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Britain's New Prime Minister Begins Term; Italian Train Crash Caused by Human Error?; Trump to Annouce Running Mate on Friday; Secretary Kerry to Meret with Russian President in Moscow; Japanese Emperor Thinking of Stepping Down Due to Age; Trump Testimony in Trump University Case May Be Released. Aired 3-4a ET

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[03:00:00] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN NEWSROOM SHOW HOST: Britain's new Prime Minister begins her first full day on the job amid questions about some top Cabinet positions.

The Italian prosecutors focus on human error as the possible cause of a deadly train crash.

And Donald Trump says he'll announce his running mate on Friday.

Hello and welcome to our viewers all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church. And this is CNN Newsroom.

Less than a day into the job, Britain's new Prime Minister is all about business. She will have to delicately manage the country's Brexit from the European Union and she's wasted no time picking some of the Cabinet leaders who will help her do it.

Our international diplomatic editor, Nic Robertson reports from London.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: At this moment, with the Queen, Theresa May became Britain's 76th Prime Minister. From the get-go, under intense scrutiny tracks by news cameras, as she drove to begin her new job.

Posing at the Door Number 10, the new P.M. promising continuity, praising her predecessor.

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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: David's true legacy is not about the economy, but about social justice. From the introduction of same- sex marriage to taking people on low wages out of income tax altogether, David Cameron has led a one-nation government and it is in that spirit that I also plan to lead.

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ROBERTSON: But with the soft, there was the stern. May already living up to her reputation as a tough negotiator, warning Scotts against aspirations of independence.

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MAY: The full title of my party is the Conservative and Unionist Party. And that word, unionist, is very important to me. It means we believe in the union. The precious, precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland

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ROBERTSON: And barely had the famous doors shut behind her than the new Cabinet began arriving. First, Phillip Hammond going in as Foreign Secretary, exiting with the top job, Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Finance Minister.

Next up, Boris Johnson, flamboyant former London Mayor, leader of the Brexit campaign. Now, unexpectedly for many, May's pick for Foreign Secretary. The new P.M. living up to another reputation, too. A hard worker. The appointments kept coming.

Amber Rudd, a remain campaigner, filling May's old shoes as Home Secretary. Remembering how Rudd and Johnson on opposite sites sides fought viciously in the Brexit referendum campaign. May's appointments seeking to unify her party.

And for the key new job, negotiating Britain's exit from the E.U., a Brexiteer, David Davis, all appointments to respect the Brexit mandate and head off concerns she might not deliver. How fast the change had come.

Early hours earlier, David Cameron saying farewell at the same door.

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DAVID CAMERON, FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: And as we leave for the last time, my only wish is continued success for this great country that I love so very much.

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ROBERTSON: Days like this in British politics are rare and there will be many people across the country breathing a sigh of relief that at least some of the upheaval is done.

Nic Robertson, CNN, London.

CHURCH: And with Theresa May, 13 British Prime Ministers have now served the Queen during his six decades on the throne, going all the way back to Winston Churchill.

And CNN political contributor, Robin Oakley has covered more than half of those Prime Ministers. He joins us now from 10 Downing Street.

So, Robin, Theresa May has begun her selection of Cabinet ministers, as we said, surprising many by choosing Brexit campaigner Boris Johnson as the Foreign Secretary given the questionable things he has said publicly about various world leaders. Why would she pick Johnson for the U.K.'s top diplomatic post and what's been the reaction so far?

ROBIN OAKLEY, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I think we have to see Boris Johnson's appointment as part of a set. What she's done is to put Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary and two other right-wingers leave campaigners, one of them running the Brexit ministry, that's David Davis, and Liam Fox, the Former Defense Minister, running a new international trade department.

[03:05:06] And she's done is to really give all the jobs chiefly concerned with taking Britain out of the European Union to those who campaigned strongly for it. It's almost as if she's saying look, this is what you've always wanted, because she was a remainer, you wanted this, now you get and get it sorted out.

Putting Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary is an extraordinary gamble. We had Theresa May down everybody assumed her as a very cautious politician not given to very bold strokes. Somebody who really thought things out carefully.

Now, she is showing herself a gambler by appointing Boris Johnson. As you say, he's done -- he's said all sorts of controversial things about different world leaders. He had to go at President Obama, talking about his part Kenyan ancestry and saying he was anti-colonial and, therefore, anti-Britain.

He once described Hillary Clinton as looking like a nurse, a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital. Well, Boris Johnson is first of all going to have to mend a few fences. I mean, he describe the European Union and the campaigners compared it to Nazi, Germany.

So, it is a risk. And what Boris Johnson brings to the job is a tremendous ability to get on with people, to charm people. He's a very charismatic figure. He's one of the few British politicians really well known across the world, he the London mayor, he hosted the Olympics, for example.

