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More Migrants Break Out of Hungarian Holding Camps, Walk Towards Border; New Details In Hung for El Chapo; Europe Announces New Refugee Policy, Receives Backlash from Some; North Korean Leader Has Firm Grip on Power. Aired 8:00a-9:00a ET

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[08:00:00] MANISHA TANK, HOST: My name is Manisha Tank. This is News Stream. A warm welcome to you.

Germany's chancellor supports quotas to resettle refugees in Europe, but other leaders object to that plan. Recovering the story from southern

Europe to Berlin.

Plus, a North Korea defector sheds light on life inside the hermit kingdom. Find out why he believes Kim Jong-un's days are numbered.

And new details in the hunt for a drug kingpin. Police hope a new photo leads them to El Chapo.

We're now hearing the staggering new prediction concerning the influx of people trying to reach Europe from places such as Syria. The UN refugee

agency expects the number of refugees fleeing across the Mediterranean to hit 400,000 this year. That quote from the Reuters news agency.

Earlier a spokeswoman for the UNHCR said Europe needs a guaranteed relocation system for 200,000 Syrians. Reuters also reports that the

European commission plans to relocate 160,000 people in country by country quotas. The leaders of Slovakia and the Czech Republic say they never

agreed to such a system.

A short time ago, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she's optimistic a solution can be found.

Well, many of the people seeking a new home in Europe are fleeing the war in Syria. Their journey can go through Turkey, then across the sea to

Greece. The United Nations says nearly 245,000 people have arrived in Greece alone this year. The journey continues through the Balkans to

Hungary.

Reaching Hungary is critical as it's part of the European Union's passport free zone. That gives migrants easier access to Europe's

wealthier nations like Austria and Germany, for example. but some people are getting stuck at the border between Serbia and Hungary.

One location in particular along that frontier that has seen clashes between -- has seen clashes between exhausted migrants and police. CNN's

Arwa Damon has been following that story from there. We can join her now at the Serbian-Hungarian border.

Arwa, what have you been seeing today?

ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: No, I'm -- a breakout from the holding area in the field. These are all people that just managed

to break out. And they have been running now for about the last half hour. And they have been running through the sunflower seeds -- the sunflower

fields, the corn fields. They are very afraid, because as you can see there, they're noticing that the police are over to the side. We've been

hearing sirens.

The groups with the children, the groups with the children are the ones that are falling behind. And that's why you see them coming up along

the end.

TANK: OK, so just to put you in the picture there, that is Arwa Damon and our team. And they are right on that border between Serbia and

Hungary. Police have been trying to restrain these migrants, been trying to stop them getting to -- getting across that border, getting to other

camps. But they've been unable to do that and these frustrated migrants, they've been on the move for some time. They have been pushing their way

through.

Now that earlier today led to clashes, sort of very dramatic scenes from there.

You can understand the desperation of many of these migrants, some of them fleeing the war in Syria. They have been journeying in really

perilous circumstances, some of them, for some time. Many families with children, a lot of frustration building up, many people trying to

understand why they are not getting more support from the European Union.

So, let's take it back to Arwa and the team. You know, Arwa, I was just saying that a lot of these people so frustrated that they're not

getting more support. Today, you saw those dramatic scenes. Tell us what's happening now.

[08:04:44] DAMON: Well, these dramatic scenes are unfolding. These people literally walking their way through (inaudible) together having

realized that people traveling with the smaller children were not able to keep up.

They believe that it will be safety in numbers for them as they try to make their way, hoping that the police will not catch them, will not try to

stop them.

What prompted this breakout was people simply being fed up with the wait, fed up with the conditions that they were having to wait in. And you

see parents there really struggling with the kids, some of the elderly also part of the group that did make a run for it at this stage. But this is

just another example of one of the many desperate acts that we have been seeing as we have been covering this crisis for the last few weeks.

People reach such a point where they physically, emotionally, mentally can't take it any more. And so they eventually deciding to take matters

into their own hands. In some cases it's getting up and walking, in some cases like this it's breaking out of that camp, literally pushing their way

through the lines of police and now making a run for it.

