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Brussels Terror Attacks Investigation; Radovan Karadzic Sentenced for War Crimes; Ted Cruz Defends Wife Heidi; Syrian Forces May Soon Retake Palmyra; President Obama Returns to US; Report on Radicalization in Molenbeek. Aired 3-4a ET

Aired March 25, 2016 - 03:00   ET

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[03:00:00] MAX FOSTER, CNN NEWSROOM SHOW HOST: Hello. And welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Max Foster in Brussels with CNN's special coverage of the terror attacks here.

We should know sometime soon what will happen to the six people that police arrested during raids that have been going on all night here. Authorities still go off some streets with hasn't enough teams.

They were also inside this home for hours. Authorities also think five men were involved in Tuesday's blast, including a second bomber at the metro station.

We spoke with a witness who may have seen him.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw some guy, 25, 24, 30, I don't know the age exactly age. He was with his bag, with a big bag, on -- he was very nervous. You saw sweat. He was very nervous. And he was back and forth in the metro hall. Back and forth.

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FOSTER: While meanwhile, a French police arrested a man on Thursday, suspected of being in advanced stages of an ISIS plot.

CNN reporters are covering multiple angles from various places around Brussels and beyond.

Nick Paton Walsh is looking to details of the investigation. And we'll hear from Phil Black about the heightened security of the metro. But right now, let's bring in senior international correspondent Atika Shubert.

Atika, the intelligence pointing to the conclusion that ISIS is getting ready for more attacks soon. What more can you tell us about that?

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think security officials here have been concerned for a while about multiple plots in the works. But the fact that we now have somebody who participated in the airport bombings still on the run is most concerning to officials here.

Of course we know that three people carried out the attacks at the airport. One of them in a white jacket and a black hat. However, still don't know where he is. People, I mean, security officials have put out an extensive manhunt for him.

And now police are saying there was also a second man involved in the metro station bombing here. Now we don't have a description of that man at this point. We don't know whose identity, but apparently he was caught on security video with a large bag.

Now what police are trying to determine is whether or not he actually left the station alive. He may have been killed in the explosion, as well. But it will take weeks to identify all the people that were killed in that attack.

Now, as we also know that overnight, there were a number of arrests here in Brussels. Three people were actually arrested in front of the Federal Prosecutor's Office, very unusual. Another two -- another two arrested here. And then, another in Yeti.

So, six people in total arrested overnight here. So, that seems to indicate that they are reaching more of a network. We'll find out a little bit more today whether or not these are people who will be held in police custody and what, who they are and what they might know and their connection is to the other suspects in these attacks, Max.

FOSTER: What about the arrests in Paris? Because police were very clear and prosecutors there, that they think they foiled a plot, which was very near to its conclusion.

SHUBERT: Yes. They said this was in the advanced stages. So, it looked like an attack was imminent in that case. What's really frightening about this however, is that according to French prosecutors, this is a man who was not connected to either the Paris terror network or the Brussels terror network.

And that's very concerning because this is exactly what intelligence officials have been warning that there could be ISIS cells, this sort of militant cells that are operating independently of each other plotting multiple attacks.

And these are the hardest kinds of attacks to stop. Because often they don't require direct orders from ISIS. If these are returnees from the conflict in Syria and Iraq that were fighting with groups like ISIS, they simply capitalize on what they've learned in training there and then launch their own attacks back home.

FOSTER: Atika, thank you. We will watch any new developments for you. Intelligence experts say that Belgium missed clear warning signs though, before these attacks. This is in the country's interior minister admits his legitimate concern.

CNN's international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh tried to get answers from him. NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A devastating

attack, but also one that had a devastating number of warnings. But the five said to be attackers, we know the identity of three and for each of those we know Belgian authorities were warned.

Najim Laachraoui, on the left here, skilled in bomb making and sought by Interpol by a red notice, a kind of noble arrest warrant since last year. Khlaid el Bakraoui, of the two brothers behind the attacks in Schaerbeek, also of a red notice for three months before the attacks.

[03:05:09] This one explicitly for terrorism, and in issued December. And his brother and perhaps the most staggering twist traveled to Turkey last June. He was deported by Turkish authorities for trying to join ISIS to Holland.

Dutch authorities saying they got an e-mail from Turkey 26 minutes before his flight took off but never mentioned Turkey's concerns. A mess so extraordinary, the Belgian interior minister reviewed the papers overnight and then offered his resignation.

