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Donald Trump Quiet After Controvesial 9/11 Remarks; Lamar Odom's Condition Improving; Five More Alleged Knife Attacks in Jerusalem; Ivanka Trump Speaks Out About Her Father; New Info on Deadly Oregon Shooting; Graffiti Artist's Subversive Messages in "Homeland". Aired 3-4p ET

Aired October 17, 2015 - 15:00   ET

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[15:00:00] POPPY HARLOW, CNN HOST:

Top of the hour. I'm Poppy Harlow, joining you from New York this afternoon. Thank you so much for being with me

We begin with politics. Republican front-runner Donald Trump not saying much today after press, by CNN political reporter, MJ Lee on his controversial 9/11 remarks.

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MJ LEE, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Mr. Trump, can you clarify, do you think the 9/11 was President Bush's fault?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's get out of here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Media's fault.

LEE: Is that close on Twitter that your comments about 9/11 were...

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HARLOW: Early yesterday, Trump made a remark about the 9/11 terror attack. Listen to this.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When you talk about George Bush, I mean, say what you want the World Trade Center came down during his time. If you look at Sandy Hook...

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STEPHANIE RUHLE, BLOOMBERG HOST: Hold on, that you can't blame George Bush for that.

TRUMP: He was president, OK. Well, don't blame him or don't blame him, but he was president. The World Trade Center came down during his reign.

(END VIDEO CLIP) HARLOW: Jeb Bush fired back tweeting yesterday "How pathetic for Donald Trump to criticize the president for 9/11. We were attacked and my brother kept us safe." Well, Trump responded on Twitter saying, "No way, Jeb Bush, you're pathetic for saying nothing happened during your brother's term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down."

He also tweeted at Jeb Bush "Like it or not, our country needs more energy and spirit that you can provide make America great again."

Let's talk it all over and more with Ryan Lizza, Washington correspondent for New York magazine. Ryan, thank you for that. I do want your...

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RYAN LIZZA, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, THE NEW YORKER MAGAZINE: New Yorker, Poppy. New Yorker.

HARLOW: I -- how could I do that. I am very sorry.

LIZZA: That's all right.

HARLOW: New Yorker. Ryan, I want your reaction to Trump's on camera silence. I mean, MJ Lee actually asked him times than we showed you over and over...

LIZZA: I'm sorry.

HARLOW: ... to say something responding he did, though say it on Twitter. What's your take?

LIZZA: Well, for, you know, look, the first time -- for one of the times in this campaign I think Trump realizes that saying something about 9/11 and who's responsible and who's not is an extremely sensitive and controversial subject. And if he's going to say any more about it, he seems like he wants to be a little bit more well-thought- out than his off-the-cuff comments to what was it, Bloomberg.

HARLOW: Right.

LIZZA: Or to a tweets. Look, I -- you know, I want to be very careful of what I say about this. But if you read -- some people and the Jeb camp are arguing that he blamed George W. Bush for 9/11.

HARLOW: Right.

LIZZA: I did not hear him say that in the original interview. I heard him make a very specific statement saying that 9 -- George W. Bush was president when 9/11 happened.

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HARLOW: Right. That you're right. That is what he said. He said it came down on his lot. LIZZA: And so, it does, you know, the follow-up is really important,

what does he mean here, right? On one extreme, is he a crazy trotter who thinks that George W. Bush is responsible for 9/11, I doubt he thinks that. That would, you know, that would probably be the end of his campaign if that's actually what he thinks.

HARLOW: Right.

LIZZA: But, look, let's go back in time. There was a respectable serious debate about how much the government did and focusing on Al Qaeda and terrorism in the run-up to 9/11.

HARLOW: Sure.

LIZZA: And if that's the debate he's trying to spark I don't think that's out of balance.

HARLOW: Well, let me say this because one of the tweets we didn't show you that I do think is really important for context here.

LIZZA: Yes.

HARLOW: Right, is that he also tweeted this yesterday. He tweeted at Jeb Bush at the debate "You said your brother kept us safe. I wanted to be nice and did not mention the WTC, the World Trade Center, came down during his watch, 9/11."

LIZZA: Yes.

HARLOW: So, that's just us a little more context. I do want you to listen to this, right?

