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'NYT': Clinton Got 'Top Secret' Emails on Personal Account; Republicans Refocus Post-Labor Day Strategy; Huckabee to Visit Kim Davis, Lead Rally; Processing Camp Set Up to Help Stranded Migrants; White House Considers Options to Help Syrian Refugees. Aired 6-6:30a ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two e-mails Clinton received on her personal account contain top-secret information.

[05:59:01] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was legal, but it wasn't the right thing to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone has been playing on Donald Trump's playground.

CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I actually wish Mr. Trump would throw a little more heat Hillary Clinton's way.

JOE BIDEN (D), VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm going to run part of this parade.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thousands and thousands of refugees and migrants.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Britain should fulfill its moral responsibility to help those refugees.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Home as they knew it is gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pope Francis expected to announce changes to the marriage annulment process.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The pope is expected to streamline and simplify the entire procedure.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Does he have the power to change church doctrine?

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Tuesday, September 8, 6 a.m. in the East. Here is a question for you. Does the Clinton e-mail scandal now

have teeth? A new special review is said to support earlier findings that classified information was sent to Clinton's personal e-mail. But maybe these teeth are only baby teeth. Because the review also says it is unclear if the contents were marked classified at the time.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Meanwhile, the Republicans ramping up their attacks on Clinton, and support builds for two other Democrats, including Joe Biden. CNN's team coverage begins this morning with senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny.

Good morning, Jeff.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Alisyn.

The drip, drip, drip of the email Clinton controversy intensifies. Two intelligence agencies are now confirming a report from earlier this summer that two e-mails on the private account contained classified information and were top secret.

This comes as the Clinton campaign moves into a new phase of their increasingly competitive fall fight.

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ZELENY (voice-over): Renewed questions this morning about the findings of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton's e-mail probe. "The New York Times" reporting a special intelligence review of two emails Clinton received in 2009 and 2011 found the two were top- secret, one relating to North Korea's nuclear program. This review by the CIA and the national Geospatial Intelligence Agency backs up a similar conclusion made in July by the inspector general in the probe.

But the Clinton campaign disputes this, saying, "She did not send or receive anything marked classified, facts confirmed by the State Department and the inspector general."

Secretary Clinton also told the Associated Press why she won't apologize for using a private e-mail server, saying, "What I did was allowed by the State Department."

Clinton made the comments over Labor Day weekend while visiting Iowa and vowing to take on Republicans.

CLINTON: I am a true Democrat. I believe that our values are the right ones for America, and I'm going to fight for them.

ZELENY: But a recent poll shows Clinton support slipping as Bernie Sanders surges in early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire. Sanders suddenly sharing a stage with the frontrunner.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're feeling really good, not only about the poll but about the support we're getting here today.

ZELENY: And then there's the wild card of Vice President Joe Biden, who still is officially on the fence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope you run, man, I hope you run.

BIDEN: Hey, guys.

ZELENY: But his Labor Day visit to Pittsburgh had the look and feel of a campaign event...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Run, Joe, run! Run, Joe, run!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Run, Joe, run! Run, Joe, run!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Run, Joe, run! Run, Joe, run!

ZELENY: ... with residents urging Biden to jump in. Biden striking a passionate, populist tone while addressing union members in a fiery speech.

BIDEN: I'm mad. I'm angry. When the middle class does well, the wealthy do very well; and the poor have a way up. So organize, organize, organize.

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ZELENY: Joe Biden was clearly enjoying that moment in the spotlight yesterday as he inches closer to making a decision about 2016. Until then, the race is in something of a holding pattern as Clinton presses forward in launching another campaign reset. She's trying to put all this email controversy behind her by suddenly talking about it. After months of no interviews, she suddenly opening up, appearing this week on "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" and giving even more interviews coming up -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right, Jeff. Thanks for all that.

Now on the GOP side, the post-Labor Day push is on, with many of the candidates crisscrossing the Granite State and Carly Fiorina going on the offensive.

CNN's Athena Jones has more. Good morning, Athena.

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.