And he does speak French. He speaks German. He had experience of working in Brussels for many years as a journalist. So, Boris Johnson brings some qualities to the job. Nobody doubts his intelligence. What people do worry about is his tendency to get into a mess by saying controversial things, Rosemary.

CHURCH: Yes. And social media certainly had a lot to say about that. We'll check that a little later in the show. But Prime Minister May has more picks to make today of course. What can we expect from that and what will her second day likely look like?

OAKLEY: Well, the key thing I think today, is she has promised to bring more gender equality in her Cabinet to bring more women into the Cabinet. I think David Cameron had seven in all. We will expect most of the appointments we hear of today to be appointing other women to key posts in Cabinet.

We've got education, health, for example, to be settled. One of the interesting things will be to see what she does with Andrea Leadsom who was the other name on the ticket for the conservative leadership and therefore, for the Prime Minister's job who, you know, gifted the job to Theresa May by dropping out of the contest.

She, of course, was another strong leave campaigner. I think perhaps Theresa May is making a point by leaving any appointment she gives her to the second day because Andrea Leadsom was originally going to back Boris Johnson and except to be Chancellor of the Exchequer if he'd won the job.

So, we've got Amber Rudd as Home Secretary. We'll get more women in jobs today, I think Rosemary.

CHURCH: All right. And I know you'll be watching very closely. It's just after 8 in the morning there in London. Our Robin Oakley talking to us there from 10 Downing Street. Many thanks to you.

Well, let's check some other news now. And U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is heading to Moscow in just a few hours to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Kerry is expected to discuss how to de-escalate the fighting in Syria. Some U.S. State Department officials are warning against sharing intelligence with Russia.

The media wing for ISIS says one of the group's top commanders is dead. It claims Omar al-Shishani seen here with a long bearded was killed in fighting south of Mosul Iraq in the last few days.

U.S. official say war planes targeted him in that area but they want to make sure they got him. The U.S. mistakenly thought he was killed in Syria back in March.

A report from Japan says Emperor Akihito is thinking about stepping down because of the advanced age. The 82-year-old monarch has held the throne since 1990.

State broadcaster, NHK reports his 56-year-old son, crowned Prince Naruhito would take the ceremonial post. Other report say palace officials are now denying all of this. We'll watch that very closely.

An Italian prosecutor says human error may be to blame for the head-on crash of two passenger trains in Southern Italy. Twenty three people were killed and at least 50 were injured in Tuesday's collision.

We want to bring in Will Ripley now, he joins us near the site of the train crash in Southern Italy. Will, Italian authorities believe human error may be to blame or theories that they're considering at this point? And just how far has the investigation progressed?

[03:10:09] WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, for the most part, the investigation has wrapped up here at this olive grove. Police are still guarding what used to be two trains and now it's essentially a pile of metal and a couple of train cars.

But now the investigation is shifting. There's a team of five magistrates that are looking into multiple man slaughter charges. This morning we have learned that the directors of the train station in Andria and Corato, those are the two stations that would have had to call each other to authorize both of those trains to go on this single track in the opposite direction.

They are suspended. They are under investigation. And we are told more people could be suspended as this investigation progresses. They're also looking into why there was a delay from when funding was approved eight years ago to improve this section of track, and yet, the project yet being put off and being put off.

Now a lot of people demanding answers here as the mourning over this tragedy continue.

This is where the passengers were sitting on two trains heading in the opposite directions at more than 100 kilometers or more than 60 miles an hour when they collided. And you can see the train car shredded apart.

In fact, these are the cars that are more intact. You can see the pile of twisted metal. Those are the cars at the very front of both trains. And the police on the scene here say the passengers in those cars didn't have a chance and may not have even known what was happening.

We met Jessepe Castelano (Ph) who identified his father's body because of the cigar cutter that he had with him that he just brought back from a vacation in Cuba.

Jessepe (Ph) says, that morning, he was supposed to get on the train with my daughter. Fortunately, my daughter woke up and wasn't feeling well. It saved her life.

Investigators are still working out here on the scene tonight. Some of them have been aware wake for more than 24 hours and they have recovered some crucial pieces of evidence.

The head of the regional railway police says there are some significant elements coming out of the two black boxes. But he says they're not the only elements. He says they've seized documents and video that will help to clarify what happened.

The key question for investigators was this a technical problem or was it human error? We know that these trains were relatively new and modern, but they were on an old line of track that relied an antiquated phone communication system.

We know that 23 people have died. For the firefighters who have been out here first looking for survivors and then for the bodies, it has been grueling, it's been exhausting and it's been very painful.

They found a mother who was holding her young child, both of them died. But they also found a 6-year-old boy who was wedged behind a piece of metal and they were able to rescue him.

The national firefighters spokesman says, "when we found him, he was alone, he was scared. he was asking for his grandparents. We had to care for him physically, but also emotionally. That boy's grandparents did not survive. They were killed along with almost two dozen others in this magled mess of a train.

