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Terror in Tel Aviv as Gunman Kills Four in Market; "Leave" Movement Gaining Momentum in U.K.; Hillary Clinton on Bringing Democrats Together Against Trump; Terror Threat in France Before Euro 2016; Hillary's Wardrobe Making Headlines. Aired 12-1a ET

Aired June 9, 2016 - 00:00   ET

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[00:00:13] JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: This is "CNN NEWSROOM," live from Los Angeles. Ahead this hour.

ISHA SESAY, CNN ANCHOR: Terror in Tel Aviv. Running for cover after gunmen open fire in a popular market, killing four.

VAUSE: The leave movement gaining momentum in the U.K. and now there are growing signs of anti-E.U sentiment spreading across Europe.

SESAY: Plus Hillary Clinton on bringing Democrats together and Republican leaders stop trying to defend Donald Trump's recent statements.

VAUSE: Hello everybody. Great to have you with us. We'd like to welcome our viewers around the world. I'm John Vause.

SESAY: And I'm Isha Sesay. NEWSROOM L.A. start the right now.

At least four people are dead, five others wounded in a terror attack at a busy market in Tel Aviv. Crowds of people went running for cover as two men opened fire late Wednesday.

VAUSEL: Police shot and wounded one of the attackers. He's now in the hospital. A second suspect was arrested at the scene. A spokesman says they don't know a motive yet. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the killings a savage crime. He vowed to attack the attackers and defend those needing defending.

SESAY: CNN's Oren Liebermann joins us now from Tel Aviv. Oren, this attack took place in an outdoor complex close to the Israeli Defense Ministry leading to immediate questions about the security arrangement they were in place. What more are we learning?

OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There have been questions about the security here at the Sarona Outdoor Market for a few months now. It's not difficult to see why. This shooting, this terror attacks started in Max Brenner the restaurant right here behind me, and then he continued down to my left, he continued in this store, Benedict and went all the way down here. Police say the two attackers split when one was shot and arrested and the other was arrested without gunfire. But you can see there's an opening here. There's an opening on the other side and there are openings all around here to get into here.

Meanwhile, it's surrounded by a number of secure areas. The Ministry of Defense, there's a shopping mall connected there that it's also very secure. This is the soft target in the middle of that. And yet, that's not the only security question here. There's also a question. Police said the two suspects are Palestinian. We know the idea they're searching in the West Bank, now that's reportedly where these two suspects are from.

So there's a question of how did automatic weapons get from the West Bank through an Israeli military checkpoint in the Israel. That is another security concern that authorities will have to answer. They have to figure out.

Now, it is Ramadan. Generally, there's an easing of travel restrictions on Palestinians during Ramadan, that could be part of this, all part of the investigation here moving forward.

VAUSE: And Oren has there been any claim of responsibility yet? And you mentioned that the Israelis are searching that village in the West Bank. What else can we expect from the Israelis in terms of a response?

LIEBERMANN: No claim of responsibility yet. We have seen Hamas leaders the terror attack. But again, no claim of responsibility if that could come in the Jerusalem bus bombing a couple of months ago. That claim of responsibility took four days so, we'll see where that comes.

No surprise here, Israeli leaders, leaders from around world as well condemning this terror attack. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promising a series of offensive and defensive steps. We're seeing some of that. We're seeing Israeli forces in the West Bank, the southern West Bank near Hebron which was, months ago, the flash point, one of the hottest parts of this conflict in the wave of attacks. It has since quieted down. But that is where the idea has confirmed their forces are searching right now.

Police again as well as Security forces will try to look at the military checkpoints, try to figure out how weaponry crossed from the West Bank into Israel, and of course where those weapons were made, where they were brought in, and then back to the security questions, is it secure enough at the Sarona Market.

VAUSE: Oren Liebermann just on 7:00 in the morning day in Tel Aviv with that live report.

SESAY: Yeah. Thank you, Oren. Steve Moore is retired supervisory special agent for the FBI, now a CNN law enforcement contributor joins us here in Los Angeles.