LIZZA: Yes.

HARLOW: This is Mitt Romney said speaking on David Axelrod's podcast before these remarks about 9/11 but just about his style.

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MITT ROMNEY (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think Donald Trump has a number of things which are hurtful and he has said that they were childish in some respects, and I think will be potentially problematic in a -- either in a primary or in a general election if he were to become the nominee.

And they relate to things he said about women and things he said about the members of the news media, things he said about Hispanics.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: At the same time, that's Mitt Romney saying this is going to hurt him if he makes it to the general. The polls just don't show that at all.

(CROSSTALK) LIZZA: That alone is amazing. Yes. Well, that alone is amazing that Mitt Romney, the former nominee of the party is actually taking seriously the possibility that Donald Trump could be the nominee of the party. You know, a few months ago I don't -- you know, most people like that Mitt Romney would not even entertain the idea that he's -- he could possibly be the nominee.

Trump is been up at the top of the polls for so long. I think everyone has to, you know, at least admit that that's within the realm of possibility now. But, he is correct. I don't take a lot of -- I don't put a lot of stock into the head-to-head polls, Poppy.

[15:05:04] HARLOW: Right.

LIZZA: The polls this far out that show a republican against a democrat in the fall election, those are really, really not predictive this far out. That once we get closer to Election Day next fall, then those head-to-head polls matter a lot. I don't put much talking in them right now.

What Mitt Romney said though, he studied his campaign loss pretty closely. He knows that he lost that campaign because he did not do well with Hispanics. He did not do as well as he should have done with women.

HARLOW: Right.

LIZZA: And the entire Republican Party since Mitt Romney's loss has been trying to fix that problem. And I think a lot of folks like Mitt Romney do not see Trump as executing a strategy that is going to allow Republicans to do better with those groups.

HARLOW: All right. And I have to -- have to get you on Biden here. Because your article this week that made so many waves. First of all, releasing that memo about sort of, how to beat Hillary Clinton from the Obama camp back in 2008.

LIZZA: Yes.

HARLOW: But turning to Joe Biden who you've reported extensively on. So, we find out this morning he had this call with the major labor union leader yesterday, right? The the of the International Association of Firefighters. Also, that's the union that the New York Times reported had abandoned just about a month ago, it's willingness to back Hillary Clinton in this election.

You've got that on top of the fact that the teamsters and the SI your major union in this country have not endorsed a candidate yet. How big is that union backing for someone in the Democratic Party to win and make it to the general.

LIZZA: It's a big deal. I mean, look, you can win without big union backing but you got to win a piece of that, you got to be competitive. There are very important constituency in Democratic primaries. They provide a lot of the -- of the grassroots, foot soldiers that go out there and help you win the vote and get voters to polls and primary states.

And, look, you don't -- we don't have to be and it's pretty obvious what's going on here, Hillary Clinton comes out against a major trade deal that is -- that is not supported by the unions. I think it's clear that part of the reason she did that is because she has Joe Biden potentially breathing down her neck.

And as you pointed out you have the firefighters union pulling back seemingly waiting to see what Biden does. And now this a very intriguing phone call. But if Biden is going to jump in he's going to want some establishment backing right out of the gate.

He's going to want something that he can point to, to say look, this campaign is real, Hillary has not actually locked up, all of the power centers of the Democratic Party, and so just reading the tea leaves, you know, if he jumps in may be that that's what it this call is about with the firefighters.

HARLOW: Yes, fascinating. We should know in a matter of days, that's what sources are telling us here at CNN. Ryan Lizza, when we find out you can bet you're going to be on air -- our air talking about it either. Thank you.

LIZZA: Thank you, Poppy. I'll see you soon.

HARLOW: Thank you as always. Coming up next, we have new information, very disturbing information. But some -- some hope about the condition of former NBA star, Lamar Odom.

Also, one of the first athletes, an NBA star in his own right to publicly acknowledge his drug problem. He will be with me live, next, to shine a spotlight on the issue.

And later, artistic sabotage in the set of the Emmy Award winning television show "Homeland." The show gets duped as critics label some storylines racist and just plain wrong. What happened? Brian Stelter with me on that.

