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Aired August 20, 2016 - 12:00   ET

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[12:00:03] MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN GUEST ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Thanks for joining me. I'm Martin Savidge in for Fredricka Whitfield.

Donald Trump's minority outreach, any moment now the Republican candidate and the RNC will meet with the National Hispanic Advisory Council for Trump. The meeting accounts for just one of his recent moves to reach out to minority communities.

Last night, he had a somewhat unconventional approach to reach out to black voters in Dimondale, Michigan. Listen.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I say it again, what do you have to lose? Look, what do you have to lose? You're living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs. Fifty eight percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?

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SAVIDGE: CNN's Chris Frates has been following this story for us from Washington. Chris, what do you think is behind this new Trump campaign strategy?

CHRIS FRATES, CNN INVESTIGATIONS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Martin, look, he's trying to do a couple of things. He's trying to expand his appeal to minority voters, but he's also trying to show some swing state voters, some white swing state voters that, you know, he's not bigoted. He's not racist.

Yesterday, he took his message at Hillary Clinton taking the black voters of this country for granted. He took that message to a mostly white crowd in a predominantly white suburb, which drew some criticism.

But he also made this argument if he were to run for reelection at the end of his first term, he would win 95 percent of the black vote. Look that's a really tall order.

Particularly considering President Obama, the nation's first black president only won 93 percent of the black vote in his reelection. And it's particularly tough considering where Donald Trump starts from.

Take a look at this recent NBC/"Wall Street Journal" poll. It shows that Trump support among African-Americans is at just 1 percent. Now, Clinton meanwhile, she's supported by 91 percent of the black community, according to this poll.

And you know, Trump's question of what the hell do blacks have to lose by voting for him, well, the Clinton campaign swiftly answered that question. They said in a statement, that Donald Trump asked the African-American community what it has to lose by voting for him.

The answer is everything, from a man who questions the citizenship of the first African-American president, courts white supremacists and has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color.

Donald Trump painting the entire community as living in poverty with no jobs continues to show he is completely out of touch with the African-American community.

So Martin, the Clinton campaign not mincing any words there and really hitting back hard. We'll see if Donald Trump's charm offensive essentially with minority communities helps bring some of those poll numbers up -- Martin.

SAVIDGE: Right. Chris Frates, thanks very much. We will see if that charm offensive as you put works.

Let's talk more about Trump's minority outreach with our political panel, Mustafa Tameez is a Democratic political consultant and a Hillary Clinton supporter, and Pete Hoekstra is a Donald Trump surrogate and a former Republican congressman from Michigan. Thank you both for joining us this morning.

Let me start with you, Trump's outreach to the minority community, summing it up, what the hell do you have to lose, is that going to work as a message? It can be actually effective as a slogan, but will it really work?

MUSTAFA TAMEEZ, DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL CONSULTANT: Well, look, Trump is good great at coming up with slogans because he's more of a Howard Stern like candidate than he is more of Ronald Reagan. He's entire appeal so far has been trust me, I know what I'm doing and trust me, I'll get 95 percent of the African-American vote only after I've been elected.

Well, the reality is the Republicans did an autopsy after the 2008 election and told them they had to make some gains with Latino voters and African-American voters and rather than trying to make progress he's taken it dramatically to the other direction.

SAVIDGE: Pete, let me ask you. We've already gone over these polls that suggests that Donald Trump is not doing well, especially with African-American voters. So I'm wondering just from a strategic point of view, should Donald Trump, when trying to, of course, win an election, go often this kind of tangent or should he be focused more on the voters who are truly likely to vote for him?

PETE HOEKSTRA, DONALD TRUMP SURROGATE: I don't think this is a tangent at all. All Americans want the black community, the Hispanic community and other minority communities to be successful. When he comes to Michigan, he's talking to the people of West Michigan, which I represented and telling them not only do I want West Michigan to thrive and be successful but I want Detroit, I want Flint to be successful.

Because when we as a state want to be successful, we need the black community. We need Detroit. We need Flint. We need those communities to be successful.

