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New Developments in Deadly Shooting in Colorado Springs, Colorado; Republican Presidential Candidate Ben Carson Says United States Need to Do More to Help Solve Syrian Refugee Crisis; France Says It's Stopped Nearly 1,000 People From Entering Country Since Terror Attacks. Aired 1-2p ET

Aired November 28, 2015 - 13:00   ET

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WHITFIELD: All right, we have so much more straight ahead in the Newsroom, and it all starts right now.

All right, hello again everyone, thanks so much for joining me, I'm Fredricka Whitfield. New development in that deadly shooting in Colorado Springs, Colorado, where a gunman killed three people and wounded nine others at a local Planned Parenthood Clinic. Police say 57-year-old Robert Lewis Dear first opened fire in the parking lot wearing a trench coat and carrying an assault rifle, he caused a neighboring shopping center and hospital to go on lock down for nearly six hours.

He surrendered to police and is now in custody, but not before barricading himself inside an office. Listen to some of this gripping police scanner dispatch as officers attempt to extract the gunman without injuring any hostages.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are three people hiding in the bathroom. They seems to hear the suspect, they hear somebody is knocking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So everybody in a safer room?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are in contact with other party (ph), one of the three hiding.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're going to hide in the back closet until this is over.

(OFF-MIC)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have people hunkered down in the northwest corner of the building.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We confirm we have people still inside ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm trying to find the victim at the back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many doors are we going check here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's at least one, maybe two.

(OFF-MIC)

(END AUDIO CLIP)

WHITFIELD: All right, joining me right now, CNN's Dan Simon, who is live for us in Colorado Springs. So Dan, how did the clinic's patients and staffers stay safe like that during this very horrifying ordeal?

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well hello Fredricka, we're continuing to hear some of the incredibly chilling firsthand accounts of people who are inside the building, people who actually saw the gunman, heard the gunshots and then darted into some of the offices and back rooms and then ultimately waited for SWAT team officers to rescue them.

One such person was Kentanya Craion, she was 22-years-old. I just spoke to her just a short time ago. She was at the Planned Parenthood clinic to get an ultrasound. She was there with her boyfriend. They had the ultrasound and she was preparing to leave and then she heard the gunshot and saw the gunman outside. And then she run into one of those back rooms and hid for several hours. This is how she described the situation.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you immediately recognize those as gunshots?

KENTANYA CRAION, PLANNED PARENTHOOD MEDICAL SHOOTING SURVIVOR: No. I didn't -- it took someone to tell me to get down, you know, that there's a gunshot, even with then I couldn't register because it felt so surreal. You could clearly tell it was in the building. It was near. It was close.

One of the ladies beside me starts screaming and had to tell her to remain calm. Because, like I said the gunshots were there, it's clear as day. We actually had a gun bullet go through a wall, it came through one went through the other, and you can see the gunpowder and smell, smell it. And it was just frightening at that point, we all just wanted to get out. (END VIDEO CLIP)

SIMON: And Kentanya has been reliving the trauma ever since. And Fredricka, adding to all the grief is she still hasn't heard from her boyfriend. Somehow they got separated during this ordeal, she has called police but they haven't been particularly helpful she says, and at this point they are not releasing the names of the two people who were killed. They have released of course the name of the police officer, but those two civilians who also lost their lives. Those names have yet to be released. Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right, still all very unsettling for so many there. Thank you so much, Dan Simon. Still to talk more about this, with CNN Law Enforcement Analyst Jonathan Gilliam and Art Roderick. So Art you first, you've actually done some security assessments in the past at other Planned Parenthood locations after they received treats. So, do you think the staff is in general somewhat trained for these kind of scenarios, is there, you know, some -- there are drills if they go through to know what to do, how to help save lives?

ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I mean the mere fact that they had a safe room with that facility just goes to show you that they did have some preplanning involved. I mean since 1994 when President Clinton signed the FACE Act, which is Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act there have been several assessments done at all these Planned Parenthood facilities around the country and usually the U.S. marshals would go out and handle these assessments and make recommendations to the clinics.

[13:05:04] And then if anything did happen at these particular clinics, the FBI would come in and actually do the investigation. The FACE Act also goes towards arson, bombings, threats to employees of these clinic, so it encompasses the whole aspect of not only protest but criminal activity.

