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Obama's Legacy Fighting Terrorism, Killing Osama bin Laden; Family Wrangling over Prince's Estate Begins; The Man Behind Donald Trump's Tweets; Tense Encounter with Trump, Cruz Supporters; . Aired 2:30-3p ET

Aired May 2, 2016 - 14:30   ET

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[14:31:09] JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: We are awaiting President Obama to speak soon.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Very important announcement that's extraordinary.

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: 10:30 p.m. eastern on a Saturday night.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

BARACK OBAMA, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden.

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ACOSTA: The United States has the body of Osama bin Laden.

BLITZER: Bin Laden is dead.

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: That was incredible. Some of the breaking news, bulletins, images across the TV screens five years ago tonight. The world's most infamous terrorist, America's arch enemy, was dead, killed by U.S. Navy SEALs in Pakistan.

A special report tonight 8:00 eastern, and our national security analyst, Peter Bergen, with unprecedented access to the White House situation room and where that photo was taken as President Obama and advisers watched the raid unfold. The president also walked Bergen through other parts of the White House that were key that very evening.

At one point, he asked the president about the symbolism surrounding bin Laden's final moments. Here they were.

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PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: The last person that bin Laden saw on earth was an American. Is that --

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And hopefully, at that moment, he understood that the American people hadn't forgotten the some 3,000 people who he had killed.

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BALDWIN: Let's talk about that moment with CNN global affairs analyst, Kimberly Dozier; and our intelligence and security analyst, Bob Bear, former CIA operative.

Great to talk to you both.

Bob, I remember we were at the White House Correspondents' Dinner and I remember one point the president left the stage for a number of minutes and we were wondering why. You know? Come to find out why, what do you remember about that night five years ago?

BOB BAER, CNN INTELLIGENCE & SECURITY ANALYST: I was completely shocked. I mean, I was shocked that they found him in Pakistan. I expected that he would be in Afghanistan at least in the tribal areas of Pakistan. But the fact he was in a garrison town. I think it was an extraordinarily courageous decision on the part of the president to send in the 24 SEALs and a 10-year war on terror. We invaded Afghanistan to go after this man and we finally got him. It was the most important achievement of this presidency and foreign policy.

BALDWIN: You know, some of the details coming out with Peter Bergen talking about how bin Laden, dependent on two of the bodyguards, running out of money, apparently paranoid the home was bugged by his own family.

Kimberly Dozier, what more can you add to that?

KIMBERLY DOZIER, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: This was a man who was living in hiding for years and the longer you're in that situation if smaller your circle has to become to stay hidden. And there are affects from that. In the end, CIA analysts knew that he had to be communicating in some manner, shape or form through a person to the outside world. And that's what they went back and looked at and tracked down those people. That's how they eventually found him, those last links to that exile sort of at the edge of this town in Pakistan.

BALDWIN: Do we know, Bob, you know, how much the Pakistanis really knew about bin Laden's compound, that he was there for all those years?

BAER: Well, let me quote Bob Gates, secretary of defense. He said, "Somebody in Pakistan had to know." I've worked in Pakistan a lot. And you simply cannot hide in the military garrison like Abbottabad. And the question is who. It's never come out.

[14:35:09] BALDWIN: The issue, though, obviously a huge, huge victory. Five years later, al Qaeda is still, you know, unfortunately alive and well and perhaps more dangerous, this new sort of iteration of terror being ISIS, Kimberly Dozier. You know, successful strikes against the West. So terrorism still a massive, massive problem for this country despite bin Laden's death.

DOZIER: A problem and also what it spawned is competition.

BALDWIN: Yes.

DOZIER: Yes, the director of National Intelligence said this year ISIS surpassed al Qaeda as a leading threat to the United States but al Qaeda remains intent in its various different groups of attacking the U.S. Shabaab, which is based in Somalia and claims allegiance to al Qaeda, said that it tried to bring down an airliner that exploded but didn't explode up high enough in the air to take it down. You also have groups like al Qaeda across Africa that can stage bloody attacks against things like hotels where Westerners stay. But when you look back at what the U.S. counterterrorism efforts were trying to do, the idea was at least take away their ability to strike in the hearts of U.S. or European capitols. It looks like right now that's where they are. But, of course, you've got ISIS to contend with and we can't rule out some sort of collaboration between the two sometime in the future.

BALDWIN: Bob Baer and Kimberly Dozier, thank you so much.

Again, a reminder, please watch Peter Bergen's special report, "We Got Him," interview with President Obama on bin Laden and the future on the war on terror tonight 8:00 eastern only the CNN.

