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Trump Introduces Pence as His VP Pick; 161 People Killed in Night of Violence; Turkey Demands U.S. Based Cleric Be Extradited. Aired 4-5p ET

Aired July 16, 2016 - 16:00   ET

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HARLOW: Top of the hour. 4:00 p.m. Eastern. So glad you are with us. I'm Poppy Harlow live for you this afternoon in Cleveland. And you are watching CNN's special live coverage of the Republican National Convention. In just two days, all eyes will be right here on Cleveland for one of the biggest political events of the year. The Republican National Convention. It is expected to bring in 50,000 more people to this city and the nation got its first look at the GOP ticket in full today.

Donald Trump and his new running mate Mike Pence appearing together this morning in New York. And while there are reports that Trump waivered on his decision whether or not to pick the Indiana Governor, our Dana Bash reporting exactly that Trump insisted Mike Pence was his first choice.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I found the leader who will help us deliver a safe society, and a prosperous - really prosperous society for all Americans. Indiana Governor Mike Pence was my first choice. I have admired the work he has done, especially in the state of Indiana.

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HARLOW: Let's go live to Florida Governor Rick Scott. He endorsed Donald Trump. He joins me now. Thank you for being with me sir. GOV. RICK SCOTT (R), FLORIDA: I look forward to seeing you next week,

Poppy. It's going to be a great convention.

HARLOW: I know you are on your way here to Cleveland. We will all be here. We already are. You are taking the stage. You are one of the big speakers. Have you written those remarks? Have you written your speech yet?

SCOTT: I have written the speech, I've been practicing the speech. I'm really excited to be able to do this. I'm going to do everything I can of course to make sure Donald Trump is the next president of the United States. It's going to be exciting to be at the convention.

HARLOW: Yes. How does one practice their convention speech? I mean, you don't have a stage to practice. Are you walking around the house practicing in front of your wife and kids in in the bathroom mirror? How are you doing it? And what's the main message -- on a more serious note, what's the message?

SCOTT: Sure. So, you are absolutely right. I'm practicing at my house. You know, Poppy, remember, I am a business guy that ran for the first time, six years ago to be governor of Florida. And so, this is a significant opportunity for me to do everything I can to help Donald Trump win. But everything I'm going to be talking about is why Donald Trump needs to be the next president of the United States. We need somebody that is going to sit there and focus every day on how we create American jobs, how we destroy ISIS, how we're going to build our military. Those are things that are most important to me and most important I think to Donald Trump.

HARLOW: So, let's talk about his VP pick. He picks Mike Pence, a total social conservative to try to help him with that base. At the same time, our Dana Bash has reported that up until Thursday, midnight Trump was wavering, he asked his team, can we go back on this decision even after he'd already called and offered it. That his gut said Chris Christie. But the decision he made is the decision in line with what his family wanted, what his advisors wanted. They saw Mike Pence as the safe bet. They wanted that. Do you see this choice, not going with his gut as a more presidential Trump?

SCOTT: I think first of all I think it's a great choice. I've known both Donald and Mike for a long time. Mike is a very successful governor. I clearly have a bias for governors. But he also has experience in the executive branch. But also ten years plus in Congress. And so he knows -- he has relationships there, he knows how Congress works. He is going to focus on how one -- first how do we get Donald Trump elected? Then once elected, how do we implement Donald Trump's agenda. And so I think was a very good choice.

HARLOW: But that's not what I asked. What I ask, is this a more presidential choice? The fact that all of our reporting shows that Donald Trump ignored his gut on this one.

SCOTT: You know, Poppy, I don't know the behind the scenes. I just know Mike is a good choice. Chris Christie is a good friend. I'm sure Chris Christie is going to be part of the administration. There is going to be a lot of us that want to do everything we can to help Donald Trump succeed and get his agenda. We have got to get this country turned around, we have got to get the American jobs going, destroy ISIS, build this military.

HARLOW: So, you've endorsed Donald Trump but a former governor certainly will not be voting from. And that is Jeb Bush. Jeb Bush penned an op-ed in The Washington Post today. Here's part of it. He wrote, "I haven't decided how I'll vote in November, whether I will support the libertarian ticket or write-in a candidate." No matter how you spin it, this is an example of a party divided. How does it not help Hillary Clinton when a fellow prominent Florida Republican is voting for someone else?