TANK: OK, many of those people trying to get to safety, trying to find supplies. I'm not entirely sure whether Arwa can hear us. Arwa, if

you can, where is it these people are going?

DAMON: Well, they are hoping to eventually somehow -- they're not entirely sure how at this stage, since this was not a coordinated effort --

but eventually they do want to get to western Europe, Germany, that is their main goal.

Right now, the short-term, and perhaps more achievable goal, is to somehow get to Budapest or get to a main road, maybe try to get

transportation. A lot of them have already heard about how other groups have broken out of the various transit camps who are here. Five days

you've been waiting there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

DAMON: So, you can see people are very frustrated because they have been waiting for as these men were saying five days. We've spoken to

families who also have been waiting for three, four days. And the nights are bitterly cold. And that is all lending itself to their frustration

that then caused these people to try to leave.

They do hope that eventually if they do get to Budapest, they'll be able to catch a bus, a train. They do hope the police -- and we were

hearing the sirens earlier in the distance -- will not somehow try to stop them. They're very afraid of that at this stage.

TANK: OK, Arwa, thanks very much for that. Very dramatic scene that you've witnessed today. And just, you know, for taking us out there to see

them on that journey really moving stuff. Thank you very much to you and the rest of the team. Just imagine many of those people, those backpacks

are just filled with everything that they own right now.

So, three months ago a proposal to relocate 40,000 refugees was blocked. Now Reuters reports that the European commission has a plan for

160,000 people to be relocated in Europe by quota.

So the countries that you see here in red, they will be called upon to do the most. But there is a way for countries to not take part. They can

buy their way out by paying a percentage of their GDP. The plan is to be unveiled on Wednesday.

So far, the Czech Republic and Slovakia have rejected the plan saying help and cooperation should be voluntary. Germany, in the meantime, has

offered to take in hundreds of thousands of refugees and says all of Europe needs to its part.

Let's talk more about that now with our senior international correspondent Atika Shubert. She is in Berlin. And Angela Merkel spoke

about this and talked about the idea that there needs to be more cohesion in Europe, otherwise really this European model is broken.

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, exactly. Germany is saying it's doing its part, but it needs more help.

I'm right now at a refugee shelter still under construction actually, so you might see quite a bit of construction moving around in the

background, but these are the kinds of temporary homes that Germany says it is building. In fact, Germany says it needs 150,000 spaces like this. A

temporary home shelter like this, basically made out of shipping containers, can house up to 200 people. And there's already some people

living inside. We've met a Syrian mother and several -- there's also Iraqi families, and families of Albania here. And it's precisely because Germany

is preparing like this that so many people want to come.

But as the chancellor pointed out in her press conference earlier, Germany cannot do it alone. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANGELA MERKEL, GERMAN CHANCELLOR (through translator): We really need to discuss about a joint and overarching asylum policy. And we, Sweden and

Germany, are of the view that binding quota actually ought to be applied so that refugees can be fairly distributed to the European member states.

Unfortunately, we are a long way off this target. And we are of the view that something needs to be changed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[08:10:13] SHUBERT: Now, take into consideration here that Germany has said that it will accept and process 800,000 applications for asylum

status here in Germany. Meanwhile, the UK and France, for example, have said they will increase their numbers. I believe the UK saying as much as

20,000 being accepted there over the next few years.

Well, consider this, in the last two or three days that's about how many people have actually come into Germany in the last -- by train,

walking across the border, more than 20,000 people over the weekend. So clearly there is a need for more numbers throughout the EU.

TANK: OK, Atika, live in Berlin. Thank you very much for that.

And earlier, I spoke with Peter Sutherland. He is the UN special representative for migration. We spoke about Europe's handling of the

situation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PETER SUTHERLAND, UN SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR MIGRATIN: The member states are the problem, not Brussels, or at least some of them. We were

talking here for one thing for some of the countries in central and Eastern Europe, some of whom have even said that they will only take Christian

refugees, which runs counter to the very principles of humanitarian action, which should be based on the dignity of the human person, rather than their

race.

