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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: A rallying call for democracy across Turkey as crowds gather in the aftermath of a deadly but thwarted attempt at a military coup. We'll analyze the build-up to and the fallout from Friday night's dramatic events.

MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: And the French city of Nice continues to struggle with the traumatic terror attack that killed dozens enjoying Bastille Day celebrations. We've got more on the attack here and how France is responding to its latest mass killing.

Welcome to our viewers around the world. I'm Max Foster in Nice.

ANDERSON: And I'm Becky Anderson in Paris. This is a special edition of CNN NEWSROOM.

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ANDERSON: The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, says a cleric living in exile in the United States orchestrated the recent coup attempt. Erdogan is demanding that the U.S. arrest and extradite Fethullah Gulen and crowds gathered outside Gulen's home in Pennsylvania to echo that sentiment. But Gulen says he wasn't involved with the uprising at all.

For more on the situation in Turkey, CNN's Ian Lee joining us now from Istanbul -- Ian.

IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Becky, yes, Sunday morning here and it is quiet. But last night, there were thousands of supporters of President Erdogan in Taksim Square behind me, they were chanting, a show of force, if you will, for the president and against the coup.

But Friday night, the scene here was very much different.

LEE (voice-over): A bloody 24 hours of chaos and bloodshed in Turkey. It started with elements of the military declared it had taken control of the country and imposed martial law. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan appealed to his supporters on FaceTime to take to the streets and fight for democracy. They heeded that call. Social media showed protesters squaring off against tanks and armored vehicles.

Turkish forces loyal to Erdogan rushed the coup but not before isolated heavy fighting. Gunshots reported at the presidential complex in Ankara and helicopters reportedly opened fire at the national intelligence headquarters.

The coup's soldiers eventually abandoned their weapons.

FIKRI ISIK, TURKISH DEFENSE MINISTER (through translator): Right now, there's no place that is not under our control. At this point and at this time, there are no risk spots. There are no places that are not under our control. So, yes, the coup is blocked.

LEE: Retribution has begun. At least 2,800 soldiers of various ranks have been arrested and 2,700 members of the judiciary removed. The prime minister vowing they will pay a heavy price.

LEE (voice-over): Now, public enemy number one, this man. Fethullah Gulen, an influential cleric in exile in the United States. Erdogan accuses him of being the puppet master of the attempted overthrow.

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, TURKISH PRESIDENT (through translator): I call on the United States and President Barack Obama. Dear Mr. President, I told you this before, either arrest Fethullah Gulen or return him to Turkey.

LEE: Gulen denies responsibility, claiming anyone could have been behind it.

And in a rare show of unity, in a country where politics can be divisive and deadly, Turkey's various political parties united to denounce the coup. That unity, not likely to last. Opposition figures worry the coup gave Erdogan a gift, an excuse to consolidate power while galvanizing his supporters and cracking down on dissent.

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LEE: And, Becky, that crackdown is likely to go after opposition, people who have opposed him, who may not necessarily have been part of this coup. Erdogan has had a long history of going after journalists and rights activists. And those opposition figures are worried that this could be just the beginning.

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ANDERSON: Ian, I'm looking at the shot behind you. That's Taksim Square. And it looks very, very quiet this morning at, what is it, just after 8 o'clock in the morning Turkish time.

What is the atmosphere like today?

LEE: It's really subdued, you're right. It is pretty quiet out here this morning, although last night it was very rambunctious. The tension that we felt after the coup, immediately afterwards, yesterday, you could feel it on the streets. That's subsided a bit.

It looks like, for all intents and purposes, from what we've been hearing from Turkish officials, that this coup is over, although, at the Incirlik air base in Turkey, closer to Syria, where the U.S. has some 1,500 troops, that base, we are being told, is still being sealed off.

They're still trying to make sure that they do have control of all the military assets. But definitely a very different picture than what we experienced here Friday and even into Saturday morning.

ANDERSON: Ian Lee is in Istanbul for you.

Well, even though the coup failed, its impact is being felt around the world. Cyril Vanier joins me now. He's an anchor and international correspondent for France 24.

And a defiant President Erdogan, calling on the U.S. to return his nemesis, the man he accuses of being the mastermind behind this failed coup. This is a significant ratcheting up of tensions with Washington, Turkey a key NATO ally, of course.

