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[01:00:25] ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR: This is CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles.

Ahead this hour, Donald Trump calls for extreme vetting of would-be immigrants but also few details about how it would work.

Plus, new evidence that many of the kidnapped Nigerian schoolgirls may still be alive. What Boko Haram says it will take to set them free.

And a dramatic finish at an event in Rio. The head first dive that helped one Olympian win gold.

Hello, and thank you for joining us. I'm Isha Sesay. NEWSROOM L.A. starts right now.

Donald Trump is looking to boost his sagging poll numbers with a sweeping plan to fight Islamic extremists. In a speech in the swing state of Ohio, the Republican presidential nominee outlined his strategy and attacked his Democratic rival.

Sara Murray has the details.

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SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump battling to take control of his own campaign message by laying out his vision to defeat ISIS.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We cannot let this evil continue.

MURRAY: Trump looking to rebound from a rocky stretch and ginning up doubts about Hillary Clinton's foreign policy chops.

TRUMP: With one episode of bad judgment after another, Hillary Clinton's policies launched ISIS on to the world stage. Things turned out really to be not so hot for our world and our country.

MURRAY: Even questioning whether she's physically fit to be commander-in-chief.

TRUMP: She also lacks the mental and physical stamina to take on ISIS and all of the many adversaries we face. MURRAY: The billionaire businessman calling on the U.S. to abandon

its attempts at nation building and saying it is time to focus on fighting ISIS on all fronts.

The GOP nominee framing it as an ideological war harkening back to the days of George W. Bush as he called on the U.S. to team up with any allies willing to help battle ISIS.

TRUMP: We cannot always choose our friends but we can never fail to recognize our enemies.

MURRAY: Trump also flushing out his controversial plan to block immigrants from countries that he claims breed terrorism, proposing a test to determine whether immigrants hold extremist views that don't mesh with American ideals.

TRUMP: I call it extreme -- extreme vetting. Our country has enough problems. We don't need more. And these are problems like we've never had before.

MURRAY: But such a screening comes with logistical hurdles and Trump offered few details on how he would implement the kind of ideological test he laid out today.

TRUMP: In addition to screening out all members of the sympathizers of terrorist groups we must also screen out any who have hostile attitudes toward our country or its principles, or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law.

Those who do not believe in our constitution or who support bigotry and hatred will not be admitted for immigration into our country. Only those who we expect to flourish in our country and to embrace a tolerant American society should be issued visas.

MURRAY (on camera): Now in delivering his foreign policy speech off a teleprompter, Donald Trump accomplished something he struggles with and that is staying on message. But there are plenty of Republicans who say he still has to do more and over the weekend the "Wall Street Journal's" editorial page says Donald Trump needs to stop blaming others for his mistakes and turn his campaign around by Labor Day or else hand the nomination over to Mike Pence.

Sara Murray, CNN, Youngstown, Ohio.

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SESAY: Well, joining me now here in L.A. is Dylan Byers. He's CNN senior reporter for media and politics.

Dylan, always good to have you with us. So, Dylan, Donald Trump's speech on Monday was really an attempt for him to say, listen, I can recover from these missteps and my misspeaks and I can be presidential, see?

DYLAN BYERS, CNN SENIOR REPORTER FOR MEDIA AND POLITICS: Right.

SESAY: I can be presidential. How did he do?

BYERS: He was almost subdued in a way.

SESAY: Yes.

BYERS: I mean, compared with all we've been seeing over the last 12, 13 months. He's really kept up the sort of primary seasoned version of Donald Trump well into the general election.

[01:05:04] He was so subdued, I had to reach out to one of his spokespeople and ask if he had a cold which he did not have. But, look, what he was trying to do is, A, show people that he can be more serious but, B, he is trying to get across a more focused foreign policy message, one that sort of seemed to harken back to the Cold War days where there was an ideological struggle. And in this case against, you know, Islamic extremism. The problem is, is that despite it being a speech about him, you know, unveiling his foreign policy --

SESAY: Being substantive.

BYERS: It wasn't.

SESAY: Yes.