VAUSE: And Bob Baer is a former CIA operative now CNN intelligence and security analyst. He's in Telluride, Colorado.

Bob, first to you, this attack seems to be bit more ambitious better planned than other attacks in recent months. Is this a one-of or the start of something else? An escalation if you like?

ROBERT BAER, CNN INTELLEGENCE AND SECURITY ANALYST: Well, john, it is Ramadan, and these attacks were expected to pick up. The fact that the two had automatic weapons was disturbing. Apparently, these things were homemade, easy to make, fairly easy. They also can be disassembled and hidden in cars, which is concerning Israelis, because if these people could get automatic weapons into a place like Tel Aviv, so close to the ministry of defense, you know, where do you even start to defend this?

VAUSE: Yeah.

BAER: So this should worry Israelis and frankly it's going to really setback any sort of peace negotiations at this point.

[00:05:17] SESAY: Steve, let me bring you in here.

These individuals wandered into this outdoor complex. They sat there, ordered dessert, according to some reports ...

STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRIBUTOR: Sure.

SESAY: ... were seemingly calm enough not to attract any attention. Does that tell you anything about a level of training? What does that say to you?

MOORE: Certainly. They've been trained. They've gotten to a point of a certain sophistication, where they can move about, not call attention to themselves, at least great enough attention to call authorities, and still have the resources and the skills to conduct the attack.

VAUSE: Steve, witnesses are saying the attackers used an imitation Swedish-made Carl Gustav recoilless rifle. Bob mentioned this, the concern of automatic weapons coming in from West Bank into Tel Aviv. The Palestinians, this is their own version of it. It's called a Carlo. What sort of weapon is this?

MOORE: The Carlo is a very crude weapon. It started out as a Swedish weapon that was built during World War II. The plants went to Palestine in the '70s. You can make this thing. They're not rifled. Like all other barrels, they are no rifled, and that makes them extremely inaccurate past about 10 yards. But they will fire the weapon. You can use actually water pipe for these things. So if you take them down and take the plastic handles off, the plastic grips, take the barrel off, it's not even going to show up in x-rays as something recognizable.

VAUSE: Which is why there are reports that the victims were shot almost at point blank range.

MOORE: You have to, because you're not going to get any accuracy from far away.

SESAY: And Bob, what will be the fall-out from all of this as you look at the situation and you listen to the comments coming from the Israeli prime minister?

BAER: Well, Israel was already drifting to the right at this point, with the new defense minister as a hard-liner. You know, he's not cracking down on the Palestinians. What's Israeli -- what are they going to do at this point? Are they going to go into the West Bank and force -- you know, the two attackers are apparently from Hebron, a contested area, a very radical area.

And, you know, when you have these small cells operating without any central authority, they're very hard to close down. This is going to be a dilemma for the Israelis, how strong they go in.

VAUSE: And speaking of Israelis they're normally very, very good -- sorry, Bob. I just want to bring in Steve on this. The Israelis are normally very good with their intelligence-gathering ...

MOORE: Yes.

VAUSE: ... yet they say there was no indication a terrorist attack was imminent. Did they miss something here or did that tell you something else about that?

MOORE: Well, as Bob said, it's Ramadan so that's two things happen at Ramadan in Israel. Number one, you expect attacks and, number two, you're loosening up the security measures between Gaza and the West Bank and Israel. So it's kind of the worst of all worlds. So maybe they didn't have an individual indication of this specific attack, but they knew attacks were coming.

SESAY: And to focus in on this area where it happened, the complex, you and I, we've all talked about this, the perimeter, how far do you extend it. Obviously, the conversation is, what do you do in terms of security in this space? You point out, the further it goes out, the more the difficulty.

MOORE: The thinner your line, yes. So -- and this, if you look at this place -- Sarona, I believe it is. If you look at this place, it is really indefensible. It is a mall. Think about our own malls. You are not going to be able to set up a system whereby, absent body searches, you are going to stop these things.

VAUSE: Steve Moore with us here in Los Angeles and Bob Baer in Colorado, thank you both.

SESAY: Thank you.

VAUSE: Appreciate it.

MOORE: Thanks.

