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Trump Lashes Out At Reporters Covering Him; Trump Slams Trump Univ. Lawsuit Judge; Dueling Democrats; Libertarian Nominee Takes On Trump; Libertarian Nominee: Marijuana "Makes The World A Better Place"; Murder Victim's Family Sues U.S. Migration; Exclusive Ridealong With ICE Team; Tensions Rise As Trump, Clinton Race Looms; Kate Steinle's Family Files Lawsuit; Undercover In A "Sanctuary City". Aired 9-10p ET
Aired May 31, 2016 - 21:00 ET
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[21:03:41] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening. Welcome come back. Anyone looking for a preview of how Donald Trump might conduct the White House Press Conference, he got a pretty great preview today. He even said so. He said that under the right circumstances of what happens today at the lobby Trump Tower could easily unfold again next year, 16,000 Pennsylvania Avenue.
So we begin the hour with that with Donald Trump, facing questions over his fundraising for veterans groups and his anger at some of the questions being asked. He took aim at the number of reporters including CNN Senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta
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JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: It was supposed to be a day for Donald Trump to salute the nation's veterans and highlight the $5.6 million he's raised for their causes.
DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is my check for million dollars.
ACOSTA: Trump ticked off the more than 40 groups he claims are receiving donations. Some in a hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Fisher House Foundation to the Bob Woodruff Family Foundation and the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund, but clearly curious after months of questions about exactly where the money is going Trump engaged in some verbal conduct of his own against the target he's attacked before.
TRUMP: You know my opinion of the media is very low.
ACOSTA: The news media.
TRUMP: Instead of being like thank you very much Mr. Trump or Trump did a good job, everyone is saying, who got it? Who got it? Who got it and you make me look very bad.
ACOSTA: So Trump took aim at the reporters, asking the questions. You keep calling us, the designed as press? It seems as though you're resistant to scrutiny, or the kind of scrutiny that comes with -- running for president of the United States ...
[21:05:06] TRUMP: I like scrutiny. But you know what? When I raise money -- excuse me. Excuse me. I've watched you on television. You're a real beauty. What I don't want is when I raise millions of dollars have people say like this sleazy guy right over here from ABC. He's a sleaze in my book.
ACOSTA: Trump went on to say he never wanted any credit for helping Veterans causes.
TRUMP: But I didn't want to have credit for. Now actually though what I got was worst in credit because they were questioning me.
ACOSTA: But it was Trump who launched his fundraising drive as a major media event rivaling a GOP debate in Iowa he was skipping.
TRUMP: We actually raised close to six to be totally honest. But -- and I have to say, a lot more to come.
ACOSTA: The presumptive GOP nominee also fired off on questions being raise at Trump University, the real estate school he founded that's being sued by a former student who say it's nothing more than a fraud.
Newly release document and the case reveals some of the programs aggressive sales techniques including a play book that focussed on how to market more expensive courses to students. Trump has questioned the motives of the judge handling the case noting his ethnicity.
TRUMP: So what happens is the judge who happens to be -- we believe Mexican which is great. I think that's fine.
ACOSTA: When asked why he highlighted the judges' heritage Trump didn't answer the question.
Why mentioned at the judges Mexican if?
TRUMP: Because I'm a man of principle and most of the people that took those courses have letters saying they thought it was great, essentially.
ACOSTA: As Trump told reporters today his combative style isn't about to change. Even at White House Press Conferences.
TRUMP: It is going to be like this David. If the press writes false stories like they did with this.
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COOPER: Jim, Donald Trump doesn't seem to feel very threatened about a third-party bid. How does he feel he did at today's news conference?
ACOSTA: Oh, that's right, Trump wrote off the chances of a third- party challenge, Anderson in the upcoming general election campaign. He described the libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson as a fringe candidate. But he's defending his performance at today's news conference owning at a tweet that was just posted in the last hour saying that Hillary Clinton has not had a news conference in a long time. So he's trying to at least put the measurement out there that well, today might have been a little rocky but at least he's holding news conferences. Something that Hillary Clinton does not do as often as he does, Anderson.
COOPER: Well, that is certainly true. In fact Jake Tapper asked Hillary Clinton about that today. Today, Jim Acosta, Jim thanks very much.
Reaction now from Katrina Pierson, National Spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, Katrina thanks very much for being with us. It was interesting ...
KATRINA PIERSON, NATIONAL SPOKESWOMAN, TRUMP CAMPAIGN: Nice to be here, Anderson.
