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Trump, Bush Trade Shots in New Hampshire; Trump Says He Has Military's Respect; North & South Korea Exchange Artillery Fire; At Least 29 Wounded in Cairo Attack; Thai Police: At Least 10 Involved in Bangkok Attack; Police Clash with St. Louis Protestors after Shooting; Jared Fogle Admits Sex with Minors, Child Porn. Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired August 20, 2015 - 07:00   ET

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN: Trump called Bush unelectable, and Bush blasted Trump's lack of conservative credentials.

[07:00:03] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN: Of course, the polls show voters have embraced the Trump candidacy, but how does his family hear about running? You're going to hear what he told me in our one-on-one interview ahead.

Let's go first to our coverage team: Sara Murray in New Hampshire, indefatigable and insightful. What do you have for us?

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.

It was a very fiery evening last night with these dueling town halls, in part because Jeb Bush was much more aggressive in taking on GOP frontrunner Donald Trump. Let's take a look.

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MURRAY (voice-over): Step aside, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you. Thank you.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you. Thanks.

MURRAY: Donald Trump and Jeb Bush are taking over the ring.

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MURRAY: In a night of dueling town halls in New Hampshire, just 15 miles apart and within an hour of each other, both Republican presidential candidates threw jabs.

TRUMP: I don't see how he's electable. Jeb Bush is a low-energy person. For him to get things done is hard. He's very low-energy.

BUSH: Mr. Trump doesn't have a proven conservative record. He was a Democrat longer in the last decade than he was a Republican.

MURRAY: Though Bush set the date for his town hall first, his crowd of about 200 got walloped by Trump's 1,200.

TRUMP: You know, we have a lot of people outside, hundreds and hundreds of people standing outside.

MURRAY: Some even spilling into an overflow room to see the candidate in his first official town hall.

TRUMP: You know what's happening to Jeb's crowd, as you know right down the street? They're sleeping!

He was supposed to do well in New Hampshire. He's, you know, going down like a rock.

MURRAY: Though he's dubbed himself the joyful tortoise, it seems Wednesday was the night Bush came out of his shell, throwing this punch at Trump's immigration policy.

BUSH: Hundreds of billions of dollars of cost to implement his plans is not a conservative plan.

MURRAY: A blow the GOP frontrunner blocked, telling reporters...

TRUMP: The only thing constant is Trump. All of them change on the bottom. They're going up and down like yo-yos. I'm not going anywhere, folks. I'm not doing this for my health. I'm doing this to make America great again.

MURRAY: Florida's former governor doesn't think that's enough to win the fight.

BUSH: People are going to want someone sitting behind the big desk that they know their compass points north, that they have the integrity to act on what they say they'll do, and they have the leadership skills to make it so. That's it.

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MURRAY: Now Jeb Bush and Donald Trump are going their separate ways today. Jeb Bush stays in New Hampshire. He's barnstorming the state with two additional events here.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump is looking ahead to Friday. That's when he's heading to Alabama for a pep rally. His staff says they already have 25,000 RSVPs for the event, and they had to move it to a new venue. Now it is at a football stadium.

Back to you, Chris.

CUOMO: All right, Sara. Thank you very much.

Now one of the most surprising findings in our latest CNN/ORC poll is Trump's standing when it comes to fighting ISIS. Many people we've talked to trust that he can handle it, even though he admits that he gets most of his information not from advisors and policy teams but from us, NEW DAY. Watching this show and others, and reading newspapers and magazines. Watch.

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CUOMO: So you said something earlier about the poll that you came out ahead on ISIS. That was a surprise to people. One of the reasons...

TRUMP: Not to me, because I talk about it a lot.

CUOMO: I understand. But one of the reasons it might have been surprising is something else you've said, which is that you get a lot of your military analysis from watching television.

TRUMP: See I didn't -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) I watch your show, and I watch other shows.

CUOMO: What do you mean?

TRUMP: And you have on the best channels, the best...

CUOMO: We have a great staff.

TRUMP: Frankly better than I could get. In all fairness, you know, what do I know? I'm a man that's made a great fortune. I'm going to make our country rich. I'm going to make our country great, but you know what? You do -- get me the right generals, and I'll see four or five generals. I'll see all sorts of people. You'll even stoop down to the colonel staff. You go all over the place, but you have a lot of different people. And so do other shows. And they're really good people. And I watch that. And I read "The Times." And I read "The Wall Street Journal," and I'll read lots of other newspapers.