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JAN JAMBON, BELGIUM PRIME MINISTER (TRANSLATED): The people ask how is it possible that someone was released early and we missed a chance when he was in Turkey to detain him. I understand that question; I cannot speak for a colleague but for myself. I offered my resignation to the prime minister.

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WALSH: It was not accepted but he also was not answering questions. So, there are a number of occasions with are very clear warnings about the links between all of these attackers and the potential for terrorists.

A remarkable decision by the interior minister who is not answering questions at all despite the growing evidence of some substantial information, being part to the Belgian government about link between all these attackers and terrorism.

The numbers of suspects still growing as are the ramifications at the heart of power.

Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Brussels.

FOSTER: Let's talk more Europe. Belgium is facing the ISIS threat and failing in many places. So, we just got over that over the last week or so. We have a journalist. Koen Vidal is a journalist with the De Morgen Newspaper. And you've got some information about another failure, haven't you?

KOEN VIDAL, DE MORGEN NEWSPAPER JOURNALIST: Well, overnight, there have been several arrests. The background of the people who have been arrested is not really clear. What is striking is that the police in a smaller Belgian town, Mechelen, Malines had information about some of the terrorists. And that information wasn't transferred. FOSTER: What sort of information?

VIDAL: Well, the information about the background, about -- it's not very clear yet. But it's...

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FOSTER: Something that might have linked them to terrorism?

VIDAL: Yes, definitely.

FOSTER: That there would be another crime and the Belgian authorities kept saying, well, we didn't think they were linked to terrorism.

VIDAL: Yes. They should have been in the information circulation but the information wasn't transferred. And that I think a disease of our intelligence services where we're not -- we have not waken up to a new reality, which was much more harder and more threatening than we ever knew. And it seems like our intelligence services have to wake up to get to a new situation...

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FOSTER: Well, that's a bureaucracy and all the red tape seems to be in complete stumbling block here. So, the same how this Turkish warning as well, didn't it? It somehow got lost in the system.

VIDAL: Yes. Yes. That's true. And I think Belgium and I think also other countries have to wake up to this new reality. This is not a lone wolf. This is not a loser from Molenbeek. This is -- you should see it as a military attack, which it is. This is a military strategy of Islamic state. They're attacking Europe and also other countries, as part of the military strategy.

FOSTER: It was Islamic state in the states. There are increasing numbers of analysts, just saying this threat should be treated as a state-sponsored form of terrorism. If we did that then maybe the systems would be (Inaudible).

VIDAL: Yes. Of course. I mean, it should be define as like that. It's a military threat because they are losing ground in Iraq and Syria. And there's a lot of indications that it's an organized military strategy.

I mean, they're hitting us at our weakest spot. And where it does a lot of harm. And it creates a lot of pain. And also it can create a lot of pain within our society. And that's the main purpose.

FOSTER: Should the Department of the Defense, the military, take a bigger role on this, if the intelligence services and the police services are caught up in this bureaucratic mess?

VIDAL: I think we should very fast now. I think a military response, that's not clear how it should be done. I think intelligence is now the priority. And also, community building. That's also really important because they're trying to tear up apart our society. And community building is also a priority, we shouldn't forget about that.

FOSTER: It's interesting, a special reporter who spent some time in one of the prisons here, as well saying that a lot of people are being radicalized in the prisons. But actually that's really hard to stop and try to keep people who are involved in terrorism away from other people that could be radicalized. It's creating a real nightmare.

VIDAL: Yes. Well, maybe, it's hard to stop but it should be stop.

FOSTER: Yes.

[03:10:00] VIDAL: I mean, it should be our priority now. We should -- we should finance the solutions. I mean, there's no other way. I mean, you can't accept that in our main prisons, guys are radicalizing and ending up at the Brussels airport or in the metro station killing more than 30 people. We can't accept this.

FOSTER: There needs to be a wake-up call.

VIDAL: Yes. Of course, yes.

FOSTER: Koen, thank you very much.

VIDAL: Thank you.

FOSTER: Emotions are still very raw here in Brussels as people struggle with these attacks. Although authorities low at the threat level or not, the tension is high throughout the city.

Phil Black went to the central metro station to see how people are feeling about all this increased security.

PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There are so many soldiers on the streets of central Brussels; this now looks like an occupied city.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is a little bit kind of war, a feeling of war.

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BLACK: An intimidating presence, but also comforting to people who are now sharply aware of the vulnerability that comes with living in an open European city.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, safe.