COOPER: This press conference is obviously, you know, fascinating to watch and interesting on a whole number of reasons. But one of the things Donald Trump said is that, you know, he did this thing and obviously any amount of money donated to veterans charities is a great thing and he gave, you know, millions of dollars of personal money as well but he seemed to take issue with the reporters asking where did the money go? Where did the money go? Shouldn't reporters ask those questions?
PIERSON: Well, they should but I think that the bigger question here is why is it's so lopsided. The questioning on Donald Trump is 24/7, seven days a week and we don't see any questions going towards Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation which is definitely something we should be looking at considering how this is an event and I'll remind you and your viewers, Anderson, this day was put together in 24 hours and there were pledges that were made.
And so of course it took time to bring that money in, to get that money allocated, to from get these charities vetted and to get that money disbursed. And the headline on CNN was "Trump campaign admits he didn't Raise $6 Million." But why -- he shouldn't have been -- Trump campaign raise $5.6 million. And this is the type of bias that happens in the media that Mr. Trump is talking about.
COOPER: Well, isn't the reporter's job to trump a candidate or is the reporter's job to be critical and question a candidate?
PIERSON: I think it's the reporter's job to be non-biased and to report the facts. And this is the problem that we have here and Mr. Trump is absolutely right. I mean, there are reporters out there who are very biased who are corrupt and who are activists, not actual journalists, who just want to get the information out to the people or we would be seeing Hillary Clinton questioned about the campaign contribution going to the Clinton Foundation, the $500,000 Bill received for speech in Moscow while making a uranium mine deal from Canada to Russia but no one even talking about that in the media. COOPER: Right, but the fact that you even know about that tells me that actually there has been a lot of reporting on that. In fact Hillary Clinton has probably been reported on more than really any candidate or any individual, I mean for decades now. I mean, it just about everything ...
PIERSON: No, not at all.
COOPER: Really, so the fact that you know about a speech of Bill Clinton made, the fact that you know about issues with -- I mean, you didn't do your own reporting on that. That's been reported by others?
[21:10:00] PIERSON: Absolutely. There's information out there because there are journalists out there that do their jobs but you don't see that in the 24 hour news cycle. Let me give you an example. CNN spent a week talking about an audio recording from the '90s when yet there is an audio recording in the '90s that Hillary Clinton defending a child sex abuser, but we haven't heard them on CNN for the 24 hours.
COOPER: Well, actually ...
PIERSON: But we focus on a publicist.
COOPER: Right. Actually you're wrong because that particular story and that particular audio was brought up by a Trump supporter on my broadcast and we actually spent several weeks doing a story about it and we heard that story I think it was last week or two weeks ago.
PIERSON: Twenty-four hours, headlines, 24 hours, Anderson. Look, the American public knows this is what's happening. Whether or not people inside D.C. or in the media want to admit it. The people know that there is a bias when it comes to journalism and they know that Mr. Trump is being treated unfairly because Mrs. Clinton is not being at these tough questions. She won't even go on some of the news programs and Mr. (inaudible) on all network.
COOPER: I agree with you on that. In fact I've been saying this from the get go that your candidate has given the interviews and I have actually, you know, not to use the word trumpeted but I've trumpeted that the fact that your candidate shows up for interviews which I going to say Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton none of these others have actually done.
So I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't get credit for that because I give him credit for showing up and actually answering questions which frankly, a lot of politicians don't.
Let me ask you, earlier today ...
PIERSON: Right.
COOPER: ... Donald Trump said that he didn't want credit for these donations that he wanted to keep it private, which is very possible but at the same time this whole thing started because he wasn't taking part of the Fox debate and he decided to do this and to his credit decided, you know where, I'm going to raise money at the same time for veterans.
So to say that he didn't want attention paid to this the whole idea was for people not to watch the Fox debate but to watch his event which was raising money for veterans, right?
PIERSON: Well, it mean that doesn't makes it sound like this was some preconceived idea but that simply wasn't the case. And as you know, Mr. Trump has a very public business life and even parts of his personal life but he's also a very charitable person. The family as a whole, are very charitable people and they don't do these types of things very publicly and that's what you're seeing translating with Mr. Trump as a candidate.
Yes, he did have a very public event. He also released 22 charities that they had already -- that they were already going to be receiving those funds and so that should have been the end of it. But no, the media kept pushing. In some cases the media was insinuating that Trump organization was pocketing the money for crying out loud. And so that's where a lot of this -- the frustration comes from.