CUOMO: But you need a team.

TRUMP: And I read magazines, especially "TIME" magazine this week, because I'm on the cover. OK, special delivery (ph).

But I read magazines, and I read other things. Sure, I need a team. But you know, by the time you get to a problem, you know, we're talking a long ways away; it's going to be changed. You'll have a whole different set of -- different countries will be run by different people, in all fairness.

CUOMO: But you'll have some like your opponent, Jeb Bush, who says, "I have a policy team, a staff. He doesn't have one."

TRUMP: He says he does, OK. Look, he can say -- he's a very low- energy person, Jeb Bush; he's got very low energy. Which is OK, it's good, if you want to lead a long life. But he's a low-energy person.

Perhaps he sits down all day long with a particular general. But you know what? I can get a lot of information in a very short time.

[07:05:02] Now, I've met with numerous -- I was given the biggest award by the Marines the other day, just about one of the biggest civilian awards by the Marines the other day. I was with all of the Marines. I was with the head of the joint -- the new head of the joint chiefs of staff. He's a very impressive guy. At the Waldorf Astoria the other night. I was given, you know, one of their most distinguished awards, which was a great honor for me...

CUOMO: So you're saying they respect you? TRUMP: I think they do. I mean, I think -- I got the award from them. And they presented it to me, so I think they do.

But when I say that, a lot of people thought that was very smart. You know, you -- I watch all the shows. You get the best people. You know, because even the generals want to be on television, right? Or they're retired generals in many cases. But I see a lot of good things by watching your show and other shows. And it's really nothing to be laughed at or scoffed at.

CUOMO: And if you took it to the next level, then you'd have your own policies.

TRUMP: Sure. And you know what? I do. When I watch -- and without naming names. But when I watch your different shows. And your show particularly, you're very much into this. But when I watch the different shows, there are certain people I really think are terrific that I can do better by watching and seeing and reading in the time. And then I know who I maybe want to speak to more so. Because you're not going to meet with 400 different people.

So I do learn a lot by watching, and I do learn a lot by reading the various newspapers and magazines and everything else. And I really find it to be a fascinating subject.

CUOMO: Today...

TRUMP: And some people agree with me on ISIS. Many of them agree with me on ISIS.

CUOMO: Probably reflected in the poll. Today, what do you think your chances of becoming president of the United States are?

TRUMP: Well, I never like to talk about chances. I mean, I'm doing really well. I'm leading every poll. Your polls have been very, very strong. FOX just came out a couple of days ago. It was very similar to your poll, leading everything.

I was most happy with your poll, because my daughter, Ivanka, came up to me, and my wife came up to me, Melania, and she knows how passionate I am about women, protecting women and taking care of women. I cherish women. And I -- they're so important. And when I watched Jeb Bush a week ago not wanting to fund the women's health issues, and he wanted to not fund them. He said, "Well, I don't think we need to spend $500 billion. I don't think they need" -- that kind -- I thought it was terrible. Now...

CUOMO: He says he only meant Planned Parenthood.

TRUMP: I watched him make the statement. And then he went back and he was, you know, rewound up by his pollsters, and they said, "Oh, by the way, you made a mistake." So then he said he misspoke. And -- but how do you misspeak about something like that?

And my wife came up to me, my daughter Ivanka, who you know, came up to me and they said, "You know, the one thing you should do is talk a little bit about women's health issues, because you're so good on it. You know about it. And you cherish women. You want to protect women."

And protect them in more than one way. That way. I'll protect them militarily, too, because we are such a target. This country is such a target, because we're considered to be weak. We're a weak country. We're considered to be weak now. And I will protect women more than anybody.

CUOMO: You don't think we're considered the strongest country in the world militarily?

TRUMP: I think we are considered to be a country in decline, serious decline. You look at our education, we're No. 25 in the world, and we spend far more than anybody else per student.

CUOMO: Would you let women fight in the military? In the Rangers and all the elite troops?

TRUMP: Yes, I guess the answer is yes, because they're really into it. And some of them are really, really good.

CUOMO: We just had two graduating from the Rangers school.

TRUMP: Yes. I would also speak to the generals, because I would want to hear that, without a political bent. I'd want to hear the truth. I mean, you know, to the public they say, "Yes, yes, yes," but I wouldn't want to hear without a political bent.

