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[06:33:56] MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: More questions about Hillary Clinton's e-mail use this morning. "The New York Times" reports a special intelligence review confirms two e-mails Clinton received as secretary of state on her personal account contained top secret information. It remains unclear whether those emails were actually marked classified at the time. Clinton's team says the emails were only marked classified before public release.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Still no sign of three suspects who gunned down an Illinois police officer last week. That officer was Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz, a 30-year veteran of the Fox Lake police force laid to rest Monday. Thousands of officers from across the country on hand for the emotional farewell. Now, authorities are going to hold a news conference this afternoon to reveal what they say is new evidence in the case.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: A frightening scene at a Labor Day parade in Westville, Illinois. A car careening into a crowd of spectators injuring 11 people, including a 2-year-old boy who suffered a fractured skull. The boy's injuries are said to be nonlife threatening. Ten other people were treated at the hospital and then released.

[06:35:00] Police say they do not know what caused the 61-year- old driver to slam into that crowd.

PEREIRA: Archaeology on steroids. That's what the lead researcher is calling this huge discovery of a stone monument that's much older, about five times larger than Stonehenge. Remote sensing and imaging technology found evidence about 100 buried stones believed to be 4,500 years old, right under their noses, essentially, just two miles from Stonehenge. Researchers in the U.K. call it the pinnacle of their 5-year Stonehenge mapping project. They believe there's nothing like it in the world and it represents a huge ritual monument that again was right there under their noses.

CAMEROTA: I've wasted time going to Stonehenge when there was a better Stonehenge two miles away.

PEREIRA: Absolutely.

CAMEROTA: Good to know.

PEREIRA: When I was about 8, I thought of myself as a budding archaeologist. And this kind of thing is like, ah, my spidey senses going.

CUOMO: Two questions, they found them buried or the were standing up just like they are --

PEREIRA: They were buried, but they may have been vertical, but buried. Do you know what I mean?

CUOMO: Second question: how do they do that? Is that out there?

PEREIRA: Thanks for asking. They used a motorized antennae ray to penetrate the ground.

CAMEROTA: Antennae ray, that's like out of Star Trek.

PEREIRA: I gave him an answer.

CUOMO: That's impressive.

PEREIRA: Like that never happened.

CUOMO: That's impressive. But that's not -- I mean, how did they raise the stones in the first place? Did we ever figure that out --

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PEREIRA: Never good enough for him.

CUOMO: Is that one of them?

CAMEROTA: Yes.

CUOMO: OK.

Pope Francis is announcing some reforms that are going to make a lot of noise in his church. Annulments, he wants to make them easier to get to make the church more welcoming. Bu not everyone is feeling the love. The change, the pushback, delineated and debated -- ahead.

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[06:40:37] CUOMO: Major news out of the Vatican this morning. At the urging of Pope Francis, announcing significant new procedures for annulling marriages in the Catholic faith. Catholics don't believe in the disillusionment of divorce. They don't believe in divorce. But that's what this process effectively achieves.

Now, this has been a big debate within the faith for decades.

Let's bring in what these changes are and what they should and should not mean.

CNN Vatican correspondent Delia Gallagher, and CNN religion commentator, Father Edward Beck.

Delia, we know that we have been waiting on this document. Father Beck just told me that it is written in Latin, so you have to get it translated. Do we know some of the specifics of the streamlining?

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Well, your translator is right here, Chris. We just got it right off the press. They are holding press conference right now to try to elucidate some of the language because it's written in Latin and Italian in very heavy juridical church language.

But I have gone through it a bit. These are some of the highlights. The main two points which people were complaining about was the length of time it took to get an annulment and the cost of an annulment.

So, what the pope has done has gotten rid of one of the church tribunals that had to place the verdict. Before you had to have two church tribunals to decide whether or not you could have an annulment. He is now reducing that to only one tribunal, hence the length of time, it will take less time.

The second point is, he is fast tracking some instances that are particularly evidence. So, for example, if the marriage lasted a short time, if there was an extramarital relationship happening at the time of the wedding or shortly there after and other series of reasons. The pope says these are particularly evident and they can be decided directly by the bishop.

The third point is the cost. The pope says with the exception of administrative fees that should be paid because it takes place at the local level. An appeal goes to the Vatican. But it starts at the local level. So, administrative fees need to be paid, but he wants it to be free.

Those are the top points from the Vatican document today, Chris.

CUOMO: What is the initial reporting on the initial, so what?

