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Trump Condemns Harassment, Hate Crimes; SNL's David Chappelle's Message to Trump; Surge in Interest to Change U.S. Electoral College Voting System; Haitian-American, Son Feud over Election. Aired 2:30-3p ET

Aired November 14, 2016 - 14:30   ET

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[14:30:22] LESLEY STAHL, CO-HOST, 60 MINUTES: Do you want to say anything to those people?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: I would say don't do it, because that's terrible. I'm going to bring this country together.

STAHL: They're harassing Latinos, Muslims.

TRUMP: I am so saddened to hear that. And I say, stop it, if it -- if it helps. I will say this, and I'll say it right to the camera, stop it.

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Donald Trump condemning any harassment or alleged hate crimes being committed across the country in the wake of his White House victory. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, tells CNN there have been more than 300 incidents of hateful harassment since Trump won.

My next guest knows this all too well. She is Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington.

Thank you for taking the time.

MARIANN EDGAR BUDDE, BISHOP, EPISCOPLE DIOCESE OF WASHINGTON: I'm happy to be here.

BALDWIN: We wanted to have you on because of this, these pictures. This is what some vandals wrote on this church in your diocese. This is a heavily Latino suburb. What's scrawled here is "Trump nation whites only" written on a wall and a sign advertising Spanish-language services. When you heard about this, how did you feel?

EDGAR BUDDE: I was heart-sick. I got the word early in t morning from the priest who is the leader there, and I changed my plans and knew it was really important for me to be present with that congregation and also to get as many of the people across our diocese to stand in solidarity and love and support for them.

BALDWIN: Talk to me about that solidarity. You presided over the service yesterday. What was your message?

EDGAR BUDDE: I simply wanted the people to know that we as church, as family, would stand by them and to counter such messages that were so hateful and so hurtful with our support and our love. And that we would respond in love and we would respond with a message of love. But we also were very clear that we needed all -- we needed those who supported the president-elect and the president-elect himself to know that there were elements in our community that were using his name now as violence against our people. And we need that -- we need to call upon that to stop.

BALDWIN: You call upon that to stop. Everyone in this country, even Mr. Trump himself called upon them to stop in that "60 minutes" interview, but you also had a lot of church-going folk Sunday packing those pews trying to celebrate or make sense of what happened last week. I know you did not vote for him. You're a prayerful woman. What would your prayer be for President-elect Trump?

EDGAR BUDDE: My prayer for President-elect Trump is that he - that he listen deeply to the cries of our people and he take a big step back from the speeches and the words that were so divisive and that, frankly, gave hateful elements in our society to act out against people of color, immigrants, all those who feel vulnerable now because of the emboldened hatred that has been unleashed after the election. So, I would ask him -- and as I pray for him, and I do daily -- that he help us step away from that and create a country where all people, all races, all religions, and, yes, people from all parts of the world, would feel welcome and safe in the country we call our home.

BALDWIN: Bishop Budde, thank you for your words.

EDGAR BUDDE: Thank you.

[14:34:21] BALDWIN: Thank you.

For the first time in his impressive comedic career, David Chappelle hosted "Saturday Night Live." He walked out onto the stage for the first time after an 11-year absence. But he made his presence felt four days after contentious presidential election with a monologue that didn't just make people laugh, it made them think.

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DAVID CHAPPELLE, COMEDIAN: You know, before I go, I do want to say one thing and this is not a joke, but I think it's important that I say this, because they're marching up the street right now as I speak.

A few weeks ago, I went to the White House for a party. It was the first time I had been there in many years, and it was very exciting. And BET had sponsored the party so everyone there was black.

(LAUGHTER) And it was beautiful. I walked through the gates. I'm from Washington so I saw the bus stop, or the corner where the bus stop used to be, where I used to catch the bus to school and dream about nights like tonight. It was really, really beautiful night.

At the end of the night, everyone went into the West Wing of the White House and there was a huge party. And everybody in there was black except for Bradley Cooper, for some reason.

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And on the walls, were pictures of all the presidents of the past. Now, I'm not sure if this is true, but to my knowledge, the first black person that was officially invited to the White House was Frederick Douglas. They stopped him at the gate. Abraham Lincoln had to walk out himself and escort Frederick Douglas into the White House.