BYERS: And, you know, personally, I mean, it took him -- it took him 30, 40 minutes just to get to what his actual proposals were after he stopped criticizing Obama and Hillary Clinton, and by the time he got to those proposals I'm sure they played very well among Trump's base but what does it mean? What does extreme vetting mean?

SESAY: Yes.

BYERS: What does that really mean? You know what I mean? I mean these proposals were sort of -- they sounded good to the base. But what Donald Trump needs to do at this point in the election is he needs to expand the map. And I'm not sure he was doing that with this speech.

SESAY: Yes. You know, this was about, you know, providing something substantive, staying on top of the facts, staying on message. And he was -- you know, he stayed on the teleprompter for sure but then he slips in that line about Hillary Clinton saying she lacks the mental and physical stamina on ISIS, kid of spotlighting that speculation on right-wing blogs.

BYERS: Right.

SESAY: That, you know, she's still got some health issues kind of lingering on after that concussion some years ago. Peddling conspiracy theories.

BYERS: Right. Peddling conspiracy theories. And even the more subdued Donald Trump, even the one who's not, you know, instigating chants of lock her up, lock her up, he's still peddling conspiracy theories.

SESAY: Yes.

BYERS: Neither of these candidates have released their health records. They're both older candidates. There is no evidence, despite what you might read on "Drudge Report" or other right-wing Web sites that Hillary Clinton is suffering from any sort of serious, you know, health issue that we need to be concerned about.

To me it feels like a cheap shot and even in this foreign policy speech where he is trying to sort of elevate his campaign from the bottom of the well he still has to take that little dig.

SESAY: Yes.

BYERS: And, you know, I'm not -- again, it's one of those things that plays well with the base but it doesn't -- it doesn't really seem to pick up more voters.

SESAY: No. Speaking of peddling conspiracy theories, Donald Trump has decided that the media is the reason he's faring badly in the polls. Here's what he tweeted on Sunday. Let's share it with our viewers.

"If the disgusting and corrupt media covered me honesty and didn't put false meaning into the words I say I would be beating Hillary by 20 percent," and his campaign is trying to raise money off all of this. I mean, there's so many things that one could fact-check in that statement.

BYERS: Right.

SESAY: I mean, but is it a winning strategy?

BYERS: Well -- no, it's not. And as our colleague David Axelrod once told me blaming the media is sort of the last vestige of a losing campaign. And it's something that Donald Trump has been doing for months now. But he's really ratcheted it up in the last few weeks and the last few days. You know, he's gone so far as to say the "New York Times" is going to hell, he's called CNN disgusting.

At some point you can't just keep blaming the media for all of your problems and so much of the reporting that's out there, it's not biased. It's not agenda driven. Oftentimes it's very much just parring what Donald Trump said here to what he said there or what his campaign manager did in Ukraine.

I mean, there is a wealth of information about things that Donald Trump has said, done, that contradict the image he's trying to put out to voters that come down to, you know, outright lies or misbehavior or things that one might argue even unconstitutional. And that is something -- that is where his sort of anti-media creed, his anti- media narrative. It's -- again it's just not going to play outside of that core group of support that he has and that core group of support, they might be very loud at rallies but they're not going the carry him to the White House.

SESAY: Yes. You mentioned his manager, Paul Manafort, who was the subject of a "New York Times" piece published on Sunday as you well know about his relationship with the ousted Ukrainian president, Vicktor Yanukovych. In the piece they alleged that there were millions earmarked for Manafort. He has said -- he's called the report unfounded, silly and nonsensical.

Now clearly it raises very serious questions about Manafort but it also raises questions about Trump and the campaign.

BYERS: Right.

SESAY: And how serious he is about running an effective, competitive campaign that you would keep someone who has such questions surrounding him.

BYERS: Right. Right. And furthermore, just the way that Trump has sort of treated the Kremlin and Russia generally. I mean, he seems to have -- you know, you would think that most voters who would support Donald Trump like they would be very sort of anti-Russia, and in a way, he has been so pro-Russia with everything he's done. And by having a campaign manager who if -- let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't get paid $12.7 million by a pro-Kremlin Ukrainian government, well, clearly he was earmarked for it. Clearly his name is on a ledger. Clearly he was tied into that sort of corrupt underground financial network and it just -- I don't -- it does not comport with the sort of make America great again narrative that Donald Trump is trying to sell. I mean, it's totally incongruous.