What are the risks at this point?

CYRIL VANIER, FRANCE 24: Look, Erdogan has said that this coup was a gift from God and he's going to exploit this as an opportunity, a political opportunity. So he sees this, first and foremost, in terms of how can he use this situation to further his agenda and support his, shore up his power base.

The risks for everyone involved, be it the U.S., Turkey and other regional powers, are the weakening of Turkey's military. And it was long thought to have been one of the strongest forces in the region.

But, of course, coups have a way, don't they, of revealing hidden weaknesses. We've seen that there is disorganization, there is dissent within the ranks, even though we didn't believe Turkey's military was as permeable to that kind of dissent as it has turned out to be.

But this comes at a terrible, terrible time for Turkey and, by the way, the U.S. Turkey, involved with the PKK Turkish insurgency, entangled in Syria and Iraq, fighting the Islamic State group. And the U.S. of course, using Turkey as a key ally. The Incirlik air base was a staging ground for the U.S. to go and bomb targets in Turkey and Syria -- in Iraq and Syria, beg your pardon.

That has now been suspended for the moment. That just gives you short-term an impression of just how disruptive it can be when Turkey is not on top of its game.

ANDERSON: And I guess the question is, what is the long-term damage to the political system as a whole in Turkey? Because of course, that has a significant consequence for the U.S., as you rightly point out, in operations at the Incirlik and the 1,500 troops based there.

VANIER: Yes, absolutely. In terms of the politics of this, I think Erdogan is going to see this again as an opportunity, because why?

Because he sees that people actually answer to his call. They took to the streets to protect Turkish democracy. Everybody doesn't like Erdogan but they do not want a return to military rule. So he'll see this as a consolidation of his power base, speak to his power base and consolidate his power.

ANDERSON: Washington in a very difficult position, because as I point out, this nemesis of Erdogan's, Fethullah Gulen, who is based in Pennsylvania, has been since 1999, he accuses of being the mastermind behind this plot. And he's asked for him to either be arrested or returned. Now he calls Gulen a terrorist.

Does Washington see him as such?

VANIER: Washington is in trouble here. This man lives in Pennsylvania under tight security. He's, in fact, been allowed to and able to open a religious school in the U.S. Washington is going to have to take a long, hard look at this call for him to be deported back to Turkey.

It's very difficult at this stage for them to say no. Again, Erdogan seeing this as an opportunity, denouncing Fethullah Gulen as the leader of this coup; Washington pretty much has to address those concerns one way or another.

Even though they want the rule of law respected. And Washington knows full well that, for Erdogan, this may be an opportunity for him to flush out his political enemies.

He's been trying to get rid of Gulen and put him behind bars for three years, regardless of this coup.

ANDERSON: All right. Cyril, for the time being, you'll be joining me throughout the morning but, for the time being, thank you. That's all for me in Paris for the moment. I want to hand --

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ANDERSON: -- you back over to Max Foster, who is in Nice and he has the very latest on what is the aftermath of Thursday's terrible terror attack there -- Max.

FOSTER: Yes, Becky, as you know, the whole country's in grief, trying to come to terms with yet another terror attack. The 84 people killed here in Nice, France, on Thursday, are being remembered in three days of national mourning.

The promenade where a man zigzagged a truck through crowds has now reopened in a sign of defiance. And the French government is expected to activate about 26,000 reserve forces to increase security.

A phone number belonging to the attacker here in Nice came up in a separate investigation as well into an associate of a jihadist recruiter. The source tells CNN that the authorities are now trying to determine what the connection was between the two men. Our Isa Soares has more on what we're learning about the man behind the massacre in the city.

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ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the face of the man who brought terror to the streets of Nice. Mohamed Bouhlel, a young, mall-time criminal, who French authorities say was not known to have any links to terrorism.

BERNARD CAZENUEVE, FRENCH INTERIOR MINISTER (through translator): It seems that he became radicalized very quickly.

SOARES: ISIS has claimed the 31-year-old was one of their soldiers who heeded their call. But questions still remain as to whether he received a direct order by the terror group, or was simply inspired by their ideology.