[12:05:01]And so, you know, it's a very effective message in a blue state like Michigan. We need to address the black on black crime in our big cities. We need to have economic revitalization in these cities. We need to rebuild our education system.

These cities have been under Democratic control for 40 years. The schools are failing. The economy is failing. Violence is increasing and I'm glad that we've got a presidential candidate that is going out and asking for those votes.

Saying we're going to focus on this, we're going to address these issues and we believe we can be successful. Jack Kemp, you know, back in the '70s --

SAVIDGE: If that's a strong message and it is a strong message, why would he not go into an African-American community and make it as opposed to where he was?

HOEKSTRA: Well, you've got to remember back during the primaries he went into Chicago and made the pitch and got criticized for going in there. But I fully expect that Donald Trump and Mike Pence and other Republicans need to go and are going to go into those inner city communities and have a direct conversation with those communities and bring our pitch.

They are open to it and what we need to do as Republicans -- and this is really the first time where we have a leader of the party who is going to be proposing an agenda and asking for their vote. It's very much in the tone and in the tenor of Jack Kemp.

SAVIDGE: OK, hold on one second. I'm going to come back to you in a minute, but first, let me play some sound again from Donald Trump talking about African-American support and talking about hyperbole. Let's listen to it first.

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TRUMP: And at the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will get 95 percent of the African-American vote. I promise you because I will produce in the inner cities and I will produce for the African- Americans. And the Democrats, and the Democrats will not produce and all they've done is taken advantage of your vote.

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SAVIDGE: Mustafa, you know, this is coming from a man who currently I believe according to NBC is getting about 1 percent of the African- American vote. That kind of overstatement, do you think that will work?

TAMEEZ: It's not going to work and look at -- just listen to his words. He said I will promise you and that tells you that Donald Trump's promises are completely meaningless because he likes to go over the top rhetoric but has not produced anything.

And when we're talking about in Michigan, in Flint, Michigan, there was a Republican governor that created the water crisis and it was a Democratic administration that bailed out the auto industry.

So Democrats have a history of lifting people up while Donald Trump and Republicans have a history of trying to, you know, disenfranchise voters and get less people to the election rather than more.

SAVIDGE: Peter, I want to give you the last say here. I'm not saying that the message that Donald Trump has isn't perhaps potentially effective. It is his delivery system of this overstatement, 95 percent of African-Americans by the next election will be voting for me. That seems to lose something. Do you think it's the way he says it, perhaps, that is the problem?

HOEKSTRA: I don't think it's a problem at all. It's very much aspirational. We want a leader with vision. He says we are going to go into those communities that have struggled for years that their future looks very bleak.

And when we deliver a package of programs and a package of solutions to that community and they start seeing improvement in their communities, they will overwhelmingly respond to the solutions that we are proposing and the results of -- it's a change election. And you know, again, we've got a leader --

SAVIDGE: I get it. Trump is the wrong messenger. Leave it there. We've only got so much time. I understand what you're saying.

HOEKSTRA: Yes, thank you.

SAVIDGE: Thank you for summarizing it for us. Mustafa Tameez, thank you as well. Pete Hoekstra, we appreciate the conversation. Thanks.

Coming up at 2:00 Eastern Time, we'll get Dr. Ben Carson's reaction to Trump's comments last night on whether or not they will work in trying to appeal to minority voters. Again, he's going to join us at 2:00 right here on CNN Eastern Time, of course.

Up next, new Zika concerns, the CDC warning pregnant women and their partners to stay away from one of America's top summer destinations. More on that in a moment.

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SAVIDGE: Here the Zika is growing in Florida as the CDC advises pregnant women to stay away from Miami Beach. This advisory comes after new cases of the virus were traced to a 1.5 mile stretch of South Beach.

CNN senior medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen, joins us now from Miami Beach. Elizabeth, how concerned are pregnant women in the area?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Martin, I've been talking to obstetricians here and they say that these women are concerned. I should tell you I'm on South Beach, which explains some of the music that you hear. It's lovely.

And this is in one of the two Zika zones so to speak. That means that Zika is spreading here. People are getting it here. They're not having to travel outside of the United States.