[01:10:07] SESAY: I read a really interesting point in one of the papers this evening just saying that Donald Trump continues to say the media continues to twist words, continues to speak to these anonymous sources that are maligning his campaign. But why doesn't he just spend the money on the advertising so he can take over the messaging and own his message?

BYERS: It's not his strategy. His strategy has always been to just run his own campaign, say whatever he is going to say, say something crazy that's going to drive the news cycle for 24 hours a day. There was a huge hope among not just members of the Republican establishment but among several members of his own campaign, members of his own family that he would change, that he would run a more conventional campaign. He would pay for advertising.

SESAY: Would get more advertising. Yes.

BYERS: More advertising, messaging, which would involve sort of targeted voter outreach, using data to figure out what counties, what states you need to win in order to get to the 270 that you need in order to win the nomination. He hasn't done any of that. He's still running on the primary playbook.

SESAY: We shall see how far it takes him.

BYERS: Indeed.

SESAY: Dylan Byers, always a pleasure. Thank you, my friend. BYERS: Thank you.

SESAY: All right. Well, Saba Ahmed joins us now from Portland, Oregon. She is the founder of the Republican Muslims Coalition and is a Pakistani American Muslim activist.

Saba, thank you so much for joining us. It is good to have you with us. So Donald Trump's foreign policy speech has been described as a jumble of disparate contradictory points by some. What did you think of it?

SABA AHMED, PRESIDENT, REPUBLICAN MUSLIMS COALITION: Well, I thought Donald Trump displayed his fears of Islam and Muslims. It was a good thing to see that he's going to be amplifying Muslim voices within his administration but at the same time we have very serious concerns about his vetting process and extreme vetting of people who might love America and love the Constitution. I don't know how exactly he plans on implementing it. But we have some very serious constitutional concerns about it.

SESAY: OK. So just so I'm clear. You are a supporter of Donald Trump's? Because I'm trying to read your reaction to his speech.

AHMED: Sure. We definitely do support Donald Trump and look forward to having a Republican in the White House. But at the same time we are concerned about his policies against Muslims in general and then specifically targeting radical Islam.

You cannot fight the war on terror by alienating Muslims. And we feel that blaming all Muslims is not the solution. I was glad to see he talked about a commission on radical Islam that's going to be educating America on Islam and Muslims. But I think many Muslims need to be on it to solve the problems that we are facing today.

SESAY: Considering Donald Trump has made criticism of -- stereotyping, if you will, of Muslims a central platform of the campaign to date talking about putting a temporary ban on allowing Muslims into this country, you know, raising the questions he raised about the Muslim mother during the convention saying she wasn't speaking for -- you know, inferring that it was because of Islam. Given that tone to his statement, why do you support him as a Muslim woman? How do you explain your support for him?

AHMED: Well, I'm more interested in his business background and how he is going to be turning the economy around. He's talked about creating jobs and balancing the budget and how he is going to reduce taxes and make America great again for everyone which includes Muslim- Americans. I'm not so concerned about his illegal and unconstitutional ideas targeting Muslims because I know they will be easily struck down by courts.

And so I'm more -- and he's already backed down from his Muslim ban. Today we didn't see him mention that. He talked about territories that he considers are promoting terrorism. I mean, and yes, we should have national security concerns and I think state sponsors of terrorism are already banned from sending in immigrants or visas from those countries. Congress has already enacted those laws.

And to strengthen them will only help make America safer. But at the same time we don't need to be targeting people's religion and targeting our entire faith and questioning every single person coming in whether or not they're going to love America and flourish in this country and whatever his definition of flourishing is.

SESAY: Well, Saba, you are absolutely right. He did not mention the temporary ban but he also did not disavow it in the speech on Monday. And so that is indeed true. But as you know a couple of days ago, Donald Trump repeatedly said that President Obama and Hillary Clinton were the founders of ISIS. So a statement he repeated multiple times and then said he was just being sarcastic.