Investigators are looking to answer that. They're digging deep into his life. Some neighbors in his apartment building describe him as a bit of a loner, quiet and even odd.

JASMINE CORMAN, SUSPECT'S NEIGHBOR (through translator): He never spoke. He didn't speak to anyone. He was always alone with his bike and he drank alcohol during Ramadan. I lived under a murderer.

SOARES (on camera): This is his apartment. As you can see here the door has been completely blown out. And if you look through the keyhole you can see the place has been thoroughly searched, cupboard doors open, drawers strewn to the floor.

SOARES (voice-over): From the outside, his life looked almost ordinary, a delivery driver with three children who according to one neighbor was never mean.

French media describe him as the man who loved bodybuilding and salsa dancing. But those closest to him paint a picture of a disturbed individual.

MOHAMED MONDHER LAHOUAIEJ BOUHLEL, SUSPECT'S FATHER (through translator): He was of a nervous disposition. He would become angry, he would shout and he would break everything that was in front of him.

SOARES: His unstable character didn't go unnoticed or unpunished with authorities coming face-to-face with him only two months ago.

JEAN-JACQUES URVOAS, FRENCH JUSTICE MINISTER (through translator): He was charged with armed assault. There was an altercation in a public road among two drivers and himself, which involved a wooden pallet which was thrown by him. SOARES: Slowly a picture is emerging of Mohamed Bouhlel. It's up to authorities to determine now, whether his actions were driven by rage or radicalization -- Isa Soares, CNN, Nice, France.

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FOSTER: Lots of questions being asked, also a lot of pressure on security services here. We'll have more from Nice coming up in just a moment -- Becky.

ANDERSON: And we are also learning more about Friday's coup attempt in Turkey. What happened to a CNN affiliate and the drama that played out inside their TV studios in Istanbul. That is coming up.

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FOSTER: Welcome back to our viewers around the world. You're watching a special edition of CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Max Foster in Nice.

ANDERSON: And I'm Becky Anderson in Paris for you. Do stay with us throughout the coming hours as we bring you continuing coverage of two major news events in Turkey and right here, of course, in France.

Well, CNN has tried for years to interview the cleric who Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan is blaming for the coup attempt. Fethullah Gulen largely avoids the press, despite a large following around the world. In September 2014, CNN's Ivan Watson profiled the reclusive cleric.

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IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: One of the world's most powerful Muslim preachers lives behind these gates in a compound located in the small leafy town of Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania.

The reclusive Turkish cleric's name is Fethullah Gulen. If you believe the government of Turkey, supporters of the cleric in Pennsylvania are spearheading a coup attempt here in Turkey that's destabilizing one of America's most important allies in the Middle East.

Turkish prime minister recently compared Gulen and his supporters to a virus and a medieval cult of assassins, while a top official from the prime minister's political party told me Gulen and his supporters have infiltrated the Turkish police force and judiciary.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are confronted by a structure that doesn't take orders from within the chain of command of the state but rather takes orders from outside the state.

WATSON: So who is the mysterious man in Pennsylvania? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fethullah Gulen leads the largest Islamic community in Turkey. His followers are estimated to be millions in number. And this is also the best organized Islamic community in terms of NGOs, the media, schools, charities, dormitories.

WATSON: Every year students from Gulen's schools operating in more than 100 countries around the world including one of the largest charter school networks in the U.S., gather in Istanbul for a lavish event called the Turkish Olympics.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That moment is a civil society moment with a civic approach. It is not Islamist. It doesn't have any strict political ideology. It is games fusing religion and politics.

WATSON: Throughout most of the last decade the Gulen movement was also a strong supporter of Turkey's religious conservative prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. And in recent years it became increasingly dangerous to criticize the Gulen movement. Police arrested and imprisoned writer Ahmet Sik for more than a year and a court banned his book criticizing the movement before it was even published. Now out of prison but still facing charges, Sik argues that the forced political marriage between the government and the Gulen movement has turned into a nasty divorce.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): On the one side there's the Gulen community, a dark, opaque power that can damage the most powerful government in Turkish history. On the other side you have a government under the guise of fighting this community can and has suspended all democratic principles.