[16:05:25] SCOTT: Yes. Look, the big differences here are not between different Republicans. But the big difference is between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump is a business person, Hillary Clinton has never created --

HARLOW: That's exactly what we're saying from Jeb Bush.

SCOTT: Well, if you look at Donald Trump had a significant one in my home state in Florida. And he did it, because he talked about what is important to Americans. Jobs, American jobs. He was very focused on building a military and destroying ISIS. That's why he won. That's what this election is going to be about. There is a significant difference between Hillary, the career politician, who's never build a private sector job, who had her chance to destroy ISIS and failed. Donald Trump, he is going to destroy ISIS, he is going to create jobs, American jobs, he is going to bring them back, and he is and going to build our military.

HARLOW: All right. I want to talk about language, and rhetoric. When you talk about other Floridians in government positions and you look at Marco Rubio, Senator Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, I mean, Trump used very negative language toward them. Little Marco, he nicknamed him low energy, Jeb Bush. Is that language that you are comfortable with? We know you are backing Trump but do you want to see a change in the language going forth? Is that language you were comfortable with?

SCOTT: Every candidate when they run, you know, is different. We're all different and we all run our campaigns differently. But in the end, I mean, look, Donald Trump is direct. He is blunt, he's -- you know, he is a different candidate. But you know, he got his message across. And Americans trust him because I know we've got to stop being -- we've got to change what we're doing because what we're doing is not working. Barack Obama's policies have not worked.

We need jobs. We need American jobs. You know, not saying radical Islam is a mistake. We've got to have a president that's going to say, there is radical Islam out there. Look at my state. We had 49 people murdered because of an ISIS inspired terrorist in my home state. We have got to have a president that's going to stay, we're going to stop this and we're going to talk about, this is radical Islam.

HARLOW: On that point -- and I'm glad you bring it up because we do need to talk about the terror attack here. This follows the horrific attack in France. Eighty four people died. The attack in Orlando, 49 deaths. In Bangladesh, we saw hostages held at a restaurant, 20 people killed. I mean, there is an evolving state of terrorism in this world. And when it comes to your state, Governor, Florida, what is Florida doing differently right now to try to prevent the next Orlando?

SCOTT: Poppy, we lost a journalist in 2014. We lost 49 people about a month ago and we have individuals in the hospital. All right? And then we had a young lady that was in Bangladesh, from Miami that's killed. So, radical Islam, this terrorism is impacting my state. So, what I'm doing is doing everything I can to coordinated all of our activities between the federal, state and local law enforcement, making sure they are sharing information as to the extent they can, get people to work together.

Because, look, we have to understand that terrorism is not just in a foreign country. Terrorism is in Florida. It's in the United States. Those attacks are attacks on Americans and on our way of life. I want a president that's going to say, I am going, ifs, ands or buts about it. I mean, Donald Trump is going to be very direct. He will wipe ISIS off the face of the earth. And that's what I want. Poppy, go through --

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SCOTT: And you sit there like I did with those families. Poppy, I sat down with those families and watched them cry and cried with them about losing their loved ones. I mean, when you sit down and do that, you want a president that's going to say, this is radical Islam, this is terrorism, this has got to stop.

HARLOW: And I think, and Governor, I sat with those families when I was in Paris after the horrific attack in November. And I hear you a hundred percent. And those that are on the fence tell me, especially here in Cleveland, folks I talked to last night, some of them say I like the language I'm hearing from Donald Trump on defeating ISIS but I don't have the specifics, I don't know how he is going to do it and I think Hillary Clinton has more experience on that front. What do you say to them? Are you concerned that there aren't specifics yet?

SCOTT: Poppy, look at Hillary's experience. She failed. She was -- she was the Secretary of State of the Obama administration. They failed. They failed. They failed. They failed. They failed. I want to give Donald Trump the chance because here's the guy -- why are business people successful? Because they are focused on the result. Donald Trump will focus on the result and get the result. Hillary Clinton will not focus on it.

HARLOW: But at what point?

SCOTT: She won't talk about it.

