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Pope Francis to Address World Leaders at U.N.; Poll: Trump and Sanders on Top in New Hampshire; Trump and FOX News CEO to Meet Next Week. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired September 25, 2015 - 06:30   ET

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[06:32:54] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to NEW DAY.

This is the time, this is the place. The United Nations will host the biggest gathering of world leaders in its 70-year history. Pope Francis sees the biggest problems of the world having both their source and solution before him. What will he say? And how does he and the Vatican feel about all the security that may keep Pope Francis from his favorite thing, mixing with the people?

Big questions. We have a man who can give us answers. Greg Burke, the Vatican senior adviser for communications joins us this morning.

It is good to have you with us, sir.

GREG BURKE, VATICAN SENIOR ADVISER FOR COMMUNICATIONS: Chris, good to be here.

CUOMO: So let's deal with the obvious first: 78 years old. This schedule has been crushing those of us who are just covering it. The energy that Pope Francis has shown, the agenda, are you surprised by his resilience thus far?

BURKE: I am surprised because as you know, Cuba was pretty intense and quite hot as well. Pope is 78, almost 79. I think he does get energized as well -- he gets energized by the people. That, as you said correctly, is where he most likes to be.

He really does like mixing it up with people. The rest he does. I think he realizes that this is providential. He is supposed to be here. So, he will do the pomp and circumstance as well.

Well, not all of it. That which he can avoid, he does. But he does get energized by the people and especially I think you noticed, whenever he sees somebody who is sick, hurting in some way suffering, giving some consolation to them, he loves that.

CUOMO: My mother says, it's the power of the Holy Spirit that is motivating Pope Francis, helping him with his sciatica, getting him around this schedule that would crush the rest of us and actually is.

But then there becomes a conflict, Pope Francis, as you said, loves to be hands-on, wants the people to know he is one of them, a missionary of mercy, he said. Not in New York City. The security is heavy. The Vatican knows that. The Vatican had to be approving of it.

Tell us about the situation because there's a suggestion of tension.

BURKE: Well, it's complicated. It's always a tug of war.

[06:35:00] I think it was a tug of war even from the start even in the Vatican when Pope Francis was named. He obviously doesn't like even the security that I see among ambassadors. You see American ambassadors in difficult places and they're like totally surrounded by security. He doesn't like that feel. He wants to be able to get to the people.

It's interesting what all the excitement you saw yesterday with greeting people, we see that every Wednesday in the Vatican in the general audiences. He greets a number of people from the Jeep and then all the sick people afterward. Those people just have one security check and they're in the gate.

Obviously, New York City is a whole different story. I was thinking about it yesterday. The pope is saying build bridges, not walls. There were all sorts of walls and barriers going up. Obviously not -- you know, but it is the duty of the host country, the Vatican works around with that and we find a middle way.

CUOMO: So we know you're in close contact with the Holy Father. We hear that he has been a little blown away by this trip so far, the way the people are coming out, the way the message seems to be received.

And do you think there's a chance he might go rogue today on us and hop out of that Jeep and try and get some of the beloved contact with people?

BURKE: I don't think it's likely he'll go rogue. I think go rogue in terms of what the Secret Service will let him do, OK, and what his own people will let him do. I think whenever --

CUOMO: Who's going to put a hand on Pope Francis? What are they going to do, grab him by the arm? He's going to go wherever he wants.

BURKE: That's a good point. I don't think anyone will put a hand on Pope Francis.

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CUOMO: And is it true that he has really been moved by the response here, in Congress and among the faithful? And those who are nonbelievers but just excited by his message and the man himself?

BURKE: You know, this is new to the pope. The United States is new to the pope. Crowds are not. Big crowds are not.

But, obviously, this is a whole different level. This is a whole different level when you come to the United States, when you come to New York City and certainly he is taken by it. I think very happy with it and very happy, above all, that people are listening to the message.

You know, the pope always has a microphone, a big pulpit. The question is whether or not people are listening. But I think what you sense on this trip, people are, as you say, not only Catholics. It's been a huge boost for the Catholic Church, the pope recognizing, the president recognizing the good it's done in this country.

But also, just a lot of people of goodwill out there, hearing the pope and wanting to hear the pope and seeing what his message is.

CUOMO: You don't have to believe to receive his message is what people keep saying to us, when we're trying to explain the impact.