And the obstetricians tell me that women are worried, and then many of them are avoiding going outside as much as possible. They say even a few of their patients have decided to barricade themselves inside their houses for the duration of their pregnancy. Here's what Governor Rick Scott had to say yesterday.

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SCOTT: We have a new zone in Miami Beach that is less than 1.5 square miles. We are reducing the area of Wynwood because for education and mosquito abatement efforts. We are requesting additional support from the CDC. We've already begun increasing spraying. We are doing everything we can to help pregnant women all across our state to be a safe state and we're going to keep it that way.

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COHEN: Obstetricians tell me that a few patients, not many but a few have actually decided to leave the area and go live somewhere else for the rest of their pregnancy -- Martin.

SAVIDGE: Elizabeth, I know that we have sort of two identified Zika zones right now. But to believe that if you're outside you're completely safe, that would be the wrong attitude, I presume?

COHEN: Well, you know, it seems that way, Martin, from what the Centers for Disease Control have said. They said these two Zika zones, don't come here if you're pregnant or if you're the sexual partner of someone who is pregnant because you wouldn't want to give her Zika.

But even for the greater Miami-Dade County area and that, of course, is a huge area, the CDC has said look, if you're worried, you should consider not coming here at all. To say hey, if you're pregnant you should consider not coming to Miami-Dade County, that says a lot.

You don't hear that very often. You don't usually hear health officials saying hey, you know, you should consider not coming to an entire metropolitan area.

[12:15:03]SAVIDGE: Right. And of course, the financial impact would be huge on top of both the medical concern. Elizabeth Cohen, thank you very much for that.

Up next, Donald Trump reaches out for help. He held a round table meeting at his home this week focused on fighting terrorism. We'll talk to two men who were in the room about what was said and what's being planned.

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SAVIDGE: There was a lot going on this week particularly with the Trump campaign. So this next story may have been a little lost in the shuffle. Let's talk about it.

Donald Trump met with 16 foreign policy experts at his home in New York. The focus, ways to combat radical Islam, foreign policy experts, retired military leaders, and members of Congress were all there.

We've got two of the men who were in that room joining us now. James Carafano is a foreign policy expert from the Heritage Foundation and a 25-year Army veteran, and Mark Krikorian was also there. He serves as the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies.

Mark, let me start with you. Going in, what were you anticipating? What was the invitation and what did you expect to hear?

MARK KRIKORIAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR IMMIGRATION STUDIES: Well, it was an invitation, as I understood it, of various people to kind of hash over ideas on how to deal with the issue of fighting radical Islam.

[12:20:00]Now my piece of it is the immigration aspect, the other parts of it are outside of my area. But you know, as I understood it was sort of an opportunity to kind of air ideas, kind of make your pitch for what approaches, what strategies are important and necessary, how the campaign should talk about it. I think it was a useful meeting from that perspective.

SAVIDGE: And James, was that sort of your experience there? You went in with this idea that everybody would be contributing thoughts and that Donald Trump would listen? Was that the way it went?

JAMES CARAFANO, NATIONAL DEFENSE EXPERT: That's the second one of those I've been to. What's really interesting in both of them, Mark and I are in this category, this wasn't just campaign advisers. There are a number in the room who were not affiliated with the campaign at all.

So Mark and I are both not affiliated with the campaign. We're just there to do a candidate briefing. This was chaired by Mayor Giuliani. I thought it was a very substantive group.

They had an agenda and Giuliani walked through the agenda and there would be a discussion and it was, you know, the dynamics were interesting, the same dynamics that I saw in the last meeting.

Trump would sit there and listen to the discussion, he was really engaged in the discussion. He would let everybody have their say and then he said, this is what I think you guys just said and he kind of put in trump --

SAVIDGE: I want to get into the substance of it. Let's do that. Mark, as you mentioned, you study immigration. What do you think of Trump's plan to suspend immigration from countries with a terror issue or calling perhaps for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S., your thoughts on that then, was that your advice? Do you concur?