But I'll tell you what, I know some women that are just -- Ronda Rousey is an example, who likes me.

CUOMO: Good for you.

TRUMP: Said, "I'd take care -- I'd take care of what my side is in a fight."

So -- so the answer is yes. I would. I also want to speak, however, to the -- to the military.

CUOMO: So you come on last week and you say, "I don't have to talk about what I do with women; I can show what I do with women. We hire them. We put them in positions of excellence, and we pay them often better than their male counterparts if their work warrants it."

TRUMP: Better.

CUOMO: So your office then comes. They provide what they call their proof of performance. Here are the jobs; it happens. It's a private company. We don't want to out the people. You say if I want to come in there...

TRUMP: Although they would be willing to do it.

CUOMO: That's right. I'll sign an NDA, a nondisclosure. They'll -- so that goes out. You issue the challenge to the other candidates. The media kind of dismisses it. What's your take on why?

TRUMP: Well, for the most part, the other candidates never hired anybody. I have thousands of people that work for me. I've had tens of thousands of people. I've created tens of thousands of jobs. That means I paid for education for all these people. I paid for health care far better than an Obamacare. I mean, I paid for really great -- I take great care of my people.

I have a great company, as you probably noticed when I did my filings, so I'm very proud of my company. The problem with the other candidates, you know, they might have nobody working for them. They don't have people working for them. They've never created a job before. That's all I do. I'm a job-producing machine.

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[07:10:02] PEREIRA: How much do you think the "What do I know?" comment is going to pick up traction? He said that.

CAMEROTA: I know, about the military.

PEREIRA: Yes. "What do I know.?

CAMEROTA: You said -- you challenged him about where he gets his information. He said, "What do I know?" But it's -- you know, with him, it's just -- you can gloss over it, because then he gets back to "I'll be the best."

CUOMO: I think he was being self-deprecating. And he also knows that people are agreeing with him on these issues. So it's not like he's saying something that is far afield and having to justify it. The polls are justifying it. People like his candor. They think that he's speaking about things with a frankness that politicians won't, because they don't want to have to do anything.

And that right now is what is allowing him to escape the hard scrutiny of the how.

I keep saying in this interview, "How? How would you do that? How would you do that?" And he is lighter on that. But in defense of it, not that he needs it, he can be lighter on it right now because nobody else is giving great ideas on it.

CAMEROTA: Sure, and you can be -- yes.

CUOMO: That's the way to take Donald Trump's thunder. It's not like bashing Mr. Trump; being better than him.

PEREIRA: You can be light on it in 450 days.

CAMEROTA: That's right. You don't need heavy policy this far out.

CUOMO: Now, something that he talked about here that we hadn't heard him -- at least I hadn't heard him talk about before, is his family.

PEREIRA: Really? CUOMO: The kids are all stars. And they are doing big things in their own lives.

PEREIRA: Sure.

CUOMO: How do he feel about exposing them out to politics? And what about his wife? Why haven't we seen her? What would she do? He gives his answers on all that.

PEREIRA: Look forward to that. Look forward to that.

Right now, though, let's get to some other headlines for you, in fact, some -- several breaking stories overseas.

North and South Korea trading fire this morning over their heavily- fortified border. The South Korean military saying they fired a round of shells after North Korea fired a rocket at them.

Let's get the latest from Kathy Novak. She's live in Seoul with the breaking details for us -- Kathy.

KATHY NOVAK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Michaela, South Korea has its military on high alert here tonight. It has been very tense recently, because North Korea has been issuing threats over two issues.

The first is that the United States and South Korea are holding joint military exercises. This is something that always angers the regime of Kim Jong-un.

The other thing that it's angry about is the fact that, for the first time in more than a decade, South Korea has resumed psychological warfare. That means it's using speakers along the border to broadcast anti-North-Korean messages into North Korea. That makes the regime very unhappy. It likes to keep tight controls on anything that is being told to its own population.

And now we are hearing from South Korea's defense ministry that North Korea sent it a message. It said that if South Korea does not stop this psychological (ph) warfare by 5 p.m. on Saturday local time, it will take military action -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right. That's a troubling warning. Kathy, thanks for that.

We're also following some breaking news out of Egypt. ISIS claiming responsibility for attacking a security building in Cairo. The scene is devastating, with dozens of people wounded.