[15:10:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARLOW: Former NBA basketball star, Lamar Odom's condition is improving. Sources say he is now responsive and communicating just days after he was found unconscious in that Nevada brothel. He apparently gave a greeting and even a thumbs-up on Friday. He was able to say hello to his estranged wife, Chloe Kardashian, who is by his side.

Paul La Monica (ph) has more on Odom's condition.

PAUL LA MONICA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Poppy in drips and drabs, more information servicing that Lamar Odom's condition is improving and he was able to utter some short words. One source telling CNN that he said "hi" to his estranged wife, Chloe Kardashian. And Kris Jenner, technically, still his mother-in-law, she told access Hollywood that Odom is no longer in a coma that he's not on a ventilator but he has a breathing mask. She says that he did suffer some organ damage. And some reports are now servicing about sort of the chaotic scene when Odom was first wheeled onto the second floor in the ICU unit. George Cooper's wife is also in ICU, and he described how he was put in a two to three hour lockdown in her room as Odom was admitted and some sort of a disturbance was created in the effort to create more security on that floor. Let's listen.

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GEORGE COOPER, HUSBAND OF PATIENT IN ICU: The security is really tight like you get to pass security down the elevator and go up to the floor. They pass the security down on the floor and then all throughout the night there's a banging and clinging as his entourage, his managers and basketball players and whatnot coming in and out off the floor.

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LA MONICA: That's George Cooper, his wife also in the ICU. So, the headline here little by little Lamar Odom's condition seems to be improving. Back to you now, Poppy.

HARLOW: Paul La Monica (ph), thank you very much. And as Odom fights for recovery in a Nevada hospital the question now becomes, how can be helped and who can help the most?

Fourteen year NBA veteran and former coach John Lucas joins me now. Thank you for being with me.

JOHN LUCAS, FORMER NBA VETERAN: Thank you, Poppy. How are you? What -- what a blessing to hear about Lamar.

HARLOW: I know.

LUCAS: I actually was -- I was actually in Las Vegas today. He was all with there and I went to go see him but it was so much of a lot of people there. I just didn't go in. But I've been reaching out and reaching for Lamar for years, and hopefully now we can finally make try a connection

HARLOW: Yes. I certainly hope you can. Let's tell people a little bit of your history here because it certainly plays into this. You lost your place on two NBA teams because of your own drug problem. You are a recovering addict, for many years, you've been in recovery. You started your own drug treatment center, wellness center, you wrote a book "Winning A Day at a Time."

When he is recovering, you know, what is the most important thing that people can do around him?

LUCAS: Well, you know, the first thing is that I hope that he gets the gift of desperation. You know, I had to get desperate, I had to lose all. I was the number one pick in the trial. I had everything. And I just had to get the gift of desperation. I was seeking time out of being time. [15:14:59] And the next thing is, you know, till love is love and the

people around you. You have to give your tough love and to show compassion. But drinking and drugging on whatever the issues are isn't his problem. The problem that we have with people that he have, what I have is that I can't live life on life's terms. So much on life is unacceptable to me. And a lot of it through sports is about perfection.

You know, a lot of us can handle retirement. A lot of us can handle, which it build around a lot of Lamar -- a lot of doubt, how do I handle fears.

HARLOW: Yes.

LUCAS: How do I handle routines that should deal with on a daily basis.

HARLOW: Absolutely. And he lost so much. He lost his mother when he was 12, he has a very difficult relationship with his father. He lost his six-month-old child to sudden infant death syndrome.

I want you to listen to what a former coach and mentor of his told Anderson Cooper this week.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, "AC360": He talked publicly about, you know, kind of death who was always around him. He'd lost a lot of friends. Obviously, his dad had struggled with addiction. Do you think that something that he felt, I mean, that he felt the shadow of what had happened to his dad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He talked about it though, all the time. He was always around those types of things that he always worried about that, and was afraid that could become him. And I would always tell them, Lamar, it doesn't have to be you, you know, use that to go the other way.

COOPER: Do you think if he -- if he does pull out of this if he recovers that -- that he would might changes?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going to tell you the same thing I told everyone else. Lamar has adapts to the people around him. If he's surrounded by people he will change, if he not, you know, the shame of it is dead. You would think that so many of these people realized the type of young man that he is and help him instead of trying to pull him down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:

HARLOW: Help him instead of trying to pull him down. Who does he need to surround himself with now?