WHITFIELD: So then Jonathan, a situation like this, law enforcement would know, you know, that there is a safe room and that might impact the way in which they enter this building. Is that the case? I mean how they would know how to delicately extract these hostages and at the same time pursue this gunman and then knowing that there may be this safe space?

JONATHAN GILLIAM, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well Fred, the possibility is that the law enforcement officers knew, but I have done threat assessments all over this country for the Department Homeland Security, as a part of an assault team that went all over the country making suggestions, and it's really up to the company to take those suggestions because it's a private entity, and then communicate that to law enforcement. But, the other breakdown I see a lot of times is, Planned Parenthood, there's no secret that there's people that absolutely hate Planned Parenthood so it is a target.

So that the law enforcement should be reaching out doing walkthroughs and knowing that particular property. And let me just give you one other thing for everybody I hear Fred. You had a guy on a minute ago, or earlier that was talking about how he was sitting in the car, the guy was shooting at him and he backed up. People on this country have to start realizing its 17 degrees outside there last night. They sheltered in place, that was good because if they left, they could literally freeze to death.

When this individual saw this guy and they made contact and he had 10 seconds. Sometimes you got a think, is going forward better than going backwards because he ended up getting shot, if you gone forward and ran over the guy maybe not. What I am one point that out is we have to start realizing that these are real possibilities in this country.

WHITFIELD: Yeah, it was extraordinary to hear his kind of process of thinking, how for second he thought, I am not going to do anything. And then he thought, well no, I have to do something.

GILLIAM: And that's a reaction versus action. We have to be ready for action when that time comes.

WHITFIELD: That I was extraordinary moment that he was detailing for everybody. So Art, you know, also it appeared an invaluable tool was disclosed, circuit cameras that were there at that clinic. How instrumental was it for law enforcement to carry out, you know, the duties that they did there and be able to save lives? Well, the video camera, the video feed was key. I mean obviously, when you've got an individual like this, who's not only sniping at people from a distance but also shooting people inside the clinic.

To know where he is at a given moment is the key part of this, because sometimes you can get a shot externally from outside the building, internally to take the individual out. And I think that is exactly what they were looking at.

WHITFIELD: All right Art Roderick, Johnny Gilliam, thanks to both of you gentleman, appreciate it.

And of course we do want to time out to remember the victims of that clinic shooting. Two civilians and one police officer with the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs were killed. And while we try to identify the civilians we do know a bit more about the 44-year- old officer, Garrett Swasey was a husband, a father of two and was once a champion ice skater. He was also a friend to Scott Dontanville who I spoke to last hour.

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SCOTT DONTANVILLE, FRIEND OF OFFICER GARRETT SWASEY: He might not be in alignment with the abortion industry but he'll be willing to go in and lay down his life for those people, and that's just the testimony to me. The kind of man he is, not just courageous but Christlike because that's what Christ has done for us. And so that is the man and that's the impacted, and I think it's going to have a real positive impact on our community bringing us together.

Garrett wasn't a guy that boasted himself. I always thought that Garrett was like utility field on a baseball team. He could do all kinds of things. And he was good at them, he was bright, he was intelligent. Last week we played together, music together on a worship team and I just got -- he got a kick out of -- when we had finished, we have gone through a song before the congregation and I had played the wrong chords through the whole song, and he just followed me in that. And afterward he said, "Bro, we both just took a huge train wreck here" but just laughing and I will miss Garrett's affection and laugh.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

WHITFIELD: Officer Garrett Swasey grew up in Melrose, Massachusetts, just north of Boston. The mayor of Melrose, Robert Dolan released a statement saying, "Officer Swasey was active in his community and his church in Colorado. As a class of 1989 graduate, I remember him to be a kind and caring young man with many friends dedicated to his skating career and excelling in all areas at Melrose High School."

[13:10:10] A YouCaring fun page has been setup by a family friend in honor of the fallen officer.

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WHITFIELD: All right, Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson says the United States need to do more to help solve the Syrian refugee crisis. Carson is in Northern Jordan visiting refugee camps. He released a statement moments ago saying, the United States must do more, bringing 25,000 refugees to the United States does nothing to solve the crisis.

All right, let's talk a little bit more about all of this, joining me right now Republican Strategist Kayleigh McEnany and Democratic Strategist Nomiki Konst. So, Kayleigh, Carson's campaign says, his trip to Jordan is a listening and learning trip, but in recent weeks Carson has come under criticism for his knowledge, or lack thereof, as it relates to a foreign affairs. Will this trip be what he needs to kind of bolster his foreign policy chops?