BLACK: It makes you safe?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It makes me safe here. Yes, yes. And a lot safer.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BLACK: It can now take a long time to get inside Brussels central

station. The crowd shuffles slowly. Everybody is watched closely as they enter. Soldiers patrol in small packs. Most are here to catch commuter trains out of Brussels, but the inner city metro is now partially open operating a very limited service.

The passengers who endure even greater scrutiny. Everyone is personally searched before getting to these platforms. There are so many soldiers and police officers at the stations, the security is pretty extraordinary and so is the atmosphere underground.

A mix of necessity and determination means these people are still riding trains across and under Brussels. Do you think people are behaving differently?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A little bit.

FOSTER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are anxious.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We all know that we're not safe anywhere. It can happen anywhere at any moment.

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BLACK: Catching a train is now an act of courage and defiance because of what happened here. Maalbeek metro station was where the most people died in Tuesday's attacks. With the surrounding streets now open, people are coming here to grieve. Liza de Tuilda (ph) came to sing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just to show that, yes, that we never will stop singing and never will stop -- yes, doing what we do.

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BLACK: there is great sorrow, but some here are making a real effort to promote other emotions, too. You see it on the road near Maalbeek station, where countless hearts are being scratched into the ground with messages of love and peace. Some in the city are determined to respond to terror with hope.

Phil Black, CNN, Brussels.

FOSTER: Well, we'll get back to the terror attacks in Brussels in just a few minutes. Right now, we want to find out what is going on around the world. Natalie Allen joins us now from CNN center. Hi, Natalie.

NATALIE ALLEN, CNN NEWSROOM SHOW HOST: It took two decades but the man dubbed the butcher of Bosnia, finally hears his fate from an international criminal court. Also, in the race for the White House, an angry and emotional Ted Cruz

ripping into Donald Trump for his attacks on Cruz's wife. We'll have the latest from the campaign trail.

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KATE RILEY, CNN WORLD SPORT ANCHOR: I'm Kate Riley with your CNN World Sport headlines.

It's been a truly sad day for football after long battle with cancer, legendary Dutch forward, Johan Cruyff died peacefully Thursday in Barcelona, surrounded by his family. He was 68. As a player, he won three consecutive European Cups with Ajax and eight Dutch League titles.

He then moved to Barcelona where he led a mid-table team to their first La Liga title in more than a decade. The Dutch Internationals regarded as one of the greatest players of all time, he was also made famous for inventing the so-called Cruyff turn, one of the most iconic moves in football.

Just a huge outpouring of grief the world over. And as you can imagine tributes simply have not stopped coming in for the beloved Cruyff. From Barcelona Football Club itself, "we'll always love you, Johan, rest in peace." Barca legend and World Player of the Year, Lionell Messi took to Facebook to say, another legend has left us today.

News now of more doping allegations in world athletics, the world anti-doping association announced Thursday it would investigate what it's calling serious allegations that Chinese swimming has covered up a positive drug test ahead of next month's Olympic trials.

According to The Times newspaper in London, a whistle-blower has claimed that five positive tests were suppressed dating back to October last year.

And that's a look at all of your sports headlines. I'm Kate Riley.

ALLEN: And welcome back. I'm live in Atlanta. Natalie Allen. Thank you for staying with us.

The U.S. race for the White House is heating up even more, as the primary and caucus season inches past the halfway point.

The latest CNN polls, which crunches the results of six national polls shows democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton leading Bernie Sanders 52 percent to 43 percent.

On the republican side, Donald Trump remains on top at 43 percent. He hold a 12-point lead over Ted Cruz. John Kasich trails in third place.

In Arizona, the Mayor of Phoenix wants a federal investigation into the long waits voters endured in the state's primary on Tuesday. Some people stood in line for five hours before casting their ballots. The Department of Justice has not yet publicly answered the mayor's request. Democrat Bernie Sanders lost to Hillary Clinton in Arizona. He called

the situation a disgrace. Republican officials slashed the number of polling stations in Maricopa County from 2012 to save money.

Well, a nasty fight has boiled over in the republican side of the race. It began early this week when an anti-Trump super PAC posted a nude photo of Trump's wife, Melania, from a GQ story in 2000.

Trump countered first by threatening to spill the beans, as he put it, on Heidi Cruz. He then re-tweeted a supporter meme showing a less than flattering photo of her next to a photo of Melania. An angry Cruz fired back Thursday.

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TED CRUZ, (R) U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Real men don't try to bully women. That's not an action of strength. That's an action of weakness. It's an action of fear. It's an action of a small and petty man, who is intimidated by strong women.