KIRKORIAN: The Muslim thing is something that I think has gotten a lot more knew nuance. What he's talked about most recently in his speech on Monday was that there should be among other things a kind of values test for people coming to live among us as immigrants from aboard.

SAVIDGE: You're the expert. Do you concur with that?

KIRKORIAN: Yes, absolutely. It's so obvious, why are we even talking about it. Of course, this isn't a political test. This isn't are you a Democrat or do you like higher taxes or whatever. This is do you share the basic values that are underlie our democratic society? Freedom of speech, freedom of religion --

SAVIDGE: Is this a questionnaire or how is this --

KIRKORIAN: Those are details to work out, but the way it works out in similar things already now for people applying for citizenship and even for some for immigration, is you basically sign something attesting that you are not right now, you are not a polygamist, a member of the Communist party or the Nazi party, that sort of thing.

So it seems to me that needs to be simply expanded and moved upstream not just for people who want to become citizens but even for people who want to immigrate and live in our society because we don't want people moving here to live in our communities who think it's OK to behead homosexuals and to kill a (inaudible). I don't want people like that moving here period.

SAVIDGE: I understand. Let me go to James too because I want to get his side of things. We talk about a specific plan of combatting terror. What was talked of there?

CARAFANO: Right. So what I feel most comfortable talking about the things that I brought up and how they were received. One of the things I pointed out, a lot of discussion on ISIS and a lot of discussion on ISIS from both candidates on the campaign trail.

But what I was really emphasizing and people seemed to understand it is that al Qaeda is actually stronger and more pronounced today than they were on September 11, 2001. So you have the al Qaeda global footprint, which is just as big a part of the problem as ISIS and that has to be part of your global --

SAVIDGE: But how do you deal with it? What was the action plan?

CARAFANO: Well, I mean, so the way you deal with both al Qaeda and ISIS, first of all, there's the narrative of ISIS which is we have established a historic caliphate. We are leading the global Islamic insurgency and taking down their narrative, taking away their territorial control and Iraq is really, really important.

But beyond that, I think this is a key point, is when you look at both ISIS's global footprint and al Qaeda's footprint, it looks different in different parts of the world and you need counterterrorism strategies appropriate to those areas and regions you're combatting.

And what was really good to get on the table, you talk a lot about border security. We don't talk enough about the transnational criminal cartels. One of the principle reasons our border is unsecure is because of this vast criminal enterprises which is destabilizing.

And you can have a good border strategy that does include combatting the major criminal carters that are spanning not just in Latin America into the United States and Canada --

SAVIDGE: Let me bring Mark back in because that's more into his expertise. Mark, I'm wondering did anybody at this meeting challenge Donald Trump or come up with an idea that seemed directly opposed to his thinking?

KRIKORIAN: No, I don't think so and that really wasn't the point. The point was not to interrogate him or challenge him. We were basically exchanging ideas for him and for the other people involved in the campaign.

[12:25:06]As Jim suggested, neither he nor I and among bunch of other people were actually part of the campaign. To basically give them ideas on how to think about these issues.

One of the things I stressed and this is important sort of plays off something Jim said is that when you talk about border security, it's not just the border. And I was trying to stress that because immigration security starts abroad at the visa office because most new illegal aliens are people who come with visas.

And it's also then at the border that's the second level and it has to be enforcement of immigration laws inside the country across the board. We don't know which illegal alien employee is a dishwasher and which one is a terrorist.

So you need to have the three levels of security and it's not just about fencing at the border even though fencing is important, but it's only one piece of the bigger immigration security picture.

SAVIDGE: And I think many would agree on that. Mark, let me ask you this. Was there more talk of military action, whether it be in Syria, Iraq or other places where al Qaeda and ISIS are thought to be active or growing, Libya be another example? More boots on the ground?

KRIKORIAN: This isn't my area. But talk was more general about what is the nature of the war we are engaged in against radical Islam and that was the conceptual discussion of how to frame the issue, how to talk about it with regard to the public as opposed to the kind of specifics about do we or do we not have airstrikes in Libya or something like that. It wasn't that level --

SAVIDGE: James, let me turn to you and ask that. What do you think on that? Is there going to be a more active military under a Trump administration?