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: It definitely can be the first step. You know, if you think about to his campaign in 2008, people were really questioning his foreign policy credentials. So what did he do? In 2008 he went to Jordan, he went to Iraq, he kind of bucked up those foreign policy credentials and that's what Carson is trying to do. This is a first step, I don't know if it's enough to have him keep up with the likes of a Ted Cruz or Donald Trump or others who are perceived to be good in foreign policy, but it's a good first step.

WHITFIELD: Oh it is. OK. So Nomiki, do you agree a good first step especially since he has fallen into third place in Iowa, according to the most recent Quinnipiac Poll.

[13:15:04] He is losing to some evangelical supporters. So, one has to wonder whether this overseas trip might assist or gain some attention among some of the supporters that have kind of perhaps shown that they're - he is losing favor with them?

NOMIKI KONST, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Yeah, I think that, you know, obviously the humanitarian side of this argument speaks well to evangelicals. You know, the difficult thing here is that it's too little too late in my opinion, I think that all Republican strategist would say that this is a good step in the right direction for him, but, you know, he does have to compete with Ted Cruz as Kayleigh said, who has a strong foreign policy background.

Ted Cruz is focusing on four different things right now, he's focusing on small government, Christian values, his experience fighting for these values in Washington as oppose to Ben Carson and Donald Trump, and four, foreign policy because he has a strong foreign policy record. And I just don't think at this point Carson can really step up his game, no matter how many trips he takes, no matter how many times he changes his position, because just last week, Carson said that middle eastern country should be taking in more refugees instead of the United States.

Even though that the U.N. even says that Saudi Arabia has accepted 500,000 refugees. They're just not part of the U.N. convention so they're not going through the visa process. Even though these camps or where those 18 to 24 month, to 34 month waiting period are happening, and that's all around Syria right now, that's in Turkey, that's in Jordan, that's in Lebanon which, you know, a third of Lebanon's population right now is made up of Syrian refugees. So these arguments that he's been making over the past few weeks, they're crumbling, and I think that Ted Cruz who does have the facts, I may not agree with his -- you know, he agrees with that program to put more refugees on mid east, but at least he understands it.

MCENANY: His point with refugees is well taken, there are more than 180 countries in the world, so why did the refugees need to come to come, to the one place which is the number one target of ISIS? He is absolutely right to say there are other places where these refugees can go, and it's also good that he's going and seeing firsthand the strife of the refugees, the hardships of the refugees and coming up with the solution. He understand the problem but the solution is not to take in tons of refugees to the number one target of ISIS.

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WHITFIELD: But Kayleigh when Ben Carson says, the U.S. needs to do more, what is he talking about if not taking in Syrian refugees after, he already is on record is saying, we shouldn't take them in and made his comparisons to rabid dogs, et cetera. So, what does he mean in your view?

MCENANY: His comparison to rabid dogs was not a comparison of the refugees to rabid dogs. He was saying, among the refugees there are terrorist and he is comparing the terrorist to rabid dogs. But there are solutions like setting up a refugee camps in Turkey, these are steps that President Obama should have taken, if he was concerned about the refugees he should have set up camps within Syria, he choose not to do so. There are plenty of things that can be done, by taking -- some could be terrorism into United States is not the solution.

WHITFIELD: OK. All right, well let's shift gears a little bit and let's talk about Donald Trump, you know, once again kind, you know, in the spotlight, taking on some heat for some words and behavior. You know, we the list is growing, he has been criticized for calling Mexicans, rapists, saying John McCain, you know, was not a war hero. Calling for the surveillance of mosques, claiming that he saw Muslims in New Jersey cheering when the World Trade Center fell, and then now he is in hot water for mocking the New York Times reporter who went to look into that further and said, you know, law enforcement, no one has found that those allegations are true.

Serge Kovaleski suffers from a congenital joint condition and this with Donald Trump. Most recently and some are saying that he went a bit too far.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Right after a couple of good paragraphs, and talking about northern New Jersey draws the probe reside written by nice reporter. Now the poor guy you see this guy. I don't know what I said, I don't remember -- maybe that's what I said. This was 14 years ago, they didn't do a retraction.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WHITFIELD: So Nomiki, you know, can anyone explain how even that latest, you know, display doesn't seem to impact Donald Trump's popularity, or at least we're not seeing that it is. So what is the message that Donald Trump is sending with this latest -- how do we described that behavior, I'll just leave it at that.