That little boy's name is Samuel. We're told today is his birthday. Just one life out of so many that are forever changed because of what happened here.

The Italian President Sergio Mattarella will be traveling here to Southern Italy today. He'll be meeting with the families and the survivors in Barra. The funerals are expected to begin on Saturday, Rosemary.

CHURCH: All right. Our Will Ripley dealing with the heartbreaking aftermath there in Southern Italy. Many thanks to you for that report.

Well, some have compared it to an episode of the "Apprentice." Others say it's more like the "Hunger Games." Donald Trump prepares to pick his running mate. We'll have the details when we come back opinion.

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PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT REPORTER: Hi, there. I'm Patrick Snell with your CNN World Sport headlines.

Golf's Open Championship dates back to 1860, but the 2016 version starts on Thursday at Royal Troon Golf Club in Scotland, which is hosting the prestigious tournament for a 9th time with compelling story lines everywhere you look.

We'll be seeing four straight first time Grand Slam winner could be seen American winner at Troon for the seventh opening in had a row. If that's going to happen, then U.S. Open champ, Dustin Johnson must be a good bet for the title.

D.J. recently winning his first major Oakmont. In fact, he's looking for a third straight victory. While 2014 champ, Rory McIlroy, trying to rebound for being confident major for the first time in three years. The man from Northern Ireland looking for a fifth major in total.

In other news, defending champion Chris Froome extending his overall league at the 2016 Tour de France. It comes as Peter Sagan win stage 11 on Wednesday between Carcassonne to Montpellier.

Slovak was able to hold off Froome late sprint near the end of the stage, Froome finishing second to extend his overall lead going into third stage 12 which is already being shorten due to high winds.

After Roy Hodgson resigned as England's Boston Sunderland's Sam Allardyce has being linked to the post, Sunderland giving the English F.A. permission to speak to them. Manager Allardyce was just able to keep the black cats from being relegated from the English Premier last season.

That's a look at your CNN World Sport headlines. I'm Patrick Snell. CHURCH: Donald Trump says he'll announce his vice presidential running mate in New York on Friday. It's been a frantic few days as the presumptive republican nominee weighs his option.

CNN's White House correspondent Jim Acosta reports.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Donald Trump's season of the Apprentice V.P. stakes edition has come down to this, an Indiana cliffhanger. That's where Trump and his family huddled behind closed doors with Indiana Governor Mike Pence.

A trump campaign source told CNN their meetings over the last 24 hours went, quote, "fabulously."

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm narrowing it down. I mean, I'm at three, potentially four. But in my own mind, I probably am thinking about two.

MIKE PENCE, INDIANA GOVERNOR: Nothing was offered, nothing was accepted.

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ACOSTA: Pence got a strong try out in Indiana last night and showed off a skill that as prized by the campaign. Attacking Hillary Clinton as untrustworthy.

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PENCE: To paraphrase the director of the FBI, I think it would be extremely careless to elect Hillary Clinton as the next president of the United States.

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ACOSTA: The presumptive GOP nominee sounded impressed but unconvinced.

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TRUMP: I don't know whether he's going to be your governor or your vice president, who the hell knows?

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ACOSTA: Which explains why Trump, not only met with Pence, but other V.P. contenders, Newt Gingrich and even Senator Je Sessions who was there in Indianapolis as an adviser.

Well, he talked by phone about the number two spot with Chris Christie calling in from Washington.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER: It's a little bit like the "Apprentice" you'll find out sooner or later who the last one standing is.

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ACOSTA: Of the three finalist, Christie, Gingrich, and Pence, the choice comes down to selecting an attack dog that doesn't end up biting Trump. Christie's vetting turned up issues like the New Jersey Bridgegate scandal, but he's a fighter.

Gingrich is seen as loyal and a fierce debater but also has vetting issues, such as is campaign debt from the last election. Contrast that with Pence, whose vetting was relatively clean, but is more low key.

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TRUMP: Well, I'm not doing this as surprises. I'm not doing this for games. I'm doing this because I want to tell somebody that's going to help me get elected.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So, it's more -- it's either Pence or Gingrich.

CHRIS CHRISTIE, NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR: We need once again to have a president who puts the safety and security of our citizens first.

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ACOSTA: But it's Christie who is viewed by some inside the campaign at Trump's top choice.

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TRUMP: I'll tell you, Chris Christie is somebody I've liked a long time. He's a total professional.

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ACOSTA: First ex-rival to endorse Trump, he's now a close adviser and he's known Trump and his flair for the dramatic for year.

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CHRISTIE: When the government doesn't work out the "Apprentice" might be a really good deal for me. But Donald is a really good friend, Tanya and Melania are both good friends and he's been very kind to me and supportive.

But, you know, it's always great to have Donald Trump talking about to you because Donald Trump, you know, is as good as salesman as anybody.