It didn't happen again as far as I know until Roosevelt was president. When Roosevelt was president, he had a black guy over and got so much flak from the media that he literally said I will never have a nigger in this house again.

I thought about that and I looked at that room and I saw all those black faces, and Bradley. And I saw --

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And I saw how happy everybody was. These people who had been historically disenfranchised. And it made me feel hopeful and it made me feel proud to be an American and it made me very happy about the prospects of our country.

So, in that spirit, I'm wishing Donald Trump luck. And I'm going to give him a chance. And we the historically disenfranchised, demand that he give us one, too.

Thank you very much.

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BALDWIN: Let's discuss. Jamilah Limieux, vice president of news and men's programming at Interactive One and former senior editor at "Ebony" magazine; Michael Skolnik, CEO of SOZE; and Joseph Borelli, New York City councilman, Republican commentator and a Trump supporter.

So great having you all on.

What a moment, what a monologue. I want to go round-robin and get everyone's reaction.

Jamilah, beginning with you.

JAMILAH LIMIEUX, VICE PRESIDENT OF NEWS & MEN'S PROGRAMMING, INTERACTIVE ONE: I thought it was a great monologue. I enjoyed Chappelle's performance on the show. I have to say, that last moment where he says, I am going to give Donald Trump a chance, did not sit well with me. I was disappointed to hear it. I think it's the sort of, I don't know if "cowardice" is the word but that willing to be tolerant and accepting that defines the left is both a gift and a curse. This is someone who ran a campaign on hatred and bigotry, who has since he has been elected chosen some of the most dangerous people possible to staff his White House with. And so, the idea that we should be tolerant to him, as if our political differences make him a -- you know, somebody who's been disenfranchised or discriminated against is we can compare Donald Trump to Muslims, to women who are afraid to walk around wearing their hijabs, people afraid to go to the bathroom, afraid to go to their churches because they show up and see anti-Latino scrawled on a sacred space. Listen to each other, give each other a chance, to try to get along --

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BALDWIN: You wish he hadn't done that?

LIMIEUX: I wish he hadn't done that.

BALDWIN: Joe Borelli?

JOSEPH BORELLI, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I have a different opinion. I think David Chappelle is a great comedian, very funny. But he has always had this ability to walk that fine line between the offensive and the appropriate in dealing with certain racial stereotypes of our country. He has lampooned black people and white people and allowed us to view ourselves through a mirror through comedy. He's right in people should give Donald Trump a chance and he's right in Donald Trump should give the African-American community an open ear. I think Trump has tried to include African-Americans, people of different colors, creeds, ethnicities and I think we'll see that as President Trump takes office.

BALDWIN: I'll come back to both of you.

But I want to give Mike some love in Washington.

What did you make of it, as Jamilah pointed out, give him a chance but he needs to give us a chance, too?

MICHAEL SKOLNIK, CEO, SOZE: Well, I disagree with that, but let's just say for argument's sake, let's give him a chance. In 24 hours, less than 24 hours after Dave Chappelle made that comment, this president-elect appoints a white supremacist, anti-Semite to work down the hall from him. There's your chance, America. You gave him 12 hours and he appoints an anti-Semitic, anti-women, racist, white supremacist as a senior adviser.

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SKOLNIK: How much chance are you going to give him now?

BALDWIN: You're talking about Steve Bannon. You sort of agree with Michael, Jamilah. He's president-elect. I

understand, you know, there have been cries even within the Republican establishment over the choice of Steve Bannon. What then? How do we move forward if we -- without the man even being inaugurated is already being eviscerated?

[14:40:34] LIMIEUX: I don't think we have any choice but to eviscerate him at this point. That's unfortunate. Ion to be in as a member of the media, as a voting person. I think organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ACLI and the NAACP, et cetera, et cetera, media organizations like my own, people doing work like Michael is now, we have to hold this administration accountable now and when he's officially installed. I think we have to be honest about some of the things that are troubling about him beyond just his hateful language. This is someone we know wasn't quite prepared for the scope of the work. So, now President Obama is expected to spend more time helping him and his team transition into White House life. This is the same person who was forced to present his papers. He had to present his birth certificate as a sitting president because this person career from his unhinged, bizarre Birther movement. As if this country would elect a black man that could have been disqualified at the gate for not being born America. This guy now needs President Obama's help because he can't quite do the job yet. He didn't know how hard it was going to be. He doesn't want to live in the White House every day. He wants to go to Trump Tower. We have to be honest about those things.