However his words were picked up by the leader of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, at the weekend. The militant group where he parroted what Trump had said. Words matter. Words have consequences. I mean, doesn't that concern you?

[01:15:02] AHMED: Well, it definitely does. But at the same time we want to see strong leadership coming out of an American president. He did talk about our foreign policy failures in Iraq, Syria, Libya. I think Middle East has destabilized since 2009. We don't have the strong position that we did. And we don't need to be engaging in conflicts and nation building with every country that we have issues with.

Yes, there are dictatorships in the Middle East. But they have things running very different ways. We don't need to be instituting democracy there. We have to have our ways implemented here in our country and at the same time Donald Trump needs to be a strong president on national security, defense, and be more mindful of Islam and Muslims, not to alienate the entire Islamic world.

SESAY: Absolutely agree. I will say, though, Saba, the things that were put out in Donald Trump's speech today, some of them we ask questions as to how he would possibly enforce them. others are actually policies that this administration is already carrying out. And this issue of his statement about Iraq and Libya all quite contradictory and contradict statements he's made in the past.

Nonetheless, sadly we are out of time for this conversation but I do want to thank you for joining us and you sharing, you know, why you're supporting Donald Trump and where you stand in this campaign so thank you.

AHMED: Thank you for having me.

SESAY: Thanks, Saba.

Time for a quick break now, and Boko Haram has released a new video claiming to show some of the kidnapped Nigerian schoolgirls. What the militant group says it will take to set the girls free.

Plus, high drama on the track at the Rio Olympics. How one runner went head first into history. Details next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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[01:00:44] SESAY: American sprinter Allyson Felix fell just short of a fifth Olympic gold medal during the 400-meter final. Instead the Bahamas Shaunae Miller crossed the finish line first barely beating up Felix. Miller led for much of the race and with 50 meters to go, she looked poised to win easily but Felix roared back making for a photo finish.

Miller's gold is the Bahamas' first gold medal -- first medal, I should say, in Rio.

Let's bring in Christina Macfarlane. She's live in Rio with all of Monday's action.

And, Christina, good to have you with us. The way Allyson Felix lost out on the gold in that race had some people asking, is that fair? Is it right?

CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN WORLD SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: It is absolutely right, Isha. And a good question to ask. Let me talk you through exactly how it happened because of course this was meant to be the crowning coronation for Allyson Felix, going for her fifth gold medal. Now Shaunae Miller was actually leading this race for most of the 400 meters, then when they came down into the final stretch into the final 100 meters they were neck and neck going for the line when Shaunae Miller dove for the finish line, throwing her body.

We don't know if she tripped or in sheer desperation she launched herself across the line. And she was sprawled on the floor at the end. Questions being asked, you know, had she stayed on her feet would this be a gold medal, would this be a silver medal? Well, I'll tell you the organizers took some 20 seconds to deliberate about that fact and then they decided to award the gold medal to Shaunae Miller saying that she had actually crossed the line in north point north 0.07 seconds faster than Allyson Felix.

So, as you say, Shaunae Miller takes the Bahamas' first gold medal of these games. And for Felix of course it's a bit of a bitter pill as she'll have to console herself with a silver medal. It is her seventh overall, would you believe? And she now officially becomes the most decorated female U.S. athlete in track and field history. But my goodness, such drama on the track tonight with that.

SESAY: Yes. Yes. I read one headline, it says something like the dive -- the dive heard around the world, something like that.

Let's talk gymnastics, shall we, and talk Simone Biles. The medals continue to rack up. But things didn't go exactly according to plan tonight.

MACFARLANE: Yes, that's right. Simone Biles proving I guess that she is human after all and that five gold medal tally is not going to be here in Rio. She was looking of course to become the first gymnast to do it. And you know, maybe, Isha, it's to do with something with that demanding schedule, that that goal she set herself, that she stumbled on the beam routine tonight. She actually messed up slightly on the forward somersault tuck, which is a relatively straightforward maneuver. Luckily she didn't fall off the beam, although she very nearly did and she even managed to close out the beam with one of her signatures, the spectacular twisting somersault dismount, which is something that no other gymnast can actually do on that particular -- on that particular event.