VAUSE: Two weeks now until British voters decide whether to remain part of the Europe Union of they should leave. In the latest poll show a slim both growing majority leading towards to the lead campaign. And it seems that anti-U.E. sentiment isn't just for confine to traditionally skeptical Britain

A new survey by the few research center shows anti-E.U. sentiment is spreading across Europe. So, with that in mind, let's take a moment and travel back to 1946 and a speech by Winston Churchill in Zurich.

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WINSTON CHURCHILL, FORMER BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: We must build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living. The process is simple. All that is needed is the resolve of hundreds of millions of men and women to do right instead of wrong. And to gain as their reward blessing instead of cursing.

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[00:10:19] VAUSE: That was the former British prime minister laying out the ultimate goal of creating the united states of Europe. But now across the continent, the idea of an ever closer union seems to have little support. Bruce Stokes is the Director of Global Attitudes at Pew joins us from Washington.

So, Bruce, quickly walk us through the nuts and bolts of your study and the major finding here.

BRUCE STOKES, DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL ATTITUDES, PEW RESEARCH CENTER: Well, it's interesting, two weeks before the election, the British but also people on the continent are having a declining faith in the European Union as an institution. We had seen a dramatic decline in the belief in the favorability of the E.U. after the economic crisis that began to edge back upwards in the last two years, but this year it's now dropped off again in five of the six countries that we have data from last year and this year. Including a 17 point drop in France, a 16-point drop in Spain.

So, people are upset with the European Union as an institution, which I would assume is making Winston Churchill turn over in his grave.

VAUSE: Yeah, well, as you say, the world right now is focussed on the U.K., where people have an unfavorable, more people have an unfavorable view of the E.U. than favorable. But what is surprising in your study, the number was even high in France and it was highest of all in Greece. Can you explain why?

STOKES: Well, in Greece, I think we can begin to understand, today it's very bad. It's been bad in terms of attitudes of the E.U. and the policies of the E.U. in Greece for a number of years. And I think that's because the economy's done so poorly. There's been austerity measures advocated by the European Union that the Greeks have had to swallow.

So there's a certain degree of antipathy towards the center as a result. But I think the really interesting result in the survey that suggests that however the British vote on the 23rd of June, the issue of do we have more Europe or less Europe, which is really the center of the debate in Britain, that issue's not going to go away, because we asked people, do you want to give more power to Brussels? Have an ever closer union? Or do you want to take more power back from Brussels and bring it back to your national capital or keep things the way they are and what you found was that majorities or pluralities in five of the 10 countries we surveyed, said we want to bring more power back to our national capital.

So the very sentiment that seems to be animating many of the British is existent on the continent in large numbers and in a number of countries.

VAUSE: Yeah, in fact, all 10 countries you surveyed disapproved highly, very highly, with the way the E.U. handled the migrant crisis.

STOKES: Right. When you look more deeply and you look at what it is the people criticize the European Union for, overwhelmingly they criticize its handling of the refugee crisis. They're very animated in terms of their criticism of how the E.U.'s handled the economic crisis which of course has been going on since 2008, so they have some reasons to say that they're disappointed in the E.U. some reason to said they'd like to take power back from Brussels.

VAUSE: If the British decide two weeks from now that they want out, is there a domino effect here? Could we see similar debates in other countries? Could they move in the same direction?

STOKES: Well, we didn't ask that question, but we -- I have seen other polls that suggest that other countries, the Dutch, possibly the French, might want the Danes, might want to have their own referendum, just as the British have had a referendum.

So, we do know from what people have said in the leadership at the E.U. and the leadership of a number of countries that they are very wary of that, because they believe that the anti-E.U. sentiment, that you are skeptics in their own country will say if it's good enough for the British that they could have a vote, we'd like to have a vote of our own.

VAUSE: And so it begins, the beginning of the ending, perhaps. Bruce, good to speak with you.

STOKES: Good to speak with you, thank you.

VAUSE: We'll take a short break. When we come back, with Hillary Clinton making history, she's out talking about a possible V.P. as well as (inaudible) Democratic Party. She shared her plans with Anderson Cooper.