Real men don't do that. I don't get angry often. But you mess with my wife; you mess with my kids, that will do it every time. Donald, you're a sniveling coward. Leave Heidi the hell alone.

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ALLEN: To that, Trump tweeted that he didn't start the fight, Cruz did. Calling him once again, lying Ted.

CNN's Gary Tuchman went to a Ted Cruz rally in Wisconsin to ask some of his supporters what they think about this latest feud.

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: To escape in a springtime snow shower in Jamesville, Wisconsin. Hundreds of people walk indoors and line up looking forward to not only seeing Ted Cruz in person, but also his wife, Heidi, who has gotten recent attention she hasn't sought.

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[03:20:10] Have you read what Donald Trump has tweeted about Ted Cruz's wife?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

TUCHMAN: How do you feel about it? Who is angry, as a woman, who's about this? What do you say?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I think every woman is angry about that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is a distraction. And not only that, when it comes to the general election, if he is the candidate, Hillary is going to beat up on him. Because of the way he comes against women.

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TUCHMAN: Ted Cruz made referenced to the tweets.

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CRUZ: Heidi has been in the news the past couple of days. And let me just say although the views of some, may differ, I think Heidi Cruz is the most beautiful, extraordinary, generous, loving, amazing, fantastic woman on the face of the planet.

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TUCHMAN: Wisconsin resident, Lexie Gianitsos is not amused about Heidi Cruz being in the news. She is leaning towards Ted Cruz. Still mulling over John Kasich but not considering the man who tweeted over Ted Cruz's wife.

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LEXIE GIANITSOS, REPUBLICAN VOTER: I think that's something you don't do in a sixth grade presidential campaign. They don't let you put that stuff on the walls. And this is a national stage.

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TUCHMAN: Whether you're against Donald Trump or for Donald Trump, there's little surprise when these days when he goes on one of his Twitter tirades. While the Cruz supporters here don't very much like Trump calling their candidate lying Ted, they say that outrage doesn't compare to this outrage.

Ann and Joshua Marie brought their children so they could all see Ted and Heidi Cruz in person. Their support for Ted Cruz only solidified by Donald trump's tweets.

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JOSHUA MARIE, REPUBLICAN VOTER: I think him attacking women it as gone to a major low for him. And I understand Donald can say a lot of things and not get in trouble for it. But I think going after women and going after Ted Cruz's wife is totally, you know, unacceptable.

TUCHMAN: So, a couple of days ago you were considering Donald Trump?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

TUCHMAN: And you're not anymore?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think so.

TUCHMAN: And are these tweets affect him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the tweets play a part in this, yes.

TUCHMAN: Because?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because I just don't think it's appropriate to be attacking each other's wives.

TUCHMAN: They were quite a few understand in voters we talk to here. The tweets, at least in this rally did not bode well for Trump getting any of those votes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His views on women, he doesn't treat women the way that -- I mean, as humans. So, objectifying us and objectifying Ted Cruz's wife was really immature.

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TUCHMAN: Heidi Cruz, part of the conversation of this unusual campaign.

Gary Tuchman, CNN, Jamesville, Wisconsin.

ALLEN: We turn overseas now. ISIS appears to be on the defense on two major fronts. The Iraqi army says it has forced the terror group out of several villages south of Mosul. This appears to be the start of an operation to retake Iraq's second biggest city, which has been under ISIS patrol for two years.

And in Syria, regime forces may soon regain control of the ancient City of Palmyra. It's been 10 months since ISIS fighters overran the city and began to destroy its historic buildings and cultural treasuries -- treasures, excuse me.

State television showed Syrian soldiers reportedly entering the southwestern part of the city. In response, the terror group released its own video, claiming to show ISIS militants still in control in Palmyra.

Well, the man known as the butcher of Bosnia will likely spend the rest of his life in prison. A special United Nations court in THE HAGUE found former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic guilty of genocide and other crimes of humanity.

The court sentenced him to 40 years. The charges stem from atrocities committed during the Bosnian War in the early 1990s, most notably the Srebrenica massacre. Nearly 7,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys were executed by forces under Karadzic's command.

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FADILA EFENDIC, SON & HUSBAND KILLED IN SREBRENICA (TRANSLATED): The justice hasn't won. We should have had this trial finished before. We waited for it for too long. And many mothers are not alive to hear this verdict. Although, it's not what we have expected.

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ALLEN: U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon hailed the verdicts as a historic result for the people of the former Yugoslavia.

U.S. President Barack Obama is returning to Washington after ending his six-day Latin American tour in Argentina. His stop in Buenos Aires, came on the anniversary of government sponsored killing there at the hands of the military junta supported by the U.S. back in the '70s and '80s.