However, it wasn't enough to get her back up into gold medal contention. She walked away with the bronze but it was lovely to see her team mate, little Laurie Hernandez, walk away with the silver medal after a near faultless routine and we saw the Netherlands' first gold medal in this even tonight with Sunny Beavers taking the gold. But I'll tell you Biles wasn't too caught up about it afterwards. She did post this tweet a short while ago saying that she was more than happy to take away the bronze.

I guess it was just the rest of us, Isha, who wanted to see history being made here at this Rio Games.

SESAY: I think you're absolutely right. And finally a dramatic gold for Brazil in the final event of the night. In the pole vault.

MACFARLANE: Yes, and it really was dramatic. You know, expect to see Brazil taking gold in the beach volleyball or the judo but we didn't expect the pole vault. And you know, it's been raining really heavily over the past few hours and that really impacted -- delaying the start of the pole vault, then there was a mechanical error and it all added up to this late drama that -- when it came down between two individual athletes.

Thiago da Silva of Brazil and France's defending champion in this particular event Renaud Lavillenie. And Da Silva has the pole vault of his life. He vaulted 6.03 meters.

[01:25:01] Now that's 11 -- 11 centimeters better than his personal best and it's a new national record. In fact he becomes Brazil's first gold medalist in -- first gold medalist in the athletics event since 2008 and the crowd went nuts. They were crying in the stands in the stadium tonight, Isha. It was great to see.

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SESAY: A lot of drama, a lot of emotion tonight. Christina Macfarlane, appreciate it. Speak to you next hour. Thank you so much.

Now a woman who kidnapped a baby from -- from Cape Town, South Africa, from a hospital there in 1997 has been sentenced to a decade in prison. For 17 years the woman raised Zephany Nurse as her daughter in the same city as her biological parents. Zephany even befriended her biological sister at school. When the Nurse family -- when the Nurse family noticed a resemblance between their daughter and her new friend, they called authorities. A DNA test confirmed that the girl was their missing child.

Well, renewed hope for the parents of dozens of Nigerian schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko Haram more than two years ago.

CNN's Nima Elbagir spoke to the parents of one girl featured in a new video released by the terror group. We must warn you, some of the images are graphic.

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ESTHER YUKUBU, MOTHER OF KIDNAPPED CHIBOK GIRL: It's not easy for a mother but I also give thanks to God Almighty that they say most of the girls are dead and mine is alive.

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Esther Yukubu told CNN that even wearing a head covering, shaky voiced, she recognized her daughter, Maida, straight away.

YUKUBU: I give God the glory. But really I cried.

ELBAGIR: Maida was featured front and center in the latest Boko Haram video release. It was the first time since this picture was taken on the afternoon of her abduction by the terror group two years ago that Esther had seen her.

In the video a masked militant stands alongside Maida asking her to say her name and the school she was abducted from. "Chibok," she says. Then he asks that she recount what happened the night the militant claims the Nigerian government airstrikes killed a number of Maida's fellow abductees. A charge the government denies.

As Maida's voice cracks some of the girls behind her begin to cover their faces, visibly upset.

This eerie scene gives way to footage of the purported strike, footage too horrifying to show in full as the bodies of young women are turned to face the camera, some gruesomely disfigured. This the latest tally in Boko Haram's public campaign of pressure against the Nigerian government. A ransom note. The freeing of jailed Boko Haram soldiers in exchange for the Chibok girls' freedom.

The abduction of over 270 school girls from their beds by Boko Haram two years ago sent shockwaves around the world. Reverberating all the way to the White House. As even First Lady Michelle Obama took up the cries of "Bring Back Our Girls." A cry the Nigerian government promised would not go unheeded.

For the girls' families heartbreak vies with frustration.

YUKUBU: Two years, four months yesterday, the 14th. Nothing from the IG, nothing from the Nigerian army, nothing from the federal government. If they are working on this they should have done something by now.

ELBAGIR: As they wait for someone to bring their daughters back home.

Nima Elbagir, CNN, London.

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SESAY: Truly, truly tragic.