WATSON: On December 17th, police launched a series of raids detaining dozens of people close to the Turkish government on charges of corruption. The government immediately claims the corruption probe was politically motivated and began demoting thousands of police officers and prosecutors believed to be linked to the Gulen movement.

Gulen has since denounced the government in a fiery online sermon, but also denying he gives orders to anyone in the Turkish judiciary. With his supporters embroiled in a power struggle with the Turkish government it is highly unlikely this enigmatic man in Pennsylvania will return to Turkey anytime soon -- Ivan Watson, CNN, Istanbul.

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ANDERSON: Right. And we have got a lot more for you on the failed military coup in Turkey still ahead. First, let me get you back to Max Foster, who is in Nice -- Max.

FOSTER: France is still in shock over the deadly terror attack that claimed 84 lives during Bastille Day celebrations here in Nice. ISIS is claiming the attacker, 31-year-old Mohamed Bouhlel is one of their soldiers, they said. France's interior minister says the Tunisian national was radicalized very quickly and was unknown to French intelligence. Well, for more, let's bring in Melissa Bell. She is an international

affairs editor with France 24. She joins us via Skype from Burgundy in France.

Interesting wording to the ISIS statement, wasn't it?

They weren't saying they directly orchestrated this attack but they're claiming it, which is a risk because we're now finding out that he had psychological problems. He was unstable. Doesn't exactly feel like the image of a soldier that they may like to claim.

MELISSA BELL, FRANCE 24: No, and there are suggestions that perhaps that delay that we saw, Max, because there were all those questions -- it was 36 hours after the tragic events of Thursday night that this statement was released on their Amaq news agency.

And the question of why there was that delay when, in the last few attacks that we've seen, both here in France but, of course, elsewhere in the United States, it's been much quicker. You've had to wait just a few hours.

And that delay led many to wonder what exactly had gone on.

Were those in charge of ISIS communication waiting to find out a bit more about this man specifically and whether they should link themselves publicly to him?

On the other hand, Max, what specialists in the group and their forms of communications say is that the fact that they called him a soldier of the caliphate, once that statement did come out, rather than simply saluting what he had done, does suggest that there was some sort of tangible link between him and the organization.

And that, of course, is precisely what investigators are focusing on now.

How direct were those links?

And, of course, because they have at their disposal the number of his belongings, including phone and computer, they're starting to get an idea of some of the figures that are -- that were being watched by French intelligence in the Nice area.

Among them, Omar Dabiy (ph) is a name that's coming up. The links that she may have had with him or links that they might have shared and that might provide some clue, some better understanding of what drove the man, who was clearly a little bit unstable, prone to violence, possibly depressed, to go from being slightly troubled to a killer on the sort of scale that we saw on Thursday night.

FOSTER: I also want to ask you, Melissa, we got -- we see it in Paris, we see it here, huge amounts of military out on the streets. There's been the state of emergency. It's now had to be extended for another few months. And we're hearing that the military are under so much pressure now they're exhausted. And there's been this call out now for reservists, for people to sign up to the military so they can help support a military operation. There's a huge amount of pressure, isn't there, in order to stop this sort of attack happening again. And actually the authorities are struggling to cope at this point.

BELL: The (INAUDIBLE) struggling to cope. We heard Francois Hollande immediately on Friday announce that these reservists would be called up. There are several different kinds of reservists in France. The ones that are being called up now, the 20-odd thousand that are being asked to help relieve those 10,000 (INAUDIBLE) France as sort of operation sentiment, they're the ones who have served in the armed forces before and, therefore, can still be called upon to come back.

And this latest call by Bernard Cazeneuve, the interior minister, calling on patriots to join the reserves, I think, is interesting and a measure just how stretched those armed forces are. You have to remember, Max, that those 10,000 military personnel that have been deployed in the wake of "Charlie Hebdo," this operation strengthened of course on the 13th of November and it had been slightly brought down to 10,000 men and women on France's streets.

It's now been raised once again. This will remain true until the end of the summer, back to 10,000, not only that huge number of military out on France's streets but of course the tens of thousands of French military men and women, who are on active service outside, the French are involved in no fewer than four separate theaters, the Central African Republic, the (INAUDIBLE) region, which (INAUDIBLE) Mali, Niger, Chad, and is part of their anti-terrorism drive, Lebanon of course and in the least, Syria and in Iraq.