COOPER: I want to ask you about the U.S. district judge in the Trump University case, Judge Gonzalo Curiel. Donald Trump has said that this judge is "we believe Mexican" was the term that Trump used. He's obviously an American citizen, Mexicans, you know, citizens are not judges in the United States. You acknowledge that right I mean that he's not Mexican?
PIERSON: Oh, yes. His parents are Mexican but I think the bigger picture here is the idea that Mr. Trump also said during that same speech is that he doesn't like Mr. Trump, he's a Trump hater and we do know that this judge is friends with the lawyers of the opposing people in this case and he's appointed two law firms to represent the people going up against Mr. Trump.
One of those law firms the principal, the Hillary Clinton campaign supporter and the other law firm was the Barack Obama supporter and a moveon.org contributor and that organization has admitted to putting together some of these anti-Trump protests. But Mr. Trump is just stating the obvious.
COOPER: So, when you say that he's a Trump hater, you're basing in that on this thing about the law firms or do you have any actual evidence that he actually hates Donald Trump?
PIERSON: Well, I think Mr. Trump has had more interaction with this judge than you or I, so I trust his judgment. If he does say that there is something about in this judge ...
COOPER: So it's a gut feeling on his -- I'm just trying to -- for the record, it's more of a gut feeling on his part that he feels he's being unfairly treated by this judge.
PIERSON: Well, he does feel that he's being unfairly treated by this judge. And there had been instances that have occurred as he mentioned this should have been settled in a summery judgment and this should be handled last year but the judge moved it, once again. And so, now we are seeing an another portion of activism of releasing sealed documents.
And this is a part of the problem as well because the people out there, the voters know how detrimental it can be when you have activist judges on the bench and now they're just seeing this play out nationally.
COOPER: Katrina Pierson, appreciate you being on. Thank you very much.
PIECE: Thanks for being here.
COOPER: Going to take this up with the panel next. More on this as well as the Clinton/Sanders battle, the one side says it's over while the others making plans to overcome the numbers that now if you're instrumentable.
Plus, a big California boost for Secretary Clinton, later my conversation with the one candidate who is already his party's nominee, libertarian Gary Johnson, and why he believes the countries such a deep hunger right now for an alternative.
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[21:18:49] COOPER: I spoke a moment ago with Trump spokeswoman, Katrina Pierson about Donald Trump's press conference today and his attacks on reporters asking questions about his fund raising fro veterans groups as well as his attacks on a judge in the lawsuit against the so called Trump University.
Back with the panel at this hour. Gloria, just to intrude, let's talk about that press conference? We haven't really discussed it with the panel. Obviously any time for a Republican candidate attacking the media it plays very well with the base.
GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Sure. It place well with the base, it will continue to play well with the base as it did during the campaign. But when you are in a general election you need to broaden -- you need to broaden that base. And I think the question that's raised and I don't know the answer at this point is a temperament.
And I think Donald Trump was angry and he lashed out with invective the journalists and I know journalists are really easy targets so that's, you know, that's OK, but I think the questions will be raised and you'll see Hillary Clinton doing it and others doing it about temperament. And I think that's something he's going to have to answer.
COOPER: I mean, I'll just throw this out.
BORGER: Yeah.
COOPER: How much do you think this is about Donald Trump not having experience in politics and having had decades of relationships and coverage as a social figure, as a business figure as a figure in New York and not had the kind of, you know, cynical or aggressive or whatever it is vetting now that is it being done.
[21:20:09] MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: But I think -- I'm sorry. I think that's a huge part of what it is. He enters this race thinking I have plenty of media experience, I play a media savvy and he does.
BORGER: He does.
HILL: But he's used to having them eating out of his hand because he's feeding them stories and even when they're critical of him, that's a small group of people compare to who's watching him and celebrating and socially giving him the infomercial. And now it's now is for relationship, they're here to critique him.
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COOPER: If a private civilian raises $6 million for veterans groups, no one is going to say necessarily, well has the money been distributed. Where as you know, it's, oh that's a nice thing this person did and Donald Trump, was, you know, seems to have given a lot of money over the years gets that kind of coverage. So, suddenly to be a candidate and, you know, saying you gave money as a candidate the questions are well, what groups are they vetted and all things like that.
CHRISTINE QUINN, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Great and you said $6 million but you only did $5.6 million at political press.