This is unacceptable.

A second point I would like to make is this, and this is very important, all over the world there is understandable frustration with the

incoherence and incomplete nature of the European response where all of -- or substantial numbers arrive in Greece and Italy and are deposited there

having been saved in the Mediterranean by ships from all over Europe and then left to Italy and Greece to handle. This is all incoherent and

unsatisfactory.

But it also has to be said that the definition of responsibility for migrants and for refugees isn't based on proximity. Lebanon, Turkey and

Jordan and closest to Syria and carry between them millions of refugees. Europe is next. But this is a global problem. And there are whole swaths

of the world who are not taking a responsibility for this. Virtually no refugees have been accepted in the Middle East.

There are countries in the Middle East who say they have never signed the convention to protect refugees. That is irrelevant. Forget about

conventions. This is a question of humanitarian response.

When the Vietnamese boat people issue arose, all over the world responsibility was taken. And now, we need, and we need to convene a

meeting of some kind to get on the table the offers, financial and in terms of taking refugees, from every part of the world. North America, Latin

America, and Asia. This is not just a problem for those who are located closest to the problem.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANK: Peter Sutherland there speaking to me earlier. You can hear more of that interview later this hour.

Also ahead, David Cameron reveals bold new tactics by the British military in Syria. Plus, the pontiff's latest push for reform at The

Vatican. Find out how the church plans to change its marriage annulment process.

And son has surpassed father in the world's most reclusive state, a defector of the North Korea regime tells us how Kim Jong-un's brutal

tactics have helped him lock down loyalty among the country's elite.

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[08:15:55] TANK: You're watching News Stream. And you're looking at a visual version of all the stories we've got in the show today.

We've already told you about the UN's appeal to Europe to find homes for 200,000 Syrian refugees. And later, police in Mexico hope a new

digital clue will bring them to the hideout of Mexico's notorious El Chapo.

But now, dramatic action by the United Kingdom and its fight against ISIS. British Prime Minister David Cameron says two UK nationals were

killed by a drone strike in Syria last month.

Well, this move is unprecedented. The UK's first targeted drone attack on British citizens in Syria.

Our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson is following the story from London and he joins me now.

And Nic, if you've watched that address in parliament, you get the feeling that David Cameron is trying to set us up for what's -- the fact

that there might be a lot more of this to come.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's certainly the position he's taking. And that's certainly what we heard from the Defense

Minister Michael Fallon speaking this morning. The defense minister said if this situation does arise again, then there will be more strikes. The

British government believes that it has a legal basis for this, this is being questioned by human rights lawyers and others in the opposition to

the government here. But the government believes it took the correct legal action. They'd have taken this issue to the attorney general, got his

guidance on it.

Reyaad Khan and Ruhul Amin were hit, struck in a vehicle by a Reaper drone, a missile fired from a Reaper drone on the 21st of August. The

British government said that between them -- and these are two young ISIS members from Britain -- one from Cardiff, one from Aberdeen in Scotland -0-

who had taken part in an ISIS propaganda video, both had tried to recruit other young Britons to come to Syria to join the ISIS fight, both had

spurred them on to attacks in the future.

The government believed that the only way to act here in defense of national security was to strike at Reyaad Khan in the vehicle, that because

of what he was engaged in plotting and planning attacks against Britain, the only way they say to disrupt those attacks was to target him. And this

does very much seem to be setting the course for more robust action in Britain and also setting the track potentially for a vote here in London in

parliament on what sort of action Britain should take in Syria in the future. Should it join the United States and get involved in aircraft,

manned aircraft, making bombing runs in Syria? At the moment that's limited to Iraq -- Manisha.

TANK: OK, Nic, thanks very much for that. The update on what's been happening over there. Nic Robertson in London.