(END VIDEO CLIP) [03:20:01] ACOSTA: But keep your eye on Mike Pence. The Indiana

Governor is favored by some in the family and senior campaign advisers. Trump is expected to announce his choice in an event this Friday any movement of that unveiling to the weekend before the convention with all but eliminate Pence.

He must inform Indiana officials by Friday that he's dropping out of his race for re-election as governor so he can become Trump's running mate.

Jim Acosta, CNN, Washington.

CHURCH: Democrat Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump is dividing the U.S. She campaigned Wednesday in the old statehouse in Springfield, Illinois. That's where Abraham Lincoln delivered a famous speech anti- slavery in 1858, saying a house divided by itself cannot stand.

Clinton drew parades to Trump calling his rhetoric a threat to democracy.

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HILLARY CLINTON, (D) U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: His campaign is as divisive as any we have seen in our lifetimes. It is built and stoking mistrust and pitting American against American.

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CHURCH: A new polls show the race for the White House is getting tighter, especially in several key battleground states. Surveys from Quinnipiac University show Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton in Florida, tie in Ohio, and ahead in Pennsylvania. Those leads are with the polls margins of error.

We want to take a closer look at all of this. Philip Bump is a political reporter with the Washington Post and he joins me now live. Thanks so much for being with us.

PHILIP BUMP, WASHINGTON POST POLITICAL REPORTER: My pleasure.

CHURCH: We will, of course, get back to those poll numbers in just a moment, but let's start with Donald Trump's likely vice presidential pick. He sent out a sweet saying he will announce his choice on Friday at 11 a.m. Eastern time.

Now, Philip, we know that Trump can't be split over who should be his V.P. Who is the likely favorite right now?

BUMP: I mean, it's really, really hard to say and I hate to have a hedge like that, but, I mean, we are talking about trying to predict what Donald Trump is going to do, which is, you know, is proven to be something little fool's errand.

A lot of people are saying Mike Pence is sort of a, you know, straightforward Governor of Indiana, he's sort of your classic Midwestern politician type. But the reports are that Donald Trump is leaning more towards Chris Christie, the Governor of New Jersey, and Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House.

Both of them are a lot more bombastic, a lot louder, a lot more have personality, which definitely suits Donald Trump. But, you know, again, it's Donald Trump. It's could be someone who we've never heard of him.

There's only so many people that he has been vetting. There is General Michael Flynn who he has been talking to, there is Senator Jeff Sessions from Alabama who he's been speaking with apparently, according to reports, Pence is who most people think it will be at this point, but Gingrich and Christie certainly seem to be up in the running.

CHURCH: Yes. Of course, he doesn't want an attack dog now, so that might be some sort of hint. I guess we'll have to see.

BUMP: Yes.

CHURCH: But I do want to talk about those poll numbers in Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio. It's suddenly a very tight race. What was it that changes those numbers for Hillary Clinton and put her neck and neck in some instances behind Trump.

BUMP: Right. So, the race in Ohio whose been close pretty consistently and I don't think we're very surprise by Ohio.

There is also another poll that came out today from NBC/The Wall Street Journal/Marist which showed a much different race in Pennsylvania, a much bigger for Clinton in Pennsylvania.

The real question mark is that Florida number. Florida, last month, Hillary Clinton led by about three points. Now Donald Trump has a big lead -- oh, I'm sorry, it's Hillary Clinton up by about eight points in Florida. Now that Donald Trump is up in Florida, he's moved about 11 points in three weeks, which is unusual.

My guess is most of that is just part of the methodology of the poll. It's sort of his tail and boring as it sounds. I think this is probably a numerical glitch to some extent. I think the race is probably close there, but I think that it is not the case that Donald Trump saw this huge surge in Florida as these polls might suggest.

CHURCH: Yes, interesting. But there is also word that support for Trump maybe even greater than these polls suggests, that some people are not willing to admit and make their support for Trump known publicly for whatever reason. What are you hearing about that?

BUMP: We hear that a lot from people that aren't doing very well in the polls. You know, and this is something that has come up before. It came up in 2008, for example, when there was sort of the opposite effect.

People were saying that they are going to vote for the first black president but then the question was, were they really going to do this or some precedent where that had been the case that people said they were more open-minded than they actually voted. This is sort of the opposite effect Donald Trump has said in the past

that he thinks that there are people who are worried about demonstrating their support for him, and that clearly wasn't concerning the primaries. He won, you know, more primary votes than any republican has in history.

Well, this is something that is said by people who are trailing and I don't know that there's a lot of credence to it.

[03:25:00] CHURCH: We will eventually know, won't we?

BUMP: We will.

CHURCH: Phil Bump, always a pleasure to chat with you. Thanks so much.

BUMP: Of course, thank you.

CHURCH: And for a closer look at who Trump might pick as his running mate and other big stories in the race for the White House, just head over to our web site cnn.com/politics.

Look at the weather now. There's going to be hot and possibly dangerous weather in parts of north and South Eastern Europe today.