LUCAS: Well, Poppy, the first thing is that that the people around him don't know. The first thing that you see is it sounds like there is a history of drug use in his family. So, we found out through addiction and drugs and alcohol that sometimes this is solicitude that he may not have a choice once he spoke his first joint or joint that active be in the disease.

The second thing that he has to do is accept that it's his problem. It doesn't have to be you do have to be you do have to change people, places, and things, but nobody held the gun to his head to make him to do it.

It's his problem. It's not everybody else is around. And one of the things that I had to learn to do was take ownership and I call this on me. And because I've had all the things in life (Inaudible) is just a call out of play I have to deal with.

You know when you start doing drugs and alcohol you end up in three places. You go to jail, you go to institutions, and then you die. Those are the pretty -- unless you adjust and you only meant to defend against the first three is your honest relationship, is your spiritual condition, is you got to find something greater than insult.

HARLOW: Yes.

LUCAS: And the best way to describe an addiction, Poppy, before you -- before you let me go is, if you can't change your behavior to meet your goals but you change your goals to meet your goals to meet your behavior then you got problem.

Now, what he needs is somebody to give him some good level of honestly who has been there who can say I know what you feel and that to try to think what you feel, who knows the pain that he's in and the feel of life, because life is a lot of problem. How do I live life on life's terms?

HARLOW: John Lucas, thank you so much for being with me. Thank you for what you're doing for so many. We'll be right back.

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HARLOW: We're turning now to the Middle East where tensions are escalating by the day. Five more allege knife attacks today against Israelis in Jerusalem and also in the West Bank and three Palestinians have been left dead as well. This fear has raise that the region will explode in all-out violence. Both Israelis and Palestinians calling for peace in a march today.

CNN's Oren Liebermann reports from Jerusalem.

OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: Poppy, we're here at a very large rally marhcing through the streets of Jerusalem at that a peace rally, a joint peace rally between Israelis and Arabs calling for end of the violence and end of the tax and calling for two state solution.

Take a look at this rally behind me, you can't even see where it ends. There are hundreds, perhaps even more than a 1000 people here holding up signs saying Jews and Arabs staying together against racism. That main side right there saying we're stopping the racism, that's what they're calling for here, a peaceful, calm situation were very far from that right now.

Five attacks today, adding to weeks of attacks, those attacks now entering their week of the international community.

Secretary of State John Kerry is very much getting involve speaking not only to the Prime Minister Netanyahu, but also with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and the King Abdullah II of Jordan.

They're trying, if not to create immediate two-state solution which many Shiaats unlikely, right now trying to at least get these sides talking, get there to be some sort of movement towards his, some sort of movement towards calm right now to assume that comes.

To come back to a situation where there can at least be, if not tangible results towards a peaceful two-state solution. At least get these sides talking to end this wave of violence, this wave of attacks that's very much what they're hoping for here behind me. Poppy.

HARLOW: Absolutely. Oren Liebermann from Jerusalem for us today. Thank you very much. Coming up next, the politics we go, I sit down with Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka Trump in her interview since her father entered the race for the White House.

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HARLOW: She could be Donald Trump's most powerful potential sure as he runs for president, Ivanka Trump, his 33-year-old daughter who is also an accomplished businesswoman in her own right. I sat down with their for an exclusive interview this week at Fortune's Most Powerful Women in business summit.

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HARLOW: Let's begin with this. We are at the Fortune Most Powerful Women Summit, and Michael Cohen from the Trump organization said that the company employs 57 percent men, and 43 percent women. But, there are more female executives than male within the Trump organization. How can we see that translate across corporate America so that more women are at the upper echelons.

IVANKA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S DAUGHTER: Well, I think it's incredibly important and I think companies who aren't prioritizing ensuring that women are at all levels within the organization and there is this proportion of men versus women and gender and equality. You know, anyone who is thinking in those terms and who is not being very proactive to ensure that their companies are being thoughtful about the gender mixes simply going to fall behind.

So, I think it will be a self-selecting thing, I think in 10 years from now the companies who haven't evolved will not be the companies what they are today. And, you know, I think my father recognize this a long time ago. I wouldn't be the person I am today.