The Vatican is going to simplify the process for Catholics who want to annul their marriages. Pope Francis has criticized the current system

saying it's burdensome. The new system will be faster and easier and free, except for a fee to cover administrative costs.

The move is part of the pope's push for the Catholic church to be more welcoming and merciful.

You're watching News Stream. Still to come on this program, an inside look at North Korea. How firm is Kim Jong-un's grip on power? A North

Korean defector spoke exclusively to CNN.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[08:23:00] TANK: China's leaders have gathered for a ceremony marking the 50th anniversary of the founding of the Tibet autonomous region.

It's being held at the Portla Palace (ph) in Lhasa. Despite scenes such as this, though, not all are celebrating the occasion. The Tibetan

government in exile says there's nothing to celebrate. It said the region is still under occupation and that the people are brutally repressed.

For the tens of thousands of families separated by the Korean War, a rare chance has come up for a select few to see each other briefly. North

and South Korea have agreed to let 100 people from each side reunite over six days. This will be the first such meeting since February 2014. The

south will hold a lottery to decide who gets to attend while it's unclear how the north will chose its participants.

Despite a recent clash with South Korea and a snub from China, a defector linked to North Korea's elite says leader Kim Jong-un remains

firmly in power. We're told Kim's brutality has incited fear amongst his inner circle. Kyung Lah has the story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KYUNG LAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To the outside world Kim Jong-un appears overly young at times a caricature. But

to his people, there is little doubt about their dictator's capacity, says this North Korean defector.

"They are terrified," he says. "The fear grows more intense every day."

Fear that drove this defector to dare the harrowing escape out of North Korea. He agreed to speak with us only if we completely hid him in

the shadows and altered his voice.

This defector, who worked among Pyongyang's elite, fears the regime would murder his family trapped in the North or hunt him down. But he wants

the Western world to know what life under Kim Jong-un is really like.

(On camera): Do you think he's more of a tyrant than his father?

(Voice-over): Kim Jong-il didn't kill people in his circle, he says, but Kim Jong-un killed many of his own. Purging close advisers like his own

uncle Chang Song-thaek. His former right-hand man, executed.

"After that, I thought I need to hurry up and leave this hell on earth."

(On camera): Is that how it feels like in North Korea? Hell on earth?

(Voice-over): "Yes, of course."

(On camera): You see these crowds cheering and crying as Kim Jong-un approaches. Do they believe it?

(Voice-over): "It's blind worship. They're programmed to clap and cheer when they see Kim Jong-un on TV, but in my personal opinion, upper

class elites don't believe it."

(On camera): This number is quite high.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quite high.

LAH (voice-over): Seoul National University interviewed 146 North Koreans who defected in 2014. The most extensive research conducted with

recent defectors. The defectors perceive internal support was highest in 2012 when Kim Jong-un took control but they believe that support has

steadily dropped during his reign.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New leader.

LAH (on camera): New leader.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New leader.

LAH (voice-over): Can the new leader earn trust from his elites after the purges, he asks. They could be feeling anxious. Their loyalty weakened.

It's already happening, believes this defector.

"I can tell you for sure, upper class North Koreans don't trust Kim Jong-un."

(On camera): Do you see the regime lasting?

(Voice-over): "There is no collapse of North Korea while Kim Jong-un is alive," says this defector. "North Korea will not collapse as long as

Kim Jong-un lives."

Kyung Lah, CNN, Seoul.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TANK: To Myanmar now where the opposition Aung San Suu Kyi has kicked off the country's election campaign with an appeal to the world. The Nobel

laureate is urging the global community to closely monitor the vote, which she calls a crucial turning point for Myanmar. For some, it will be their

first time voting in the general election since military rule ended.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

AUNG SAN SUU KYI, MYANMAR OPPOSITION LEADER: For the first time in decades, our people will have a real chance of bringing about real change.

This is a chance that we cannot afford to let slip. We hope that whole world understands how important it is for us to have free and fair

elections, and to make sure that the results of such elections are respected by all concerned.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANK: The vote is set for November 8 after the legislative election, a president is to be selected by parliament. Suu Kyi is barred from

running for that post.