That's right. Labor Day has been the unofficial start of the campaign season, and it certainly looked like that in New Hampshire, where you had a lot of candidates. Carly Fiorina is an outsider, nonpolitician candidates who's really been surging in the polls. She was up in New Hampshire, so were Governor Scott Walker and John Kasich.

Walker even appeared at one event at one point on a motorcycle. And several of the candidates were also in a Labor Day parade up in Milford, New Hampshire. But it was Fiorina who got some attention for hitting Hillary Clinton on her comments comparing Republicans who hold conservative views on abortion and women's reproductive rights to terrorists. And she didn't stop there. Take a listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FIORINA: Boohoo, Mrs. Clinton. I mean, Mrs. Clinton is the same person who compared Republicans to terrorists. For heaven's sakes, I actually wish Mr. Trump would throw a little more heat Hillary Clinton's way. I feel sometimes as though I'm the only candidate who's consistently been critical of her.

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JONES: And so, that was something of a twofer there. She was hitting both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the GOP frontrunner. Fiorina has been taking it to Clinton from the very beginning of her campaign, and she wants a little help from her fellow candidates. We'll see if Trump, who occasionally blasts Hillary Clinton, steps up -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: And we'll be watching, to be sure. Thank you so much.

Meanwhile, jailed Kentucky clerk Kim Davis is getting some high- profile political support today. Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee plans to meet with Davis and, indeed, hold a rally outside the jail where she's spending a sixth day for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Davis's lawyers just filed an emergency appeal for her release.

[06:05:04] A lot to get to with Martin Savidge. He's live outside the jail in Grayson, Kentucky.

Good morning to you, Martin.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Michaela.

Yes, it's going to be a very big day in a very small town. Mike Huckabee has already spoken on the telephone to Kim Davis. But this is going to be his opportunity to meet with her face-to-face inside of her jail cell and detention center here. And then, as you point out, he's going to hold a rally after that. It's called the "I'm with Kim Liberty Rally."

And the crowds are expected to be very large, in fact so large they've decided to cancel some of the area schools just to try to alleviate some of the traffic problems. There were rallies in support of Kim Davis outside of this facility over the weekend.

As you point out, her attorneys have been busy filing appeals. They've also appealed to the governor of the state, asking that he issue some sort of executive order to alleviate things here. But the governor has implied he is not going to do that.

This has once again reignited the debate over the right to same- sex marriage versus the potential limitations on freedom of religion.

Over the weekend, one of the attorneys met with Ms. Davis. It was actually yesterday. And he said -- this is how he described her demeanor. Quote, "She exudes gentleness and is at peace. Her spirits remain high. She was brought to tears when she heard that so many people outside of the jail and around the country are praying for her." No doubt, she will hear the rally in her support later today -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: Curious that they're cancelling some classes for this because of the crowds. I was wondering about that decision.

We should point out that we're going to actually speak with Kim Davis's attorney about the case next hour. Our thanks to Martin.

CUOMO: Let's discuss. CNN political analyst and presidential campaign correspondent for "The New York Times," Maggie Haberman; and CNN political commentator and political anchor at New York One News, Errol Louis.

CAMEROTA: Hey, guys.

CUOMO: Good to have you both here. Let's start with that, seeing as how we were just talking about it. This is more than Kim Davis. This is a re-approach for the certain part of the Republican Party that wants to make the assault on culture something more mainframe in the political thing. So I ask you, Errol, do you think Mike Huckabee wants Kim Davis in jail or out of jail for his political purposes?

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, today, he wants to sort of probably re-enact letter from a Birmingham jail. There's been a lot of civil rights imagery and words sort of heaped on Kim Davis, inappropriately, in my opinion. But I think they're going to sort of try and play that out. It's a very weak hand politically.

I mean, I think most people understand. First of all, 49 percent of the country is in favor of same-sex marriage. The tide is going in a certain direction. Also, the Supreme Court has ruled on this. This is done. You're not going to overrule the Supreme Court from the standpoint of a local clerk saying, "I don't agree with that decision."

So as agonizing as it may be, as if often the case in America, we've got to, you know, a nation of laws. You've got to go with where the law takes us, whether you like it or not. And I think everybody understands that, including Mike Huckabee.