Do I want him to do terrible things as he's promised he will do? No. Is it possible he can exceed our expectations and be a better president to all than maybe we thought? Sure. Should we prepare for that? No. And so, I hope that the Dave Chappelles of the world, the people that have as huge a platform as he does instead say, we can find the comedy of these moments, we can find a way to connect people of differing backgrounds and opinions but don't fall short of holding him accountable for the things that he said. And has done. 12 hours later.

BALDWIN: How do you respond?

BORELLI: Look, you know, there are -- there are three people originally who really had the right tone after Donald Trump won. It was Donald Trump and his victory speech, his Hillary Clinton in her concession speech the next day, and it was President Obama. Now today, I learn we could also add Bernie Sanders, who is saying, we should stop these protests and come together. Donald Trump now in his first interview, not his second, not his third, his 20th. His first interview with anybody, "60 Minutes" said I want to be a president for all people.

I'm sorry, I really think you should give him a chance. Take the guidance of people from President, Obama who said he's willing on to work with the transition team.

Look, I have hope for the new president. I'm sure you're going to stick to criticizing him when it's appropriate. That's part of the American democracy. But give a chance to the guy to be the president we all deserve.

SKOLNIK: Can I just --

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BALDWIN: Go ahead, Michael. Go ahead, yeah.

SKOLNIK: I would just say, I think President-elect Trump has to do a very important thing. He lost the popular vote. 52percent of Americans who voted, voted against his agenda. He needs to look at American people and say, I will create a unity cabinet. I'll create a cabinet of Democrats and Republicans. I will listen to the people on who have spoken. I do not have a mandate. This country is divided. I'll create a cabinet that's anti-hate and anti-corruption. We've already seen the folks advising him are all lobbyists. He said on "60 Minutes, I don't know who else to hire because they're the only ones that know D.C. The president-elect has to look at the American people. If he wants our trust and he wants us to give him a chance, he cannot appoint people who will be hateful and appoint people who will corrupt Washington as he said he would get rid of them.

[14:44:06] BALDWIN: Michael, Jamilah and Joe, thank you so much. I appreciate it. We should be having these conversations on live national television.

Up next, we'll talk live with the father who voted for Trump, who came here from Haiti seeking the American dream, legally, and did so, and his son, who voted for Hillary Clinton. The last time we talked to them it was emotional. We're anxious to see where this father and son are now.

All of this as we keep our eye on the White House. President Obama will appear there in Washington to take questions from the press for the first time since this historic presidential election. We will go there live the moment the president comes to that podium.

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BALDWIN: Not sure if this will make Hillary Clinton supporters feel better or worse, but the Democratic nominee is now winning the popular vote by the largest margin ever for a losing presidential candidate. CNN's latest count shows Hillary Clinton has almost 668,000 votes more than Donald Trump, even though he won the most electoral votes and, thus, won the presidency. That's simple, if somewhat confusing fact, is surging the interest of getting rid or changing the election system up. Might be surprised to learn who is on board with this whole idea, the president-elect himself.

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STAHL: So, do you still think it's rigged?

TRUMP: I think the Electoral College -- look, I won with the Electoral College.

STAHL: Exactly. But do you think it's rigged? TRUMP: Yes, some of the election locations are, some of the system

is.

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STAHL: Even though you won you're saying that.

TRUMP: Well, I mean, I'm not going -- I'm not going to change my mind just because I won. But I would rather see it where you went with simple votes. You get 100 million votes and somebody else gets 90 million votes and you win. There's a reason for doing this because it brings all the states into play, the Electoral College, and there's something very good about that. But this is a different system. I respect it. I do respect the system.