The constitution written by the military forbids anyone married to a foreigner to become president. Suu Kyi's late husband was British.

Still ahead here on News Stream, Europe continues to confront its worst refugee crisis since the Second World War. You'll hear the second

part of my interview with the UN special representative for migration the solution and the real problem.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[08:30:31] TANK: Hello, again. I'm Manisha Tank in Hong Kong. And you're watching News Stream. These are your world headlines right now.

We've been watching a dramatic scene play out along the Serbian- Hungarian border. This is where a number of migrant and refugee families who have been stuck at holding points have now broken through police lines

and are walking through fields as police pursue them on foot. CNN's Arwa Damon is right in the middle of the situation and we'll bring you an update

from her in just a moment.

North and South Korea have agreed to allow 100 family members from each side to reunite briefly. The meetings are set to be held over the

next six days -- over six days and next month. And it will be the first such event since February 2014. It's part of a deal struck between the two

Koreas to end last month's military standoff.

The Vatican is simplifying the process for annulling a marriage between two Catholics. Pope Francis calls current procedures too

cumbersome. So, under the new system, Bishops will be able to fast track annulments in some instances, and the process will be free, except for a

small administrative fee.

Grammy winner Sam Smith has announced that he will be singing the next theme song for the next Bond Movie Specter. In a Tweet, he called it one

of the highlights of his career. The song is called "Writings on the Wall" and it will be the first Bond theme song that's recorded by a British male

solo artist since 1965.

So, let's return to my conversation with Peter Sutherland -- well we will momentarily. But we're going to go first go to Arwa Damon. Arwa is

on that border between Serbia and Hungary where we've seen dramatic scenes today. Hopefully Arwa can hear us and the team is ready.

But they have been with crowds people who are trying to make their way out of these holding points. Arwa, just tell us about what we've been

witnessing in the last couple of hours.

DAMON: Well, this crowd -- and we're at the tail end of it right now -- just staged a breakout from the holding area that is right along the

Hungarian-Serbian border. It's the holding point for these people when they come across. And it happened very suddenly. It was not organized.

It was not coordinated. One group got out and then everybody else began to follow them.

They ran through the corn field, through the sunflower fields. The police have now managed to catch up to them, but they are a fairly large

group, hundreds of them, in fact.

A lot of them carrying children, really struggling to try to get across -- I don't know if you want to try to get up on that track.

Is it?

No.

(SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

Oh, we're just going to try to get over or through here to give you a bit of a better sense of what's going on, because this is where everyone

has come through at this stage. Right along these train tracks.

No one really knows exactly where they are going at this stage. They just want to get as far away as possible. But as you can see, I mean, the

police is very close to them. And on the road we did manage to see some more police as well. So they are understandably quite (inaudible) actually

finally manage to break through. But that was quickly coupled with quite a lot of concern -- they don't want to be -- a couple quite a lot of concern

right now, because the police have closed in and they really don't want to be caught. They don't want to end up in those camps. They've all heard

nightmare stories about the conditions there.

They all broke out of holdings areas that they were in because they were simply fed up. They couldn't take it anymore. They couldn't take

waiting for the buses to arrive. They couldn't take the conditions as they were having to live in. They couldn't take the lack of communication about

what was happening to them, where they were supposed to go, how they were supposed to keep moving.

And these are people who have already been on the road for two, three, four weeks if not longer. So they really just want to get to Germany.

They want to get to western Europe. They've been hearing the reception that people are receiving at the hands of the Germans. They know that they

will be welcome there.

They've been through so much in their homelands. Most of them are refugees from the wars of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. And they just want

a chance to build a future, any future and right now it seems as if the police might have actually blocked them off, or boxed them in right here on

this train track.

[08:35:28] TANK: Arwa, what is the purpose, the police officers that are blocking them off. Why are they blocking them? I mean, these are

migrants, some of them refugees, trying -- they're fleeing wars. What is it the police are trying to achieve here? Perhaps we've lost the signal

actually.