GALLAGHER: The question of so what has to do with not just streamlining this annulment process. It has to do with two things: one is the pope wants to bring people back in for this year of mercy, which starts on December 8th. This annulment process starts on December 8th. It's all part of his plan to try and bring people back in who have been divorced, who have been stayed away from the church for that reason.

The second point is, it ties in with discussions that will happen in October here at the general synod, where they will be discussing the hot button issue of communion for divorce and remarried Catholics. There's two sides to that story. One wants to give communion whether or not you have an annulment. The other side says, no, church teachings is we have to have an annulment first before you can get remarried.

This circumscribes that problem. It says annulments are made easier now, so get an annulment, then you can take communion and therefore be in good standing with the church.

CUOMO: Very well laid out.

Father Beck, you write it in Latin. You used the word "synod" which is Greek. You guys are all over the place. This is supposed to make it easier, but it's going to create division in the church because it will be seen as not just streamlining, but easing the responsibility of marriage and staying in it.

Where does it come out?

FATHER EDWARD BECK, CNN RELIGION COMMENTATOR: I don't think so. As a person who sits on a confessional and a counseling room, when people come to me and say, look, my marriage is not working. I entered into it in good faith. But this is the reasons why I can't stay in it.

We have to have options in the church to allow people to move on. Annulment has been a very tricky process for people. Some get it easily. Some don't. It costs a lot. You have to wait a long time.

The pope is saying a merciful church says meet people where they are. The majority of people have called a long time for this annulment process to be streamlined and less costly.

Delia just said, that is exactly what's going to happen. I don't see where pushback is happening.

CUOMO: Well, just happened, right? And the conceptual pushback will be, and I'll play this role, you are not supposed to play this role, but I'll give you the pushback --

BECK: Go ahead. Have at it.

CUOMO: -- is that you're not supposed to break your marriage. That's what one of the main things that makes Catholics different.

[06:45:00] Now, no matter what you describe it as, you are making it easier to do exactly that. And that goes against a covenant. It is a sacrament within our faith and you're making it easier.

BECK: Wait, annulment is different from divorce. What annulment says --

CUOMO: It's just a word.

BECK: -- is that at the time the marriage was contracted, the validity was not there because the people were not able to validly contract it. So, you are having an affair at the time you are ready get married.

CUOMO: Which the pope laid out as a specific example.

BECK: Right. How can you say, in all good faith, yes to this marriage? You can't. So, the marriage is null and void. Or, you are beating up your wife and we have been beating her even in the engagement process. And this goes on and the wife thinks you're going to change. You never change.

CUOMO: So, it keeps the rule pure.

BECK: So, why should she get stuck in a marriage like that because she made a bad decision?

CUOMO: So, it keeps the rule pure, but makes it easier for people to practice their faith?

BECK: Well, it says you can get a civil divorce. What about is sacramental divorce? The sacramental divorce is the annulment. It's saying that you didn't have what was necessary to validly contract the marriage and the church recognizes it.

CUOMO: And we'll see. Well, when you say the church, we'll see, because there's going to be a lot of voices that come out on that. But the biggest voice has spoken and we'll see where it goes from there.

Father Beck, thank you very much.

Delia, as always, appreciate the information and analysis.

So, what do you think? Do you agree with Father Beck? Of course you do. But tweet us anyway. Use the #NewDayCNN, or post your comment on Facebook.com/NewDay.

Mick?

PEREIRA: All right. Kimmel, Conan and Fallon, and here comes Colbert. They mine the campaign trail for punch lines and laughs. But a guest appearance on late night could be key for candidates on the road to the White House. Just important is it?

Our media experts weigh in next.

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[6:50:52] PEREIRA: Tonight, Stephen Colbert makes his debut as the host of "The Late Show", and among his first guest, Republican candidate Jeb Bush. It kicks off a week of political talk show appearances for presidential hopefuls.

How important are these appearances for a campaign?

We put the question to Brian Stelter, CNN senior media correspondent and host of "RELIABLE SOURCES", Bill Carter, CNN contributor and author of the war for late night. And it seems like war would be brewing, gentlemen. Look at this, let's pull up the full still.

Tuesday, Jeb is on Colbert. Thursday, Joe Biden, is he running, is he not, with Colbert. Friday, Donald Trump swings by Fallon.

So, Bill, how important is a stop on the late night couch for these candidates?

BILL CARTER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I think it's getting more important, because it's a way to show your, you know, humanity, self deprecating humor, all that.