The French are extremely stretched at the moment, both abroad at (INAUDIBLE) so much so that they're having to call on patriots now to come and lead those who have been so stretched over the course of the last 18 months.

FOSTER: OK, Melissa, thank you --

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FOSTER: -- very much indeed.

The site of Thursday's terrorist attack has reopened. The visitors to the beachside promenade are instantly reminded of the carnage that occurred just days before. Here's Will Ripley on that.

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WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The French Riviera, a place of undeniable beauty and now unthinkable tragedy. For the first time since the attack in Nice, the beach is back open. So is the iconic Promenade des Anglais. All appears normal until you see the flowers marking the spots where so many died.

GEOFF DONOVAN, NICE MASSACRE WITNESS: A lot of people were closer down here, saw their family being killed, saw their children being killed. I feel for those and the thousands of people that are related and friends of theirs.

RIPLEY (voice-over): Geoff Donovan from Australia watched from his fifth-floor balcony. A young boy died in the lobby of his hotel, one of many children buying candy from Juliette (INAUDIBLE).

"That one was shouting, that one was crying," she says. "It was a catastrophe to see death in front of you. It was hard, really, really hard."

Here, heartbreaking reminders of young lives lost.

One note reads, "Twenty hit here, many children."

Another, "Our thoughts are with you, little princess."

Of the 84 who died, more than a dozen remain unidentified. Along this promenade, these pictures of the missing.

Alexandre Goutagny (ph) is helping his neighbors search for some of those missing. He lives in Nice. He's haunted by the children he saw running, crying, calling for their parents who didn't make it.

ALEXANDRE GOUTAGNY (PH), NICE MASSACRE WITNESS: It's quite difficult for me to sleep, you know, because I'm hearing the voices, I'm seeing the faces and remembering the faces of these children.

RIPLEY (voice-over): His sister in Paris called to check on him after the attack. Last November 13th, he called to check on her. Terrorists stormed Le Petit Cambodge restaurant, shooting her twice. His sister survived. Three of her friends died.

GOUTAGNY (PH): I think nobody can feel safe, you know?

We are experience, we are changing our mind, we are changing our way to live.

RIPLEY (voice-over): Things appear back to normal here. But life will never be the same -- Will Ripley, CNN, Nice, France.

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FOSTER: And it's quite an odd feeling when you look around and everything does feel like it's back to normal in Nice. And then you see these groupings of flowers as you just walk down the street. It's a big reminder obviously of what happened just last week.

More from here as we get it. I'm Max Foster in Nice.

ANDERSON: And I'm Becky Anderson in Paris.

Still ahead this hour, some dramatic moments inside a CNN affiliate studio in Istanbul. Why soldiers stormed this building during Friday's unrest.

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ANDERSON: Welcome back to our viewers around the world. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Becky Anderson in Paris.

FOSTER: I'm Max Foster in Nice on the French Riviera, a city still reeling from a terror attack that killed dozens celebrating Bastille Day on Thursday.

ANDERSON: Thank you, Max. Back to you shortly.

Firstly to Turkey. Chaos gave way to street celebrations after the failed coup in Turkey. Government supporters marched through Ankara. More than 2,800 military personnel have been detained in what is this crackdown and nearly 3,000 judges have been suspended.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says a self-exiled critic in the United States is behind this deadly violence but that man, Islamic cleric Fethullah Gulen, denies any involvement.

That coup on Friday also came with tense moments for our affiliate, CNN Turk, in Istanbul. Soldiers took over their TV studios after the channel used FaceTime to broadcast the message from the Turkish president. Have a look at this.

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GUL TUYSUZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: As chaos unfolded across Turkey under occupation, an anchor for state broadcaster TRT reads a message from those attempting a coup. It declares martial law and a curfew, a curfew that will eventually fail after an appearance by the country's embattled president on CNN Turk.

In an unusual use of technology, Recep Tayyip Erdogan appears on an iPhone with a FaceTime connection held up by the CNN Turk anchor.

"Go to the streets and give them their answer," he urges.

"I'm coming to a square in Ankara."

Thousands of people took to the streets in solidarity with Erdogan. Chanting, "God is great," they stood up against the military and held the streets across the country.