SESAY: And Republicans leaders are walking a fine line trying to defend their likely nominee, Donald Trump.

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[00:18:54] VAUSE: With the final Super Tuesday done and dusted, the focus in now shifting to November's general election.

SESAY: For Donald Trump, there's pressure from Republicans to drop his complaints about the federal judge.

For Bernie Sanders who's still in the race, there's a meeting with President Obama at the White House, Thursday.

VAUSE: Well, Democratic presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton is now trying to unify the party, and she spoke with Anderson Cooper.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE: I'm looking forward to working with him to achieve our common goal, which is to defeat Donald Trump. And Senator Sanders has said he'll work every day, every week, to see that happen. So we're going to be working to make sure that we have a unified party going into our convention and coming out. I know Senator Sanders will be meeting with President Obama tomorrow.

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SESAY: Well, joining us in L.A.., Wendy Greuel, a Clinton supporter and former L.A. council woman.

VAUSE: And Luis Alvarado, a Republican strategist and political and media consultant. Thank you for both coming in.

LUIS ALVARADO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Thanks for the invitation.

VAUSE: Wendy, I want to start with you. You know, there's an old saying, eat that frog. Eat that frog and get it over and done with. How long does Bernie Sanders have to eat that frog?

[00:20:09] WENDY GREUEL, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, Bernie Sanders is going to do it in his own time. When he should. I mean this he's spent a long period of time.

VAUSE: There's a time frame.

GREUEL: And I think you'll see in the next, you know, whether it be days or week that the party will come together. It's kind of a mourning. You know, I've been through campaigns I've won and lost. And it takes time.

So -- but I think he's going to come together for the common theme, which i think has been mentioned, just to take on Donald Trump and to ensure that he does not become president of the United States.

SESAY: Well, Luis the race is on for Hillary Clinton to woo those Sanders supporters. Could Trump play spoiler here and she woo some of them possible?

ALVARADO: Well I think it's unfortunate that we have a nominee that doesn't know how to capitalize on this and doesn't want to concentrate on things that are not conductive to building the party. And that's the problem we've had it now. He's been very successful in building a wall, and that wall is inside the Republican Party where other Republican elected officials are going to have to defend his comments to their own constituents.

So it's not very good thing for Republicans at this point. I think he needs to do a lot of things to get to Cleveland and take advantage of the fact that the Republicans are there to help him.

VAUSE: We're going to talk about Donald Trump in a moment, but let's stick with Secretary Hillary Clinton right now. Because she's also talking about a possible running mate.

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CLINTON: I'm looking at the most qualified people. And that includes women, of course, because I want to be sure that whoever I pick could be president immediately, if something were to happen. That's the most important qualification. There are a lot of people in the Democratic Party who bring so many great assets to the table.

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VAUSE: OK. Let's unpack that a little bit. She said Democratic Party, I read that as ruling out Bernie Sanders, because he's been a Democrat for five minutes. He was an independent before. And she said she could pick a woman, which takes us to Elizabeth Warren. She (in endorsed Hillary Clinton. She says she's not interested in V.P., but she won't rule it out, which means she's interested in being vice president. So Wendy, could you see an all-woman ticket for November?

GREUEL: You know, I think it is going to be a process, where they look at, not only as Hillary Clinton said, most qualified. But then you have to look to those states where we're going to have battle ground and where the most effective individual to be vice president. Who's qualified, will help them win the election in November, and someone who's going to add, I think, value to the many I think qualifications that Hillary Clinton has.

VAUSE: In Massachusetts is a battleground, isn't it?

GREUEL: When we speak (inaudible) here is the country ready to embrace an all-female ticket? It took them this long to get a woman at the top of the ticket of a major party.

ALVARADO: I have no problem. And I think America is moving very fast to really understanding that, you know, we are the leaders of the world for a reason, and that's because we have to be thinking outside the box. And if it's two women, as far as they're qualified, I have no problem with two women being on the ticket.

SESAY: You don't, the rest of the country ...