CAMEROTA: All right, Maggie. I want to shift gears to what "The New York Times" is reporting this morning about Hillary Clinton's e- mails.

According to the CIA and another intelligence agency, two of her e-mails were classified. They were classified as top secret, they say, when she received them.

The State Department and the Hillary Clinton campaign say no, they weren't. They were classified after the fact. Who is going to tell us the answer to this? Where is the answer?

MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I think we're going to be doing a version of this for a very long time. I think you are going to have other e-mails that probably come out and be designated as classified at the time. And there will be a debate about whether they were marked or not, as there was here.

Hillary Clinton says, "I never sent anything or received anything that was marked." Also, she received these; she didn't send these. And that's an important note.

CAMEROTA: But who's the ultimate arbiter here who says yes or no?

HABERMAN: There isn't one. I mean, I think we're going to continue this way for a while. This is a confusing and complicated story.

CUOMO: Different agencies -- tell them why, though, Maggie. Different agencies deal with classified information in different ways.

HABERMAN: Different agencies deal with classified information in different ways, No. 1.

Two, we haven't seen these e-mails. So we don't know exactly what the contents was -- were. We don't know whether these were things that, whoever the sender was, read or saw somewhere and described in their own way and put into an e-mail. This is not a completely cut-and-dry issue.

CAMEROTA: One more thing, Chris and I were having a debate here yesterday on the show with a Clinton surrogate about whether or not voters ever ask Mrs. Clinton about this on the campaign trail. When you covered her, are voters raising their hands and asking her? Is this the issue that voters care about?

HABERMAN: Voters are not raising their hand and asking her about this in the events that she has held. And she has held town halls. Her folks make this point, to be fair, she does take questions. They say they are not prescreened.

She does do Q&A's with the media. She has done a bunch of interviews with local media. She's done fewer national.

But voters are interested in it and are aware of it. When I was last out on the trail with her, which was a few months ago at this point, but this was actually prior to this latest issue with the security probe by the FBI, or the security review, whatever they're calling it. Over the July 4 holiday. At her event in Dartmouth, supporters of her or prospective supporters of her said to me as I was interviewing them, "You know, I just worry about the speed bumps with her."

[06:10:10] And I said, "What speed bumps?"

"You know, those email issue -- this email issue." I just wish she would answer these questions. So this is, at least in the back of mind for voters. Whether it's the most prominent thing, I think that's debatable. But it is certainly there. CUOMO: Well, it's metaphor, though, isn't it, Errol? At the end

of the day, you know, the answer to Alisyn's question is, this is a window into the esoterica of intelligence work that we're never going to understand. It's never going to satisfy anybody's appetite. No less than Phil Mudd, our counterterrorism guru, if like, "I can't wait to read what the review said." Because we all say different things. I'm not going to agree with everybody about what's classified.

But it is a window into how she handled it. How she handles the media when the media doesn't do what she likes. How she handles a situation when she wants to do things her own way. And isn't that a legitimate, hard-cement way to look at a candidate? Fair appraisal?

LOUIS: Absolutely. And there's a certain tedium to it. I mean, I think what Maggie is getting at is the notion that, if you're a supporter, if you're a passionate Democrat, you're OK with Clinton, where are the talking points? Please explain this to me so that I can explain this to other people. You know, if you're a local leader.

And you know, as we go into what is now the fourth Clinton campaign since 1992, you know, and people had to explain the impeachment; and people had to explain all kinds of stuff, you know, Travelgate, all kinds of stuff from the past. There's this weight that sort of, I think, settles on the supporters that say, "Oh, no, not again."

HABERMAN: That's right. I think that's right. And people are tired of constantly feeling like they have to defend. And the question of, you know, classification, by the way, I should point out to Errol's point and to your point, that's not the same as saying -- asking the question of why did you set your e-mail up this way in the first place?

CUOMO: That's right.

HABERMAN: That's a very legitimate question.

CUOMO: And you can't blame the flies. Yesterday, we had Sacarides on, and we had Maria Silvano (ph) on.

CAMEROTA: Cardona?

CUOMO: Whatever. Cardona, thank you very much. Hugh Hewitt's going to call me in a second, like, "Aha!"