And I think it's also interesting because now you have Colbert, who used to be the political voice, sort of welcome a Republican right away. I think that's kind of a signal he is sending. He is going to be open to that.

And I also think, you know, Biden is taking advantage of it, he's in the news, get out there. I think everybody is looking -- and it's also an interesting booking war going on in late night, because, you know, we got him and now we'll move on and Trump has got to make his move and he'll go on Fallon.

And you'll see a lot of back and forth.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: And they are both in New York now, Fallon and Colbert. So, they are able to play for some of the same guests.

It's easier for a candidate to be in New York than Los Angeles where "The Tonight Show" with Leno was on then.

PEREIRA: Wasn't Hillary supposed -- wasn't somebody vying for him and somebody got him?

STELTER: Yes, a couple of sources told me that Hillary was in talks to maybe going Colbert tonight. They really want him on the first night show. It would have been a great booking for the premiere of Colbert. But she declined and opened the opportunity for Jeb Bush to come on instead.

CAMEROTA: Why would she decline?

STELTER: Well, it turns out she was in talks with Fallon. So, at some point later this month, we will see her on Fallon instead although not clear exactly when yet. You know, the Bush campaign said to me exactly what Bill just said, this is a chance to show Jeb Bush the person.

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CUOMO: We are OK with this now. As a culture, we are OK with it?

CARTER: They have done "Saturday Night Live." We're OK with it.

CUOMO: We're OK with it. But what's the plus or minus?

STELTER: But Obama was the first sitting president to be on the late night --

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CUOMO: Yes.

STELTER: Relatively new, even though this has been happening gradually, for a while.

CUOMO: He got hit when he went on "The View", he got heat.

So, what is the plus, minus? What is the bar for success in this appearance?

CARTER: Get a laugh basically, I think is really important. Show some party that people haven't seen before. I guess for Jeb, it shows some energy. I guess, that was like counter the image that Trump is trying to throw out.

PEREIRA: No more slow jams, you don't think?

CARTER: Well, that would be interesting to see if Trump slow jams on Fallon, that would be interesting.

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STELTER: And for Biden, of course, if he announces something on Thursday, it's a big deal, if he doesn't something, it's also a big deal. It keeps the pot be stirred. Sort of win-win it feels like.

CUOMO: Do you think you can announce a race for president on a late night show?

STELTER: Well, John McCain signaled that he was going to race on Letterman's late show.

CUOMO: Signaled.

STELTER: Didn't Bob Dole?

CARTER: Now, he didn't announce.

STELTER: But he kind of hinted. He sort of said, I'm getting there.

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PEREIRA: But the fact is, for some, it is going to be an easier proposition. Donald Trump is going to have a grand time on the couch.

CARTER: He has immense experience on TV.

PERIERA: For some of the others, it's a bit of risky proposition. It could go sideways. Could it not?

CARTER: It rarely goes sideways because the host wants you to do well.

PEREIRA: That's true.

CARTER: You are not going to see them come at me with serious questions, put you on the spot. It's going to be, hey -- I mean, Chris Christie was on with Fallon. It was all fun.

CUOMO: Fallon is a very playful guy and he's not looking -- you know, it's a safe harbor when you go there. I wonder, if you get a Trump in there, he can be sensitive to what's done with him. Fallon does a great impression. The guy is genius. You don't know whether Donald is going to take it the right way and then what might that reveal.

STELTER: That's a great point. To have it on a Friday night, it's the rare Friday night spectacle they actually have to see on these late night shows. You talk about Fallon being relatively a safe harbor. We don't know what Colbert is going to be. Colbert, it's sort of a mystery. He's been kind of quite about what exactly his plan. He's has only given a few interviews. It sounds like he's going to be the more serious late night, the same way Letterman was.

CARTER: He is going to be welcoming initially.

[06:55:01] I think the Trump thing -- Letterman used to puncture Trump like crazy. But he kept coming back. I think he likes it. I think he appreciates the fact that he'll make fun of him because it keeps him in the news.

PEREIRA: But part of thing -- we have to remember, they plan out these skits and moments. None of this is really particularly spontaneous, right? I mean, they will know what's coming. They are looking to get the best joke.

STELTER: That will be true on the Ellen Show as well. Hillary Clinton is going on in the Ellen Show today. It's taping today. It's going to air on Thursday. It's not late night, but it's daytime, which is also a safe harbor for her.