CARAFANO: So the discussion on the military, which is actually something that hasn't gotten a lot of talk, is -- and again I've heard him say this several times. He's very interested in rebuilding our military capability.

And that regardless if you want to go on offense or defense or if you want to deter somebody, if you don't have a sufficient military to start with, then you can't actually protect the citizens.

And so one of the things that we do every year, index of the military strain where we grade in an objective way the level of U.S. military power each year.

And we argued that military is actually not in very good shape and it does need significant rebuilding and that is something I've heard Mr. Trump commit to, not just in this meeting but in other meetings as well.

SAVIDGE: Did he talk about more boots on the ground say in Syria or Iraq or other countries?

CARAFANO: There wasn't a lot of discussion about specific military operations because again, if you look at the global laydown of ISIS and the global laydown of ISIS and al Qaeda, there isn't a one size fits all strategy for every single country --

SAVIDGE: I agree.

CARAFANO: And in very few countries is there a notion. Well the answer is the United States goes in with brigades and invades them.

SAVIDGE: Right. Mark, is this going to happen? Are you going to have another meeting? Is this the first and the last? You said it was the second.

KRIKORIAN: As far as I know there isn't anything scheduled but the way they left it was this was the beginning of a process and there will be further consultations like this. I'm happy to give me thoughts.

If Hillary Clinton's campaign called, I'll be happy to give them my thoughts too. This is the kind of thing I think any political campaign needs to do more of so they're not just talking to themselves.

SAVIDGE: Right, thank you. Good to hear that. Thank you very much, James Carafano and Mark Krikorian. We appreciate talking to you today. Thanks.

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[12:31:43] SAVIDGE: It's the issue that keeps dogging Hillary Clinton, her use of a private e-mail server during her time at the state department. Six weeks after the FBI declined to recommend criminal charges against Clinton, the federal judge has now issued a ruling that will once again leave her facing some tough questions about her e-mails.

CNN Senior Washington Correspondent Joe Johns has the story.

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JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Another development keeping the e-mail story a lie for Hillary Clinton but a small victory for her as well. A federal judge in Washington ruling that she must respond to questions in writing in a freedom of information lawsuit over her e-mail server, lawyers for the conservative group judicial watch had asked for permission to interview her under oath. The campaign Friday night saying it's happy with the court ruling but calling out judicial watch for it pursuit of the Clinton's since the 1990s and describing the case as just another lawsuit intended to hurt the Democratic nominee's campaign.

JOHNS: Former President Bill Clinton trying to avoid any actual or the appearance of conflicts of interest, announcing he will resign from the board of the Clinton foundation if his wife, the former secretary of state wins in November. The foundation taking an additional step saying they'll also no longer accept corporate or foreign donations.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The book "Clinton Cash" by Peter Schweizer documents how Bill and Hillary used the State Department to enrich their family and America's and at America's expense. She gets rich making you poor.

JOHNS: The foundation has come under scrutiny for its close contact with the state department while Hillary Clinton was secretary.

TRUMP: Has Hillary Clinton apologized for turning the state department into a pay-for-play operation where favors are sold to the highest bidder?

JOHNS: The Clinton campaign flatly denies any pay-to-play allegations. In fact the candidate has defended the foundation's work.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have so much that we're proud of and I will put that up against any of the innuendo and accusation coming from Donald Trump.

JOHNS: All this as new details are emerging on Mrs. Clinton's controversial e-mail server. The "New York Times" reporting that she told the FBI it was Colin Powell her predecessor at the state department who advised her to use personal e-mail. The "Times" cites an exert from Joe Conason's new book about Bill Clinton saying, that at a 2009 dinner party hosted by former secretary of state Madeleine Albright. Powell recommended Clinton use her own e-mail as he had done except for the classified communications which he had sent and received via a state department computer.

In Powell's office responding in a statement that he had no recollection of such a conversation but did write Clinton a memo regarding his use of a personal AOL account saying, "At the time there was no equivalent system within the department. He used a secure state computer on his desk to manage classified information."