So, we understand that he's tailored each message specifically to whom he is addressing and what he wants to accomplish, many irons in the fire here. What can we expect at the U.N. this morning?

BURKE: At the U.N., I think, if you look, he gives a State of the Union Address each year to ambassadors, a look around the world. You'll get something very similar to that. There are a few themes which obviously, he's -- which are very close to his heart, wealth and poverty, development. How we change, how we change the course of things there. Immigration and migration, a problem not only in this country but in Europe and much of the world with the south of the world moving north. And, of course, climate change.

I think we'll hear all three of those and some other things as well.

CUOMO: All right. I like you keeping it a little bit of a mystery there what the message will be. But thank you for the details and the insight on how the trip is going so far. Hope to have you back soon, Mr. Burke. Appreciate it.

BURKE: Thank you, Chris.

CUOMO: All right. And here's a little bit of other new information for you. Yes, three other popes have spoken to the U.N., however, there will be a first, not just this man, not just this moment, the Vatican flag will be raised at the U.N. for the first time.

It's a big deal. You have to be a permanent member. However, here's a little bit of irony. The reason the Vatican flag will be up is because Palestine had lobbied very hard to have their flag put up. They are not a permanent member. The resolution was passed by the U.N. if Palestine's flag can be out, other nonpermanent members, the Vatican is an observer by U.N. standards. The flag will be up today.

So, please stay with us throughout the day. We'll have coverage of all the major events. We're going to have the pope's arrival at the U.N. That's always something to see, how he's received, how he acts in that moment. CNN will cover the address live.

Tomorrow, we're going to have a special weekend edition of NEW DAY from Philadelphia. Remember, that was the target city for Pope Francis. That's where his big Council on the Family was.

Stay with us for all of that this morning and beyond.

Mick?

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: And a lot of lives will be touched in Philadelphia, crowds and crowds, throngs will be there to welcome him to the City of Brotherly Love. Thanks so much, Chris.

[06:40:00] Well, they say breaking up is hard to do.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: I've heard that.

PEREIRA: You've heard that before.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

PEREIRA: It seems like it's not tough for Donald Trump, not when it comes to FOX News at least. They are feuding again. Will the GOP front-runner and the head of the network be able to mend fences one more time? We'll take a look.

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PEREIRA: Pope Francis is less than two hours from arriving at the United Nations where he is set to speak to the U.N. General Assembly. Some big issues he's expected to tackle is Europe's migrant crisis and climate change. During his second in New York, the pope will also visit the September 11th Memorial and Museum, he will meet with families who lost loved ones that day. This afternoon he travels to a school in East Harlem before celebrating mass at Madison Square Garden tonight.

CAMEROTA: Donald Trump on top in the latest New Hampshire polls. But he may be hearing footsteps. A new CNN/WMUR poll has Trump with a ten-point lead over Carly Fiorina. Senator Marco Rubio moving into third place and Dr. Ben Carson slipping to fourth.

On the Democratic side, look at this, Bernie Sanders has a commanding 16-point edge over Hillary Clinton.

[06:45:00] PEREIRA: The shooting of a man in a wheelchair by police in Wilmington, Delaware, is sparking controversy. It was captured on video. We warn you. It is upsetting to see.

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POLICE: Hands up. Hands up. Put your hands up?

Put your hands up!

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PEREIRA: It began when state police responded to a call of a man who shot himself and was still armed. Police are heard obviously you heard it there saying drop the gun and hands up. The man, Jeremy McDole, did not comply. His mother says the shooting was unjust. Police say they engaged when McDole began to remove a weapon from his waistband.

CAMEROTA: A midair scare for passengers a aboard Cathy Pacific flight from Perth, Australia, to Hong Kong. The plane forced to make an emergency landing in Indonesia when an engine failed. One passenger says flames were streaming from a wing and it caused panic on board. The airline denies there was any fire. None of the 254 passengers was injured.

PEREIRA: My goodness, what a fright there.

CAMEROTA: Indeed.

PEREIRA: Back here in New York City, the New York Yankees honoring Hall of Fame legend Yogi Berra last night. It was the first home game since he passed away at the age of 90.

Coy Wire has this morning's "Bleacher Report." I understand there's a makeshift memorial there.

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. Good morning, Michaela and Alisyn. It was an emotional scene at Yankee Stadium last night. The quotable and captivating Yogi Berra was beloved by Yankee nation and baseball fans around the world. Before their game against the White Sox, the Yankees played a two-minute tribute video on the JumboTron, after that placed an eight shaped wreath behind home plate. It was followed by a heartfelt moment of reflection for a very special man.