KONST: You know I think -- listen, I'm taking great liberty here to try to interpret that latest info on his behalf, his latest outburst. I think that his challenging of the media is one of his messages that he puts out there. I think he likes to be non-P.C. guy who, you know, calls things like it is, and that speaks to his base.

[13:20:01] You know, to the rest of the population, beyond -- he was 75 percent of voters that are not siding with him Trump right now that's an insults.

But to the 25 percent of voters who've made up their minds, they're really not going to change at this point. And when you look at them, he talks about the same issues over and over, he's anti-media, he's anti-government, he's anti-politician, he wants to improve the economy and he wants to strengthen national security bombing everybody, and it really doesn't go far past that, like he doesn't get into any details, and I think that these are the kinds of comments that he makes everyday so he can get in the press and continue his lead in the Republican primary.

WHITFIELD: So Kayleigh what's your response to that? I mean is he Teflon and, you know, how is that, like Nomiki said, he gets to get away with no -- with divulging very little detail?

MCENANY: You know Donald Trump is purveying something that our current President is not and that's strength. When he says I'm going to attack those terrorist, voters who are scared, who look at Paris, who look to where -- almost 150 people died, more than 400 have died at the hands of ISIS in the last two months, people look and they are scared, and they look at Donald Trump and they see strength and they see result, and they see executive decision making in a history of executive successful decision making. They trust him and it's materializing in the polls and he could be very well be our next president. If America continues to be scared of terrorist and nothing is done about it from the White House.

WHITFIELD: All right, we're going to leave it right there ladies, because something tells me we're going to have this conversation again, a continuation at another time, just not right now.

All right, Nomiki Konst, Kayleigh Mcenany, thank you so much ladies, appreciate it.

WHITFIELD: Thank you.

All right, straight ahead. Intelligence officials in Kenya arrest two men they say were planning to carry out terror attacks. We'll tell you who they were allegedly working for, next.

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[13:25:26] WHITFIELD: All right, France says, it has stopped nearly 1,000 people from entering the country since the Paris terror attacks. The French interior minister says people who have been turned away were deemed "Security risks to our public order." He also said there are 15,000 officers currently stationed along France's borders.

And three people are dead after a mortar attack in northern Mali overnight. Mortars launched at a United Nations base, killed two peacekeepers and a contractor and wounded other people.

And intelligence officials in Kenya say they have uncovered what they call an Iranian sponsored spy ring in the country's capital. He also say the operatives were planning to carry out terror attacks. CNN Correspondent Robin Creel is live for us now from Nairobi with some exclusive information on this. Robin, what we know so far?

ROBIN CREEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fredricka, what we know is that counterintelligence officials here in Kenya, told CNN that the two men, both Kenyan nationals were plotting terror attacks on soft targets, such as Westin hotels frequented by businessmen, tourists and diplomats. I'll read you the names of the men, 69-year-old Abubakar Sadiq Louw and 25-year-old Yassin Sambai Juma have confessed, police say, to working for Iran's Quds Force, the Special Forces wing of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, and they were working with side by an Iranian official.

His code name was "Parsa", his name was Mojtaba Ghanbarian. We understand that a manhunt is also underway for other people about these two individuals, Kenyan nationals could have recruited to join them, as I said, they were picked up just a few days ago and police say that they were working for a Iran's state intelligence, spying, and they had traveled to Iran several times to receive military training and spy craft training. Fred. WHITFIELD: And Kenyan officials also mentioned that they have not manhunt underway for a British national, also suspected in some sort of terror plot, what do we know about that?

CREEL: Well yes, so he is -- it's almost -- it's completely different story from the police, but they are -- they do have an active manhunt, as he said, for a British National, they believe that he is part of Al-Shabaab, they released his picture of Malik Yassin to the media and to the public, asking the public if they have seen him, they say that he could have shaved his beard, that he has brown eyes, and that he has a light skin complexion. They believe he is part of al-Qaeda- linked Al-Shabaab.

Now, you will remember that the Kenyan Defense Forces are fighting at the al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabaab across the border in Somalia. Al- Shabaab does sometimes launch terror attacks here in Kenya, such as the Westgate terror attack back in 2013 and the Garissa University attack earlier this year in April that killed 147 people. They are asking the public to be aware of this person and if they -- obviously if they see him to alert 0the police.