JOHNS: Of course, there are a couple of big differences between Colin Powell and Hilary Clinton's e-mail. Powell entered the office in 2001 when e-mail wasn't as popular as it was in 2009. And Powell never had his own private server.

Joe Johns, CNN, Washington.

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SAVIDGE: All right, joining us now to discuss this further, Democratic Political Consultant and Clinton supporter Mustafa Tameez, and Pete Hoekstra, he is the former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and he's a Donald Trump surrogate, nice to see you both again.

[12:35:05] Mustafa let me start with you. Do you think this is ever going to be an issue that Hillary Clinton can put behind her?

TAMEEZ: No. Groups like judicial watch and others have been around for a long time and their declared purpose in many ways is just to go after Democrats by creating frivolous lawsuits, coming out with some information, twisting it and then creating a media cycle out of that. So this is something we've been seeing throughout, you know, Clinton history and Obama history that these groups are not going to go away, they're well funded and they mean to do harm to the Clintons and to the Democratic Party.

SAVIDGE: OK, e-mails sort of out of the way for now. Let's move on to the Clinton foundation. Pete, absent any hard evidence of a pay-for- play scheme as it's been referred to, is this really the kind of fight that Donald Trump wants to pick with Hillary Clinton?

HOEKSTRA: Oh, I don't think that Mr. Trump is picking this fight at all. He's pointing out some of the inconsistencies and some of the concern that all Americans should have about what went on with the Clinton foundation. You know, because there are constant revelations coming out, out of the e-mails that slowly trickle out that, you know, have not been made public before. When people actually look at the content of those e-mails, they take a look at what happened at the state department, they now take a look at what the Clinton foundation is doing saying, we're not going to take any foreign money. Bill Clinton is resigning from the board.

The question really is, why weren't those steps taken when Mrs. Clinton became secretary of state? If they're appropriate now, they were appropriate eight years ago when she became secretary of state. They're creating their own issues, they're own problems that the media is slowly starting to dig into and finding out, you know, that there may be some issues here.

SAVIDGE: And I agree that there are issues that the public is concerned with, Mustafa. And, you know, these recommendations of changes that have been talked about, especially, you know, if Hillary Clinton should become president, if they are good changes, don't you make them regardless, not based upon the outcome of an election?

TAMEEZ: Well, look. I mean Donald Trump got from it if he's elected we'll have the same problem, he'll have to put his business in some kind of a trust and I'll have to be manage by other ...

SAVIDGE: But Donald Trump wasn't secretary of state and he wasn't receiving money at that time from foreign entities.

TAMEEZ: But the work that the Clinton foundation does is incredibly important across the world. They've raised people out of poverty. In the earlier segment you were talking about terrorism and one of the things that breeds terrorism is when there is not opportunity equally ...

SAVIDGE: That's not my point. My point here is not to question the good of the foundation. My point is that they are instituting or suggesting changes, should she become president. Why not implement those changes now?

TAMEEZ: Because I think that is it, when you're the president of the United States, there's a different set of obligations than if you are even a cabinet official and we all know that. And the work that Bill Clinton did as a former president on the Clinton Foundation helped raise people out of poverty, helped on the environment, and a number of important issues that are needed for the world.

So, I don't really see the parallel in this. There is a partisan group that has done this investigation that has brought this lawsuit, not a media outlet. And as people will understand this over time, this is going to get better. Hillary Clinton, when she was in office whether she was a senator, whether she was first lady, whether she was secretary of state had high approval ratings, because she does a good job and that's what people are going to elect her the president of the United States

SAVIDGE: But they may not have been aware of this particular conflict. Pete, let me ask you this. Should the Clinton foundation perhaps disband or what is it you think should be done about the foundation?

HOEKSTRA: Well, I think what really needs to happen here is, number one, they have to be transparent about all of the funds that kept come into that organization since its inception. They said there was going to be transparency when she became secretary of state. It's obvious they there has not been total transparency.