Now, once the game got going, Carlos Beltran belted one into the bleachers for the go-ahead three-run homer. The play of the game, Quentin Valetto with the big catch and even bigger smile. Yankees win 3-2. They're three games back at the Blue Jays in the AL East.

Elsewhere in the New York metro area. The Giants trying not to go 0-3 playing Washington and Eli Manning finds Odell Beckham Jr. Oh my goodness! That extends the Giants lead in the fourth quarter. A nice catch and touchdown dance afterwards.

Not really sure what it is. But I'm feeling it. Manning was feeling it later in the fourth with his other deep threat. Rueben Randle with the hot potato, too hot to handle. He gets a juggling catch. Check out the focus. Giants win 32-21. They move to 1-2.

Alisyn, back to you.

CAMEROTA: OK. Coy, thanks so much for those highlights.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump and FOX News, what is the beef between these two? Our media experts give us the inside scoop, next.

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[06:51:51] CAMEROTA: Let's talk about what's going on with you and FOX News. Why are you in this spat with them?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: FOX News has not treated me fairly. And certain people have not. They have pundits on the show. I mean, one of them made a total fool of himself last night. He totally lost it. It looked like he was having a nervous breakdown on television and he used words that were so unbelievable, maybe he'll be fined or censured or thrown off --

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PEREIRA: My girl Alisyn talking with Donald Trump on NEW DAY yesterday about the feud between Donald Trump and FOX News.

There's a new twist in the spat, my friends. The Republican front-runner will meet with FOX News CEO Roger Ailes next week. Cease-fire? What are they going to say? What are they going to agree upon?

Here to discuss, CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter, host of "RELIABLE SOURCES", and CNN contributor Bill Carter, author of "The War for Late Night".

Right now it's the author of what is going to happen next in this saga. Oh, to be a fly on well in this conversation, Bill. What do you think will happen? The meeting?

BILL CARTER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: It seems like these two are -- I don't know, they break up, get back together, Archie and Veronica. But I think they need each other. That's what we keep seeing.

Ailes decides I can't take his criticism, Megyn Kelly, I have to stand up for my person. Trump can go elsewhere, he can be on CNN, NBC. I think Ailes sees the numbers go up every time he appears somewhere. He was on with Stephen Colbert, what happened? Numbers when way up.

But I think Trump needs to speak to that audience. That's his base.

PEREIRA: Sure. It is mutually beneficial for both of them but it's got to be frustrating for Roger Ailes because of that co- dependency almost.

BRIAN STELTER, RELIABLE SOURCES: Absolutely frustrating, especially when Trump is attacking his stars. He has been grooming Megyn Kelly. He used Megyn Kelly as one of the biggest future faces of the network, probably the most important face of the network in the future. Yet Trump keeps going after Kelly, criticizing Kelly on Twitter again this week. In fact, last night even tweeting trying to promote his poll rankings.

That's something that Ailes can't stand. That's why we're seeing this meeting. It is an unprecedented situation. We don't hear about the heads of NBC, or ABC or CBS meeting with Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

CARTER: Hillary Clinton could say I'm being treated unfairly. Trump feels like any time people slight him, he has to respond. As he responds he gets attention for responding and it creates a cycle.

PEREIRA: It's really a bizarre cycle.

I'm going to throw an alternative thought out there. Could this all be theater? Could this be akin to professional wrestling? Could it be that it's Trumped up a little bit for the effect of having all of this in the headlines and having pundits like yourselves here to talk about it.

STELTER: We know Trump has a history with WWE, we should mention that, many years ago.

CARTER: And he's very theatrical with. Everything is theatrical with him.

PEREIRA: Everything is. He's even said. "I'm an entertainer."

CARTER: Look, when he goes on new shows, he's on entertainment shows. So, he crosses before.

[06:55:01] But I don't think it's in Ailes' interest really to do this. For Trump, it's great. All publicity is great for him. He absorbs it all.

For Ailes, is it smart? It doesn't look good for Ailes now to be appealing back to Trump. We'll have a meeting with him.

PEREIRA: Let me play sound from Alisyn's interview with him. Alisyn asked him to sort of be reflective of himself. Can he take criticism well? Listen to this.

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CAMEROTA: Has "SNL" asked you to go on this season, would you consider it?