WHITFIELD: All right, Robin Creel in Nairobi. Thank you so much. And we'll be right back.

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[13:32:11] WHITFIELD: All right, hello again and thanks so much for joining me, I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

Let's get back to the new developments surrounding the shooting a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The suspected gunman 57-year-old Robert Lewis Dear is now in -- due in court on Monday. He is accused of opening fire at that clinic yesterday, killing three people and wounding nine others. Authorities say the suspect barricaded himself in the clinic for nearly six hours putting the surrounding community on lock down.

Peggy Masias was grocery shopping right next door to the clinic, while gunfire erupted outside, she hid inside her car in a parking during this terrifying ordeal. Peggy now joining me on the phone, so Peggy, I'm so glad you're OK, I am sure you are still pretty shaken up about what happened less than 24 hours ago. How are you holding on?

PEGGY MASIAS, PLANNED PARENTHOOD SHOOTING WITNESS: I am doing fine. I certainly my heart breaks for our community and you keep replaying it.

WHITFIELD: And tell me what you are replaying in your mind, where were you at what point did you hear the gun fire and, you know, your reaction. I mentioned that you were you at the grocery store next door but then you hit in a vehicle. So give me an idea, the sequence of events as it pertains to you and your actions.

MASIAS: Well, I stop the grocery store real quick on my way home, bringing in a couple of things, went through the stuff, check out. As I was exiting there was a group of people right here at the Starbucks and I did overhear someone say, there was a shooting and I went ahead through the doors -- I went ahead and went through them, and at that time I saw a number of police cars over by Chase Bank, someone from said, I wouldn't stand around. I get to my car and get out of here.

So I started running to my car and at that point I saw a state patrol officer pulling into the parking lot to blockade an exit. And then I heard some -- just as I got my car. Someone yelled to get down and there was a pop, pop, pop, pop. A series at gunshot and then someone yelled, "Get in your car. Lock the door. Stay down." So, I got in my car, got around and got in my car and got down in the floorboard and then started to call my husband. And on and off, there were pop, pop, pop of gunfire. Anyway.

WHITFIELD: Oh my goodness, did you feel like that gunfire was getting closer to you? Could you even, you know, tell, what were you thinking at that moment as you were crouched down on the floorboard, and then hearing this gunfire?

[13:35:05] MASIAS: Well, I heard gunfire before but I've not heard so many. And I would -- I knew because someone mentioned Planned Parenthood, I knew the direction it was coming from but I didn't know if they were there were -- I just didn't know. I was afraid -- I was worried about, you know, being there and something happening in my family not knowing where I am.

WHITFIELD: Right. And how long did you stay crouched down in your vehicle?

MASIAS: It seems a lot longer but I think about -- from the time I called my husband to the time I got home was about 20 minutes. So it was -- and I live maybe five minutes from the store. So, probably 15 minute until I didn't hear any gunshots and I heard a couple cars pass behind my car, so I just got up, started it and getting out of the south parking lot.

WHITFIELD: But you still had to be so incredibly fearful to get up, get in that, you know, get in the driver seat, behind that wheel and crank up the car. Tell me what you were thinking and feeling at that very moment.

MASIAS: I just kept looking around, and surprisingly, there was a man walking -- he was going into the grocery store. I mean, I can still see him with his shopping bags under his arms like -- and people pumping gas. They had no idea what was going on and what kind of danger they were in. I just wanted to get home and be safe.

WHITFIELD: Yeah. And so now the day after, how are feeling about your personal safety about the assessment of what happened, how narrowly you came, you know, to what became a deadly encounter with this gunman, three people in all killed including a police officer. How does this impact in your view, what it is to move about in your community. Go to grocery store that you are very familiar with, knowing where the Planned Parenthood, all that took place. How do you suppose this has impacted you now?

MASIAS: Well, I had a conversation this morning with my husband. I don't think I'm going to be shopping there, even though I used to shop there two, three, four times a week, you know, picking up this or that. We had planned to go to a tree lighting ceremony tonight, we're not going to do that because I just don't want to be in the crowd. You know, daughter goes UCCS so she is feeling badly, the police officer that was killed was from the UCCS. I'll just take it day by day.

WHITFIELD: Peggy Masias, thank you so much for joining us and sharing on this very personal experience. Again, we are glad you're OK, but of course our hearts go out to everyone there who has been directly impacted, particularly those three people, including that police officer who lost their lives as a result.