Time for a quick break now. Officials in one U.S. city are hoping to maintain calm after violent protests erupted following the police killing of an African-American man.

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[01:32:24] SESAY: You're watching CNN NEWSROOM, live from Los Angeles. I'm Isha Sesay.

The headlines this hour --

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SESAY: Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is under a state of emergency after two nights of violent protests. Demonstrations were sparked after the shooting of an armed African-American man.

CNN's Brynn Gingras has the latest from the city still on edge.

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BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A turbulent weekend in a city dealing with the Milwaukee shooting. Several businesses like this gas station and an auto parts store were torched, along with cars. Property destroyed and businesses looted.

TOM BARRETT, MILWAUKEE MAYOR: Last night was unlike anything I have seen in my adult life.

GINGRAS: The chaos after a police shot and killed 23-year-old Sylville Smith on Saturday. Officers pulled Smith and another person over which led to a foot chase. Authorities say Smith was armed and did not follow police orders to surrender. The officer fired hitting Smith twice in the arm and chest. According to the department, body cameras recorded the deadly exchange.

BARRETT: I have, however, seen a still photo and that still photo demonstrates, without question, that he had a gun in his hand. And I want our community to know that.

GINGRAS: So far, police have not yet released that picture, video, or the name of the officer who killed Smith. We do know he is 24 years old, a three-year veteran of the force and African-American. He is on administrative duty during an investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Leave the area. This is an unlawful assembly.

GINGRAS: Saturday night's protests were the most intense of the weekend with hundreds in the streets, some armed. Authorities say shots were fired in several areas of the city, sending one person to the hospital.

Seven officers were injured from rocks, glass bottles and bricks smashed against their patrol cars. In one case, the impact dented this riot gear. All together, police made 31 arrests.

Smith's family is reeling from their loss and asking demonstrators to be peaceful.

[01:35:30] SHANDRA SMITH (ph), SISTER OF SYLVILLE SMITH: It's not going to solve nothing. We want everybody to feel our pain.

GINGRAS: Many in this community believe it was just a matter of time for protests to erupt here. The Milwaukee Health Department has been found Milwaukee to be the most segregated major city between black and white residents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What they doing is not helping the community at all. We need to build a relationship, you know, with the cops.

GINGRAS: And Milwaukee police are preparing for the possibility of more protests as is Wisconsin's governor who has declared a state of emergency.

(on camera): Where does the investigation stand right now? It's in the hands of the State Department of Justice, instead of local authorities. Wisconsin is actually the first state to require that cases such as these, police involved shootings that end in fatalities, be handled by independent investigations.

Back to you.

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SESAY: Thanks to Brynn Gingras there.

Now joining me is retired LAPD Police Sergeant Cheryl Dorsey. She's also the author of "The Creation of a Manifesto of Black and Blue."

Cheryl Dorsey, good to have you with us.

Let me start by asking you a question put out there by Sylville Smith's sister. She asked the question, "Why didn't they just tase him?" What are the police guidelines?

SGT. CHERYL DORSEY, RETIRED LAPD POLICE DEPARTMENT: The police are taught to use a force that is necessary to overcome resistance. When you produce a gun, that changes everything. I'm not required now to use lesser force to get you to comply. You know you have a gun and you understand who I am. I'm in uniform. When you point a gun at me I'm going to respond in kind. I think the officer showed restraint in that he only fired two rounds. He didn't do what we've seen in the past where officers fire, you know, an entire clip, 14, 15 rounds at an alleged perpetrator. So for me in this instant I don't have any angst about the use of deadly force. SESAY: Some will think another shooting of a black man by police in

the United States and want to lump this together with those shootings. Is it right to do so? Is this something different?

DORSEY: For me this is different. This young man had a gun. He has a part to play. He has culpability in what happened. He had a gun and pointed it at the officer. The officer has an affirmative responsibility to make sure he is safe. He did what he is trained to do. He responded in kind, he did with restraint, and he fired two rounds and, unfortunately, sometimes people get hurt. Sometimes people die. That's inherent to police work.

SESAY: There is body cam footage. It has not been released. Why not?