Meteorologist Allison Chinchar joins us now in the studio to talk more about this. So, what areas are really in for some really troubling weather?

ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, the southern portion and eastern portions of Europe are where we're seeing the heat, but it's really the eastern portion where we're going to notice both the combination of the severe weather and the heat, as well.

And so, those are going to kind of are dangerous areas that we start with. And again, we've been talking about beating the heat. Take a look at this in Ukraine. Again, a lot of kids out trying to use the fountains as a way to be able to beat the heat and cool off just a little bit.

Now, look at these locations. Because we're not talking about some of these areas two, four, five degrees above average. In some spots, we've been looking at these areas being as much as 10 degrees above their temperature.

Again, we're talking Belgrade, 36, their average is 27. In Kiev and the Ukraine, 31, with an average of about 24 degrees. And looking at soem of these high temperatures, again, Bucharest, about 36 for the high. Again, same thing down towards Athens.

Now we will get a temporarily reprieve in portions of Central Europe due to a front that will be moving through but it's going to take a little bit. Take a look at Kiev, again, 33 today, 32 on Friday, all the way up to 35 by Sunday before we finally cool back down, closer to average. But it's going to be near the middle portion of next week before we get there. And again, we thought that temporary reprieve, thanks to this front

that's coming through but it comes with a cost. You're going to be dealing with the chance for a severe weather in those same areas.

Here's a look at the areas, again, mainly Eastern Europe. We're talking damaging winds, large hail and the threat for some isolated tornados in these areas. And, again, we're also looking at the potential for some flooding, too.

So, it's kind of a nice smorgasbord of things that they're going to have to keep an eye on. We have the heat overlaying the front end of it. Then the severe weather that comes in on the back side. Again, multiple things to keep an eye on.

One of the areas, Rose, to keeping an eye for some heavy weather is going to be the Open championships. It starts off very night, but that's going to change very quickly into the weekend.

CHURCH: Ok. Quite a mixed bag there for everybody.

CHINCHAR: Yes.

CHURCH: All right. Thanks so much, Allison. I appreciate it.

Well, the new British Prime Minister has an unchartered road ahead, next her challengers and what we could expect from Theresa May's new government.

Plus, the U.S. President hosts a forum on race and policing after a wave of violence between police and black communities. What he says needs to happen before a solution is found.

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CHURCH: And a warm welcome back to our viewers all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church. I want to update you now on the stories we've been following this hour.

Donald Trump is expected to announce his pick for vice president Friday in New York. It's reportedly down to Indiana Governor Mike Pence, former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich, and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.

Theresa May is now into her first full day as British Prime Minister and she's facing a packed schedule in the hours after taking over as the country's leader on Wednesday. Mrs. May name several new Cabinet members. Her unique challenge now, guide the U.K. as it prepares to leave the European Union.

World leaders are reacting to Theresa May's new post. French President Francois Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel both called to congratulate her. On those calls, Mrs. May said the U.K. will need time to prepare its exist from the European Union.

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says he's confident Mrs. May can lead the U.K. out of the E.U. Meanwhile, the Kremlin says Russian President Vladimir Putin looks forward to a constructive dialogue with Britain's new leader.

Well, Mrs. May faces several unique challenges as Prime Minister.

Ian Bond joins me live from London to talk about what lies ahead. Ian is the director of Foreign Policy at the Center for European Reform. Thank you so much for being with us.

IAN BOND, CENTER FOR EUROPEAN REFORM FOREIGN POLICY DIRECTOR: My pleasure.

CHURCH: So, Prime Minister May has carefully selected Brexit supporters for the delicate task of dealing with foreign leaders and extracting Britain from the E.U. Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. David Davis as Secretary of State for exiting the E.U., Liam Fox, Minister of Trade.

So, will this be something of a poison chalice, perhaps, for these Brexit supporters? What was behind her strategy, do you think?

BOND: Well, I think she had to put senior Brexit figures into these positions because she herself had backed the remain campaign. But indeed, I think it will be a poisoned chalice. As you rightly say, it's a delicate task. And delicate is another word that comes to mind when you think of Boris Johnson, in particular.

David Davis is going to be tasked with the very detailed job of getting us out of the European Union. And that, after 40 years of our laws being intertwined with those of the E.U. is going to be a really major task to work out what we keep, what we have to replace, and so on.

And I have to admit that at the moment, I can't see what Liam Fox is going to be able to do until we have left the E.U. Because as long as we are still E.U. members, we are not able to negotiate our own trade deals or at least not able to finalize our own trade deals with other countries.

CHURCH: Yes, interesting. And of course, as you mentioned, the choice that shocked most people was Brexit campaign of Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. Why would she give the top diplomatic post to a man known for his gaffes and his undiplomatic descriptions of select world leaders. He's got a lot of fences to mend, hasn't he?