All right thank you so much, and we'll be right back.

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[13:42:09] WHITFIELD: All right, Turkish President, Erdogan is calling on Russia to open a dialogue over the downing of a Russian fighter jet. In a statement a short time ago, Erdogan said he wanted to settle the issue saying, "Let's not make others happy by escalating it to a level that could hurt all our relations."

Turkey's president has already extended an invitation to Russian President Vladimir Putin to have a side meeting at this week's climate summit in Paris. Putin has not responded. And just in the last hour, Reuters is reporting, new economic sanctions are being taken by Russia against Turkey. They include restricting travel and the hiring of Turkish workers for some companies.

All right, let's take a closer look at the escalating tensions with me now, Lieutenant General Mark Hertling, a CNN military analyst, a retired Army Commanding General, Europe and the 7th Army. Good to see you.

And Lieutenant Colonel -- I laugh because we joke all the time, I'm like, "Your title gets longer and longer. You just have an incredible, you know, repertoire of experience." Congratulations on that.

All right Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shaffer, a retired Army intelligence operative, good to see you as well.

TONY SHAFFER, RETIRED ARMY INTELLIGENCE Operative: Good to see you too.

WHITFIELD: OK. So gentlemen, so Turkey is taking a more conciliatory tone, but Vladimir Putin, so far, giving the cold shoulder. I just explained the other things like visa restrictions, et cetera. But now, do you worry Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer, that this is a prelude to something else, far more serious, far more, I guess nerve-wracking as it pertains to Russia and Turkey, that relationship, and many Russia and its positioning with Bashar al-Assad in Syria?

SHAFFER: Well it's very clear, Turkey is essentially no one's ally except so far now is playing its own game. NATO was very quick to distance itself from the downing Russian jet, and frankly they have not been our best ally regarding ISIS, by the fact they left the backdoor open. They've been one of the main trading partners with ISIS. And so I think Putin's actions now are going to be measured against two things. His long game, Putin clearly has designs I'm trying -- essentially recap and recapture power they lost there in the '70.

Since they're going for 60 percent control the world oil through its alliance with you the Iranian secondly, but he will not sit quietly and let this go by. He will be doing things. You've already seen the sanctions in place. I suspect they'll be doing other things behind the scenes, you will not see a direct response, but I think both sides will want to keep this as contained as possible as they go forward.

WHITFIELD: And General Mark Hertling, so what is behind or, is there a way of explaining from perhaps a military strategic, you know, point of view. What is it about Russia being so committed to Bashar al- Assad and Syria in that respect, while also, you know, carrying out air missions in the northern portion of Syria, which would supposedly be targeting ISIS but then Vladimir Putin says he's not necessarily targeting ISIS, I mean that's not the main objective, it is more so to support the Bashar al-Assad.

[13:45:10] Can you have it both ways or is it one and the same?

MARK HERTLING, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: You can't Fred, and this has been an interesting dynamic, and you have to consider that both the Mr. Putin and Mr. Erdogan have often pose themselves as irrational actors on the world scene. You know, to start, the first thing they've done is throwing around economic sanction that's bizarre when you think about it.

I mean when I was in Europe, Russia and Turkish economy were the two worst in all of Europe, and Turkey is the only country in Europe that's not supporting the sanctions against Russia against Ukraine. So for Mr. Putin to say, "Hey, we're going to throw sanctions up against Turkey" is just -- it's just crazy. But when you take a look, as Tony said, the Russian long game, their long game is to buy strategic objectives, they've done it in the Black Sea, they're trying to do it in the Mediterranean and that's one of the biggest reasons for having this friendship with Mr. Assad.

They have bases that give them access to the Mediterranean and they want that. They really don't care who is in power, they supported him in the past, you will see a wavering of this, but you talk about the combination of Russia with Iran, Russia with Syria, Russia against the United States and using Syria and Iran to do that. Russia against the NATO expansion, he'll do the same thing there. So this is a very strange strategic game, Mr. Putin is playing, and he's playing it without an economy or a military that truly supports his objectives. That's the problematic piece.