Let's get right to CNN senior international correspondent, Nick Paton Walsh, in Beirut. How is it looking, Nick?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Windows have been blown out for blocks around this blast. Two a.m. in the morning hitting near a main security building in the capital, injuring 29, six of those police. A massive crater left there. ISIS claiming responsibility in their statement. You pass through there and you kind of get the impression this is actually a group in the Sinai Peninsula, Ansar Bait al-Maqdis, who are often behind attacks there in the capital, too. They are saying it's actually revenge for the execution of six militants associated with them back in May.

The Sinai, from where much of this violence emanates, is extraordinarily violent now. The Egyptian military saying they have it under control. But consistent violence emanating from there.

This particular attack at 2 a.m. in the morning. Perhaps that's why nobody died, although substantial damage here. Security services saying in a statement, in fact, someone drove up in a car. A man got out of the car and then sped away on a motorcycle but had followed that car. So a certain level of fear, I think, in authorities that they were able to penetrate into the heart of the capital's defenses. But it's still at this stage another stark reminder -- (AUDIO GAP) -- ISIS and affiliated group. Not actually ISIS in Iraq and Syria, reaching out and attacking Cairo. That they're able to get so close to the capital as defenses here, Chris.

CUOMO: And again, Nick, you're pointing out that this group has adopted the brand of ISIS shows the breach of the organization; important to track. Thank you for the reporting this morning, my friend.

So the manhunt intensifying in Bangkok. We have new information for you. They think this is a domestic terrorist situation. And as many as ten people may have been in on the attack on a popular shrine that killed 20 and injured over 100.

Let's get right to CNN correspondent Saima Mohsin, live in Bangkok. Why do they believe it was domestic? How do they know so many were involved? Tell us.

SAIMA MOHSIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Chris, so far in the last 24 hours since we've spoken, we've been speaking to police about their investigations. They've told us that they believe this main suspect, that man in the yellow T-shirt, is -- whose name they still don't have. He's unnamed. They believe he is a foreigner.

[07:15:10] That's because we have spoken to the motorbike taxi driver that says he took him away from the crime scene, and he was speaking in a language he couldn't identify -- Thai or English.

They also believe that he had up to as many as 10 accomplices that helped him prepare the bomb, place it, and then, of course, escape the scene. And they also say, as you mentioned, that this is not part of an international terror network.

Now, of course, as you and I know from whenever there is some kind of bombing by ISIS, al Qaeda, any kind of a major terrorist organization like that, they are very quick to claim responsibility. They want to instill fear. They want to show that power and authority over people, but they have not claimed any responsibility yet. And that's why they believe it may well be some kind of domestic problem. And of course, Thailand does have a huge political issue here. And we've seen bombings here in the past but not quite on this scale -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: Certainly not at that scale. Saima, all right, thank you so much for that.

Meanwhile, breaking here in the United States this morning, three firefighters died battling a wildfire in northern Washington state. Authorities say the victims crashed in their vehicle as they were trying to extinguish the flames near Twisp and Winthrop. Four other firefighters were hurt. We're told one critically. President Obama has been briefed on the situation. In fact, he's urged his administration to stay in touch with local officials and provide federal assistance when needed.

CAMEROTA: Another police-involved shooting has the city of St. Louis on edge. Overnight, police using tear gas to disperse a crowd of demonstrators after officers fatally shot a black teenager. Let's get right to CNN's Ryan Young. He is live in St. Louis. Tell us what happened, Ryan.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, do you really want to ask that question? When will the healing begin? Of course, in this city overnight, there were some scenes, very familiar scenes. Of course, this is close to Ferguson. We'll show you some of the video that happened overnight.

Police saying they got a search -- a search warrant, and they go after an 18-year-old. And he points a gun in their direction. They open fire, killing him. They apparently said they found three stolen guns around that area, as well.

The community showed up in force, and they were very upset about what happened. And apparently, they started throwing brick and water bottles toward police officers. Police officers showed up in riot gear and tried to disperse the crowd with tear gas. Of course, that upsetting some people.

And then someone set fires to buildings throughout the area. We're told those buildings were vacant. But still you can feel the tension rising. Obviously, you can feel it through that video. And the people very upset about what happened with this 18-year-old being shot. Of course, police say they had to defend themselves; they had to get that crowd dispersed. And of course, they'll be monitoring the situation throughout the day -- Chris.

CUOMO: Thank you very much. Appreciate the reporting.