Mr. Obama visited a memorial park for the victims. Obama, though, later conceded that the U.S. was slow to condemn for the atrocity known then as the dirty war.

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[03:25:09] BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA PRESIDENT: The United States, when it reflects on what happened here, has to examine its own policies, as well. And its own past. Democracies have to have the courage to acknowledge, when we don't live up to the ideals that we stand for when we've been slow to speak out for human rights. And that was the case here.

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ALLEN: Before leaving, Mr. Obama pledged to declassify additional military documents related to the infamous dirty war.

Garry Shandling is being remembered as one of his generation's most influential comedian. Police confirmed the American actor comedian's death Thursday in Los Angeles. The cause was not given. Shandling is best known for his groundbreaking TV comedies "Larry Sanders Show" and "It's Gary Shandling's Show," which parity, talk shows, and situation comedies. Shandling was 66.

We're back live in Brussels, just ahead as authorities work to track down terrorists. Belgium is facing scrutiny for how it dealt with one of the attackers just last year.

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FOSTER: Welcome back to CNN's special coverage of the terror attacks here in Brussels. I'm Max Foster.

And here's where we stand with the investigation so far. Police have been conducting anti-terror raids all night across the city. They were inside this home for hours, for example.

[03:30:04] We still don't yet know what if anything they found there. But authorities have arrested six people so far. There's an urgent manhunt for two suspects. Investigators now believe five men were involved in the bombings, including a second person at the metro station.

They don't know if he's dead or on the run, though. And the Belgian interior minister offered to resign over missed chance to detain one of the attackers. But the prime minister is set to stay in the job. The Belgian government is under pressure that it claims it ignored the extortion of suicide bomber Ibrahim el Bakraoui from Turkey last year.

He'd been sentence to -- sentenced in Belgium to nine years in prison in 2010 for opening fire on police officers.

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JAMBON: Given the facts, I think it is justified that people ask questions. The people ask, how is it possible that someone was released early. And we missed a chance when he was in Turkey to detain him.

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FOSTER: Well, Turkey departed Laachroui to the Netherlands where he was let go. The European leaders on Thursday pledge to fight terrorists by speeding up intelligence sharing.

Ministers also want Europe parliament quickly to ratify a measure to track the movement of air travelers. The connections between the attacks in Paris and now Brussels are complex and are far-reaching.

Our Tim Lister has been following the threats for us and sorting out the European web a terror.

TIM LISTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We now know how some of this web of terror fits together. Salah Abdeslam at the center of November's attack in Paris was captured last week in Brussels. Most of his co- conspirators in Paris, including his brother Ibrahim blew themselves out in the attacks at the Bataclan and Stade de France.

Abdelhamid Abaaoud was later killed in a raid by French police. He had ties to suspects in a shooting at a Belgian Jewish museum and a thwarted attack on a French train. Abaaoud was also believed to be in contact with this man, Najim Laachroui, a leader of this week's Brussels bombings.

Laachraou and his brother attacker in Belgium, including brothers Ibrahim and Khalid el Bakraoui, are either dead or unaccounted for. These two, Mohamed Abrini and the mysterious man in the black hat spotted by airport security cameras, cue say remain on the run and are considered among the most wanted men in Europe.

Tim Lister, CNN, London.

FOSTER: Well, I'm joined by Dave Sinardet, a political science professor from Vrije University of Brussels. Thanks for joining us. What did you made of the resignations last night the fact that they weren't taken?

DAVE SINARDET, VRIJE UNIVERSITY OF BRUSSELS PROFESSOR: Well, in Belgium we have this tradition that's when services make errors the ministers and the political responsible for the services, resign. So, in this case, that's normally should have been the case.

But of course, this is a difficult time. There is still terror threat. So, it's probably not the best idea to go and switch two of the most important ministers concerned with this threat at this time.

So, that's one of the reasons they stay. But, well, today, they have to make explanations before parliamentary condition. So, I'm not sure that their position is safe yet. I mean, certainly because other elements might still come to the surface also in the next weeks.

FOSTER: A great deal of soul-searching in Belgium this week. Because mistakes were made. Bits of information didn't get through to the parts of the system that they should have gotten through to. How will that be, you know, debated today, in parliament? How are they going to come to terms to that and move on from that and also learn from it?

SINARDET: That's a good question. I'm afraid that there are still more elements might come to the surface. I mean, this morning in the Belgium papers there are a few other elements that came to light. So, they will have to be researched, too. And clearly I think this will probably lead to serious questioning of the functioning of some of our security and certainly intelligence services also.