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ALVARAZO: Well, there are those going to try to take political advantage and strategic advantage in making an attack on it. But the reality is, I think this country has really moved very fast away from that fact, and I think that television has also shown enough strong women to say that that we're OK with it.

VAUSE: We're here right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two strong women.

VAUSE: Absolutely. She does seem to be auditioning for this role recently. You know, this was Senator Elizabeth Warren over the weekend.

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SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASS. And when he gets called out by his own former students or by his own employees, so what does Trump do at that point? Does he man up and take his licks? Does he offer people their money back? No. No. No. He whines about the press. He whimpers about the students, and he complains that the judge doesn't like him. Well, Donald, it's time to stop sniffling and put on your big boy pants.

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VAUSE: She's speaking very effective. She's got a couple of Twitter wars with Donald Trump. A lot of people think she came out on top. Luis, Donald Trump actually could take on two strong women like that and not look like a bully?

ALVARADO: Well, I think the problem is that Elizabeth Warren may be seen to be stronger than Hillary Clinton in being more efficient in delivering that one-two punch. I think Hillary Clinton is very reserved and tries too hard to work to be presidential that sometimes she doesn't come across as one who can be a fighter, and I think nobody ever accused Elizabeth Warren of not being a fighter.

SESAY: Wendy, how do you say? I mean all are the roles divvied up the right way? And Warren playing attack dog here and Clinton being ...

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GREUEL: I think in San Diego last weekend in her foreign policy speech that she gave, that, for many people was showing the two sides, the great sides of Hillary Clinton, a fighter and someone who clearly is intelligent and knows all the issues about foreign policy.

[00:25:09] You know, think I love Elizabeth Warren. I mean she says exactly what she thinks. She can excite the crowds. And I think Hillary Clinton is going to look and see what's going to be best for winning in November and for the future of this country.

VAUSE: OK. Let's go to the Republican side because it seems that feeling with -- for many of the Republican leaders, when it comes to Donald Trump, the voters have spoken. He's our guy. We've got to live with it. This was Senator Mitch McConnell, the senate leader a little earlier on CNN. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. MITCH MCCONNEL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER: He's been chosen by the Republican primary voters all across America. He won it the old- fashioned way. He got more votes than anybody else, so he's going to be the nominee. What most of us would like to see is him run the kind of campaign that gives him the chance for victory.

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VAUSE: Luis, this is the problem right now, the hijacker has taken over the plane, and the passengers are on the hijacker's side right now. They're cheering for him.

ALVARADO: Well, they don't want to get shot. They're happy. They're all constituents, right? Because they also have to win the elections to stay in office. And the reality is that the book is out the door. It's been out the door for a few months. There is really no way to determine what outcome's going to come out of this. But the reality is everybody's out on their own. The Republican Party is fractured. I think our RNC chair has done a fantastic job of trying to keep together this very unfortunate moment in the last 72 hours with this attack to the judge. The question is, is this the end of it? Or is there more to come? And I think that is the concern that many Republicans have, including yours truly.

SESAY: The other question and concern Republicans have is what this is going to do to fund-raising, fund raising efforts. There are reports that people don't want to open up their checkbooks for someone like Donald Trump. How concerned are you about him being able to build up that war chest that can take up Hillary Clinton?

ALVARADO: Well, the donors are very important, but I think expand more on your statement is does the money go to i.e., does it go to political action committees? You know, the so-called dark money? Or does it go straight to the candidates or does it go to the party? And that's the problem when there's no clear leadership, the donors are going to shut their doors and they're not give money to anybody. And that's the concern because our main concern is now Donald Trump is on his own, but we're going to fight very hard to protect the governorships and senate seats and the congressional seats.

VAUSE: Very quickly, even when Donald Trump uses a prompter and tries to stay on message like he did last night, there are still gaffs.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE: We're going to rebuild our inner cities, which are absolutely a shame and so sad, going to take care of our African American people that have been mistreated for so long.

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VAUSE: Our African-American. Wendy, you know, in Donald Trump's defense, is he just part of that generation? He's 70 years old. He just doesn't know that that type of language isn't appropriate? Doesn't necessarily make him a racist?