This was a real shocker. Former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle -- remember his inspirational weight loss story, made him millions as a Subway pitchman? Now he's only going to be remembered for something very different and terrible. He has admitted that he is a child predator.

CNN's Jean Casarez joins us live with the latest. I mean, in the beginning, Jean, they thought that maybe this would just be about files that somehow got into his hard drive. But this a very different situation.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chris, such serious charges. And this is the Subway guy. You know, normally, we would say that someone allegedly distributed and received child pornography, that they allegedly came to New York and engaged in child prostitution. But when you have a signed plea agreement, as CNN received a copy of, Jared Fogle is saying, "I did it."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Remember Jared from Subway?

CASAREZ (voice-over): The former wholesome spokesman for Subway sandwiches, Jared Fogle, says he is guilty as charged, admitting in federal court Wednesday to sexually exploiting a total of 14 underage victims.

JOSH MINKLER, U.S. ATTORNEY, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF INDIANA: Based on this conduct, Mr. Fogle faces a sentence of between 5 years in federal prison and 12 years in federal prison.

CASAREZ: The lurid details all spelled out in federal court documents filed Wednesday. Documents say between 2011 and April of this year, Fogle received images of minors engaging in sexually-explicit conduct from Russell Taylor, the former head of the Jared Foundation. Authorities say Taylor used hidden cameras to record minors, then sharing those images with Fogle.

JEREMY MARGOIS, JARED FOGLE'S ATTORNEY: He has already volunteered to make restitution to those individuals who have been impacted by his behavior.

CASAREZ: Documents also state in 2012, Fogle paid a 17-year-old for sex at New York's posh Plaza Hotel, later offering her a finder's fee if she would introduce him to more girls, the younger the better according to documents.

MINKLER: This is about using wealth, status and secrecy to illegally exploit children.

CASAREZ: Appearing in hundreds of Subway commercials over the years helped Jared earn an estimated $15 million.

[07:20:05] JARED FOGLE, PLEADED GUILTY TO CHILD EXPLOITATION CHARGES: This is what I used to wear.

CASAREZ: Once a role model for Americans struggling to lose weight, now required to register as a sex offender.

His wife announced in a statement Wednesday that she is filing for divorce, saying, "Obviously, I am extremely shocked and disappointed by the recent developments involving Jared. My focus is exclusively on the well-being of my children."

(END VIDEOTAPE) CASAREZ: Now Jared Fogle has not yet entered a guilty plea. He has not yet been sentenced. His attorney says, though, that he is getting treatment right now from a psychiatrist and a medical doctor.

And let's talk about the victims before we go here. He is having to pay each victim, and there are 14 victims, $100,000 each. That amounts to $1.4 million. That money is to be put into a trust agreement immediately when this is entered and filed into court, and the victims will be paid immediately. He is worth $15 million.

PEREIRA: Isn't his wife is seeking dissolution of their marriage, too? I mean...

CAMEROTA: They have two children.

PEREIRA: Yes.

CUOMO: Add that to the list of the victims, what he's done to those kids.

PEREIRA: Sure.

CUOMO: What he's done to his wife. I know people will say this is an illness, but it's tough to accept as that.

CASAREZ: And there could be other victims. At this point they don't know of any, but there could be.

CAMEROTA: Jean, thank you.

All right. Back to Donald Trump and his tough talk on Hillary Clinton as she keeps trying to get her e-mail controversy behind her. He is adamant that the scandal will cost her any chance of winning the White House. Is that right? We'll debate it.

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TRUMP: And what's the purpose of it? You know, it's always skirting the edge. What's the purpose of it? In the end she had something in mind. She didn't want people to know or something. But what is she doing and why is she doing it?

CUOMO: You think this is really going to really hurt her long-term?

TRUMP: I think it's devastating. I think it's devastating for the election, but I think her bigger problem is not the election. I think her bigger problem is going to be the criminal problem.

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CAMEROTA: All right. That was Donald Trump in a wide-ranging interview with Chris. He did not mince words on the Hillary Clinton e-mail investigation. You heard him there. He thinks there's something criminal. So let's discuss this and so much more with Carlos Watson. He's the editor in chief of Ozy.com. And Zeke Miller, political reporter for "TIME" magazine. Zeke interviewed Donald Trump for this week's "TIME" cover story. And we do have some video from that, which is very interesting, Zeke, and we'll get to in a moment.