COOPER: But too his -- I mean early on he did say nearly $6 million.
QUINN: But to my point, it's that's what the political press does. Right? And that's not what he's not used to it. It's very different than kind of the society press or the TV media press and this is only going to build. And this is the national press. I mean, I've done it in New York. They never let up and they're not going to let up. And I think what we're going to see is more and more moments where he comes close to and then blows his top and for independent voters, that's going to make them, gosh so I want someone like that negotiating.
COOPER: Jeffrey?
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: One thing that I think we're forgetting here. If you remember back in 1988 when then Vice President George H.W. Bush sat down with Dan Rather ...
COOPER: Right.
LORD: ... and Rather tried to pin him up, pin him on Iran country, I think I'm correct in saying that it was Roger Hailes who said to Vice President Bush, go after him and bring up the fact that, you know ...
BORGER: Sure.
LORD: ... then some incident where he walked off a set.
COOPER: You're right.
LORD: Right, right. So he turned on him ...
COOPER: In silence?
LORD: ... and he did this and silenced him, you know, up win his numbers.
BORGER: Can I just say, here's what we learned today about Donald Trump which he said flat out. I'm not going to change. Everybody was talking about will Donald Trump be more presidential? Is he going to change his tone? Is he going to be more inclusive of the Republican Party?
He came out today and said I'm not going to change. So all the Republicans who are hopeful that they might be seeing a different kind of Donald Trump now that he's the presumptive nominee we're told directly today that this is who I am so get over it. This is who I'm going to be.
COOPER: It's like papa, I am what I am. I mean it worked for papa and as worked for Donald Trump. I mean he is ...
LORD: Exactly why change?
TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Up until now but I think the idea that a general election was completely different matters because independent voters aren't as invested in a party structure or they know it as married to party loyalty. They're going to look at this and go well wait a minute. You know, something that Katrina Pierson said in your interview before, she said, Oh it's about the facts.
You know, well, the facts are what got us here in the first place because the facts were that Donald Trump could not account for where the money went, the campaign was putting -- was couldn't answer direct questions, simple questions about where the veterans' money went. When they through half hazard event together with 24 hours like she said and they had a link going directly to the Trump campaign website, where people who wanted to donate to veterans which raises a red flag, it's also against the IRS rules, and then it took a "Washington Post" reporter to shame Donald Trump into writing that million dollar check. What took him four months to do it. It took a Washington ...
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COOPER: A number of checks weren't actually written until the "Washington Post" article came out.
SETMAYER: That's correct, those are facts, so just like another fact Jeffrey, this -- the Clinton supporting law firm in this Trump University case has nothing to do with the fact that the first cases were filed in 2013 against the Trump University fraud scheme. These are things that are facts.
LORD: By an attorney general I might add, who was after the Trump family for money didn't get it and get started to do the old ...
COOPER: OK.
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SETMAYER: That has nothing to do with that lawsuits against from University for fraud before he ever run for president. Those are facts that, you know, that's why we're here, that's what the media is therefore to scrutinize those things.
COOPER: The attack on the media stuff does it play well in a general election?
RICK LAZIO, FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN: It does play well. I think it plays well with the independents. Sorry, I don't know as well with Republicans. I think it's part of all the crumbling of institutions and how people perceive people that have been in power and feeding them information, lots of distress and they think sometimes people in the media, specially mainstream media are a little smug and they're like to see some smack down.
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COOPER: Let him finish.
LAZIO: But I will say this also, you know, he is controlling the discussion. He is dominating the air time once again and I don't think it's going to be particularly damaging for him although I do think he went a little overboard and I do think starting to call people names likes he pleases, very unpresidential but I don't think he's going to hurt him very much.
HILL: It works until people don't trust you anymore. Instead with Hillary with e-mail right? You can say hey, that media is after me but people don't believe you at the core then at a certain point they don't believe that you even grandstanding. Same thing with Donald Trump. If more effects coming about Trump University and it looks like he's being dishonest, you can't keep him in the media.
[21:25:10] QUINN: And he has at some level of control for your argument Rick to play out. And I don't think Donald Trump has ever shown he has that level of control. He doesn't know when to stop.
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LAZIO: But he's controlling the story right now, right? And he has been throughout the entire primary season.