Both of them said the same thing: you know, the media -- you know, the media have it out for her. And yes, your paper did come out and one of your editors, saying that she wasn't crazy about the coverage. But you can't blame the flies.

HABERMAN: The (UNINTELLIGIBLE) editor, not one of my editors. But yes.

CUOMO: Because it was about you, Maggie. You were very -- the flies come. You know? And we know what they are attracted to. So you, as the candidate have to control how much fodder you create like this. This is on Clinton as much as it's on anybody else. She made the decision to have the server. She made the decision not to explain it the right way early on, Errol. I mean...

LOUIS: Well, she is relying on the public to either focus on something more important or decide that there's nothing that they can really sort of understand about it and that it's not worth investing a lot of time in it. That's actually a very smart bet.

CAMEROTA: OK. So enter stage left, Joe Biden, possibly.

CUOMO: Running.

HABERMAN: Going into...

CAMEROTA: So, he seemed like a candidate. He was energized. He was, you know, mixing it up with the crowd. But somebody yelled at him, "Are you going to run/" Here was Joe Biden's response yesterday.

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BIDEN: Nobody to stand between us and the major -- no, no, you've got to talk to my wife about that. I've got to talk to my wife about that.

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CAMEROTA: Doesn't that mean no? Doesn't that mean that his wife doesn't want him to run? And if he still has to talk to his wife about that or convince her, that that means no?

HABERMAN: That means I have no idea. I mean, Jeb Bush said stuff -- you know, we've heard stuff like this here. Every person who we have all predicted collectively was not going to run this cycle has run. So with that caveat, No. 1.

But what I think that what Joe Biden has been through is impossible to imagine. He lost his son. I think that he -- this is hard. Friends will describe this as sort of part of his grieving process. That doesn't mean he doesn't run. I just -- I can't -- there have been lots of reports, and I've heard this, too, that his wife is -- has very mixed emotions about him running. I think she was very, very attached to Beau Biden. And I think she is really, really traumatized about what's going on.

So I think that when he says, "I have to assess with my family whether we have the emotional energy to run, I think that's very, very true. I just think it's very hard to predict where he goes.

CUOMO: He deserves the time. And the delay is not compromising the election at this point. So we wait.

Errol, Maggie, thank you very much.

CAMEROTA: Thank you.

CUOMO: As we know you two will be, so should you, be ready to tune in Wednesday, September 16 when CNN hosts the next Republican debate. Coverage starts at 6 p.m., then again at 8 p.m. Eastern -- Mick.

PEREIRA: A dire series of scenes playing out in Europe. A crisis there. Migrants crisis is escalating. Hundreds of refugees clashing with officers at a holding point in Hungary who forced -- storming past armed police.

In team coverage now, we begin with CNN senior international correspondent Arwa Damon, who is live there along the Serbian/Hungary border. Explain to us what the scene is like now, Arwa.

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is the fence that Hungary has put up. It will eventually be permanent. For now, it's just this concertina wire, perhaps indicative of the experience that those refugees and migrants do have here and why they were so desperate to break out of that transit camp.

[06:15:09] When we went by there earlier, people who we spoke to said they simply could not tolerate the conditions in there. They were saying that they were inhumane, as if they were made to feel as if they were being treated like animals.

Here you have a small group of people that are waiting to cross into Serbia. This demarcates the Serbia/Hungary border. And most people will come through following these train tracks all the way from Serbia into Hungary. And you can see a fair number of them arriving right now. With them, a child, as well.

By the time they get to this point, they would have been traveling for weeks. And just to get here, they would have taken, most likely, a bus. The closest point means that they have to walk for about three hours. From some of the further points, they end up walking for about eight or nine, in some instances.

They arrive absolutely exhausted, parched. This journey, very difficult and arduous. A huge psychological impact on the parents, because of the risks that they're putting their children through. But also on the children, as well. Given the reality that they are leaving homelands.

And Alisyn, earlier, when we were here, we saw a father carrying his little girl on his shoulders. He just stopped and said, "Syria will always be in my heart."

CAMEROTA: Arwa, every one of your reports helps us understand this better. Thank you so much. We'll check back in with you.