But first, Carlos, great to have you here on set with us.

CARLOS WATSON, EDITOR IN CHIEF, OZY.COM: Good to be here.

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about Hillary Clinton and what's going on with the emails. Donald Trump said it's criminal. That's not what anybody else has said at the moment. She -- her communications director had a sit-down with Bloomberg TV. Here's where they talked about the server that had been handed over. And there's some dispute about whether or not there's any information on the server or whether or not it's been wiped clean. So listen to this moment.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I delete e-mail, I hit delete. That's all I do. That's what most Americans do when they want to delete an e-mail. So did she ask someone to do more than that or not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said her -- you know, they -- her -- she had lawyers to look at all the e-mails and decide what was personal and what was official. And she decided to not retain the personal ones. And they were deleted.

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CAMEROTA: So do we know, has the server been wiped clean of any information?

WATSON: We know they've said it's been wiped clean, but you and I also know there are digital footprints can live on forever. So there's some expectation among some that they may be able to track it down. So we're seeing...

CAMEROTA: But why would it be wiped clean? I mean, if they're handing it over for investigative purposes, why would it -- why would her lawyer or someone have wiped it clean?

WATSON: So they're claiming that what they wiped clean were personal e-mails, so not the professional e-mails, not any that might be related to either confidential matters or top secret.

CUOMO: Timing matters. When did they do the wiping? Did they do the wiping after they got the request to turn it over or before? That's relevant also.

I mean, you know, Donald Trump is using this to great effect. He -- he compared it to Petraeus. Petraeus was dealing with classified information. We know that. That's why he got prosecuted, and he wound up getting stuck. But we don't know that here.

WATSON: We don't know that. With Petraeus, the other issue is that he was the current CIA director.

CUOMO: right.

WATSON: And there was concern that he could be blackmailed, that he was still in position. Whereas with Hillary, obviously, we're looking at this several years after she stepped down as secretary of state.

But overall, not a good couple of weeks for Hillary. Poll numbers down against Bernie Sanders. Joe Biden talking about running. People even bringing up the ghost of Al Gore jumping in. Not necessarily her best week. And her people, as you saw, Jim Paul Mary (ph) and others, coming back from vacation.

But not unusual for a frontrunner at this time of the year. Still some 170 days out from Iowa.

CAMEROTA: Right, absolutely.

OK, Zeke, we have just gotten permission to unveil the "TIME" magazine interview with Donald Trump. Give us the headlines.

ZEKE MILLER, "TIME" MAGAZINE: The big headline is Donald Trump is breaking every rule in politics. And he's proud of it, and he's not going anywhere. He calls himself one of the most authentic politicians in the country, and everyone else is a phony. And in talking to him, it's easy so see why he says that. He's very...

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MILLER: He is intelligent.

CAMEROTA: This is -- this video from the interview and from the shoot, Zeke. What's -- what is happening here? Why is he holding a bald eagle?

MILLER: Because America -- you know, it's -- we wanted to get Donald Trump in sort of a more humorous setting to sort of reveal the real Donald Trump. And, you know, the real Donald Trump with a bald eagle sitting right next to him is a lot like the Donald Trump you see when you're sitting across the desk from him or the one that you see on TV.

We were trying to maybe take him a little bit out of his comfort zone. And in fact, he really -- he's unflappable.

CUOMO: No pun intended. No pun intended as he sits across from that 5-foot wingspan that could open his head like an eggshell if it wanted to.

WATSON: You know, a lot of P.T. Barnum in him, right? And we haven't had anyone this entertaining since Ross Perot. And so it will be interesting to see what happens. But Chris, I'm not just saying it because you're here. That was an excellent interview. I mean, he talked about ISIS in a fairly meaningful way. You heard him talk about China. You heard him talk about Mexico, who's going to negotiate. No matter what you say about whether or not he's willing to get into specific policy details, he's not afraid to jump in on the issues and put a little pizazz out there.

CUOMO: He's playing the game very well. He said yesterday -- and that you for that, Carlos. It is a generous assessment, and I'll take it. Thank you.

He said yesterday, "I'm a politician now." You know, he said yesterday that doesn't play as a good soundbite. He knows the game.

This morning he's going on with friends, and he's making sure that he can clean up and reclassify anything that he doesn't like about how the interview went yesterday. That's how he knows how to work the game.