And all throughout, CNN Turk stayed on air. But just as the soldiers occupying TRT were expelled, CNN Turk would be silenced by the coup attempt.

In a dramatic moment, a calm but visibly shaken CNN Turk anchor tells viewers, "I think you can hear me. A helicopter has landed on our building and soldiers have entered the area of our studio using force."

Twenty minutes later, a breaking news banner appears, CNN Turk broadcast being cut, followed by the anchor saying, "They are now in our control room. We tried our best," she says.

And the channel cuts to a studio camera, showing the last remaining employees clearing out. The signal of the empty studio would be up for roughly 40 minutes with muffled voices heard off camera.

Finally, commotion outside the studio. CNN Turk managers enter the studio. And nearly an hour after soldiers first took over their control room, the camera position changes and CNN Turk returns to air -- Gul Tuysuz, CNN, Atlanta.

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ANDERSON: Joining us now is the former U.S. ambassador, Matthew Bryza, via Skype from Istanbul, a senior fellow now with the Islamic Council and also a former senior official who covered Turkey for the White House and for the State Department.

And, sir, remind us who this U.S.-based cleric, Fethullah Gulen, is and why President Erdogan is so determined that he was behind this failed coup.

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MATTHEW BRYZA, ISLAMIC COUNCIL: Well, first of all, he is a well- known Islamic scholar who wrote a lot about the compatibility of Western values in Islam and nonviolence, which got a lot of attention of people in Washington right after September 11th.

He also set up a whole network of charter schools in the United States, in Europe, in Turkey, in Central Asia and schools that are of good quality. So he has built up a certain degree of support.

At the same time, he's a businessman who heads a business empire and has created sort of a cultish movement of people, who are deeply devoted to him, and that makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

And on top of that, shortly after he went to the United States in 1999, sent himself into self-imposed exile, he made a statement to those followers, and he said you all need, essentially, to infiltrate Turkish government, especially security services.

But be quiet, wait for the right time and then strike. So that last part has really brought a lot of concern to Turkish governments.

But ironically, especially the secular government before prime minister, now President Erdogan's government. So earlier, Erdogan and Gulen were strong allies when they were working to dismantle the role of the military in politics.

They turned on each other and in around 2013, their opposition to each other became all-out political warfare.

ANDERSON: Well, Erdogan certainly now describes him as a terrorist and a defiant President Erdogan calling for Gulen's extradition from the U.S. This is what John Kerry, the secretary of state, had to say on the subject. Have a listen.

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JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm sure that people will wonder about allegations of who may have (INAUDIBLE) this, where support came from. The United States will obviously be supportive of any legitimate investigative efforts.

And under due process and within the law, we will be completely supportive of efforts to assist the government of Turkey, if they so request.

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ANDERSON: Note that John Kerry didn't actually name Sheikh Gulen there.

Look, how significant is this ratcheting up of tensions with Washington at this point, do you think?

BRYZA: It depends on how far President Erdogan wants to push it. If he stops what appears to be, by the way, a possible link in restrictions on the U.S. ability to operate coalition airstrikes out of the Incirlik airbase, unless Gulen is extradited, which sounded like that's what was happening yesterday, so if that continues, I think we'll see a serious deterioration in U.S.-Turkish relations.

And I think that there's a chance that's going to happen because, here in Turkey, people just don't understand how due process works, how, in the United States, there truly is separation of powers; how, for somebody to be arrested, even accused, not to mention extradited for terrorist charges, there needs to be hard evidence. That's not understood here.

Here, President Erdogan thinks, well, we called this guy a terrorist; this is consistent with Turkish law, so our ally must respond.

If that attitude, however, changes and if the U.S. side is able to explain to the Turkish side and convince the Turkish side that, hey, due process really means something and we're bound by our Constitution and if Erdogan quiets down, then I think we're going to see U.S.- Turkish relations moving forward quite quickly, restoring themselves to where they were and moving even beyond because the U.S. still wants stability in this country.

But for now, my bet is on the tension's going to keep ratcheting up and managing this is going to be difficult.

ANDERSON: Fascinating. All right, Matthew, thank you for that, Matthew Bryza via a very good Skype line today out of Istanbul. Thank you.