DORSEY: Part of what we're hearing is there is concern for the officer's safety. They haven't identified him yet. My hope is when they can release it, they do. Transparency is important and people want to see that. And I think there will still be a section of society that will not be OK with this shooting, right? Because there are people that believe that all police shootings are bad. But for there to be a way to make the public feel better about this, they have to release the video camera so that we can see and we can make up our own minds.

SESAY: The State Department of Justice is handling the investigation. What does that mean for this process in your view?

DORSEY: It's important to have an independent viewer of facts. And when we find out what they determine to be the facts of the case, we'll see what their recommendation is. Police chiefs have tremendous power. The buck stops with him. Once they come back with their recommendation, the police chief will act on whatever they say based on his own belief and knowledge about the shooting and make a determination, whether it was in policy and if not what should be done with that officer.

SESAY: Cheryl Dorsey, thank you so much. Very much appreciate it.

DORSEY: Thank you.

[01:39:55] SESAY: We're going to take a break now. A town on the island of Corsica has become the third place in France to ban burkinis from its beaches. We'll have more on the tensions there, next on NEWSROOM L.A.

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SESAY: A third French beach town has banned the Muslim burkini swim suit amid growing terror concerns. The mayor says he wants to eliminate Islamic fundamentalism from Corsica. Cannes and another resort on the Rivera banned the full-bodied suit earlier arguing that it defied French laws on secularism. Tensions are high after a brawl broke out on the beach on Saturday night. Hundreds of Corsicans marched in a nearby city which has a large North African population. A Chinese Olympic swimmer broke records in Chinese private space with

an hour-long live stream last week, attracting more than 11 million views. Broadcasting yourself has become so popular in China that everyone wants to cash in.

Matt Rivers explains.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

MATT RIVERS, CNN ASIA-PACIFIC EDITOR: 1.9 million people spent Tuesday night watching this woman put on lipstick. It's odd, but is it a daily reality for this star of the Chinese live streaming explosion.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

RIVERS: She says, "In the next five years, online stream willing be as popular if not more so than TV."

She uses live streaming to dole out style advice while promoting her clothing line, just a part of a rapidly growing group of Chinese broadcasting everything online.

It's a newer phenomenon than in most Western countries but with hundreds of streaming websites the industry here is catching up fast. At any given time, you can watch just about anything.

This man is selling beef jerky to raise money for medical treatment.

This woman is just eating lunch. That's it.

And 19,000 people watched live as this guy test drove a car while staring at his phone at the same time.

Chinese streaming services differ from others worldwide in that most offer a way to profit while hamming it up for the camera. Many live streamers, some earning tens of thousands of dollars a month, make money accepting gifts that users pay for. Performers then redeem it for cold, hard cash.

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RIVERS: While pornography is illegal here, sex still sells. Streams like these are everywhere, featuring attractive women fully clothed asking for gifts before doing something as simple as standing up.

But government regulation is tight. Streams that, quote, "harm social morality" are shut down and face punishment. More specifically, performers are prohibited from eating bananas erotically or wearing suspenders and stockings during shows.

This woman welcomes the regulations and has made money by following the rules, at least $1.5 million in the last few years by using live streaming to sell her clothing line online. But be it clothing, singing, cooking or driving, it's all online and there is money to be made.

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RIVERS: Matt Rivers, CNN, Beijing.

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[01:46:18] SESAY: So interesting.

Next on NEWSROOM L.A., Lady Gaga sang it, Diane Warren wrote it, and now the song is up for an Emmy after getting Oscar and Grammy nominations. My conversation with Diane Warren about this unprecedented triple feat, next.

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SESAY: The voice is unmistakable. That is Lady Gaga singing "Til It Happens to You." It's the first song to get Oscar and Grammy nominations in the same year. The powerful anthem from "The Hunting Ground," which aired on CNN, highlights the issue of sexual assault on college campuses.

Earlier, I spoke with the song-writing genius behind the track, Grammy-award winning song writer, Diane Warren.

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SESAY: Diane, welcome. It is so good to have you with us.

DIANE WARREN, SONG WRITER: Thank you. Good to be here.