Of course, the team there very much on the move, so you know, these signals are quite difficult. If we could check in with Arwa again, we

will. But very dramatic scenes playing out there on that border.

Still to come here on News Stream, the UN special representative for migration says some countries are failing to help these refugees.

You know, we've seen those dramatic images today. We now see you see from these pictures what the situation is.

We're going to have more of that candid conversation with Peter Sutherland coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANK: So, let's return to that conversation I had with Peter Sutherland, the United Nations special representative for migration. He

has praised some European countries for their call to action, but questions why it had to come so late.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SUTHERLAND: I think it can be said that certainly a certain leadership cadre have woken up. I would include in that group Germany and

France, the European commission, Sweden, Austria and a couple of other countries -- Italy in particular and Greece who are taking huge numbers.

But there is not yet a united position or anything like it. And for Europe to play its role, there has to be a united position.

But some do not even accept the basic principle of fairly sharing the huge number of refugees across the European Union, as a result of which

five countries currently take 72 percent of the total number of refugees in Europe. That's unsustainable.

TANK: And given the amount of work the UN has done in warning all of these countries that this migrant crisis, this refugee crisis was on its

way, how frustrating is it that there are many countries that still don't seem to want to know?

SUTHERLAND: It's absolutely frustrating. It's also frustrating to say that the dreadful photograph, which we all saw over the last days of a

dying -- in fact a dead infant on a beach -- was taken to galvanize action. One needs to point out that we have been talking, of the thousands who have

been dying, including many children, over the last five years why is it that policy is being made only as a result of this appalling tragedy where

positions have been changed?

We need sustained effort.

TANK: Clearly, the migrant crisis, the refugee crisis, this is not just a local problem, this is a global problem. And so many look to global

agencies to help them solve that global problem. Is the United Nations equipped to do that? Are countries ready to work with the UN to make that

happen?

SUTHERLAND: The UN is working with it. It's doing stellar work, particularly UN hates (inaudible). But yesterday, the high commissioner

for refugees Antonio Guterres said that they are virtually broke financially.

The same could be said for UNESCO and other organizations who are stretched to breaking point in terms of providing the support that they do.

UNHCR needs more support.

Now we've had more evidence of financial support in the last days. This is Merkel's very generous figures in terms of support. The British

government has also mentioned at the support of (inaudible). This is something which must be part of this convocation, which will require people

to stand up and be counted.

And the number of refugees they're taking and the amount of the financial contribution that they make.

The interesting thing about where we are today is that it is the people's reaction to the horror that they saw on their television and in

their newspapers, that is driving, in many instances, not all, the political class to provide now the leadership that should have been

provided earlier.

So we've had increases in numbers that people are prepared to take and so on.

But for the photograph, would that have happened? One has to doubt it, because one has been asking for this support for months. One has been

talking about children dying for months, for years.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TANK: That was Peter Sutherland, the UN special representative for migration. He praised Germany and Sweden in particular for the help that

they are offering.

And you can learn more about what countries are obligated to do at CNN.com.

Four more Mexican officials have been charged in Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman's July prison escape. Two members of Mexico's intelligence agency

and two prison guards are accused of not alert others to El Chapo's breakout in a timely fashion.

Meanwhile, authorities are investigating a geotagged tweet and photo said to be from the drug lord's son. The man on the left is believed to be

El Chapo.

Well, no authorities are trying to decide if the picture is a clue to the cartel kingpin's whereabouts or a trick designed to mislead police.

So, what is geotagging actually? It is the process of adding your current location to photos or online posts. Other people can then see

where you were from that tag.

The information is usually collected from a GPS.

What users don't realize is that a lot of phones have location tracking automatically turned on. So some sites like FourSquare also

encourage users to check in where they are. Users would then have to opt out of the feature to avoid geotagging for their online posts.

And that is it for News Stream for now. I'm Manisha Tank. World Sport with Alex Thomas is up next. Don't go away.

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