[16:10:20] HARLOW: I hear you that Hillary Clinton is -- I hear you that Hillary Clinton is part and parcel of the Obama administration strategy although she was more hawkish she had said she would have a no-fly zone over Syria. But I hear that point. However, what about the specifics from Donald Trump? We are in the week when he will be named your party's man for the job, for the White House. At what point do we need more specifics from his camp on how he will carry that out, how he will destroy ISIS?

SCOTT: Sure. I'm sure as a campaign goes on -- like a lot of issues, there will be more specifics. I assume by both candidates.

HARLOW: But when? We've been hearing that for a long time. When?

SCOTT: Yes. You know, I'm sure it will happen over the next, you know, next few months it has too. But look you have a choice. You have a business person that has success and you have Hillary Clinton who had the opportunity and absolutely failed. I will take -- I will take the person that is a business person that is focused on destroying ISIS and says he will -- he will say radical Islam. I mean right now the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton, they will not focus on it. They've had their chance. I'm ready for a change. I'm ready for somebody that says I am going to make this a priority. I'll figure it out.

HARLOW: Rick Scott, thank you so much for being with us. And just for all our viewers I sat down last night with a group of female voters here in Cleveland. We talked a lot about this, the terror threat and what they want from the different candidates. So, stay with us. In our 7 p.m. hour, you will hear directly from that on exactly what the governor was just talking about. Our thanks to Rick Scott.

You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM. You just heard Florida Governor backing Donald Trump. But plenty of Republicans are still determined to stop the GOP from choosing him as their party's nominee for the White House. Their chance of the vet fading fast, we will talk to one of the people though leading that charge.

Also this. After the vicious terror attack in Nice, France, how will contenders for the White House make their case for who they think will do the best job of keeping America safe?

We have our very own Brooke Baldwin live for us in Nice tonight on all of that. Brooke.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Poppy, it's just after 10:00 here along the beautiful Promenade where way too many people lost their lives just about two days ago at this very time. We'll get an update this evening on the children, those who were injured right here along the stretch of that, pedestrian walkway. And also we'll talk about the attacker, the one word ISIS is using today to describe him. You are watching CNN.

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[16:15:58] HARLOW: Right now, Turkey a key NATO U.S. partner is in absolute chaos. It has been just a matter of hours since military element tried to stage a coup, a coup that failed but their attempt to take over the Erdogan government. The declared martial law flank Istanbul into chaos, in the streets, and the Turkish president is now backing control and he is pointing the finger blaming one man for leading that coup attempt, a man he wants arrested. The challenges, that man lives in the United States. He is a 75-year-old cleric who exiled himself to Pennsylvania of all places in the late 1990s. That's him right there.

Back in Turkey, the street violence and did overnight gunfire killed at least 161 people. More than 1,000 people were injured. Our Ian Lee is live in Istanbul for us tonight. And Ian it is now past 11:00 p.m. there. Twenty four hours ago, absolute mayhem. We were all glued to the television. Couldn't believe what was going on. I mean, CNN Turk, our television station over there, at one point was -- was turned off, was evacuated in the midst of being on the air. Things have changed so dramatically on the streets of Istanbul. Would you call it calm at this point?

IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Poppy, as far as any sort of potential coup or aftermath is concerned, it's definitely calmed down. You are right, 24 hours ago there was gunfire and explosions echoing throughout Istanbul. And right now behind me you can probably hear, these are the supporters of Erdogan coming out in the thousands to here in Taksim Square, a call that was made by Erdogan and his administration to get their supporters, a show of force against the coup to show that he has the will of the people. And in the meantime, they have been rounding up a number of people, 2800 military officers, various ranks have been arrested and 2700 judiciary officials have been removed. So a crackdown has begun there as well -- Poppy.

HARLOW: I want to talk about the man. Let's pull him up on the screen so people can talk about the man at the center of a lot of this right now. And this is a Muslim cleric who lives in exile here in the United States. His name is Fethullah Gulen. He was actually be a friend, a very close friend, an ally of Erdogan. The two had a major falling out. And Erdogan is pointing fingers at him saying you incited this, you start this coup attempt from your home in the United States. What more do we know?

LEE: Well, that's right. They had a close friendship, a major falling out. Now Erdogan basically accused Gulen of being behind any sort of unrest and trying to undermine his administration. And that's when we see those arrests of not only the military but also the removal of those judges. That is significant because he is known, Gulen is known as to having influence within the judiciary, within the police forces. And we've seen a crackdown there as well. Although Gulen is denying it. He is saying it could have been anyone behind the coup.