TRUMP: I'm not allowed to say that.

CAMEROTA: Oh, really, why is that?

TRUMP: Because I'm not allowed to say that.

CAMEROTA: Because -- you're in negotiations?

TRUMP: If I do something wrong, Alisyn, I have very thick skin. I don't mind being criticize. I'll never ever complain, because I know when I do something wrong. I'm a smart person. I do something wrong, I do things wrong. And when I do, I don't mind -- they can come at me 15 different ways.

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PEREIRA: We'll get to the "SNL" part in a second. We all have hard times seeing ourselves truly in the mirror for who we really are. Is he not seeing himself the way he's being perceived widely by many?

STELTER: I was going to actually, the counter argument, which is from the Trump perspective, you're sitting at home, watching FOX News, you're watching CNN.

PEREIRA: Sure.

STELTER: A couple of nights ago, Rich Lowery talks about Trump being --

CARTER: Castrated.

STELTER: -- castrated.

PEREIRA: Yes.

STELTER: This is where we are in this presidential campaign. That's the rhetoric we don't hear about other candidates.

CARTER: That's over the top.

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STELTER: From the Trump perspective, I think I have thick skin, too. Others might think I don't. That's true for everybody. We all have different impression than others do. For Trump, that might be magnified.

But I do think from his perspective, he is seen unfair coverage, even if you and I think it is fair.

CARTER: But he also reacts to stories that the audience wasn't full. There are pictures that the audience wasn't full. Why do that? That indicates that he just reacts to every slight and he doesn't need to do that?

PEREIRA: Well, reacting to slight is going to be interesting. We know "SN" will have a heyday with him.

In fact, we already know Taran Killam is going to play Trump on "SNL."

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CARTER: He goes with and he looks like a good sports. That plays very well.

PEREIRA: Do you think he'll show up on the show?

STELTER: I would guarantee you right now. He'll be on the season opener. I think that's some of the news Alisyn broke yesterday that clearly there's negotiations going on..

PEREIRA: It's better without saying it.

STELTER: I mean, when is Trump ever silent? He actually didn't talk about it.

CARTER: No way Loren Michaels misses this situation. He's been host of the show, he's been on the show. He's connecting to the show.

PEREIRA: Sure, the pavement has been set, I would say.

All right. Bill, Brian, thanks so much as always. Our Trump dose for today.

We're following a lot of news. Let's get right to it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The pope of the Holy See.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The show the United States has put on so far has certainly takes the cake.

CUOMO: The largest gathering of world leaders in the U.N.'s 70- year history.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The pope has sniffed out, but this is extraordinarily polarized situation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hope that we reflect on his call to serve the common good.

CAMEROTA: The Trump/Rubio feud intensifying.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's very thin-skinned obviously. He's very sensitive to criticism.

CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You have to be able to take criticism.

TRUMP: If I do something wrong, Alisyn, I have thick skin. I don't mind being criticized.

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

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CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. Alisyn and Michaela are in studio in New York as you see.

We're at the United Nations. The most world leaders ever in attendance will be today. They will be here for Pope Francis.

He's expected to address urgent issues like Europe's migrant crisis, the war in Syria and specifically climate change. This is just the first stop for the Holy Father. He has a packed a day ahead of him. My mother said it must be the Holy Spirit giving the 78-year- old such energy.

He's going to crisscross New York City. He'll be at the 9/11 memorial, meeting with families of victims. He's going to meet with students a Harlem School to show his devotion for the least fortunate as an instruction to others.

And then he's going to lead a procession through central park and celebrate mass at Madison Square Garden tonight. Just a rigorous schedule by definition, and the impact obvious from his efforts.

When he came to the Big Apple last night, he was just a rock star times 20. Not just because of the man but the message as he went blessing crowds along New York's fifth avenue and then led evening prayers at St. Patrick's Cathedral, one of the hottest tickets in the history of this city.

So, let's begin our coverage with chief national correspondent, Jim Sciutto, is here with us at this U.N.

And we grew up in this city but to see it like this, something different.

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: No question. This is the largest gathering of world leaders in the U.N. building behind me. As you said, Chris, the largest gathering of world leaders in the U.N. history, as you said. They will all be here, the American president, the Iranian president, the Russian president.

And this pope will have a tough message for them. But this is New York City, his audience not just the world, no question but New York, New Yorkers, this pope will not leave this city without a chance to connect with them.