GREUEL: I know a lot of 70-year-olds, and they don't act like Donald Trump.

VAUSE: I know what a 70-year-old to do.

GREUEL: They don't. I mean when you have Paul Ryan saying, you know, that this is a textbook definition of racism, his own party's nominee, and then you talk about fund-raising, I mean, those are the people who are supposed to fund raise for the president of the United States. I think that Donald Trump can't help himself, because that's who he is. And the comments that he makes. And that's why he is so scary and why this election is so important.

VAUSE: OK. We will leave it there.

SESAY: Wendy, Luis, always a pleasure. Thank you so much to both of you.

ALVARADO: Thank you.

VAUSE: A short break here. When we come back, a crowded Tel Aviv market becomes a terror scene. We'll have more cop story in a moment.

SESAY: Plus, the Iraqi military is claiming a major victory in the city of Fallujah. Details straight ahead.

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[00:31:13] VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. You're watching "CNN NEWSROOM" live from Los Angeles. I'm John Vause.

SESAY: And I'm Isha Sesay. The headlines this hour, the Iraqi Military said is recaptured the neighborhood in the city of Fallujah for first time in its current offensive. And it's advancing on other neighborhood as ISIS militants abandon their position.

Despite the gains there are concerns about tens of thousands of civilians trap in Fallujah. ISIS captured the city in 2014.

VAUSE: An activist group says at least 15 civilians were killed when Syrian government aircraft bombed a residential area in Aleppo. The group says barrel bombs were used at least one district. Most (inaudible) died in raid near hospital.

SESAY: Folks police say they have arrested a woman for burning her daughter alive over a marriage dispute. Authorities say her daughter had eloped. The woman's mother and brother tied her to a bed and set her on fire. She died on the spot police say. The mother turned herself in, but the son is on the run.

VAUSE: British Prime Minister David Cameron is calling a terror threat had the European football championship severe. The U.K. is issued a new travel advisory to France to several million fans are expected to attend the tournament.

France is deploying nearly a hundred thousand security forces to save guard the event which begin on Friday.

SESAY: Now at least four people are dead, five others wounded in a terror attack at a busy market in Tel Aviv. Police say two Palestinians opened fire Wednesday, both were arrested. One was shot by police.

VAUSE: The U.S. state department issued a statement saying "The United States condemns today's horrific terrorist attack in Tel Aviv in the strongest possible terms. We extend our deepest condolences to the families of those killed and our hopes for a quick a recovery for those wounded. These cowardly attacks against innocent civilians can never be justified. We are in touch with Israeli authorities to express our support and concern."

SESAY: Consul General of Israel to the Southwestern U.S. He joins us here in Los Angeles. Thank you so much for coming in to join us.

DAVID SIEGEL CONSUL GENERAL OF ISRAEL TO THE SOUTHWESTERN U.S.: Thank you.

SESAY: At this very difficult time. Secretary Clinton put a statement swiftly on the Tel Aviv attack and we want to share that with our viewers. "Should I stand in solidarity with the Israeli people in the face of these ongoing threats and in unwavering support of the country's right to defend itself. Israel security must remain non- negotiable."

The kind of statement a man are you wanting here for the likes of Hillary Clinton and other world leaders.

SIEGEL: Yeah. We think this is a horrific terror attack against innocent civilians that were shot at close range and that should be roundly condemned around the world. And we are seeing very significant condemnations that we do appreciate.

VAUSE: Yeah, many people may not be aware of this, but there is a security arrangement in place with the Palestinian authority at least for the west bank where these two gunmen came from. On this attack, has there been much help, must coordination coming from the Palestinian authority?

SIEGEL: Well, there has been very important ongoing security coordination which we hope will continue. This investigation is still ongoing to see exactly how they got in to where they penetrated in Tel Aviv. This was a trendy, hip part of Tel Aviv, a very crowded evening. It was a restaurant, a chocolate cafe, a dessert cafe.

So we need to investigate exactly what happened there. But we're seeing, you know, incitement, we're seeing, you know, statements about heroism, celebrations in the streets, and this is not, not conducive at all.