HARLOW: Ian Lee live for us in Istanbul tonight. We will update you on that story as it develops. Thank you so much, Ian.

Coming up next, memorials across Europe for victims of Thursday's horrific terror attack in Southern France. A child now identified in a Nice hospital. And relatives searching for his parents.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [16:23:30] HARLOW: All right. I want to take you back now live to France. Today memorials are underway for the hundreds and hundreds of those injured and the 84 lives taken. Still you've got hundreds of victims recovering from Thursday's truck attack in the hospital.

My colleague Brooke Baldwin is live for us in Nice tonight. Brooke.

BALDWIN: Poppy, good evening. Again, you know, before we get to the feel of Nice two days later. I mean it was about this time two nights ago when this entire Promenade was packed with the vice mayor quoted me something like 60,000 people and a lot of families right are watching the fireworks, and taking in the music celebrating. Let me first get to the number of developments we have, as far as the attacker goes, and the why.

First, French officials today are saying if this attacker was radicalized, that's still a big F, they have no concrete evidence yet. If he was, the French interior administrator says it happened very, very quickly so fast. He was not actually on anyone's radar. It was a virtual unknown. It was a quote we keep seeing. Also today, we have heard from the ISIS media wing. Yes, they have that. They posted a statement claiming the attacker was a soldier in their cause. No proof of that. But that is at least their statement today. They are not claiming responsibility per se, but again calling him a soldier.

Also today France is calling for volunteers to help maintain military strength. The country is asking all French people and patriots to join on the reserves to help monitor roads, and secure the border and really just to maintain the security that they have had to have since the "Charlie Hebdo" attack last January. Back here on the Promenade just checking the time. It's just about10:30 at night. And there are lots and lots of people out and about. Many people here on holiday on vacation.

They are mingling, they're trying to enjoy themselves. They are eating dinner, having some champagne on a weekend just about 48 hours since this truck, you know, careened through this crowd. Just back this way on this pedestrian walkway right along the gorgeous Mediterranean ocean killing 84 people. Just sit with that number for a moment. Eighty four people, including ten children. And injured more than 200 others -- Poppy.

[16:25:50] HARLOW: And I think Brooke one of the images that stands out most in my mind, seeing that from afar, is when someone described a program, a baby carriage, left in the aftermath of the attack. There are so many children right now fighting for their lives in the hospital, aren't there?

BALDWIN: Five of them right now are in intensive care. I'm glad you asked about the kids because it is these crushed strollers that you can't -- they are just haunting images from this Promenade. Five in intensive care. Of the 30 people who are admitted last two nights ago to the hospital I can tell you a third of them are under the age of five. Five years of age. Ten kids have been operated on. No one -- no limb was amputated but you know, just to underscore what we've been hearing from our crews who have been at the hospitals, these doctors -- it's one thing -- sadly, you know, some doctors in France are familiar with responding to terror attacks and guns and a bullet wound is considered more a less a clean wound.

But when you are dealing with not only being hit by a truck ramming into you, but then being trampled by people fleeing for their lives, it created a different kind of injury that doctors here in Nice just weren't at all anticipating -- Poppy.

HARLOW: It's unbelievable. Three major attacks there in France in just 18 months. "Charlie Hebdo," the Bataclan, and now Nice targeted. Brooke, thank you so much. Live for us tonight in France.

Coming up, we come back to politics here in Cleveland. And you heard a lot about it. The Never Trump movement. So, is Never Trump Never more as Trump's head of his campaign says, or not?

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TRUMP: I won't say it because for party unity, I'll say they are wonderful people. OK? Never Trump they said, Never Trump, Never Trump. Oh, we're going to win.

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[16:30:57] HARLOW: Welcome back. Live in Cleveland this afternoon. This is the site of the 2016 Republican National Convention.

And as we await hearing from Donald Trump, who will take the stage here on Thursday, a setback for the never Trump Republicans here. They failed to change party rules that would have allowed them to reopen the nomination. While they may have lost that battle they are not totally giving up their fight and their message.