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BALDWIN: Saul Anuzis is with me, a member of the Republican National Committee as well as reform group, national popular vote. He's now in Orlando attending the Republican Governors Association meeting.

Saul, welcome.

[14:50:05] SAUL ANUZIS, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBER: Good afternoon.

BALDWIN: So, why do you think this country should go with -- you the Electoral College but reform it. Tell me why.

ANUZIS: That's right. I think President-elect Trump summarized it very well. For all practical purposes, today we elect the president of the battleground states of America instead of the president of the United States of America. The goal of the national popular vote compact, which is basically a state-based system to change how we allocate delegates to the Electoral College would make sure that every voter in every state in every election would have a voice. So, when you're running for president of the United States, we think it makes sense, and I think President-elect Trump and many others believe, that it would make sense we would come pain in all 50 states and every vote throughout this country would count.

BALDWIN: What is the likelihood? I mean, are pigs going to fly before we ever see something like this happen or do you feel like this there is a potential full steam ahead on this?

ANUZIS: Oh, absolutely. I think there's a tremendous amount of opportunity to make this happen and make this happen potentially by 20. As of today, we have 11 states that have passed the compact that have 165 electoral votes. We need enough states to have 270 or more electoral votes for the compact to actually take place. What happened then is those states agreed to cast their ballots en masse as a group for whichever candidate gets the most votes in all 50 states plus the District of Columbia. For all practical purposes, that creates a national popular vote for president where every voter in every state, all 50 states, Republican or Democrat, would count, not just those in the compact. What's important here is it also preserves the Electoral College,

preserves the insurance policy, so to speak, for Electoral College to play a role. It makes sure that the elections are state-based run, not a federal system. And it does not require a constitutional amendment because we're not getting rid of the Electoral College, which is a very important factor for us.

BALDWIN: But, you know, if you have Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote, and this will be just, historically speaking, the sixth time in the last seven presidential elections that the Democrats have won the popular vote. You, sir, as a Republican, are you worried that turning the election into a popular vote will make it harder to elect Republican presidents?

ANUZIS: Not at all. Look, if this was truly a national popular vote, if we would have campaigned in all 50 states, I think President-elect Trump would have won overwhelmingly.

BALDWIN: You do?

ANUZIS: You have to remember, we spent about 94percent of our resources in only 12 states. Both parties, Republican, the Democrat, put all their money and resources into the battleground states. There was no effort, as Trump -- you know, Mr. Trump had talked about, campaigning in New York. He thought he could win New York. He thought he could compete in New Jersey. There were other states that if it was a true national popular election, that they would have been running it. But what we do today we concentrate all of our efforts in those swing states because we know about 40 states, four out of five Americans live in decidedly Republican or decidedly Democratic state. So, it makes no sense under the current rules for either side or either candidate to go and campaign in those states.

BALDWIN: We'll see if it changes in four years. We'll follow your fight to reform.

Saul Anuzis, thank you for your time on that possibility.

ANUZIS: Great to be with you.

BALDWIN: Great to have you on.

Meantime, this election, it has taken an emotional toll on America. Today, some are afraid of what Donald Trump may do, others are responding to the president-elect's campaign rhetoric. They're angry.

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BALDWIN: Five straight days of protests from coast to coast. More are scheduled today. On the flipside, a lot of Trump supporters could not be happier. Their feelings are out in the opening. They have been heard. They're hopeful Trump's policies will help them and help their families. This division is palpable in this country, it's raw, splitting some families.

Back with me, Sian-Pierre Regis, the founder and editor-in-chief of "Swagger New York," and his dad, Jean-Robert Regis," a Haitian immigrant who came to the U.S. legally in the '70s, worked tooth and nail, followed that American dream, and now he voted for Donald Trump and his guy won.

So, to the Regises, welcome back to both of you.

SIAN-PIERRE REGIS, FOUNDER & EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, SWAGGER NEW YORK: Thank you.

JEAN-ROBERT REGIS, FATHER OF SIAN-PIERRE & HAITIAN IMMIGRANT: Thank you for having me.

BALDWIN: Sian-Pierre, my friend, I know as a Hillary supporter you have been racked over her loss. In terms of the fact that you and your dad are like this politically, tell me about that first conversation with your dad.