BOND: He has got a lot of fences to mend. I presume she felt that he would be better inside the tent than outside it, but indeed, the first reactions from a number of foreign countries that have suffered from Boris Johnson's criticism in the past has been somewhere between bemused and appalled.

And, you know, I particularly look forward to the conversations that he will have when he goes to the U.S. for the first time, having in the past insulted both Hillary Clinton and President Obama.

[03:35:11] CHURCH: Yes, everyone will be watching that very closely. And of course, Mrs. May warned Scotland to back off on any effort to break away from the U.K., but that is a real possibility, isn't it? And no doubt a major concern for the new P.M. What Scotland likely to

do and what could the ramifications be if it does proceed and break away?

BOND: Well, the Scottish First Minister is very sensibly proceeding very carefully and deliberately. In the first instance what she is arguing for is that Scotland should not lose the benefits that it gains from E.U. membership.

Now, in reality, that's going to be very hard to square with the sorts of things that David Davis is on the records as saying about the kind of relationship that he thinks the U.K. should have with the E.U.

And I think that what Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish First Minister is doing, is positioning herself so that somewhere down the line when it's clear what sort of a deal the U.K. will have with the E.U. she can say this is a deal which is completely unacceptable to the Scottish people who voted by such a large majority to remain in the E.U.

And this justifies us having a second referendum, but I don't think she'll want to do that unless she is absolutely certainly that she could win a referendum on independence.

CHURCH: Yes. And she certainly said she won't at this point. Ian Bond, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

BOND: Thank you.

CHURCH: Well, we must note this, Twitter lit up when Prime Minister May name Boris Johnson as her foreign secretary. Some with the high profile post were not very flattering.

Lord Sugar, a business magnate and a star on the BBC TV series "The Apprentice" tweeted this. "Here is our new foreign secretary. I am sure he will be well respected by his counterparts in other countries."

And a lot are like E.U. advocacy director and Brussels director of the Human Rights once tweeted this. "Presenting the U.K.'s new foreign secretary, hash tag, Boris Johnson, what could possibly go wrong?" Some food for thought there.

Well, across the U.S., we are following ongoing protests after the deaths of two African-American men at the hands of police last week.

In Minneapolis, Minnesota protesters temporarily shut down part of a major highway during rush hour. At least 41 people were arrested there and hundreds of protesters gathered outside Boston's police headquarters and then marched through the city. There were no reports of arrests or violence there.

The U.S. President says he was encouraged by a meeting he hosted on race and policing. For about four hours, Barack Obama met with activist from the Black Lives Matter movement, law enforcement officials and other community leaders. After the meeting, Obama said the problem is not going to be solved overnight, but that respectful dialogue will help.

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BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA PRESIDENT: Not only are there very real problems, but there are still deep divisions about how to solve these problems.

As there's no doubt police departments still feel embattled and justly accused. And there is no doubt that minority communities, then there's of color that still feel like it just takes too long to do what's right. And that the pace of change is going to feel too fast for some and too slow for others.

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CHURCH: And the son of the African-American man killed by police in Louisiana will meet with President Obama on Thursday. Police shot Alton Sterling last week outside the convenient store in Baton Rouge.

Officers were responding to a call of a man threatening another person with a gun. On Wednesday, Cameron Sterling said his father's death should unite Americans regardless of race.

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CAMERON STERLING, ALTON STERLING'S SON: But I want everyone to protest the right way. Protest in peace not guns, not drugs, not alcohol, not violence. Everyone need to protest in the right way with peace, no violence, none whatsoever.

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CHURCH: And Sterling's son called for calm on all sides, CNN began a dialogue on the long, simmering tensions between police and some minority communities.

Cameron Sterling's mother was there sitting on stage with Enrica Zamarripa. His son was one of five Dallas police officers killed by sniper last week.

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[03:40:01] DON LEMON, CNN TONIGHT SHOW HOST: You all need healing. The country needs healing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

LEMON: What can you say to them now? These two families, again, people would think I'm on different sides, but all pain is the same. What do us to the country, dad?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This has to stop. I take another person's life, you don't want to make the other person's life come back.

QUINYETTA MCMILLON, CAMERON STERLING'S MOTHER: I've been saying the same thing since it all started. You know, violence to violence is not, will never be the answer to nothing, especially not in the situation that me and this family is sharing right now. And I think we're all coming together to say that we want peace. We want peace for both families.

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CHURCH: And several of the NBA's biggest stars are also calling for social change in the U.S. At Wednesday's ESPY Awards, LeBron James spoke about the divided nation and getting more athletes involved in changing communities.

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LEBRON JAMES, CLEVELAND CAVALIERS FORWARD: Let's look this moment as a call to action for all professional athletes to educate ourselves, explore these issues, speak up, use our influence and renounce all violence.

And most importantly, go back to our communities, invest our time, our resources, help rebuild them, help strengthen them, help change them. We all have to do better.