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COOPER: I'll try to regain some control like -- after the break, you know, and to look much further in Trump and Clinton's unfavorability ratings to see that there are plenty of voters out there who are terribly excited about either of those candidates. And that's former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson is hoping to come in. He's been nominated into the Libertarian Party candidate. I will speak with Governor Johnson when we come back about his platform and why he says it's important to call out Trump on the policies that Governor Johnson calls flat out racist.
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COOPER: Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson was nominated this weekend as the presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party. His running mate is former Massachusetts governor, Bill Weld.
Governor Johnson is not always included in polling but take a look at this. In a Fox News national poll from two weeks ago he got 10 percent with the strongest support coming from voters under 35. We're going to talk to Governor Johnson in just a moment. But, first I want to play you just a bit of what he said over the weekend after he was officially nominated. He was ask how he will be taking Donald Trump on. Take a look.
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[21:30:14] GARY JOHNSON, LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not taking him on -- on the fact that he wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants. Taking him on, on wanting to build a fence across the boarder that's nuts. Taking him on when he says that Mexicans are murderers and rapists when -- and it's incendiary of boarder State Governors incendiary 50 percent of the population of New Mexico that his talking about Hispanic, Mexicans in this way when they absolute opposite is true.
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JOHNSON: Absolutely call him out on what it really racist it's just racist.
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COOPER: I spoke with Gary Johnson a short time ago before we went on the air.
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COOPER: And Governor Johnson first of all congratulations on becoming the Libertarian candidate along with your running mate Bill Weld do you obviously as we just heard take issue with Trump's immigration policies your running mate Bill Weld has compared Trump's deportation plan to Nazi policies against Jews. Do you agree with that?
JOHNSON: I do, you know, coming from New Mexico a boarder state what he is saying is just in the incendiary New Mexico is one of the four minority, majority states 50 percent of the population of New Mexico is Hispanic. So what does that mean when we're going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants? Well, arguably half the state of New Mexico is going to be subject to door knocking and house searches and paper checking.
COOPER: But you see it as inherently racist? JOHNSON: I do, I think that first of all, he calls them murderers and rapists. Looks statistically they commit far less crime than U.S. citizens. They're the cream of the crop when it comes to workers they're not taking jobs that U.S. citizens want. We should make it as easy as possible for somebody who wants to come in this country to work be able to get a work visa and a work visa should entail a background check and a social security card so taxes get paid.
COOPER: Libertarians traditionally align more some on economic principles with Republicans than Democrats going forward do you see Donald Trump as your main rival and therefore the main target of your critiques or how do you see the race ahead.
JOHNSON: Well no, I think it's equally from both sides my name has appeared in the three national polls and in the those three national polls and look it took more votes away from Hillary than Trump but at the end of the day I think we take equally from both sides.
COOPER: So you don't see yourself as a spoiler candidate against Donald Trump that's going to lead to Hillary Clinton getting elected. You think you take people away from both.
JOHNSON: Well I do and there's so many things that Trump has to say, immigration, free trade, you know, he talks about free trade but then in the next sentence he says I'm going to force Apple to make their iPads and iPhones in the United States. He talks about a 35 percent tariff, it lacks about bringing back water boarding or worst killing the families of Muslim terrorists really this is the United States of America that's unconstitutional.
COOPER: I want to run through just quickly if I can a number of issues and get your take on it because a lot of people are just learning about you probably for the first time fairly or not. On the issue of abortion where do you stand?
JOHNSON: I support a women's right to choose how can there be a more difficult issue that only should be address by the woman involved.
COOPER: Legalized marijuana for recreational purposes.
JOHNSON: Yes and very quickly on marijuana, look I think it makes the world a better place on the medicinal side you've got marijuana products that directly compete with legal prescription drugs that's statistically killed 100,000 people a year. Not one documented death due to marijuana.
And then on the recreational side legalizing marijuana in my opinion will lead to less overall substance abuse because it's so much safer than everything else that's out there starting with alcohol.
COOPER: And just to be clear up until January first you were actually the CEO of a recreational marijuana company call Cannabis Sativa, right?
JOHNSON: Yes and for the reasons that I mentioned that I really do believe that legalizing marijuana does make the world a better place, safer products accomplishing the same results.
COOPER: Marriage equality where do you stand?
JOHNSON: I absolutely support marriage equality.
COOPER: In terms of national security threats to the United States where do you think that the top national security threats or the top three even?
JOHNSON: Well the top national security is threat in my opinion is North Korea at some point Kim -- these intercontinental ballistic missiles are going to actually work. And so diplomacy to the hilt, involve China when it comes to North Korea potentially unifying the Korea is something that's been talked about and potentially removing 40,000 troops out of South Korea.