The Obama administration looking for ways to help ease this migrant crisis, as Germany and Austria struggle to cope with the influx of migrants there. CNN senior international correspondent Frederik Pleitgen is live in Vienna with the very latest.

What's the scene there, Fred?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Alisyn, an unbelievable number of refugees are pouring here into the western Vienna train station. This is really the focal point. Because when they come from Hungary, they go here to the Vienna train station, and then they try to catch those trains that go on to Munich in Germany. So many, many of them coming through here all the weekend and today as again, and as you said, the Obama administration also now getting more involved in this issue.

There's a statement from the White House that I want to read really quickly. It says, "The administration is actively considering a range of approaches to be more responsive to the global refugee crisis, including, with regard to refugee resettlement." And that, of course, is also the very big debate here in Europe.

On the one hand, you have a lot of countries who say they don't want to take in more refugees coming from places like Syria and Iraq. And on the other hand, you have countries, like for instance, Germany, that says, "Look, these people are going to be coming here anyway. There's no way we're going to be able to keep them out of Europe. So we have to do for them what we can."

The Germans alone have said they believe that around 800,000 refugees might be coming to Germany alone this year. That, of course, is something that's quite troubling to the public in many countries. But at this point in time, the Germans have said they should be able to handle that number, but they won't be able to do it alone.

Europe, again, grappling with a common approach of how to take in this amount of people.

And at the same time, obviously, civil society is being called on, as well. And the pope is also getting involved. There was a tweet from the Vatican that also came out, saying, "May every parish and religious community in Europe host a refugee family." An urgent call there by the pope. And just seeing the numbers that are coming through here every day.

And, you know, today was actually supposed to be a fairly quiet day. But we've already seen hundreds of people come through here. You can really see how urgent all this is in Europe right now -- Chris.

CUOMO: Fred, well said. The pope calling on some 12,000 German parishes to do exactly that, get involved. We'll have to see who answers the call. Appreciate the reporting.

Pope Francis is making another move that matters, as well, announcing a streamlining of marriage annulments. Remember, Catholics don't believe in divorce. But these decrees achieve the same end, allowing those who get civil divorces and remarry to remain in the church. Now, the move will make annulments less costly and time-consuming. This sounds simple, but it is controversial. We have the details and debate on the change coming up.

PEREIRA: Dick Cheney is going to deliver a major address this morning, apparently bashing the Iran nuclear deal. The former vice president is expected to warn that the agreement will give Iran the capacity to destroy the United States. Here's an excerpt from the speech, given to CNN.

Quote, "Arming and funding Iran while simultaneously providing them a pathway to a nuclear arsenal is not an act of peace. It's not, as President Obama claims, the only alternative to war. It is madness."

CAMEROTA: OK, Michaela, I know you've been following this story closely. A 4-year-old boy and his dog after being trapped inside a 25-foot-deep well for three hours. Emergency crews in Mississippi initially tried using a rope to rescue them, but that did not work. So then they used a pulley system to lift the pair out. The boy was taken to the hospital, but we are told the boy and the dog will be OK.

[06:20:15] PEREIRA: It's so frightening, though, that kind of thing. We -- you cover that story in local news all the time.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

PEREIRA: And we still do? I mean, that seems like...

CAMEROTA: You're just out! (ph)

PEREIRA: I know, I know. I mean, that's amazing, really.

CUOMO: What are we going to figure out, get rid of wells?

CAMEROTA: Put a net over them?

PEREIRA: Something.

CUOMO: I don't think it's that simple.

CAMEROTA: Well, maybe somebody should work on that.

PEREIRA: If it's a problem repeatedly happening...

CAMEROTA: Something should be fixed.

CUOMO: Like poverty? You know what I mean? I think certain things are just unavoidable. People are going to fall.

PEREIRA: This is a bigger discussion.

CAMEROTA: The world...

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CUOMO: You guys solve it in the break. We're getting -- we're getting told to move on.

All right. Here's a real crisis that this country has certainly not responded to yet. What we're seeing in Germany and Austria as they reach their tipping point with a humanitarian crisis that is going to get much, much worse. What does the world do about the growing number of migrants and refugees who are looking for help and getting none? (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[06:25:02] CAMEROTA: European governments feeling increasingly overwhelmed, trying to provide refuge for the desperate migrants crossing their borders. So what should the U.S. do?