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CHURCH: Powerful stuff there. And three of the five officers killed in the ambush last week have now been laid to rest. They were memorialized as police officers, heroes, and to their children, simply dads.

Kyung Lah has more now on Dallas' final goodbye to good sons.

KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Three officers, three lives remembered. Lorne Ahrens, 48 years old, father of an 8 and 10-year- old, husband to a fellow cop.

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DEBBIE TAYLOR, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SENIOR CORPORAL: Everything is bigger in Texas, and that definitely included Lorne with his 6'4", 300-pound frame. Not only was he bigger in physical stature, but his personality, his heart, and his enthusiasm for police work, his passion for his fellow officer and his devotion to his family were all larger than life.

EDDIE COLLEY, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SENIOR CORPORAL: Katrina, you were his coworker. You were his best friend and his dedicated wife.

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LAH: Sergeant Michael Smith, age 55, husband and father to these two girls, Caroline and Victoria. He lived a life of service in the army for seven years and a Dallas police officer for nearly 30.

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YEA-MEI SAUER, MICHAEL SMITH'S SISTER: A cop's cop. The type of cop I want to be exactly like. My perfect boy. One in a million. All things told to me by our guardians, our peacemakers, told to me through tears, while choking on their words.

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LAH: Dallas Area Rapid Transit Officer Brent Thompson, age 43. Two weeks ago, the father of six remarried. His bride, also a police officer.

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EMILY THOMPSON, BRENT THOMPSON'S WIFE:; Though I'm heartbroken and hurt, I am going to put on my badge and my uniform and return to the street along with all of my brothers and sisters in blue.

To the coward that tried to break me and my brothers and sisters, you know your hate made us stronger. On Brent's behalf, I'm asking you all, continue on, press on. He has your six.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One thing I would always heed to my dad when he walked out the door was good-bye, daddy. I love you, be safe. And tonight, we say our final good-bye, daddy. We love you. Be safe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I once was lost but now I'm found was blind but now I see.

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LAH: Kyung Lah, CNN, Dallas.

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CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone.

A U.S. district judge says he may release Donald Trump's videotape testimony and two of the lawsuits with Trump University. It's the same Judge, Gonzalo Curiel, who Trump says is bias against him because of his Mexican heritage.

Trump's lawyers want the testimony kept private, saying, quote, "There's all kinds of potential for mischief." The lawsuits claims Trump University was a scam, but Trump says the majority of the students were satisfied with the seminars.

Well, CNN's senior investigative correspondent Drew Griffin got a chance to sit down with a former instructor of Trump University. Take a listen to their conversation.

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JAMES HARRIS, FORMER TRUMP UNIVERSITY INSTRUCTOR: We were bringing in the money. A lot of it.

DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: A lot of money.

HARRIS: A lot of money. GRIFFIN: Were you -- you said you were the top guy. Were you the top guy?

HARRIS: I don't know if I was. I just know I'm ready good at what I do.

GRIFFIN: You've said you were the top guy.

HARRIS: OK. So, maybe I was the top guy. I don't really know if I was or not. I just know that my numbers were one of the from week to week to week, my numbers were in the top one or two.

GRIFFIN: James Harris's job was to get people to believe they, too, could be as successful at real estate as Donald Trump. And to reel them in, sign them up, get them to pay as much as $34,000 on the promise that the next seminar, the next class, would teach them all they would need to know.

What do you know about real estate?

HARRIS: Real estate is a very wide, huge business. I got involved in real estate personally myself in the 90s.

GRIFFIN: And if you attended a James Harris Trump University seminar, you would hear a lot more about Harris' claims of success and experience in real estate. Claims made in this verbatim transcript of a Trump seminar he gave in San Bernardino, California.

Do you remember when you said this? I'm a former licensed agent broker, at 29, I became the top 1 percent broker in the country. I build homes in Atlanta, Georgia, and I used to live in Beverly Hills.

HARRIS: Yes. I -- if I said those things, they are true. I did live in Beverly Hills and I...

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GRIFFIN: We have no record of you ever living in Beverly Hills.

HARRIS: OK. Well...

GRIFFIN: We can't find your broker's license anywhere.

HARRIS: OK.

GRIFFIN: And I have no idea what homes you built in Atlanta, Georgia. You build homes in Georgia?

HARRIS: I'm not prepared to answer those questions today.

GRIFFIN: This is part of your pitch. Is any of that true?

HARRIS: Again, I'm not going to answer those questions because I haven't seen that.

GRIFFIN: Well, you certainly know what you've done in your life. HARRIS: Well, I don't know if I -- I don't know where that's coming

from. I don't know where this is...

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GRIFFIN: This is a transcript submitted in court...

HARRIS: I've never seen it.

GRIFFIN: ... of the taped presentation that you gave in San Bernardino, California.

HARRIS: I don't know if that's a court document or not. I've never seen it.

GRIFFIN: It's a court document.