I think moving forward, you know, if neither one of the Clintons are in public office anymore, they can go run their foundation. If Hillary Clinton is somehow elected president of the United States I think all ties should be cut between the Clintons and the foundation, it should become an independent organization with no ties to the Clintons at all and they can go forward and do or that organization can go forward and do the work that it's been attempting to do but remove any potential conflict of interest.

SAVIDGE: All right, got it. Mustafa, what about a blind trust, something like that? Would that work and quickly, please if you could.

TAMEEZ: I think it's a good idea and I think it's likely to happen. But one of the big reasons why Donald Trump has a problem with this that is he doesn't understand charity. I mean he's at Washington Post as reported repeatedly in numerous articles that he said he's given money to charity when he has not. And for someone like that ...

SAVIDGE: All right, you deflected off on to Trump. So what I wanted to find out is it a good idea for Hillary Clinton to put an end to some kind of blind trust?

[12:40:02] TAMEEZ: Yeah, look I think it is a good idea and I think it does make sense. The Clinton foundation has done great work and they will continue do great work.

SAVIDGE: OK, Mustafa Tameez, Pete Hoekstra. Thanks again.

Hoekstra: Thank you.

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[12:45:08] SAVIDGE: The international Olympic committee has set up a disciplinary commission to investigate that incident involving Ryan Lochte and three other swimmers competing in Rio. Sources are telling CNN Contributor Christine Brennan that that U.S. Swimmer Ryan Lochte will eventually be suspended after giving an inaccurate account of an alleged armed robbery. Lochte maintains that he and his teammates were held a gunpoint and was robbed at the gas station in Rio.

All right, Cue the legal guys, Avery Friedman, a Civil Rights Attorney and Law professor is in the World Champion city of Cleveland and then Richard Herman, he is a New York Criminal Defense Attorney and Law professor, he joining us from Las Vegas.

Avery, let me start with you. There are some lingering legal issues and I'm wondering, do you think that Lochte could still get into trouble legally?

AVERY FRIEDMAN, LEGAL ANALYST: Well, I think the legal issues are out there primarily because he lied to the Brazilian police. The difficulty is that he sort of portrayed himself as the innocent American gringo, you know, being picked on by Brazilian conquistadors. In fact what we have here is a young American hero Martin, who converted himself unfortunately into an ugly American type punk.

And so, the question is what do you do? Brazil is not going to extradite, even if there's a felony equivalent in Brazil, it's not worth the effort.

The bottom line is his colleague, if you recall, Jimmy Feigen settled up with the Brazilian officials, paid of about $11,000 to Brazilian charities and we're going to see something like that, as well as the Olympic officials sending Ryan to bad boy school. They're going to teach him manners, they'll suspend him for a short time and you know what, you'll see him participating in 2020.

SAVIDGE: All right, let me bring in Richard "The apology" We've read it. It may have been written by him, it may have been written by his lawyers and it may have been specifically the suit sponsors. Do you think his endorsements could be in jeopardy as a result of all of this Richard?

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Incredibly Martin, it might be. But I think everybody has lost their mind, must be Trump saying he's going to get 95 percent of black vote. People have lost their mind here.

Listen, Martin, please. What happened? The boys had a few cocktails, they went out, they went to a gas station, there were no bathrooms, they went in the back behind bushes, coming out there was a lose sign on a wall, apparently Lochte removed it.

That's it. In the United States those are low level violations or misdemeanors. Low level, what happened next? Armed security guards surrounding them falsely imprisoned them, pointed a firearm at their head. That's assault with a deadly weapon and extorted them for $400 so they could leave.

Now apparently in Brazil that's proper procedure and everybody is accepting that. And then what did they do? They extorted this guy for $10,600 so he could leave the country on a busted sign. This is outrageous.

SAVIDGE: All right Richard, thank you. That's a very dramatic retelling. Let's go into the legal aspect. Avery, he make as solid point. A man is pointing a gun at you and you are expected to hand over money. It sounds like robbery.

HERMAN: It is.