I wouldn't the ambition to drive the passion; the commitment to what it is that I'm doing both for the Trump organization and from my own brands. If he hadn't encouraged me embolden me, given me the confidence that I could do whatever it is that I set my mind to accomplish. If I had the vision, the energy, the passion, and the work ethic to match.

So, I think really its leadership is about action, leadership is about setting an example and he's very much on that within the context of the Trump organization. And that's why, you know, my brothers and I are equally at the same level at the highest ranks within the context of that company.

HARLOW: You started women who work, it's an initiative you push to empower women at all levels to work and to follow their dreams. But Pew found that an increasing amount of American women are staying home from 23 percent in 1999 to 29 percent in 2000. And some of that is in part due to rising childcare costs.

[15:30:01] TRUMP: Yes.

HARLOW: What's your message in this campaign to those women?

TRUMP: Well, so my campaign is about the fact that women are working at all aspects of their life. And I think there is this tendency to talk about working woman, the working woman. There is this caricature of what that looks like. We represent 50 percent of the population; we're all working at different things. We all have different priorities, and those priorities change through the course of their lives.

My priorities today as a mother of two and one on the way are different from what they were 10 years ago, and likely will be different in 10 years from now. So, I really wanted to create a brand that was celebrating the fact that women are multidimensional, that were all working really hard at architecting the lives that we want to live, and lives that are consistent with our personal priorities.

And I do think there is this unfortunate and prevailing depiction of the working woman as, you know, wearing a black pant suit and being solely focused on her professional role. And that's just not true.

And hopefully, I can be a small part of changing the narrative around what it looks like to be a woman who works today, and that's the purpose of the campaign. It's not to tell people they should work or they shouldn't work.

HARLOW: Right.

TRUMP: It's not to push people in a certain direction. It's to celebrate the fact that we're all figuring it out, we're all working very, very hard. I know, for example, I'm more exhausted on a Monday morning after a weekend home with the kids...

HARLOW: Yes.

TRUMP: ... than I am on a Friday afternoon. That work really hard during the weekend.

HARLOW: Yes. TRUMP: So, it's really about just enabling and supporting women in architecting this ideal life for themselves.

HARLOW: Your father points to you telling him that he has been on the campaign trail quote, "Really misunderstood on his views about women." He has said some things that have about women that have shocked many people about Carly Fiorina, he said "Look at that face, would anyone vote for that?"

About Megyn Kelly's questioning of him in the first Fox debate, he said "There was blood coming out of her wherever." Ivanka, what was your reaction to that?

TRUMP: Well, I think a lot of the sensationalism around this was orchestrated largely by the media. Look, my father is very blunt, he's very direct, he is not gender specific in his criticism of people and his people that he doesn't particularly like or people that he does like, that things are wrong on a particular issue.

So, you know, I don't think that he is gender targeted at all. Like I said, I wouldn't be the person I am today. I wouldn't be a highest -- a high-level executive within his organization if he felt that way. So, he's always supported and encouraged women. And truthfully, he has proven that over decades through his employment practices, through his hiring practices.

HARLOW: What would a President Trump do for women in this country?

TRUMP: He be amazing for women in this country. He would be incredible for women in this country. And he's starting to articulate his positions. It's not my place to articulate this for him. I'm not part of the campaign. I'm very busy and he's kept me very busy working alongside my brothers and running the organization now that he is taking this step. And in terms of his efforts to try and make this country great again, as he says. So, you know, I'll leave policy to him.

HARLOW: Yes.

TRUMP: But I can speak from my vantage point as a child and also from my vantage point as a colleague and somebody who works for him. He's been an amazing parent. He's given me every opportunity to succeed. He's been loving and supportive. He's pushed me. He's corrected me. He's disciplined me. And I think as a parent now myself I appreciate how hard that is more than ever before.

When I was 15 or 16, I was a little less impressed by how tough he was and how strict he was with us his children. As a parent now, I see just how hard it is to raise children with drive and with passion and with energy who have a well-set moral compass. And he very much did that to me, and as well as a father.