SIAN-PIERRE REGIS: I showed up and I said, you know, congratulations, dad. You won. And I know how much my dad really wanted Trump to win but I also said, dad, I want you to tell me every single fear that you have. Let me know what made you vote for this man. I'm going to let you know what my fears are. And because, to me, if I could say, dad, I'm really fearful that, you know, Muslims aren't being treated right in this country, I have friends who are Muslims, essentially your intent wasn't to vote against them, but you did. I need to tell you what those fears are so you can come to the table and say, I don't want you to be fearful anymore. We had this long conversation that I got to understand again even more so my dad's experience and how that has educated his vote. At the same time, I said, dad, I don't want you to be fearful. I don't want you to make me live in a world where I and my friends are fearful.

BALDWIN: Jean-Robert, how did you respond to your son? JEAN-ROBERT REGIS: What I told him, I said, look, you may not

understand the reason why I voted for Trump. Again, I understand everybody is entitled to their own opinion and I respect my children's opinions. I have five of them. And they all are Hillary supporters. All of them? All of them are Hillary supporters. But I decided to support Trump. It's just for Trump policies. He's thinking of bringing jobs back to the country. He's thinking about securing our country. He's thinking about, you know, helping the poor people of this country. And, of course, if you work hard, you're going to be rewarded. And nothing is given free to you when you're sitting, doing nothing. That's only the reason why I voted for Trump.

BALDWIN: You know that personally. That is your truth and your story, and you raised five amazing Hillary Clinton-supporting children.

And it's interesting, though, just turning to you, because I remember the piece when you were on last time because you talked to other young people in this country. I look at your dad and you have the so-called east coast and left coast elites, liberal elites, who think that the folks in the middle of the country are unintelligent, uneducated, and those are the racist, you know, Trump supporters. And you look at your dad.

SIAN-PIERRE REGIS: Right.

BALDWIN: Not true. Not true.

SIAN-PIERRE REGIS: Right. Through this whole process, through this whole election process, what I realized is I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth but I was born with a spoon. That's something my dad did not have, right? So, he has a working-class mentality, though he has pushed way beyond the means he should have as a Haitian immigrant. He has allowed me to be privileged and to think about my neighbor and my community. He's not there yet. He's not there yet. And he probably will never be there. I'm so lucky to see that blind spot and know I have been given the opportunity to care about gay folks, you know, minorities, women. I'm so lucky to be at that point. It saddens me to see across social media when people are like, if you voted for Trump or your family voted for Trump, r don't talk to me because that's an experience thing for people and how lucky we are to see the way.

One last thing, Brooke, my sociology professor texted me and said, I understand you're sad but know we may have lost the battle but we're going to win the war and how far we've come since my dad has come here that I can be on this television station with my dad, a Haitian immigrant, two black men.

BALDWIN: How about that?

SIAN-PIERRE REGIS: How far we've come.

BALDWIN: Dad, Jean-Robert, I love that note you're ending on. I want to hear from you, finally, on your message to your children and the young people in this country just from lessons you've learned. I remember you saying your son was a little young, he hadn't quite learned the last time we were on TV.

JEAN-ROBERT REGIS: What I can tell my son, I can look forward. We are not Democrat or we are not Republican. We are American. We all are here for a purpose. And we all would like to see the country move forward. We don't want the country to go backward anymore. From now on, we're going to have to give Donald Trump a chance, give him four years and see what he's going to do. If he screws up, ok, we can vote him out. But if he -- if he does what he promised to do, then we'll give another four years.

BALDWIN: Jean-Robert and Sian-Pierre, thank you for coming back. I know this is so personal for you.

SIAN-PIERRE REGIS: Thank you.

BALDWIN: And it is personal for a lot of people in this country.

Thank you so much.

I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you for being with me.

Special coverage of President Obama's first news conference since Donald Trump's election begins right now.

Jake Tapper takes it from here.

[14:59:67] JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to this special hour of CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jake Tapper, in Washington, D.C.

The transition of power is well under way. But if you thought the breakneck speed of the presidential campaign might recede a bit, you might get some days off in this 71 days until the inauguration --