FOSTER: It just seems though, they're not coordinating properly. Is that how you read it, as well?

SINARDET: For the moment, yes. But again, we have to see more details maybe in the next days, in the next weeks, of what exactly went wrong. But clearly there seems to be a problem indeed with information- sharing, between different services at different levels. That's what seems to be the case.

FOSTER: And between nations, as well. There's a row going on, effectively, hasn't there? Between Belgium and France.

SINARDET: Yes.

FOSTER: Blame game saying, you know, you should have given us that information, you shouldn't have released that information. And that's just really disruptive.

SINARDET: Yes, it is. We already saw that after the Paris attacks in November when France also very, very clearly pointed the finger at Belgium. And then within Belgium, there are also politicians pointing the finger at each other and saying, oh, it's the local level, it's this level, that level of this party, that party.

[03:35:02] I don't think we really need it at this moment. And on the European level, I think we need a more integrated European intelligence service. I mean, we have Europol but it has very limited powers. I think the solution this is also something that's been repeated every time after there is -- that our attacks or there's a basic crisis.

I think we really need to go towards some kind of European FBI. Or at least more information sharing between national intelligence services in Europe, which for the moment are still too much stuck in national dynamics hanging on to crucial information.

FOSTER: They don't want to share this information, do they?

SINARDET: No.

FOSTER: Thank you very much indeed, Dave. As we mentioned, Turkey detained, flagged and deported Ibrahim el Bakraoui. Authorities say they captured him last year near the Syrian border. Turkish president says they warned Belgium that he was a foreign terrorist fighter.

CNN international correspondent Arwa Damon is live for us in Gozzi, the area from which Bakraoui was deported. It's just extraordinary that this information didn't get through. But what do we know about his movements there?

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is what the Turks are saying. That he came to the contrary. First, going to a resort town perhaps attempting to try to pose as a tourist before eventually making his way here to Gozzi. This city is located very close to the border with Syria as we're mentioning there.

And it's also one of the main transit hubs for people trying to cross into the war zone, especially for those who want to potentially join ISIS as foreign fighters. And it was something in el Bakraoui's actions that caught the suspicion, raised the suspicions of the Turkish security forces, and especially of those who worked in the counterterrorism department.

They surveiled him for a few days, picked him up and then decided to deport him. The Turks say that they notified the Netherlands because that is where he was going to be deported to as well as Belgian authorities.

Now, the Netherlands, the Dutch are basically saying, yes, were aware of the fact that he was being deported. A few hours before he boarded his plane, but they claim that they were not given any reason why. The Belgians at this stage seemingly trying to allude to perhaps the idea that Turkey perhaps should have been more forceful in communicating why they were deporting this individual.

Turkey for its part, though, is very adamant that they were clear, this man was being deported because they suspected that he had come to Turkey, that he had to Gozzi and to go and join ISIS as a foreign fighter.

And I think key in all of this, Max, is what lessons can be learned. Because clearly there was a massive intelligence failure. And it's worth noting that this is not the first time that the Turkish authorities have alerted European, too, an individual who has been going on to carry out very violent attacks in Europe.

To include, one of the Paris attackers. And Turkey, at this stage is really trying to come out and say, look, we need to share more intelligence. We're in this together. All of us are fighting terrorists and fighting these various different terrorist organizations that exist. But the other message to Europe is, look, you've got to start taking our intelligence a lot more seriously. Max?

FOSTER: Yes. A lesson learned certainly. Arwa, thank you very much, indeed.

Coming up, we'll take you inside Molenbeek. That's the suburb in Brussels called a hotbed of radicalism. You'll hear why residents in that community say they feel marginalized. They feel disconnected mostly rejected from Belgian society. [03:40:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

FOSTER: Well, authorities here in Brussels are conducting an intense manhunt for two terror suspects. They now believe there were five men involved in Tuesday's bombings including a second suspect at the metro station.

They don't know if he's dead or on the run though. Police have been conducting anti-terror raids overnight, even sealing off streets with teams in hazmat gear. So far they have arrested six police.

Some experts say Belgium is a fertile ground for terror recruitment. For small country, Belgium has per capita more young men traveling to join ISIS than any other European country. Experts believe nearly 500 Belgian men and women have traveled to Iraq and Syria since 2012.