And then as an executive I have seen what an unbelievable leader he is. He is the most formidable negotiator I ever seen. And I've seen a lot of great negotiators. He is also somebody who really encourages people to achieve at their highest level. He is -- he sets very high goals for everyone who works for him and who works with him. But really he helps them raise the bar for themselves in terms of what they want to accomplish.

HARLOW: What are your business goals for Ivanka Trump as a brand as the business.

TRUMP: I have far-reaching goals. I think my goals are less specific and more general now. I want to continue to grow the Trump organization footprint throughout the world.

[15:35:05] We have a hotel company, the Trump hotel collection which I'm incredibly proud of, which is now the fastest-growing luxury hotel brands. We have many very, very exciting property openings in the year to come here in Washington, D.C. with the old Post Office building, then iconic building right on Pennsylvania Avenue and in Rio de Janeiro, in Vancouver, and many, many others and in the pipeline for the years to come.

So, I think the opportunity on the hotel side and on the real estate side is huge. And I almost don't want to limit myself by giving a specific -- a specific goal that with the potential there is enormous.

In terms of my own business I really feel like it's in its infancy and I'm just getting started. I am creating product in many categories that has been very well received, that I'm deeply proud of. And I'm looking forward to other opportunities and in other categories and in international markets too to grow that brand.

Of course, my most important priority my family is growing and hopefully will continue to grow.

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HARLOW: Congratulations. You are five months pregnant.

TRUMP: I'm five months pregnant.

HARLOW: It's a third.

TRUMP: So, it's a -- with my third.

HARLOW: Congratulations.

TRUMP: So, it's an amazing time and it's an exciting time for me in my personal life as well. So, I feel incredibly blessed, incredibly fortunate that I'm so happy personally and professionally. And I hope that always continuous.

HARLOW: You are very good friends with Chelsea Clinton and she gave a recent interview and she said quote "I love Ivanka." And she said that both of your parents running potentially against each other in general election has not affected your friendship. How do you guys navigate that, do not talk politics, do you talk kids?

TRUMP: We -- it has not been an issue for us. I have a great respect for her, she's been a great friend to me, I've been a great friend to her. So, you know, the politics of our parents is not relevant to our friendship.

HARLOW: You said something, you wrote something rather, that really interested me. And what you said is you told the New York Times in 2013, there will always be people who will say I wouldn't be in this position were it not for my last name, and I don't disagree with them.

I wonder why that is because there are a lot of children of very successful people who have not accomplished as much as you've accomplished.

TRUMP: I think growing up with a very accomplished parent can either be one of the things. It can be either be debilitating and that you're so afraid that she won't measure up, that you never take those important first steps. Sometimes you just have to start and that's the scariest part.

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HARLOW: And that's what you expected but you don't even want to try.

TRUMP: But you don't even to. So, I've seen people almost paralyzed by a fear of failure. In the early years with failures almost expected. When you're not supposed to really know how to do it. where you're supposed to be trying new things failing, succeeding, and discovering the right path for yourself.

So, I've seen that side of the equation. Then I've seen other people who find that the pressure that the criticism and skepticism imposed upon them is motivating. And for me it was. I'm a competitive person, you know, the more people that dismissed me or underestimated me, I think to the stronger and more embolden that I became.

So, I found, you know, today, I'm a lot less reactive to the opinions of others. I have a confidence level having achieved success. When I was younger I didn't have that confidence level. I was a college kid how could I? If I would have that would've been inappropriate.

So, I think I was more -- more responsive to that imposed pressure. And I think in a strange way it actually helped to push me forward.

HARLOW: Final question to you, I asked a lot of the women here at Fortune Most Powerful Women Summit and I sat down with a group of them after the Democratic debate last night. I know you watched. What did you make of the debate and who do you think would be the most formidable candidate against your father, who is leading still, in all of the Republican polls?

TRUMP: I thought the debate was excellent. I thought the debate was interesting to watch. So, I enjoyed watching. Like I said I'm a business person not a politician. So, I'll leave politics to other members of the family and the many, many people who are involved in the race on both sides. So, we'll see who emerges.

HARLOW: Ivanka Trump, thank you very much.

TRUMP: Thank you. (END VIDEOTAPE)

HARLOW: Ivanka Trump, thank you for that. When we come back he risked his life to try to save his classmates, and now the Oregon shooting hero, Chris Mintz is recounting for the first time haunting details from that deadly day.