HARRIS: OK.

GRIFFIN: Well, what do you know about real estate?

HARRIS: Again, I'm not prepared to answer those questions today. This is about Trump University.

BOB GUILLO, FORMER TRUMP UNIVERSITY STUDENT: He kept walking up and down the aisle, flashing his Rolex in our faces.

GRIFFIN: Bob Guillo was one of James Harris's students. He is part of a lawsuit trying to get back his $34,000. He says the school was a fraud, so was his teacher.

GUILLO: He bragged that he had dinner with Donald Trump.

GRIFFIN: Did you ever have dinner with him?

HARRIS: I never had dinner with him.

[03:50:01] GRIFFIN: Bob Guillo was in one of your conferences and you said you just had dinner with Donald Trump at one of your speaking engagements.

HARRIS: I don't have any recollection of that.

GRIFFIN: James Harris admits his main job wasn't to teach real estate, it was to sell real estate seminars, always with the goal of hooking his audience into buying more classes.

HARRIS: I was told to promote and sell the Trump University packages and the programs that they were offering and that's what I did. They had to pay a fee to come to further their training at the next event. So, it was -- you know, it went from event to event to event.

GRIFFIN: Is that step by step as it's been described, upsell by upsell, by upsell?

HARRIS: Kind of, yes. It's a little upsell, you know, well, if you pay this amount, we're going to teach you this much. If you pay this amount, we're going to go further with you.

GRIFFIN: Here is an e-mail that you wrote. "I just spoke to Austin and Irene, the older retired couple who had to pull the $34,000 for the gold and she said it's done, and should be Monday. So, that would be another 35k. We will easily have another 100k hit by Friday. Yahoo!"

Your associate, Brian response, "We've always been a dangerous team, brother man. These peeps don't have a chance against us. Smiley face."

HARRIS: That's called sales.

GRIFFIN: Is that called ripping off an old couple named Austin and Irene?

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HARRIS: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Again, I never saw that e- mail, but that is sales. That's a typical sales e-mail between two sales people working on a -- working on a deal. I don't know if those people had the money or not. They could -- they could have been putting up their last dollar. I don't know. All I know is...

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GRIFFIN: Do you care?

HARRIS: Of course we care. But I was doing my job. We did our job.

GRIFFIN: Regardless of if they could afford it or not?

HARRIS: Regardless of they could afford it or not. I didn't know if they could afford it or not. That was not my position. That was not my job. Other people did that.

I don't know if they could afford it or not. We were -- we were told to show them all the ways that they could afford it and could come up with the finances to get into the business. Period. End of story.

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CHURCH: A remarkable interview there and some of the potential V.P.'s on Donald Trump's list are already using his signature slogan. Coming up, we will audition the finalists who are promising to help make America great again.

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CHURCH: Welcome back. Well, as we now know, Donald Trump plans to announce his pick for vice president on Friday.

Jeanne Moos decided to see which finalist is best at delivering Trump signature slogan.

[03:55:03] JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Since Donald Trump can't legally pick the guy in the mirror for V.P., he may have to settle for one of these three. So, why not audition all three? Let's start with how confident they sound saying this.

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CHRISTIE: Bring you the next president of the United States, Donald Trump.

GINGRICH: The next president of the United States, Donald Trump.

PENCE: The next president of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump.

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MOOS: Pretty similar. Jimmy Fallon has already predicted how the Donald will introduce his V.P.

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JIMMY FALLON, THE TONIGHT SHOW HOST: This next person will be a footnote in history at best.

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MOOS: And which of the potential footnotes got the warmest greeting from the Donald? Indiana Governor Mike Pence got a handshake, a brief touch on the arm and a funny face accompanied by pointing.

Newt Gingrich likewise got a handshake, an arm around the back and a pat on the shoulder. But Chris Christie got a handshake and a hug. Advantage, Christie. Still, the acid test is the ability to deliver the Donald's core message.

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TRUMP: We are going to make America great again.

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MOOS: Though even the Donald's delivery isn't great when he's tethered to teleprompter.

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TRUMP: And we're going to make America great again.

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MOOS: So, how do the would-be V.P.'s do when they...

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PENCE: To borrow a phrase, make America great again.

MOOS: Mike Pence.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) PENCE: And we can make America great again.

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MOOS: Newt Gingrich.

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GINGRICH: To make America great again, I'm going be for Donald Trump.

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MOOS: Chris Christie.

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CHRISTIE: And I am confident that he will make America great again.

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MOOS: The Donald has his work cut out for him making his V.P. great as delivering his signature line.

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TRUMP: And we are going to make America so great again.

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN.

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PENCE: And we can make.

GINGRICH: America.

CHRISTIE: Great again.

TRUMP: Greater than ever before.

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MOOS: New York.

CHURCH: We'll know Friday. I'm Rosemary Church. The news continues after this short break. Have a great day.

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