Officials say at least 150 of them have returned to Belgium. And nowhere in Belgium is the problem of radicalization more acute than in Molenbeek. The Brussels suburb is home to a large Muslim population of North African immigrants and suffers from a youth unemployment rate making it right for ISIS recruitment.

Clarissa Ward takes us there.

CLARISSA WARD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is the neighborhood that everybody in the world is now talking about. Molenbeek, home to nearly 100,000 people it has been described as one of the most dangerous hotbeds of radicalization.

On the streets here, though, it actually feel like a normal working- class neighborhood with a large immigrant population. But the problems here are beneath the surface, largely. The lack of integration here is striking. On the streets you will hear Arabic much more than you will French.

And when you talk to people you will often hear say they don't feel fully Belgium. They feel like second class citizen. Molenbeek imam Asad Majeed (ph) said that younger second and third generation's immigrants feel particularly marginalized.

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ASAD MAJEED, MOLENBEEK RESIDENT: There is a big community in Muslim who are feeling now that they are not a Belgian citizen. The reason of that is first of all, the unemployment of all in Belgium. Because they don't feel that they are accepted in this society. So, this is why they feel that they are not Belgian.

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WARD: Most people don't want to appear on camera because they're very concerned that there's a negative image being portrayed of the residents here in the media. Privately, though, many of them will concede that there is a big problem with radicalization in this community. But there just isn't any trust or communication between the local community and between the police. And that is a huge problem for Belgian authorities.

FOSTER: Our Erin Burnett talk to a young man who grew up and lives in Molenbeek. Erin asked him about the lack of trust between police and residents in that community. And why some there might not tell police when young people are being lured into the ISIS ranks.

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MOHAMED, MOLENBEEK RESIDENT: I know one dead, he called the bodies and he said, my son go to Syria. He adds 16 years old.

[03:45:07] ERIN BURNETT, OURFRONT SHOW HOST: He tried to turn his son?

MOHAMED: Yes. The police say, yes. What do you want?

BURNETT: So, the police don't do anything.

MOHAMED: They say they don't know. No. Anything.

BURNETT: How many friend do you know or people do you know who have gone to Syria?

MOHAMED: maybe 10, between 10 and 15.

BURNETT: Ten and fifteen?

MOHAMED: Yes.

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FOSTER: Well, Khadija Zamouri, she's a Belgian member of parliament. She's also a Muslim living in Molenbeek. She knows what it's like there and she's been -- you know, you've seen the change for the last few days, as well. I know that you've had some really awful news, as well. Take us through that.

KHADIJA ZAMOURI, BELGIAN PARLIAMENT MEMBER: Yes. Absolutely. Yesterday evening, we had the news of an armed where -- which we have children in the school of my kids, that she's dead. I mean, the family was looking for her like for two days, going off to hospitals everywhere, military hospital. They couldn't find her.

And yesterday, they have this sad news. Esther (ph) was one of the victims which was in the metro carriage, which was hit the most. I mean, she left three children. She's a Muslim mother. And voila! I don't see her picture anywhere in the news. I mean, I only see pictures of foreign people which I also regret very, very much. It's hard for them as for us.

But I don't -- I don't like the way the story's going. It's a story of 'we and she.' And look, this is not a 'we and she.' She's a Muslim mother of three children. I'm a Muslim woman, living and born here in Belgium a long time ago, having children going to school here.

It's again, a way of separating people instead of inclusion. We should fight terrorism together and not separately. I mean, those terrorists, those criminals, they bombed people out. They didn't care if they were Muslim or not.

FOSTER: So, there were not discrimination.

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ZAMOURI: We're not, no. They just went there and they did it. And those criminals, those terrorists they never stepped foot in a mosque. I mean, those were criminals beforehand. They come out of jail. They committed crimes before. And they use -- they use religion to justify their acts. And I don't want to be part of that.

FOSTER: All you're saying is this narrative which we keep hearing of people blaming Muslims for terror attacks.

ZAMOURI: Well, it's wrong. It's wrong. I mean, I'm not saying that there no extremists in Muslims. But there are millions of Muslims. What about those other millions? I mean, of course, but in other -- this was happening here is important because and it hits us in the heart of the European Union. This is Brussels. That's why it's important.

But it's going on in Turkey, in Ivory Coast, a few weeks ago. Everywhere. You have -- you have those terrorists easy.

FOSTER: How are we going to fight that narrative, though, to stop people blaming a group, an entire religion, for what a few criminals are responsible for?

ZAMOURI: Well, I don't know. Just look to people as a human being. I mean, when Breivik shot all those white, young men...

FOSTER: In Norway.