Max Foster is in Nice with the very latest on the aftermath of Thursday's deadly terror attack -- Max.

FOSTER: Yes, Becky, ISIS claiming the man who carried out the deadly terror attack in France as one of their own soldiers. Mohamed Bouhlel, a Tunisian national, drove a 20-ton truck into a crowd on Thursday during Bastille Day celebrations; 84 people were killed and more than 200 wounded.

And Nice's beachside promenade now reopening in defiance. France is observing three days of mourning to remember those lives lost in this tragic attack.

Now one of those survivors of that horrific attack is a British Nice resident, Peter Chesley. He says he and his friend were nearly hit by the truck. He joins us now. He's in Stockholm. He joins us via Skype.

Thank you so much for joining us, Peter. Just describe your evening and your first --

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FOSTER: -- awareness of what was unfolding.

PETER CHESLEY, NICE ATTACK SURVIVOR: I was on the promenade, was previously on the beach watching the fireworks with everybody else. We got up onto the promenade after a few minutes of queuing to get up.

And we were like everybody else, just laughing, deciding what to do next. Should we watch the music, should we get something to eat. I heard some sirens in the foreground and thought, OK, maybe there's an accident or something. And I looked up.

I didn't see the sirens but I saw the top of a white lorry and I thought, it's a bit strange because it was a pedestrian area for that night for the fireworks. I thought nothing of it until I saw it swerve. And because it's a straight road, the Promenade des Anglais, it can't swerve like that.

So I knew that there was probably something wrong, especially when it swerved the other way quite violently. And I said to my friend, something's wrong with the truck. Someone's lost control. Something's happened.

FOSTER: What did you think was going on with the truck when you first noticed it?

CHESLEY: I thought that someone had lost control of the truck, maybe fell asleep at the wheel, a blown tire or something, because it just wasn't the right behavior for a truck.

And I said, there's a problem and there's lots of people (INAUDIBLE) place was packed, we all know. And this was a couple of, maybe 150- 200 meters away from me. And so we just watched this truck to see what was going to happen. It just kept coming closer.

We expected it to stop after a couple of seconds but it just kept coming. And it made its way onto the promenade. And that's when, obviously, the major panic happened.

FOSTER: And you've had a few days to digest what happened there.

How do you come to terms with something like that?

Is it getting harder to understand, the more you learn about it and the more fallout we see coming from it?

CHESLEY: It's not getting any harder. I think I'm just stuck at the moment because, after we saw that part of the event, my friend was trying to grab me off of the promenade. But apparently, I just didn't move. I was looking at the trajectory, the direction that the truck was going. It was going all over the place.

But because it's such a big thing, you can kind of guess where it's going, because I knew it was going to get me. It was going so fast. It was going to cover that distance. It was going to get to where me and my friend were.

She wanted to run and hope that it didn't go to her place to where she was. I wanted to try and work out where the truck was going, so, when I ran, I knew that I was running to safety, which I did.

And the bit that I can't come to terms with, I can't get my brain to accept what my eyes saw, was when the truck went past me, it was 4 or 5 meters away and I just saw how many people it hit, what it did to those people.

Now I saw that, but I can't -- I can't -- I can't put two and two together. I can't accept what it did to those people actually. That's where I am at the moment. That's where I'm stuck.

FOSTER: Peter, our thoughts are with you. And it's something probably you'll never come to terms with but thank you very much for sharing the story with us, Peter.

More from Becky and me still ahead. But after this break, Natalie Allen will be with you to bring you the rest of the day's news. You'll hear from Donald Trump's presidential running mate after the break.

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NATALIE ALLEN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Natalie Allen at CNN headquarters in Atlanta. We'll continue to follow the developing stories there in Turkey and France this hour.

But first, some other stories that we're following as well.

Donald Trump, the U.S. presumptive Republican presidential nominee, has chosen his running mate, Indiana governor Mike Pence. The two held their first rally in New York on Saturday and Pence said he is seeing another side of Trump, which all Americans will see as well if he wins the election in November. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. MIKE PENCE (R), IND.: Having had the privilege to spend time with this man and his family out of the limelight, I know what all of America will soon know even better: these are good people. Donald Trump is a good man and he will make a great President of the United States of America.