SESAY: Without mind, the statements have been put out as you say referencing heroism and the like, how will the Israel respond to this attack? SIEGEL: Well, again this is ongoing. We will do everything we can to defend our civilians, and we'll continue to do what we need to do in terms of security. But the point here is that when you have this kind of situation, when you have terror groups glorifying what happened and calling for more, this is something that, again, should be roundly condemned. It's unacceptable. And Israel will do what it needs to do to defend itself.

[00:35:07] VAUSE: These attacks have been ongoing for months now, knives, cars, and now, you know, shooting people at almost point blank range. A lot of people say that one of the reasons for this is because there's an absence of piece of the peace process. There's an absence of hope.

Now, regardless of who you blame for the break down in the negotiations, would you at least agree with the premise?

SIEGEL: Well, I think first of all, it's totally unacceptable and unjustifiable to attack innocent civilians, you know.

VAUSE: Absolutely.

SIEGEL: Wherever and certainly is this kind of situation. I mean, there were families, there were children in that restaurant ...

VAUSE: A child was shot as well, I think.

SIEGEL: Well, it's just a terrible situation. And there's no justification for it. Now regarding the peace moves, and there has been attempts in the region to start moving that again. And Israel's been calling for direct negotiations between the two parties, but when you have these kinds of attacks and you have celebrations in the streets and fireworks and giving out candy while our side is mourning and will be mourning and severely morning in the next few days.

Again, this is not the kind of atmosphere that we need to see in order to move the two parties closer together.

SESAY: As you speak to officials in Israel, let me ask you this. There's been no claim of responsibility for this attack as of yet. And is there any reason to believe that the two who perpetrated this attack were not simply working as a unit of two, that they have no connections to any kind of terror group? What are you hearing?

SIEGEL: Well, again, it is an ongoing investigation, but it could very well be that they operated on their own, but when you say operating on your own, in an atmosphere of incitement, of calls for attacks, this is, again, something that we don't want see. It should be roundly condemned. Whether it's organization or not, but again it's an ongoing investigation.

VAUSE: David, thank you for coming in.

SESAY: Yeah, thank you

SIEGEL: Thank you very much. I appreciate it. VAUSE: We'll take a short break. When we come back, Hillary Clinton has had a makeover, and we'll tell you what's behind hear expensive wardrobe and why no one seems to care that Trump's not wearing any bargain bin outfits.

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VAUSE: Well, Hillary Clinton makes some political history. Her wardrobe is making headlines.

SESAY: The critics slamming her fashion choices saying she can't be one of the masses with suits most people can't afford.

VAUSE: She wore Giorgio Armani tweed jacket during a speech about income inequality. Reportedly cost more than $12,000 retail.

SESAY: And joining us now is Patsy Cisneros, she is an Execute and Political and Specialist and owner of a Corporate Icon here in L.A. Patsy, it's so good to have with us.

PATSY CISNEROS, OWNER, CORPORATE ICON: Thank you for having me.

SESAY: We're making the point that the jacket, $12,945 originally right now, if you were to go on sale, if you were to go online you'd find it for $7,500 bargain.

CISNEROS: Yes. (Inaudible).

[00:40:00] SESAY: It's tweed, its leather. Some have created the point.

CISNEROS: Lambskin.

SESAY: Oh, lambskin leather. But, put that to the side. The question is, was it the wrong move on the part of Hillary Clinton to worn a jacket that cost that much for a speech on inequality.

CISNEROS: Well stated, because it isn't this what it cost or how nice it looked or didn't look on her. That's not the opinion. It's what she wore for that subject matter. It's about wearing the right thing at the right time for the right message. So she could wear that jacket anytime, any other time, perhaps, but this time it did not tie in to her message.

VAUSE: Let's take a look at the makeover. Because we've had a closer look at some of the cloths that she's now wearing and, you know, why it's actually working for her because she has some criticism in the past.

So what's working for her and what's not?