[15:40:01] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARLOW: New information today in that deadly shooting at a college in Oregon, where eight students and one professor were killed. Nine others were injured including army veteran Chris Mintz. He is being hailed as a hero. And today, he is speaking out for the first time about the events of that tragic day, and asking a question that may never be answered.

Our Nick Valencia has more. Hi, Nick.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Poppy, it is a stunning account, for the first time we are hearing from Chris Mintz in his own words on what happened the day of the shooting.

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CHRIS MINTZ, OREGON SHOOTING HERO: To dispatch a many ambulance as possible to the (Inaudible) We have a 20 victims.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VALENCIA: Chilling new details in the Oregon Community College massacre from shooting survivor, Chris Mintz, the army veteran who's been called a hero for protecting others.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MINTZ: We exchange shots with him, he's in the classroom.

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VALENCIA: In a Facebook posting Mintz recalled the day that he says started out as normal, but quickly descended into chaos. He writes "There was a bunch of yelling and that there were gunshots going off that sounded like firecrackers." Mintz, who says he sat in the front of the class says everyone got up and took off.

"I stopped and held the door open and waited for everyone to leave safely," he writes. He then says he took direction from a counselor that kept screaming someone needed to tell the people in the library and I told her I do it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody is our side one of the doors, leading through the doors.

(END VIDEO CLIP) [15:45:03] VALENCIA: Mintz writes that he made his way back into the classroom area where he came face-to-face with the gunman. "He leaned out and started shooting as I turned toward him," he recalled. This is how he describe the shooter. "He was so nonchalant that would all like he was playing a videogame and showed no emotion."

Mintz says the shots "Knocked me to the ground and felt like a truck hit me." He then says he was shot again while on the ground and that the gunmen said "That's what you get for calling the cops."

Mintz writes in the Facebook post that he told the gunman that he didn't call police and they were already on the way. He then yelled to the gunman "It's my kids' birthday, man." Mintz says "The shooter pointed the gun right at my face and then retreated back into the classroom."

MINTZ: Hello, everyone. I'm doing well.

VALENCIA: A friend posted this video of Mintz in the hospital. He since been released and has this lingering question. "I'm still confused at why he didn't shoot me again."

Mintz said that he decided to post on Facebook because he didn't want to do any on camera interviews. He said this is not about publicity. In fact, he doesn't like being called a hero. He said, that word should be reserved for the first responders. Poppy.

HARLOW: Wow. Nick Valencia, thank you. Up next, the hit series "Homeland" gets a real life shocked. But first, meet one of CNN's heroes of 2015, Richard Joyner is the pastor of a small North Carolina town and church where the nearest grocery store is 10 miles away.

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RICHARD JOYNER, CNN HEROES OF 2015: So, I myself was hearing that we are food desert, we were chronically eerie we're dying and then we found out that growing food calls us to work together. So, it gave us the opportunity to create something that united us. And that we can feel good about.

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HARLOW: All right. And you can check out all of the top 10 heroes, vote for your favorite at cnnheroes.com. The winner will be announce next month.

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HARLOW: Graffiti artist hired to make the set of the show time Spy hit series "Homeland" more authentic used the gate spray paint the number of subversive or subversive, I should say messages in Arabic, including one that called the show racist.

Our Ian Lee reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "Homeland" has been hijacked by graffiti, the Showtime series hired street artist to give their set of a Syrian refugee camp a more authentic feel. But they flip the script. Tagging things like "Homeland" is racist and "Homeland" is a joke but we aren't laughing. Here it says "Homeland" is a watermelon.

HEBA AMIN, EGYPTIAN ARTIST: When you say something is "batir" (ph) or something is watermelon, you're basically saying it's a sham, it's a joke, it's a joke it's not to be taken seriously.

LEE: Egyptian Heba Amin was one of the artist involved. When they realize nobody from the show was double checking they took creative license.

AMIN: Well, in previous, you know, seasons they had many, many mistakes in regards to cultural references and in regards to language. So, it seems that they don't have a thorough research team.

LEE: The series which follows CIA agent, Carrie Mathison, played by actress Claire Danes has been criticized for distorting the Middle East. Countries even threatened to sue.