ZAMOURI: ... in Norway. I mean, I didn't even think with one hair on my head that now all the Christians have to apologize for what he did. I mean, that's not it. That's a lunatic, a crazy. Somebody who has to be prosecuted and dealt with. That's all. Try to see people as people, please.

I mean, even my daughter of 11-years-old, came to me and said, mom, I don't understand. God gives life and God who takes life, no? Who do they think they are? I mean, an 11-year-old understand.

FOSTER: What did you say?

ZAMOURI: I said you're right. I mean, what can I say? It's true. A human being has no right to take a life in name of what the level. And that's what hurts me. It's like I'm a member of parliament. I try through education, culture, try to bring people together. That's my line of job.

I was born here. I knew when I was 10 that I was going to be teacher. I became a teacher. But now I do that really as professional in parliament. I try to find inclusion and look for each other instead of separating each other.

FOSTER: Well, good luck with your work. I'm sorry to hear your news and all of that opening with that one. Thank you, of course.

ZAMOURI: Thank you. Thank you.

FOSTER: We actually have a report on the woman that we've been hearing about just there. And we'll have that coming up for viewers.

Now the -- we'll have much more, actually, in just a moment.

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ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: You're watching CNN ski watch. I'm meteorologist Allison Chinchar.

Well, we're getting a little bit of a break from the next round of showers and snow with that, pulling into portions of the Pacific Northwest. But just in time for the weekend, we're going to get our next big system coming back in.

Forecast notes again, at least initially don't seem all that impressive over the next 36 hours. Maybe an additional three inches around Mt. Baker. one inch up around Crystal Mountain. But again, once we get into Sunday, especially Monday, some of those numbers will start to increase once that next system finally begins to push back in.

Forecast conditions, again high temperature around 6 in Whistler, will be about 8, but the sun peaks up in Canada. Again, as we punch into Saturday. But going forward, those temperatures are expected to drop when next system comes in. And making the conditions say a little more favorable for skiing.

Here's a look at some of the snow depths right now at some of the current resorts. Heavenly Mountain, right now we're looking at a base step of around 102. Squaw Valley, right up around 150 or higher. And then Snow Summit Mountain resort in California we're looking at a base depth at about 22.

Now the ones in California may not likely pick up that much more with this next system. It's expected to stay Oregon, Washington and up towards Canada. But we could still see some of those temperatures beginning to drop, so still be able to get out. You don't have too many more weekends to enjoy the beautiful ski conditions.

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FOSTER: Well, the sad truth in Brussels is that it could be many weeks before many of those killed in the bombings of the city's airport and subway are identified. And the families involved get some way of dealing with it, at least.

The life stories of the missing are emerging. And we heard about one of them just before the break. CNN's international correspondent Atika Shubert has that story of the beloved mother and teacher presumed lost in the attacks, now identified.

SHUBERT: On Tuesday morning in Brussels, students at La Vertue Islamic School were waiting for class with their gym teacher.

Loubna Lafquiri, also a wife and mother to three young children.

"She is supposed to start at 9.45," the school's co-founder told us, "but she didn't show up. We started to worry. We thought she was sick. We called and called. But there was no answer on her phone."

A powerful bomb had ripped through Lafquiri's morning commute. Her family has checked every hospital, she remains missing. It may take at least three weeks to identify those killed.

"She was an exceptional woman. She respected the true values of Islam, with generosity and caring."

[03:55:03] He then corrects himself, as he says, "she was a woman -- I'm sorry. She is a woman, an energetic woman who smiled all the time."

The chairs in her homeroom class are still empty. Many of the students haven't come back to school yet. But on the door of her classroom, you can still see her name listed, Loubna Lafquiri.

Before students return, a counselor meets with teachers to discuss how to break the news to the children.

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SHUBERT: What's your favorite memory of Loubna?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her smile.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her smile, yes. Always jumping.

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SHUBERT: At the gym, children play under gold calligraphy, that spells out the word for "Allah" and the Prophet Muhammad. No one here can fathom how the attackers could possibly justify bloodshed in the name of their religion.

"It's simple," he says. "Whoever supports these people, who harms so many other, who paralyzes the lives of those around them with fear is not a human being. We must not support these people, we much report them."

The terrorist attacks on Brussels may have robbed this school of a beloved teacher. But it cannot shake their faith.

Atika Shubert, CNN, Brussels. FOSTER: I'm Max Foster in Brussels. Early Start is up next with you in the United States for everyone else. I'll be back in a moment for the latest of a terror investigation here in Brussels. You're watching CNN.

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