CISNEROS: OK. What's working for her is her hair improved. She's at a softer look now with her blond and butterscotch coloring in her hair. Her makeup is being done professionally. The makeup artist who does some veep and did west wing and then, she has an image consultant who is picking out clothing. Now here's what I'm liking, and that is more textures being used. And that's on purpose. We image consultants put texture on a client who needs to look more approachable. A little softer. So that's working. And that's why that jacket was chosen to give her a softer look.

SESAY: But, you know, other who say this is a very definition of sexism, this whole notion of, you know, this overemphasis on what Hillary Clinton or any female politician is wearing. And the likes of Donald Trump who has made himself the champion of a common man wear suits that retail enterprise of $7,000 from Brioni. He himself has said he likes him. But that doesn't make headlines. People don't really seem to care.

CISNEROS: No, and they're not asking about the price of things with him. He already is a very wealthy man as we know.

SESAY: As is Hillary Clinton.

CISNEROS: And as is Hillary Clinton, exactly. So the equality is not about how much are they spending is, are they wearing the right thing at the right time for the message. That is always go be to be what we'll talk about. So really, the message right now should be "Oh, we have a female that is the presumptive candidate for the Democratic Party. But it was stolen away because she wore the wrong thing at the wrong time.

VAUSE: Let's get back into our hot tub time machine here and let's go back to the '90s to Hillary Clinton First Lady and back into the 2000s these for Hillary Clinton with Senator.

CISNEROS: Yes.

VAUSE: And she back in the 90s, she was criticized for wearing frumpy skirts. And then in 2000s, it was the sisterhood of the traveling pant suits. So why, you know, does she come in for such criticism.

SESAY: So you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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VAUSE: Why did another thing at to word?

CISNEROS: Well, here is my opinion. I didn't like what she was wearing before and I felt that she didn't feel it was important what she wore back then, because it wasn't critical. Her message or where she was going, what she was running for? What she was representing was just not that important for her to even pay attention to her hair. She would wear ponytails. She would wear hair clips. She would wear headbands. She didn't care about her makeup. Her clothes didn't matter. It didn't matter. It was her message to her. It's like a resume without wearing the right clothes for the interview.

VAUSE: We'll look at to 2008. There's a huge backlash against Sarah Palin V.P. nominee. She got to makeover. This is how we reported it here on CNN with Jeanne Moos.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Sarah Palin before, Sarah Palin after.

After what?

After her new $150,000 wardrobe.

They spent $75,000 in Neiman Marcus in one trip, then $50,000 at Saks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh. That's great. I'll run for V.P.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SESAY: I mean again, damned if you do, damned if you ...

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VAUSE: Why backlash with Palin but not so much for Clinton?

SESAY: There's a backlash.

CISNEROS: Oh, there is both exactly.

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SESAY: Yeah, they both having the same.

CISNEROS: I also agree with that.

VAUSE: Yes.

CISNEROS: But here's what, it's the before and after situation.

SESAY: Yeah.

CISNEROS: That we were looking at the loud colors that she was wearing before. Sarah Palin, what was happening with Hillary Clinton? Wearing loud colors? Hot, hot pink, hot, hot orange just recently. Hot banana yellow for a debate. I mean, she's had that and now it's an improvement. Yehey, we've got an improvement.

VAUSE: Patsy, thank you so much.

SESAY: Patsy, such a pleasure.

VAUSE: No, hot, hot colors.

SESAY: I'm wearing hot, hot red.

VAUSE: You wear it well.

CISNEROS: You wear it well.

SESAY: OK.

CISNEROS: That's right. SESAY: Thank you so much.

And thank for watching CNN NEWSROOM live from Los Angeles. I'm Isha Sesay.

VAUSE: I'm John Vause, a live edition of world sport is up next with Patrick Snell, Maria Sharapova. A shocker in game three of the NBA Finals, Patrick.

PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Isha, John yeah, absolutely.

We're all asking what is next for Russia's five-time grand slam champ. We're going to be updating on that.

[00:45:00] Plus the game three you mentioned. It was one LeBron James said that Cleveland dare not lose. So did his teammates here him loud and clear? I wonder if CNN World Sport update coming a way just moments please stay with us.

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