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ALLEN: CNN's special coverage of the Republican National Convention begins Monday. Christiane Amanpour, Kate Bolduan and Hala Gorani will be live from Cleveland, Ohio. Join us all week for special coverage of the development speeches and analysis as the Republicans crown their nominee.

The Summer Olympics are less than three weeks away. Our Shasta Darlington was recently at an antiterrorism training exercise for police and troops and she has more on how Brazilian officials are reviewing their security plans in light of the terror attack in Nice, France.

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SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is a drill in progress, the biggest exercise to date, bringing all branches of security forces together for the first time ahead of the Rio 2016 Summer Games. In the simulation, hostages and casualties, all in real time.

DARLINGTON (on camera): The anti-terrorism forces are now on the scene going after the alleged terrorist. We're an hour into this simulation.

DARLINGTON (voice-over): Though planned before, the attack on Nice is having an impact.

DARLINGTON: What are you doing differently?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are bringing more troops to Rio de Janeiro. The games will be safe.

DARLINGTON (voice-over): In fact, the attack on Nice has prompted Brazil to review its entire Olympic security planned.

The perimeters around venues will be widened and more checkpoints and traffic restrictions added.

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DARLINGTON (voice-over): -- will be concentrated right here in Rio. More than double the security detail in London.

"The events of Nice have worried us and it's not surprising," he says. "This concern will be translated into greater control, more security and more measures."

They will be working with international intelligence agencies at command and control center in the heart of Rio.

"Anyone can take a truck and commit a crime like we saw," he says. "But today in Brazil, there are no suspicions this threat will take place."

And while Brazil is taking no chances, officials insist the country has no history of terrorism and no homegrown networks to facilitate a terror attack -- Shasta Darlington, CNN, Rio de Janeiro.

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ALLEN: Max Foster and Becky Anderson will be right back with our coverage from Turkey and Nice, France, right after this.

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FOSTER: Welcome back to CNN's continuing coverage of the terror attack here in Nice in France and the failed military coup in Turkey. I'm Max Foster.

ANDERSON: And I'm Becky Anderson in Paris. Stay with us throughout the coming hours as we bring you all the very latest developments on these two major stories.

FOSTER: We're getting more information about the man behind Thursday's terrible attack here in Nice in France. The French interior minister says the 31-year-old Tunisian suspect got radicalized very quickly. And a source tells CNN that authorities are looking into a possible connection between the suspect and an associate of a jihadist recruiter.

ISIS is claiming it inspired the attack that killed 84 people. Critics say security wasn't strong enough to prevent a driver from plowing a truck through the crowds. And earlier I spoke with the vice mayor of Nice.

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FOSTER: Had you asked for more security for this event and not receive it?

RUDY SALES (PH), VICE MAYOR OF NICE: We have been asking all the time more security for Nice. We need more security because we're an international city, because (INAUDIBLE) friends, because it's a very touristic city, because also we are in the south of France.

And in the south of France we know that there are many jihadists coming or who want to try to do something. And so we need the security. And we don't have it, anyway, today.

FOSTER: And (INAUDIBLE) you feel now that you didn't have enough on Thursday?

SALES (PH): Yes, so we asked to the president yesterday that we need more security. He said, yes, we are going to give you more security in September. With 100 more policemen in the city. It's not exactly the answer we are waiting for.

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FOSTER: Well, the French government is expected to activate thousands of reserve forces to increase security across the country. Much more from Nice coming up, But first, we're going to take you back to Becky, with a roundup on the latest news on that failed military coup in Turkey -- Becky.

ANDERSON: That's right. A failed coup attempt in Turkey has put the spotlight on an unlikely place: rural Pennsylvania. The U.S. state is home to the Islamic cleric Fethullah Gulen, who Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says spearheaded the uprising.

Gulen has lived there since 1999 and says he had nothing to do with the recent events in his home country. The two men have a longstanding rivalry, so much so that Gulen seemed to imply that Erdogan may have staged the coup himself.

Thank you so much for joining us this hour. I'm Becky Anderson in Paris.

FOSTER: And I'm Max Foster in Nice. Do stay with CNN in the hours ahead. Both of us will be back after a short break to bring you the very latest developments on these two major stories.

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