Coming up next, less than 17 hours until polls open in the state of Indiana. Ted Cruz there is waging an uphill battle, and this time, an influential voice that's really been in his corner, up until now, is conspicuously absent. Is conservative talk radio giving Cruz the silent treatment in Indiana?

Plus, wrangling over Prince's songs and money officially started today in the home state of Minnesota. His relatives filed into a courtroom to stake their claims. And the judge's first ruling is ahead.

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[14:41:53] BALDWIN: The work to settle Prince's massive and lucrative estate is under way. The process to sort out all of Prince's assets and who controls them is only just beginning. Prince, as far, as we know left no will. Music no one's even heard and assets reportedly worth $300 million.

Let's go to Stephanie Elam inside today's court hearing.

Stephanie, I understand a short proceeding. Tell me what happened and who was there?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. Very short, Brooke, 12 minutes long. I can tell you that Tyka Nelson, Prince's one full- blooded relative, she was there sitting on one side of the court with her two lawyers and then on the other side of the court there are a bevy of other lawyers there representing four of the other sib ling and we think representing five of them there. It was very, very quick hearing here today. The idea was to do two things. A, say they're still looking far will. Other one was to say at this point they have reached out to all the people that they think are heirs of Prince's estate and that they know that they could possibly join the petition and that's what today was about. Very quick, though -- Brooke?

BALDWIN: How about I understand the first meeting about the estate didn't go well and contentious, shouting. How was the mood inside the courtroom today?

ELAM: Yeah. It was all about business today. Everyone from the family, very quiet. They were just there to listen and be present. But again, it is noteworthy that Tyka Nelson was on one side of the court and then the others. No interaction.

BALDWIN: Thank you very much for us covering -- I cannot imagine that for these family members.

Thank you so much.

Next, back to politics here. Texas Senator Ted Cruz, he is set to speak in front of voter there in Ft. Wayne, Indiana. Live pictures. Bring it to you when it happens. This is the day before the big Indiana primary. Make-or-break state for him.

Also ahead, a rare inside look at the man who runs Donald Trump's social media. Who taped out all those tweets? Haven't you wondered that? Another way his campaign is like no other in history.

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[14:48:10] BALDWIN: Donald Trump is dominating the popular vote. His Twitter account might deserve some of the credit. Last check, Trump had 7.8 million followers. And, yes, impolite tweets, some of them. Trump has drawn praise for his use of social media but, at the end of the day, the billionaire only has two thumbs.

CNN's Chris Moody sat down with the man that Trump trusts with his password, Trump's social media manager, Dan Scavino.

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CHRIS MOODY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump's social media accounts break every rule in the book. Using twitter like a weapon, tearing down competitors, posting messages of supporters and sharing musings.

DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & CEO, TRUMP ORGANIZATION: 16 million or 17 million people, when you add it up, it's a big advantage over people that --

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, A.C. 360: Do you write your own tweets?

(CROSSTALK) TRUMP: I would say yes.

COOPER: You've retweeted yes?

TRUMP: I would say yes, other than releasing the information. I have some people, Dan and some other people, that will do it.

MOODY: Who's Dan? He's this guy, Daniel Scavino, Trump's social media director.

DANIEL SCAVINO, SOCIAL MEDIA DIRECTOR, DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN: Unbelievable. My name is Dan Scavino. I'm with the Trump campaign, a resident here in Duchess County! Whoo.

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MOODY: He got his start as a teenager when he was the mogul's golf caddie.

SCAVINO: I think I was 16 years old working in the bag room cleaning, working in the restaurant, an ordinary high school kid.

MOODY: Scavino sat down with CNN for an on-camera interview to talk about the loyalty of Trump.

(on camera): Is there anything to say or do to lead you to abandon him?

SCAVINO: No. No.

MOODY (voice-over): How he feels when Trump is attacked.

SCAVINO: It fires me up. It pisses me off.

MOODY: How the Trump campaign sees war of word this election cycle.

SCAVINO: Note in the campaign in the whole cycle, he never attacked anybody. He never --

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MOODY (on camera): What?

SCAVINO: Well --

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MOODY: Come on, Dan.

SCAVINO: He never attacked anybody in the sense of where he started. It was always the opposing campaign throwing punches at Donald Trump.

[14:50:08] MOODY (voice-over): And he gave CNN a behind-the-scenes look at Trump's social media operation, one of the most successful, polarizing, and controversial in campaign history. SCAVINO: Any messaging and anything put out on the Twitter account is

100 percent him. He doesn't run anything by me. You know? I get the alert a tweet went out, no matter what time of day or not.