Let's bring in Steve Lonegan. He's part of the GOP's never Trump movement and a former Ted Cruz backer. Also, joining me, CNN delegate analyst and former RNC chief of staff, Mike Shields. He's president of the super PAC dedicated to advocating for conservative issues in electing Republicans to Congress.

Thank you, gentlemen, both for being here. I appreciate it very much.

Steve, we've had you on many times in the past.

STEVE LONEGAN, NEVER TRUMP MOVEMENT: Yes.

HARLOW: And we've talked about never Trump. Paul Manafort came on NEW DAY yesterday. I was sitting in for Alisyn with Chris Cuomo. And he said, and I saw him, never Trump is never more. You say, sir?

LONEGAN: Well, listen, I just want to make it clear that the never Trump movement is different than our effort to unbind the delegates and allow them to go into the convention and vote their conscience and pick the best candidate capable of defeating Hillary Clinton and upholding our conservative party platform. That's a little bit different, because if Donald Trump is the nominee, our PAC will support the entire Republican ticket.

So, that's just minor clarification but kind of important. The bottom line is a huge effort has taken place to attempt to unbind the delegates. RNC has used all their power and all their clout to make sure that doesn't happen. That's what we expected. I knew we had a high goal to reach by unbinding the delegates. But I want to remind people the last time the RNC came down like a ton of bricks on the rules committee to make sure their nominee get through was 1976.

HARLOW: Right, the last contested convention, 1976.

LONEGAN: That's right. And that was to block a man named Ronald Reagan because they thought he could come in and take out the presumptive nominee. And he may have and probably would have, and that gave us Jimmy Carter as president.

HARLOW: The vote yesterday, you guys lost 87-12. What can you do now?

LONEGAN: We can continue to work. And Kendal and Ron will continue to work to try to get to a minority report. I don't think that's very likely. Look, I think it's pretty likely that Donald Trump is going to be the nominee.

HARLOW: Just for our viewers, so they know. Let's back up here. Minority report, this would take place on Monday. They have to get 28 signatories.

LONEGAN: Kendal has until the meeting to get 28 people to sign. That means 16 people who already didn't stand up. And it was a stand up vote, standing up for what you believe in. It is a hard push to do that.

HARLOW: It is a hard push.

Let's listen to -- I want to continue the conversation and listen to what Paul Ryan said about all of this. Let's play it.

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REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: It is not my job as chairman of the convention to tell the delegates how to run their convention. It is my job to take the rules that they write for the convention and make sure those rules are applied equally, honestly, and transparently. So I make sure that I do not comment, because I won't, put my thumb on the scale as to what these delegates do.

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HARLOW: Mike, to you -- what answer did you want from Paul Ryan on that?

LONEGAN: That was my question, by the way, he was responding to. MARK SHIELDS, CNN DELEGATE ANALYST: When he said the RNC came down

against the unbind things. These were the delegates. This isn't the RNC in terms of Reince Priebus, the chairman of the party. These are duly elected delegates who are elected in the states. The unbind folks and all the other rules change, folks have an open process, the ability to offer amendments.

I think we started at 8:00 in the morning and went 10:30 at night. Plenty of amendments were brought up. They just failed. They lost. They lost the votes amongst the delegates.

So, that really effectively ended the never Trump, technically ended it for sort of change, unbinding the delegates and doing something to the convention.

What they want to do after that is a different story. But at the convention, in terms of the rules, Paul Ryan doesn't have a lot of decisions to make because they have been made at the rules committee.

HARLOW: So, Steve, then the question becomes where do you go from here? What do you do come Friday morning, July 22nd. What do you do? Do you vote for Gary Johnson, do you vote for a write in like Jeb Bush said in "The Washington Post" this morning he might. What's your play here?

[16:35:01] LONEGAN: Well, despite the fact that I don't believe the party is going to pick the very best candidate to defeat Hillary Clinton or uphold our Republican Party platform, it is our best shot at defeating Hillary Clinton. We're going to have to do everything we can to make sure that happens. It's going to be an uphill battle however I believe. But that remains to be seen.

Look, I want to talk about Monday, what can take place Monday. This is important, this is about Paul Ryan. He can choose to allow the rules to be voted on separately. Instead of all on one block, there will be a motion to adopt the entire accept all the rules in one shot, like a consensus agenda as we recall when I was the mayor, they will call for one single vote.