COOPER: You'll need to be polling at 15 percent nationally to be invited to debate Clinton and assuming she's the nominee and Trump how do you like that chances?
[21:35:03] JOHNSON: The issue is, you know, I've been in three national polls which is three more national polls than I was in, in 2012 but showing up at 10 percent, 10 percent, 11 percent well guess what there have been 40 other national polls go by where my name hasn't appeared.
So really key to this whole equation is being in the polls at the end of the day the presidential debate commission which really oversees a rigged game, its Democrats and Republicans and they have no intention of fixing a third-party in the debates at the end of the day they'll say, hey Gary Johnson he didn't poll very well. What they won't say is that Gary Johnson wasn't in any of these polls.
COOPER: Governor Johnson it's a pleasure to talk to you. Good luck to you.
JOHNSON: Hey. Thank you, Anderson.
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COOPER: We're going to talk that more after break. Also ahead tonight Donald Trump often mentions a case from California where a woman was killed allegedly an undocumented immigrant who had been deported multiple times. The family of that woman, Kate Steinle is now suing US Immigration and Customs Enforcement and others, more on that.
And we'll take you inside the pursuit of illegal immigrants who have been convicted of crimes, this time in Chicago, one of hundreds of so- called sanctuary cities to see what's at stake.
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[21:40:06] COOPER: Before the break we heard from Libertarian Party presidential nominee Gary Johnson. Back now with our panel.
Jeffrey as a Trump supporter, are you at all concerned about Gary Johnson taking votes away essentially from Donald Trump?
LORD: No and listen -- I was listening to him, I mean I met him here I think very nice guy and listening to him frankly he sounds like more of a liberal than a libertarian and I frankly think if he's going to take votes from anybody it will be Hillary Clinton, not from Donald Trump.
COOPER: Interesting, Tara what do you think?
SETMAYER: I don't think so necessarily but in a year where you have 44 percent of the American people saying they're open to a third-party candidate, I think Gary Johnson will get more of a look than he has in the past.
COOPER: I mean to his point, he's polling at 10 percent even though most polls don't bring up his name.
SETMAYER: Included, right in somewhere like Pennsylvania remember we go by electoral college Pennsylvania is a close seat 52, 48 last time a couple of percentage points could shift that so possibly.
COOEPR: Do you think -- Rick do you think he takes away. He and Bill Weld?
LAZIO: If you look at how well Hillary Clinton has been doing with young people under 30 which she's been crushed by Bernie Sanders there's a huge opportunity it seems to me for the Libertarians. They're going to appeal by message and maybe as alternative in terms of style to lots of voters so they could do quite well. They assume they're going to a lot prior than they did in the last election.
BORGER: You know, there's going to be a close race and everybody who covered election 2000 remembers Ralph Nader and Al Gore, people will tell you that even though we got what one two or three percent of the vote they believe that that was really what turned the election against them. So nobody is too small to disrupt an election this time around I don't think and I think you have to pay attention in everything.
HILL: And I think in particular while he's a Libertarian so obviously less government will appeal in certain ways -- to certain types of voters and others and other way. So I think the trade issue in particular will appeal to some conservatives who feel like that Donald Trump is to interventions. But I think it's important for us as media and proponents to keep these third-party candidates in the conversation. Not just him but also Jill Stein the Green Party, who I endorse. I think it's important for us to have these people in the conversation because they matter and they can win if we vote for them.
BORGER: They can win the presidency?
HILL: If enough people vote for them yeah, right. I think that's how it works there.
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BORGER: Theoretically.
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COOPER: And Hillary Clinton, do you think she knows how to campaign against Donald Trump and do you think her campaign knows how to counter Donald Trump?
QUINN: Yeah, absolutely, look I think the campaign is running two races right now we're finishing the Democratic primary and preparing to run in the general election and I have no doubt that when we fully move into the general election you're going to see the secretary be even sharper and more on point and more directed as it relates to the real threat that Donald Trump is not just to the race but to the country.
And I think you're going do see the campaign and remember her campaign is much more developed than Donald Trump's is and Donald Trump's will ever be there's a tremendous social media operation, a field operation where we see this message not just from her but in every single campaign.