SESAY: Congratulations. Congratulations on the song and the amazing reception it has gotten.

WARREN: Thank you.

SESAY: We just mentioned the fact that it has the Emmy, Oscar and Grammy nods.

WARREN: Of course, it lost two already. SESAY: It has, but I'm optimistic for the Emmy.

WARREN: I've never been nominated for an Emmy before. It's pretty amazing. It's awesome. I'm excited.

SESAY: What does it mean it comes with this song in particular?

WARREN: This song is so amazing. It has an amazing life to it. It's -- I think it's probably my most important song.

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SESAY: Really?

WARREN: Yeah. It's given voice to something that never really had a voice or with the sexual assault, you know, thing, where it's -- it has been so in the shadows and in the closet and here it took it out of that and made people able to talk about it and feel like they're not alone and it goes beyond that. Anything you go there whether you are bullied or lost someone. I saw a video about gun violence using that song, and until it happens to you, you don't know how it feels.

SESAY: What did Lady Gaga bring to the song? You write the words and you add her to it.

WARREN: She added great things to it as well. She brought it to life and produced the record and she changed things and made it her own. And like, without her on that song, it wouldn't have been what you hear.

SESAY: It wouldn't be?

WARREN: No. What I played it was a sad piano ballad. And to be honest she took it and -- it's an interesting thing with a song. It's like the documentary and the video. There's three acts. Right? It starts out you're the victim and then it gets pissed off. And then you are like -- it goes through you're recovering and you see what they go there and at the end they are triumphant.

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WARREN: And as Lady Gaga said, you don't want to meet me in a dark alley. And the video is the same thing and the same in the movie. The girls start out, you see them these poor girls and, at the end, they are changing laws.

SESAY: To have a song like this that has taken on a life of its own. In some ways, you gave birth to it, but it has become something completely different.

WARREN: Yeah. There's not a day that goes by that someone doesn't say thank you or what that song did for them. And people -- like, the Humane Society made a video about animal cruelty, which was hard for me to watch. I'm an animal activist. But yet, it fit that, too. It fits other scenarios. So I think that's why -- I think that's the power of the song. It resonates very deeply. We don't know what it's like to go through what people go through, whatever they go through or what animals go through.

SESAY: Until you walk in those shoes.

WARREN: Or those hooves.

SESAY: You have no idea. You have written so many amazing songs.

WARREN: Thank you.

SESAY: "Unbreak My Heart," "Don't Want to Miss a Thing." Just such incredible songs. And I didn't know all of the songs you have written, and I was like, I love that song, I love that song.

WARREN: You sure about that one?

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SESAY: I mean, talk to me about being this person who has just been able time after time to churn out these hits.

WARREN: I just love writing songs. I work near here and get to work early in the morning and can't wait to see what is going to come and what I'm going to write. I love the process. I love looking ahead and love what is next. I did a song for Michelle Obama. Have you seen that?

SESAY: Yes, I have.

WARREN: Michelle Obama is singing my song.

SESAY: That is amazing.

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SESAY: Michelle Obama --

[01:55:13] WARREN: So I've got the first lady singing my song. That's pretty awesome.

SESAY: That's amazing. Do you have any rituals ahead of the awards?

WARREN: Not the ones I did for the Oscars and the Grammys. I lost.

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Maybe find a new one. I have to think of a new one. I'm open for ideas.

SESAY: We'll put it to the viewers.

WARREN: Please.

SESAY: They can tweet you.

WARREN: Yeah, I love to hear.

SESAY: I just want to say thank you and good luck for the Emmys.

WARREN: Thank you.

SESAY: I hope you have victory.

WARREN: Thank you so much.

SESAY: It's an amazing song and an important song.

WARREN: Thank you.

SESAY: The marriage between you and Lady Gaga on this track make it special.

WARREN: Thank you so much. It's pretty cool, isn't it?

SESAY: Congratulations.

WARREN: Thank you.

SESAY: Thank you, Diane.

WARREN: Thank you.

SESAY: Good to talk you to.

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SESAY: That does it for us at this hour. I'll be back at the top of the hour with more of the day's big stories. Stay with us.

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