There's another thing that could take place. They can break up those rules and have debate on each rule.

HARLOW: So, Mike, should that happen? I mean, with your perspective, former chief of staff for the RNC, should that happen? Will that happen?

SHIELDS: No, I don't think it should because the rules committee heard all these amendments and most of them were killed. It wasn't even close. I mean, the unbind rule lost. They got 12 votes. So, I think if they got the signatures to do a minority report, that sort of like an amendment that can be voted on by the entire and for accommodation and bring that --

HARLOW: Steve is about to jump out --

LONEGAN: I am. Because within that block of rules, rule 37B -- at last month we heard, these delegates are bound. They are bound to vote for the -- why did we have to pass a rule, Mike, 37B in the rules committee that says the delegates are bound? Why are they going to vote to bind themselves on Monday night?

HARLOW: Your response?

LONEGAN: They could pull that rule out and debate it on the floor.

SHIELDS: Of course they could. Co they could have pulled it out in the rules committee. That's the place to do. So, sure, every single rule of the convention is decided by the delegates for the delegates. The delegates make all the decision. It starts with the rules committee. The delegates in the rules committee made a bunch of decisions.

They are going to bring it to the floor. I think it might be a bit of a show to split it up and make it a point of things that aren't going to win. I don't think that's in the interest of the party considering they are almost conceding we're not really going to get anywhere with this, so we're doing this to make a point.

LONEGAN: I don't know about that. If you pull 37B out and having voted separately and death these delegates may not want to bind themselves.

HARLOW: Finally, one word answer, yes or no. Steve to you first, and to you, Mike -- will Donald Trump emerge Friday morning, will Donald Trump be the nominee?

LONEGAN: Most likely.

SHIELDS: Yes.

HARLOW: All right. Thank you, gentlemen.

You agree on that. You can keep fighting in the commercial break though.

All right. Mike Shields, Steve Lonegan, thank you so much.

Coming up live in the CNN NEWSROOM, the politics of fear, another terrorist attack in France mass casualties and a coup attempt last night in Turkey. The events all highlighting very different strategies, very different rhetoric from Trump and Clinton. But what are voters feeling here what do they need from their next president?

On that front, straight ahead.

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[16:41:18] HARLOW: Welcome back to our live coverage here in Cleveland at the RNC.

Whether it is Dallas or Nice or Paris or Orlando or Istanbul, this convention kicks off as cities in the United States and around are coping with grief and devastation inflected by terrorists. The threat and how to confront it will no doubt shape many of the speeches you will hear live from Cleveland this week and later this morning at the DNC in Philadelphia.

A CBS/"New York Times" poll shows this, let's pull it up, that Americans are split right down the middle when it comes to which candidates they think will do a better job at fighting terrorism. During his speech this morning, Mike Pence, Donald Trump's running mate slammed Hillary Clinton's track record as secretary of state.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: After four years of Clinton, who really led the way and led Obama down a horrible path because I don't even think he could have made these decisions so badly, she led him right down a horrible path. He didn't know what he was doing.

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HARLOW: I misspoke, obviously Donald Trump there slamming Clinton's record on fighting ISIS. Clinton in return releasing this ad.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are you consulting with consistently so that you are ready on day one?

TRUMP: I'm speaking with myself because I have a very good brain. My primary consultant is myself.

AD ANNOUNCER: While Donald Trump consulted with himself, as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton negotiated a ceasefire in Gaza, a reduction in nuclear weapons, took on Vladimir Putin and stood up against the trafficking of human beings, a steady leader in an unsteady world.

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HARLOW: Let's debate it. CNN political commentators Paul Begala and Kayleigh McEnany are with me. Paul is a Clinton supporter. Kayleigh supports Donald Trump. Thank you both for being here.

Paul, let me begin with you. You can't get around the fact that Hillary Clinton was part of the Obama administration. And this is what I heard from some undecided voters here in Cleveland last night who said to me part of their problem is they feel like they are living in a more dangerous world and they feel like this administration hasn't done enough to fight ISIS and they tie Clinton to the administration.

How do you fight that?

PAUL BEGALA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: First, we lived in a more dangerous world since (INAUDIBLE). The question is, in a volatile world, do you want to volatile president?