COOPER: But I mean just, you know, we had Katrina Pierson on the Trump's post in earlier -- spokeswoman earlier who was saying, you know, Donald Trump gives press conferences and Hillary Clinton doesn't which is a very valid point. Who can remember the last time ...
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LORD: One of the things that we were observing and you were observing, I mean the reason he gets into this back and forth today ...
COOPER: And he answer (inaudible).
LORD: ... is because he's answering questions in the first place. He does it all the time. And I think at the end if you've got a candidate who shies -- she doesn't like to do this. So the more she shies away from this and in his case he is exactly what most Republican nominees have not been like which is -- why a lot of Republicans like him because they think he fights and they did not. And he clearly is going to take this right to her.
COOPER: Well, I mean a lot of there's other Republican candidates during the primaries, I mean in terms of as a reporter trying to get interviews it was like they were in the witness protection program.
LORD: Yeah.
COOPER: You cannot get them for an interview.
SETMAYER: But it interestingly enough if you notice Hillary Clinton's been calling in to show. She called in a couple of interviews which is very new for her, she's you know is carrying out to California because she's lost a 20 point lead against ...
COOPER: She's yet to actually call the control room though. (CROSSTALK)
SETMAYER: She's recognizing that she has to be more accessible because Donald Trump is going to keep doing this to her and she's stays in the witness protection order.
BORGER: Her argument against Trump today after this presser was that he would cause grid lock and I wasn't quite sure that this press conference showed that Donald Trump would cause grid lock. If I were Hillary Clinton after this presser I might have talked about the loose cannon temperament stuff.
COOPER: All right just stay ahead at "360" exclusive inside the hunt for undocumented immigrant who've been convicted of crimes and are back on the streets in so-called Sanctuary Cities like Chicago.
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[21:48:10] COOPER: Just as the Memorial Day weekend was beginning the family of Kate Steinle filed a federal lawsuit against San Francisco, a former sheriff and two federal agencies including U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Steinle of course were shot on a San Francisco pier last July while walking with her father.
The man accused of killing her in an undocumented immigrant with seven felony convictions who had been deported five times to Mexico. The shooting happened just weeks after Donald Trump entered the presidential race quickly became part of the heated debate over immigration policy.
The lawsuit that Steinle's filed takes aim at San Francisco's so- called Sanctuary Policy which limits local law enforcement cooperation with federal immigration authorities. The upshot is when local authorities release undocumented immigrant from jail immigration agents aren't told. Hundreds of cities have similar Sanctuary Policies including Chicago.
With Pamela Brown went on a exclusive ride along with an ICE team, here's what she saw.
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PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Under the cloak of darkness in Chicago.
SHAWN BYERS, ICE FUGITIVE OPERATION SUPERVISOR: That one guys.
BROWN: An immigration in customs enforcement team gears up for another long day.
BYERS: Copy.
BROWN: Pursuing undocumented immigrants who have been convicted of crimes in the U.S.
BYERS: We got three targets this morning. BROWN: Team supervisor Shawn Byers.
BYERS: First two, aggravated felon's, drug tracking each of serves at least 10 years in prison. The third one there's possible guns in the situation, so we got to make sure that we're prepared for that as well. All right, let's roll guys.
BROWN: The undocumented convicts they're going after were all released from the Cook County jail without immigration officials being notified.
BYERS: You're adrenalin blood pressure of course goes up when your get ready to do something like this, Bravo team in the neighborhood.
BROWN: The first target.
BYERS: The men in white.
BROWN: A convicted cocaine dealer from Mexico who was arrested again convicted at DUI and released on probation.
BYERS: This individual we could have had from local authorities when he was arrested but recently which would save the tax payers a whole lot of dollars.
[21:50:05] BROWN: It turns out this is the targets brother. He's committed no crime and he's released. ICE officials say mistake like this are made an endless men hours wasted trying to find people they could have picked up at the local jail, were it not for a Cook County law prohibiting local police and jail officials from even notifying ICE before releasing an undocumented criminal back onto the streets.
BYERS: If we were able to arrest them while they're incarcerated, another law enforcement agents of Cook County, would be impossibly identified. It'll be a much safer situation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Next story.
BROWN: A Mexican national who did 10 years in prison for dealing heroine in the U.S.
BYERS: He was recently arrested for driving under influence, and he's also been currently using a U.S. citizen's identity to be able to work and have a driver's license and everything else.
BROWN: And ICE had interaction with him before, right?
BYERS: Yes, we post to remove him at least once in the United States before, so he's been arrested, removed and came back.