CAMEROTA: Well, speaking of which, do all these shows sort of appeal to a different voting bloc? Like is she going on Ellen because she wants the women's vote, whereas you go on Conan if you want like redheads? Some different demographic --

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CARTER: I think you are right about Hillary. I think she's going on -- that show does have a strong, female base. I think as -- I said before, Jeb going on Colbert is like a signal that he's open to Republicans.

I think Trump going on Fallon, it's a little easier maybe. It won't be like pointed maybe. It's going to be fun. I think there's some of that. There's strategy involved.

PEREIRA: We have not mentioned Trevor Noah, the new "Daily Show" guy, because it's going to be interesting to see what he brings in. This is -- we've been talking mostly late night. But you bring in Ellen in daytime. So, Trevor Noah on "The Daily Show", a South African comic who's a really bright guy, nobody is really sure quite yet what he's going to bring to the table.

CUOMO: He's in tough spot too.

PEREIRA: Do you think it is a tough spot?

CUOMO: He is replacing somebody who had a role in American political media for good or for bad. And it's almost impossible for him to take that mantle.

CARTER: And the obvious challenge for him is he's not American.

CUOMO: That's why I'm saying it's almost impossible.

CARTER: And he's stepping in to an American political year.

CUOMO: But all of these things create a cycle of intrigue. Hillary going on Ellen.

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CUOMO: That's true, that's true. He's done a very smart job, Oliver. He's seen an opportunity and has gone for it. It will be interesting to see if Colbert takes it back. But Hillary going on Ellen, you know, Alisyn was all over Ellen yesterday. It was horrible --

CAMEROTA: I love Ellen. I was saying that she should come on NEW DAY for a different kinds of --

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CUOMO: She's put Ellen under the bus. That's going to be a problem for us going forward.

And Trump, one minute he's suing NBC, but the next minute he's all over their air. He's going on with Fallon, that's NBC. He's on the MSNBC morning show all the time. They should give him a button with a peacock on it. But he says he hates them.

STELTER: The only show he hasn't been on is FOX News for the past two weeks. There was a weird blackout on FOX News for the past two weeks. It's going to end tonight on "The O'Reilly Factor". But, clearly, there was tension going on there. But Trump has been everywhere else. And the fact that, you know, he threatened to sue NBC over the Miss USA issue and will be on Fallon. It goes to show that he goes where he believes --

CARTER: Wherever the spotlight moves --

PEREIRA: Bill, Bryan, really great to have you. Thanks so much.

Meanwhile, we have a lot of news to get to. So, let's get right to it now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clinton support slipping as Bernie Sanders surges in early voting states.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I will do what needs to be done to turn this country around.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Joe Biden is going to have to make a decision.

CROWD: Run, Joe, run! Run, Joe, run!

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm going to run part of this parade.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thousands of people fleeing terror and war in Syria and across the Middle East.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wrote on her arm, we are animals, I want to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Europe is still facing a major challenge in dealing with the tens of thousands of people.

PEREIRA: Presidential candidate, Mike Huckabee, plans to meet with jailed Kentucky clerk, Kim Davis today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A petition she be released from jail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love you, Sister Kim, if you can hear us in there.

PEREIRA: The Minnesota dentist who killed Cecil the Lion returns to work today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dr. Palmer left his practice six weeks ago.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He may not face charges.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to your NEW DAY.

A new report claims that Hillary Clinton did receive top secret e-mails, classified, on her private server as secretary of state. But the Clinton campaign maintains they were not marked classified at the time.

CUOMO: Clinton's team, though, insists she has done nothing wrong now or then. And they are trying to shift to policy, a part of a campaign reboot.

Let's see if it's working and what that will mean. CNN's team coverage of all things 2016 begins with senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny.

Jeff, what do you know?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Chris.

The drip, drip, drip of this Clinton e-mail controversy continues. A new intelligence agency review confirms the report from earlier this summer, that two e-mails she received on her private account contained classified top secret information. Now, this comes as Hillary Clinton is adjusting her strategy for a tougher fight than her campaign ever expected.

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ZELENY (voice-over): Another Clinton campaign reboot. Aides say she wants to open up, show her heart, and campaign more joyfully.

But this morning, renewed questions about the findings of the probe of that private e-mail server she used as secretary of state. "The New York Times" reporting a special intelligence review of two e- mails Clinton received in 2009 and 2011. Found two were top secret, one relating to North Korea's nuclear program.