MOODY (on camera): You know that's unheard of in a presidential campaign?

SCAVINO: It is. It's a different campaign. We are a different campaign.

In the evenings, after I would say 6:00 or 7:00 p.m., when he goes back up to his room or hotel, wherever we are, across the country, gets on the phone. He'll read and replies, tweets himself. Mostly -- only time anybody's ever tweeting for him is when he's in the office and his on the phone and wants something out or I'm with him. And he's dictating exactly what he wants on the campaign trail. So that is me but it's generally Mr. Trump.

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BALDWIN: Chris Moody there. Chris, thank you.

Coming up, Dana Bash sits down with an interview with candidate, Ted Cruz. We'll have that for you in just a couple of minutes, as we're watching and waiting for him in Ft. Wayne, Indiana.

Also, more from that tense face-to-face encounter between Senator Cruz and Donald Trump supporters in Indiana.

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SEN. TED CRUZ, (R), TEXAS & PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And I'm running to be everyone's president. Those who vote for me --

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't want you.

CRUZ: You're entitled to your view, sir. I respect it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's the man.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You asked Kasich to drop out. It is your turn. Take your own words.

CRUZ: I'm curious --

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lying Ted!

CRUZ: What do you like about Donald Trump?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything. CRUZ: Give me one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything.

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[14:56:03] BALDWIN: We'll get you back to politics in a moment. We wanted to share this story for you today. Brigham Young University, BYU, under fire for a policy critics say punishes rap victim. The centers around the school's honor code, which prohibiting wearing short skirts, no alcohol, no engaging in premarital sex, among other things. It's the same code several female students say was used to kick them out after they went to the school and the police for help.

CNN's Ana Cabrera tells their story.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Had taken photos and videos during the rape and he threatened me to expose those.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like touching me and stuff and tried to get up and leave.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have boundaries, you know, strict lines you are not crossing. And he didn't care about those.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just sitting there crying saying, I don't want to report. I can't do this. What if BYU finds out?

ANA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Their stories of rape and sexual assault, traumatic and horrifying.

(on camera): What does it take to change the way we address sexual assault?

CABRERA: But it's what happened after their school found out that's sparking outrage.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was really scary.

CABRERA: Brooke's nightmare began in February of 2014. She says she had taken hallucinogenic drugs just before being assaulted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Over the course of the next 45 minutes, in like different ways, he raped me.

CABRERA: She reported it to police but too afraid to face the alleged attacker in court, decided not to press charges. Three months later, she told her school, Brigham Young University.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought it would be a simple process to report him and have him be kicked out.

(on camera): Because he is a student?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, he was a student.

CABRERA (voice-over): But instead of getting support, Brooke was suspended. BYU, a private university run by the Mormon Church, determined Brooke had violated its honor code, a student code of conduct that prohibits the use of illegal drugs and alcohol, as well as premarital sex.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I waited about four days to report because I was scared of my standing at BYU.

CABRERA: Marty reported to police. It happened off campus. So she was shocked when she got a call from BYU's Title IX office, which investigates sexual harassment and violence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Essentially said on the phone call was we received a police report and in it, A, we think you may have been raped and, B, it looks like you probably violated the honor code, as well. I felt so betrayed because they read every single thing that happened to me. And they just kind of didn't care.

CABRERA: In fact, she says now she's facing backlash from BYU for not answering the questions. Her attorney told her not to until after the criminal trial this fall.

The school won't let her register for future classes until she cooperates with the honor code office.

CARRI JENKINS, SPOKESWOMAN, BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY: We never review for reporting sexual assault, being a victim of sexual assault.

CABRERA (on camera): How does that victim then end up being disciplined by the honor code office?

JENKINS: I wouldn't know and can't speculate on anyone's situation.

CABRERA (voice-over): While the school can't talk about specific cases, it did issue this additional statement saying, in part, "Sometimes in the course of an investigation facts come to light that a victim has engaged in prior honor code violations. In all honor code proceedings, the university strives for fairness, sensitivity and compassion. The university's overriding concern is always the safety and wellbeing of its students."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think their first and foremost priority is protecting the university. It's not protecting the students.

CABRERA (on camera): I see you shaking your head.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They've made that very clear.

CABRERA (voice-over): Since Barney went public, other victims felt empowered to share theirs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are not reporting someone else. You're reporting yourself going in. Like, that's at least my perception of the Title IX office. Like you are presumed to be guilty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As soon as they got the legal documents saying that my rapist is convicted, that's when they gave me accommodations and helped me withdraw from classes and they didn't offer any of that until they had court documentation.

CABRERA: Anger is growing.