FRIEDMAN. Well, I understand. I understand the emotional argument. But the bottom line is in Brazil, you comply with the Brazil custody, you comply with Brazil a way of life. The bottom line is, no one can excuse what he did. You want to characterize it as a low level crime in America.

Look, this young man represents the United States. The fact is what he did could have been responded to responsibly. The Olympic committee party is not going to ignore after this. There's going to be a consequence or he's going to be accountable.

SAVIDGE: OK, Let me get Richard in real quick, because I got to go. Richard, do you think in any way this is going to end in the next two days?

HERMAN: Oh it's not going to end in the next two days, Martin. It's going to go on and on for a while. Did you want to heart this? It's outrageous. It should have ended a long time ago.

SAVIDGE: All right, well, I'm sure we'll talk further about it. Let me just stop you both there. We'll pick up at a later time. Avery Freeman, Richard Herman, great to see you both. Thanks.

HERMAN: Great to see you.

The Red Cross meanwhile says that it's the worst natural disaster in the U.S. since hurricane Sandy in 2012.

[12:49:39] Up next we're going to go live to the flood zone in Louisiana to see just how bad the devastation is and find out if the recovery efforts are underway.

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SAVIDGE: President Obama has been on vacation as much of Southern Louisiana has been dealing with massive flooding. And after much criticism, the White House is announcing that he will visit the Baton Rouge area on Tuesday. The Red Cross says the flooding disaster is the worst since Superstorm Sandy 4 years ago and this morning Louisiana's lieutenant governor said even with the waters receding they're still not out of the woods.

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VOICE OF LT.GOVERNOR BILLY NUNGESSER, LOUISIANA: Well, we're trying to get supplies to the people who had gut in their homes. We've got an army of volunteers and faith-based groups that are starting to help people mark up their homes. But as you saw we still have areas that are flooded. So we'll respond into those homes trying to keep as many dry with sandbags, getting some of those people out still.

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SAVIDGE: Polo Sandoval is in the -- or perish that I, that is the South of Baton Rouge and I can see that at least it's not raining Polo, so that is a positive. But otherwise I see a lot of water.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, partly cloudy skies, Martin. That's at least adding a glimmer of hope for the people here in Southern Louisiana who I can tell you are in full recovery mode. For the lucky ones, if we even want to call them that, at least their neighborhoods are dry, they're able to go inside and begin to remove all the debris from inside their homes. For the rest, this is what they have to deal with, including this neighborhood. You can see homes are still surrounded by water and so people here are waiting, including Ms. Ellie Stevens. We met her a few moments ago. She actually lives in a home just next to the blue home that you're able to see off in the distance.

[12:55:01] She raise her family, her five children there, she has kept it together for the last five days, that is until a few moments ago when she kept -- when she came here and met with the reality that she still can't go inside to see what may do.

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SANDOVAL: Standing here, you're so close but yet you can't go yet.

ELLIE STEVENS, LOUISIANA FLOOD VICTIM: I can't go, yes.

SANDOVAL: what does that like to you?

STEVENS: I was trying really, you know, to see if I could go today to really, you know, see what the damages are. But the water is still there, you know, and might not be able to go in today as well.

SANDOVAL: Emotionally though Ellie how is it, being so close and not able to go? How is that for you?

STEVENS: Well, that's what I didn't want to do. It's going to be OK.

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SANDOVAL: And despite that, though, she continues to smile even behind that tears Martin, and we have met so many people like that. There is this incredible level of resilience here on the group as people try to rebuild, pick up the pieces grateful that at least they have one another and finally, I did heard from a national guardsman tell me earlier in the week that the need for food and water is still great, even said that it's at the same level as what he saw during hurricane Katrina, Martin.

SAVIDGE: That's ironic but in the midst of a flood, water is one of those things most deeply needed. Polo Sandoval Thank you very much.

To find out how you can help victims of the Louisiana flooding. Please go to cnn.com/impact. Louisiana Governor John Bill Edwards, he will join Jake Tapper to discuss the flooding tomorrow on "State of the Union" that interview will be at 9:00 a.m. Eastern Time right here on CNN.

And the next hour of "CNN Newsroom" begins after this short break.

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