Donald Trump again, I not only support Hillary, I advise her super PAC. Our super PAC is showing an ad right now with General Paul Eaton, a general who 30 years led American troops and often in dangerous combat situations who looks right at you and says this is not a man you can trust with our lives. And that's the ultimate question.

The more the voters look at it as less of a reality show and less as showbiz which they think do we want that finger on the button of a nuclear weapon. You're going to see. It's tied right now, tied. You're going to see that gap grow.

HARLOW: Independent Senator Angus King came on "NEW DAY" this week and he said, I've decided to endorse Hillary Clinton because of that, because of who will pick the red phone, who will hit the button if you will. Kayleigh, let's pull up the polling guide that shows that -- Americans believe Trump would be more effective in fighting is. When you ask specifically about ISIS that's who would be better at handling terrorism. But let's look at the next poll, 52 to 49 percent said Trump will be better at handling is. I just had Rick Scott on and pressed him on where the specifics, because we haven't gotten the specifics from the Trump camp on how he would eliminate ISIS. Rick Scott said that will come when he is president.

Isn't it time for some details?

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, a number of things he said are specific. First of all the recognition that terrorism starts at our border, that people get into the country and then want to wage terrorism as we saw in San Bernardino.

[16:45:08] HARLOW: I'm talking about ISIS specifically, but OK.

MCENANY: Sure. That includes ISIS. You look at terrorists over the last ten years or more than 15 years, 580 convicted terrorist, 380 were foreign born. Donald Trump has the strength and resolve to recognize that.

HARLOW: Building a wall doesn't help what's happening with Syria.

MCENANY: It helps part of it.

HARLOW: How?

MCENANY: And so, the temporary ban from terrorist countries --

HARLOW: How does that help?

MCENANY: -- that stops people, ISIS terrorists who are posing as refugees from getting into our country. That is what happened in Paris, where the guy who blew himself up outside of a soccer stadium was in fact someone who posed as a refugee.

So, Donald Trump is willing to say, we're going to temporarily stop this until we figure out what's going on. Unlike Hillary Clinton who every time there is a terrorist attack, the

answer is to lecture Americans on being tolerant towards Islam. That is not an answer to terrorism, working with our allies, which we're already doing is her only solution to ISIS and defeating ISIS.

HARLOW: Hillary Clinton came out on CNN's program "NEW DAY" just a few weeks ago after the Istanbul attack there. She said it, I'll call it radical Islam, right? She said, from my perspective it matters what we do rather than what we say. She said whether you call it radical jihadism or radical Islam, I am happy to say either.

That's been a real point of attack for a lot of folks in your camp who say she won't say it, she is saying it.

MCENANY: Sure. But here's what she won't do, is recognize that something needs to change at our borders. When you ask her what's the solution to terrorists posing as refugees, which the director of national security has said, you had the FBI director, you had the director of the CIA say we can't adequately vet these refugees, when asked about how to stop that, first solution she says increase refugees by 500 percent.

Donald Trump recognizes the problem. Hillary Clinton won't talk about it.

HARLOW: So, Paul Begala, your response to that? Because Kayleigh is saying, look, you have got look here at home, he has been specific in terms of what he would in terms about immigration.

BEGALA: His idea of banning Muslims. And now, oh, from countries where there's terrorism. Well, there's a lot of terrorism in France. He hasn't said which countries, hasn't named which countries.

He called for originally -- a direct quote, "a total and complete shutdown of all Muslims entering America" and then in Trump fashion said "until we figure out what the hell is going on". But we have figured it out.

By the way, if you care about border security, Barack Obama has put more armed personnel on the U.S.-Mexico border since Woodrow Wilson was chasing Pancho Villa. So, the problem is allowed to flourish in a fact-free zone, OK? We have the most secure U.S.-Mexico -- I go down there, deer hunting down there, I have been down there. It is an armed zone.

And, by the way, illegal immigration is a net negative. Mexicans are going home. Not staying here. Trump's wall will only stop their departure.

HARLOW: Final thought, Kayleigh.