James Jeffrey is a former U.S. ambassador to Iraq and Turkey. He also served as a diplomat in Germany and the Balkans. He is currently the visiting fellow at the Washington Institute.

Mr. Ambassador, thanks so much for being here on NEW DAY. Should the European countries be doing more this morning?

JAMES JEFFREY, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO IRAQ AND TURKEY: Well, first of all, the focus has to be on the emergency situation with people who are getting in unseaworthy boats run by criminal gangs. And we all need to do more to cope with that.

The underlying problems, however, involve both the set of crises in the Middle East and the inability of the European Union to deal as a union with this underlying problem.

And what the United States can do is, first of all, we could take more refugees in. Secondly, we can work harder to try to bring some stability to the Middle East. This has been our role for decades, and we are leaving this role, unfortunately, very rapidly.

CAMEROTA: But Mr. Ambassador, what would that look like since this -- the root of this was the civil war in Syria. And obviously, the U.S. has been very reluctant to get involved in that. What would it look like for the U.S. to tackle this at its root?

JEFFREY: It would begin with a statement of principle that the Assad government, which is generating most of these refugees, because it's killing most of the civilians, backed by Russia and Iran, needs to be placed under far more pressure.

The countries in the region, other than Iran, are willing to do that. The United States has been very reluctant, as we saw with the ludicrous 50 people we trained after a year to send back into Syria to fight, not the Assad government but the Islamic State, which also needs to be fought. That's part of the problem, as well. But this is doing little to cure the underlying problem in Syria. We need to do much more to try to stabilize the situation there.

CAMEROTA: It sounds like your feelings echo that of the critics of President Obama, who say that, of course this is President Bashar al-Assad of Syria's fault. He has stoked the civil war, or at least done nothing to stop it in his own country, but that President Obama, also, has not done much.

JEFFREY: No, he hasn't. Beginning in 2011, he said Assad must go, but he hasn't followed that up with any action. We're not talking about tens of thousands of American ground troops deployed. We're talking about ideas such as a safe zone in the north, which the United States, we thought, has signed up to with Turkey a month ago; but we've seen little action. We're talking about a real program to arm and support a resistance force that can put pressure on the Assad government.

We need that government and its supporters -- Iran and Russia -- to come to the negotiating table to help resolve this problem, because it's turning the entire Middle East into a zone of chaos.

CAMEROTA: Mr. Ambassador, back to the immediate problem of the desperate migrants, why has the U.S. only taken 1,500 out of the millions of people who need help?

JEFFREY: First of all, the general U.N. agency for refugees tries to keep the refugees, to the extent possible, in camps near the crisis zone so that they can be reintegrated back into societies. Refugees are supposedly only temporarily away from their homes until the situation can be taken care of.

So bringing them 4,000 or 5,000 miles to the United States is not conducive to that. but the United States also has really strong restrictions on bringing anybody in from the Middle East because of the fear that we might be letting terrorists in. Whether this fear is legitimate or not, that's another question. But the point in, we've only taken in 1,500; Europe has taken in hundreds of thousands.

CAMEROTA: You know, the pope has called for every single Catholic parish throughout Europe to take in one refugee family. Is that the answer?

JEFFREY: That certainly, if the families do that, is a step in the right direction. But the underlying problem is what will Europe do with, in the case of Germany, up to 800,000 refugees this year, with up to 500,000 coming in, in the next few years, according to the deputy chancellor? This is extremely hard for any of these societies to integrate.

The political class, religious leaders want to take in millions. The populations of these countries, however, are deeply divided on this very, very sensitive issue, just like we are in America about migration.

CAMEROTA: Former ambassador James Jeffrey, always great to get your perspective.

JEFFREY: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much -- Chris.

CUOMO: All right. Exciting, exciting, exciting. Late night is about to get more political. Jeb Bush, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, all are booked -- booked to appear where? Late-night talk shows. This is now a required stop on the road to the White House. We ask that as a question. I say it isn't even one. What do you think?

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