WHITFIELD: And then Colonel Shaffer, how do you interpret Russia also deploying large missiles to Syria, Kremlin is saying these missiles will stop something, like the shot down from happening ever again or is there something else here? SHAFFER: No, Mark is current. This is part of the long game, everything that they're doing essentially is trying to reestablish the influence they lost in the '70s for purposes of essentially keeping control of what they have expanded, we're calling what they're doing -- with Syria and Iran, the Damascus pact, they're really trying to reestablish these condominiums which really will benefit his activities there. And so what you're seeing here is these new weapons systems are not going to deter or stop Turkey from doing what it did this time, it's more about trying to protect the resources and locations he feels that he wants to protect.

And again, I think what we have to recognize here is Putin is playing his own game. He's been on this game for a while, and he will ally himself with anybody he thinks will benefit his objectives. Bashar al-Assad I think is cashier before too long, I mean, the Russians have telegraph their willingness to negotiate his departure. The biggest thing that is beneficial to us right now, Fred, is the fact that he has to help us retain Syria as government space, terrorist are gone to ungoverned space.

So, like we saw in Libya we do not want to see the chaos caused a removal of a leader and seeing everything fall apart. That would actually -- would even help ISIS much more.

WHITFIELD: Right. All right, well that's -- as we know that's been the argument of how they were able to take advantage of space in Iraq, in Somalia and also in Libya as you say. All right, thank you so much gentleman, Colonel Tony Shaffer and General Mark Hertling, I appreciate it.

HERTLING: Thank you Fred.

SHAFFER: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: All right. All right, the City of Chicago is at a boiling point.

Protesters shutting down Black Friday shopping in the city, expressing outrage over a teen's killing and alleged coverup. That is next.

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[13:52:58] WHITFIELD: A largely peaceful, very diverse protest, but Chicago police did arrest four people during a major protest over that fatal shooting of a teenager. The fatal police shooting of a teenager. Demonstrators packed the streets and paralyzed Black Friday shopping. They are demanding the resignations of top city officials, claiming there was a year-long cover-up of a police dash cam video that shows an officer shooting 17-year-old Laquan McDonald.

Now Ryan Young joining now from Chicago with the very latest, so Ryan, what are the demonstrations looking like today?

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good afternoon Fred, how you doing? I think the highlight from yesterday's protest should be the fact that it remained peaceful. In fact if you look at the streets here, they're back and normal. Everything is opened back up, this street was completely shutdown yesterday afternoon, as protesters marched 11:00 all the way to 5:00 in the afternoon. In fact at one point, even at 7:30 at night they were still blocking several stores down the way here. They would stop an intersection just like this one and say 16 shot, 16 shots, and they would walk to the next block and do the same thing over and over.

Then around 1:00 in the afternoon we saw people standing in front of the stores, interlocking their arms throughout all races, checking and came in the store or 16 shots, we heard it over and over and people did not get access to several stores. In fact I talked to a manager who told me, his sales flat line yesterday in the Chicago area because of the protest. In fact, we talked to a protester who was excited about what is happening in the streets here in Chicago.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They thought that we would respond by burning it down, the precious magnificent mile will be up in flames, but look at the city, we're out here peaceful. We want peace, we want justice, we want opportunity. To see people locking their arms together, a lot of these folks don't know each other and making sure they're chanting and stopping commerce.

YOUNG: How's that make you feel?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's beautiful. I mean it makes my eyes swell up with joy. Look at the diversity, old, young, rich, poor, white, black. We're all out here fighting for the same thing, we love this city.

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YOUNG: Fred look, this is the international station, so you have people coming on from all over to enjoy the weekend here and spend their money.

[13: 55:07] That effectively shutdown yesterday, as we walk out here and you look up and down the sidewalk you can see all these people who are moving freely doing all their shopping business, it wasn't the case yesterday. The headline last week though, as people were worried about the protesters, this week it's a different story, yes they were able to make their voices loud and heard but at the same time nobody got hurt.

WHITFIELD: OK. And -- so those are the positive outcomes that your guest even just described, but then, why the four arrest? Why was four arrested?

YOUNG: That's an excellent point, we did see one of the arrest happened, a young man got into a tussle with the police officer, they asked him to get out of the street. I believe he tried to push that police officer, he was taken down. Most of the time we saw police officer giving orders to protesters and they abided by those. In fact if you asked the public for the most part, the police officers and the protesters didn't have confrontations, that's something everybody was watching and waiting, they were all being very smart. The other three, we're not sure what happened, what legal charges placed, but usually it comes from an officer making a lawful order and that person not abiding by it.

WHITFIELD: All right, Ryan Young, thanks you so much, appreciate it, in Chicago.

And we'll be right back.

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