BROWN: Cook County and Chicago are among the more than 300 so-called sanctuary jurisdictions across the country, including Miami, New York City and Los Angeles.
JESUS "CHUY" GARCIA, COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS COMMISIONER: I came to Chicago as an immigrant at 9 years of age. BROWN: Commissioner "Chuy" Garcia spearheaded the four-year-old law in Cook County.
GARCIA: The reason that we came up with a policy in Cook County for dealing with ICE detainers was because people were being stopped, arrested for minor infractions.
BROWN: Garcia says the law prevents the deportation of innocent people even though that means convicted criminals in the U.S. illegally are set free.
Why do these people belong in your community?
GARCIA: I'm not saying they belong in my community. What I'm saying is that the overwhelming majority of immigrants are law abiding, hard working individuals making contributions to our country and our society.
BROWN: As the sun rises on Chicago, the risk for the team ramps up.
BYERS: The whole tempo and everything gets escalated.
Ma'am can you open the door, it's the police.
There's a lot of risks when we're having to do this out in the street like this. We always at risk to ourselves, the officers, risk to innocent bystanders.
BROWN: The team finds its third target working at this auto shop on the north side of Chicago, a twice-deported felon with two DUI convictions according to ICE.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any weapons on you?
BROWN: Then, agents realize his brother is also there.
So, why are you checking the brother?
BYERS: Based on preliminary, he looks like he's also illegal. So, we're just going to verify with some of these technologies.
BROWN: They used a new mobile fingerprint scanner on the brother to see if he's ever been stopped by immigration officials before.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, it's a hit.
BROWN: And just then an agent takes off as a third person runs out the back door. They catched him seconds later.
So, if there's a hit with the biometric testing, he'll be brought in to the processing center to see if there's a criminal history?
BYERS: Yeah, we'll bring him in and go from there.
BROWN: As the man's crying wife watches, he admits he is in the U.S. illegally. But a quick check shows he has never had any interactions with Federal immigration officials before, so ICE lets him go.
BYERS: Good luck to you man.
BROWN: Relieved, the man explains why he ran.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was afraid.
BROWN: Why?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know. It's just how it is and sometimes they just take you and they don't care whatever they do, but this time I'm, I guess I'm not one of those.
BROWN: He's just one of three undocumented immigrants ICE let go during a ride along because even though they came to the U.S. illegally, they don't have criminal records. Part of President Obama's initiative to focus on deporting convicted criminals, those considered a treat to public safety and anyone caught crossing the border illegally after January 2014, including women and children.
Head of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson says there was nearly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. right now, ICE has to prioritize who it goes after.
JEH JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: We're not interested in rounding up people who have been in this country for years, who have become integrated members of society and who commit minor offenses and then released couple of days later. We're interested in the worse of the worst and not releasing them to the streets.
BROWN: Commissioner Garcia doesn't buy it.
So we were with ICE during the ride along, they questioned, detained a couple undocumented immigrants who they then released because they didn't have criminal records.
GARCIA: I wish you could go on every ride that they take that's not what happens in many, many cases.
BYERS: We release on a daily basis, sometimes two to three times, what we actually arrest.
BROWN: The team made four arrests this day. The one they couldn't find, a convicted child molester who's already been deported once before.
BYERS: It's very disconcerting that we can't arrest that individual today. That's why we keep trying to get him every chance we get, we're going to try to get him, our job is never done.
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[21:55:00] COOPER: Convicted child molester already deported once. Pamela Brown joins us now. How does ICE know to pursue these undocumented convicts in the first place if they're not being notified about their release? BROWN: Well, Anderson, ICE finds out when an undocumented criminal is arrested because its database gets pinged. But the problem is here jurisdictions like Cook County the notification ends there. So ICE Agents have to track public records to try to figure out when an undocumented criminal is going to be released and sometimes they tell us that they don't find out until well after that person is out already on the streets and then they say it's a real challenge trying to find them.
I should note, though, Anderson, that there are some sanctuary cities across the U.S. that have started to at least notify ICE when an undocumented criminal is going to be released.
Tomorrow night in part two of our exclusive series, we actually speak to one of the men arrested by ICE and his federal holding till we sit down with the Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson about how so many of this undocumented criminals sneak right back into the U.S. after being deported and what he is doing to stop that, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Pamela that's tomorrow night. We'll have that on "360." Thanks so much. We'll look forward to that. We'll be right back.
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