BEGALA: He's demagogue this in really --

MCENANY: Hillary Clinton has been wrong on every single major foreign policy in the last decade. That includes ISIS. Rudy Giuliani stood on the convention floor in 2008 and said Democrats are denying the major security problem that this country faces which is terrorism, and you can't defeat a problem when you deny it. That was in 2008. He was pressing it. Democrats are still denying the problem.

BEGALA: So, we're going to hire a bankcrupt casino operator who has no idea what we're doing. Somebody needs to ask him, I'm going to bomb the dodo out of ISIS, really? What do you think we're doing now?

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HARLOW: I know you are a Trump supporter, but would you like -- you don't agree with him on everything, would you like to hear this week more specifics on him on how he will carry this fight out abroad.

MCENANY: I don't think because I think he has given more specifics than Hillary Clinton and I want to see the same strength that has made him 13 points ahead of her when voters look to ISIS.

HARLOW: Kayleigh, Paul, thank you. We'll continue it. We appreciate it.

Coming up live here in the CNN NEWSROOM we are live as I said at the site of the Republican national convention in Cleveland. We will hit the streets of Cleveland and look at how the latest terror attacks overseas -- how it's all impacting the major, major security operation right here, right now, next.

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[16:52:41] HARLOW: Right now, this city, Cleveland, is beefing up security for the Republican national convention. The party's presumptive nominee is someone who is seen frankly a lot of unrest outside at many of his campaign rallies. Take a look at this. These are protesters breaking through police barricades outside of a Trump rally in Albuquerque, new Mexico, back in may.

So, police in Cleveland right now are preparing to deal potentially with situations like this during the RNC this week.

CNN law enforcement analyst Bob Reid is with us. He's a former sheriff of Cuyahoga County here in the state of Ohio.

Who knows what's going to happen here? But I know just getting to the set today and RNC hasn't even started, I had to we have been my way through barricades that were twice my height.

BOB REID, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Yes.

HARLOW: What are they preparing for here? How ready are they?

REID: When you go through those barricades it is a delicate balance for law enforcement in recognition that they are going to be able to get EMS and fire trucks and so forth through those. And at the same time making sure that the bad guys won't get through it as well. They have part of their protocol is truck attack issues. They have in their protocol now that they will not allow trucks for this next week into the venue, the 1.7 mile venue without first being expected and without having an escort.

HARLOW: When you talk about the open carry law here. A colleague of mine earlier today said she saw a man walking around with a rifle. There is open carry in Ohio. That's what it is.

Was it a smart idea to allow that to persist within this security zone and not to pass a special ordinance to say you can't have open carry of weapons for this week at this venue?

REID: The 1.7 mile venue, they cannot carry firearms as, you know. And the police union president has said it is so dumb for them to be able to keep firearms. I don't believe it would have been stepping on the Constitution for four or five days to have passed an ordinance that said that you can't carry.

I don't know the reasons why they didn't do that. But I'm sure that there was some legal issues that they didn't want to get involved in.

HARLOW: As a former sheriff, what is the challenge for you then if there is open carry and there is disturbance?

[16:55:01] Is it about knowing who you are going after, frankly?

REID: It's dangerous, for both sides. One you have civilians that are now carrying firearms that maybe they are not as familiar with as police officers are. You could have an accidental discharge. If you have an accidental discharge, the good guys don't know who the bad guys are. Now there would absolutely be an exchange of gunfire.

HARLOW: This is the state of play, this is what we're going into Monday with, right?

REID: We are.

HARLOW: You do the best we can.

REID: We do the best we can. And we hope -- we have told people that we frown on the issue of open carry. But some people, they don't care. And they are going to open so we just have to be diligent. We have to make sure that we -- and we are hoping for some voluntary compliance. How much we're going to get, I don't know.

HARLOW: All right. Bob Reid, thank you so much. Good luck to you your team and everyone here. They are bringing in thousands of police officers from out of the state, out of the city to try to help with this.

REID: They are. Thank you.

HARLOW: Thank you very much my coming up live here in the newsroom. We will hear from Mike Pence, Donald Trump's newly selected vice presidential candidate. He is headed back home after that big announcement in New York this morning, to a rally in his home state of Indiana. We'll have that as our special live coverage from Cleveland continues, right after this.

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HARLOW: Top of the hour, 5:00 p.m. Eastern. So glad you are with us. I'm Poppy Harlow live for in Cleveland this weekend.