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Donald Trump Vs Megyn Kelly; Lawsuit Claims Nick Gordon Poisoned Bobbi Kristina Brown. Aired 9-10:00p ET.

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DREW PINSKY, "DR. DREW", HOST: Tonight Donald Trump and the secret memo about Megyn Kelly. And Bobbi Kristina poisoned by Nick Gordon, that is

what a lawsuit claims. Plus, too young to talk, but she`s driving a car, we have the incredible video. You`re looking at it there but all of this

starts right now at the top of the feed, #bloodgate, the war of words between Megyn Kelly of Fox News and Donald Trump. She grilled him, in

effect, during the Republican presidential debate which got incredible ratings, take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATE: I get big crowds, I get ratings. They call me the ratings machine.

MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: You`ve called women you don`t like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. Your Twitter account...

TRUMP: Only Rosie O`Donnell.

DON LEMON, "CNN TONIGHT", HOST: Do you think there was an agenda on the part of Fox News to target you, and if you do, why is that?

TRUMP: Well, probably I don`t know, probably who cares I don`t really care. Certainly I don`t have a lot of respect for Megyn Kelly, she`s a

lightweight and, you know, she came out there reading a little script and trying to, you know, be tough and be sharp and when you meet her you

realize she`s not very tough and she`s not very sharp, she`s zippo.

LEMON: What is it with you and Megyn Kelly?

TRUMP: Well, I just don`t respect her as a journalist. I have no respect for her. I don`t think she`s very good, I think she`s highly overrated.

She start asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions and, you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her

wherever, but she was, in my opinion, she was off base.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Joining me, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist professor at Pepperdine University, Rolonda Watts, host of Sundays with Rolonda podcast, and Jason

Ellis, SiriusXM radio host, author of "The Awesome Guide To Life.". I also have Segun Oduolowu entertainment journalist and Kayleigh McEnany a

political commentator. So guys, Rolonda, is he still winning, Trump?

ROLONDA WATTS, "SUNDAYS WITH ROLONDA" HOST: Oh, my gosh. Listen, Trump is obviously out for blood himself but little splashed back on him this time.

I think its one thing when you have an ethnic group against you because of words you say, but when you have more than half or half of the voting

population wondering what in the world are you saying, I don`t think he necessarily meant it in the way that it was, was...

PINSKY: Well...

WATTS: ... perceived but you don`t want to give your, your opponents any ammunition.

PINSKY: Well, he`s saying that anyone thinking that he meant it that way he said we somehow have obscene and perverted.

JASI ELLIS, SIRIUSXM RADIO, HOST: I`m obscene.

PINSKY: You`d seem to be.

ELLIS: I thought he said that, that`s what he meant and back it and I think when you cop out and say that you didn`t mean that because it`s

obvious when you hear that audio he didn`t mean a nose bleed. Very obvious and stand up for what you said, it shows me a weak spot.

PINSKY: Carly Fiorina really kind of nailed it then she said look we all as women knew what it meant and we know that means...

JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right.

PINSKY: ... about him.

HO: That`s right.

PINSKY: It`s saying that we`re on our periods we can`t effectively lead, come on.

HO: And the subtleties of the context in which she spoke, you know, the tone, don`t say that from the -- that it`s her ears, her mouth. It`s not,

it`s really a slam on the female identity. So and he`s actually criticized female leaders all throughout time. This isn`t the only time.

PINSKY: But he got -- he doesn`t just criticize...

HO: Right.

PINSKY: ... female he criticize...

HO: Sure.

PINSKY: ... everybody. You`re stupid, you`re incompetent, and you`ve known him forever...

WATTS: Yeah.

PINSKY: Is it any different?

WATTS: He hasn`t changed one bit...

PINSKY: Right.

WATTS: ... he even when you say when people constantly ask him, will you ask those types of questions if you`re the president he goes, well, no.

Now that part I don`t believe, Don. That that part I don`t believed I think you`ll consistently be who he is and that has worked for him

tremendously up to this point.

HO: And I think the difference is when he is on "The Apprentice" that`s funny but now that he`s a presidential candidate, it`s another bar.

PINSKY: But it`s not listen you guys do not underestimate the crowd that`s gathering behind him. It`s like the movie network remember that movie, I`m

mad as hell., I`m not going to take anymore if you like, yeah I go with you I`m not feeling the same way, Segun?

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, ENTERNAINTMENT JOURNALIST: Yeah I just don`t understand why people are surprised that a man who does beauty pageants has a twisted

view of women I mean this is par for the course. So everybody knew what he meant, what I`m puzzled by is, the people are still supporting him, like

you said Dr. Drew, he made a comment that I think everyone knew what he was going after and they`re still supporting him.

If you look at the polls from that debate, a lot of people are saying he came in second. He`s the only voice that we are hearing, he`s the only

face we recognize and until people realize that what`s coming out of his mouth is really hurtful and scapegoating to a lot of people -- Mexicans,

blacks, women.

PINBSKY: Yeah but...

ODUOLOWU: . come to realization.

PINSKY: ... scapegoating is what he`s using in an effective way. Kayleigh, my question is, did Fox make a mistake by scapegoating him? They

seemed so concerned about supporting the Republican agenda that if that deluded by an independent candidate you`re completely freaked out about it.

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No, that`s not true if you go back and watch the debate, Fox asked really hard-hitting questions right

out of the gate. They went after Ben Carson who is a very conservative candidate.

[21:05:02] They asked all the candidates really tough questions and it was completely fair game what they asked Mr. Trump, because if Fox News isn`t

asking Mr. Trump these questions, Hillary Clinton is going to be asking him these questions in the three national debates across the states in the

general election.

PINSKY: No.

MCENANY: Fox did an outstanding job.

PINSKY: This I thought -- yeah I agree, their questions their rather amazing and their controlling 15 people up there is an unbelievable task.

So this afternoon one of the fox news hosts tweeted Trump is going to be on with him tomorrow morning. Quote -- and by the way, as I think about Fox

News. CNN gets the next one and I`m sure they`ll do equally as good in idea, but a good in job doing -- handling this. This is Fox News anchor

said quote, "Watch as GOP front-runner Donald Trump talks about his relationship with us", meaning Fox News. So, Kayleigh, is that the place

for him to go?

MCENANY: Yeah I mean I think so he can go there he can go CNN wherever I think he needs to address this, because if anything Fox has been more fair

to him. He had 36 appearances on Fox News.

Jeb Bush has had just three. He`s had a great platform on Fox and I think he needs to measure back some of the criticism of the network.

PINSKY: And what better than Howard Stern, Jason you`re my buddy and he tweeted a link to a 2010 Howard Stern interview with Megyn Kelly. Howard

was interviewing Megyn during which they discussed interesting topics. Take a look.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

HOWARD STERN, RADIO HOST: Would you ever get implants?

KELLY: I don`t think so.

STERN: Those are real breasts?

KELLY: Yeah, these are real. I mean, they don`t look fake, please.

STERN: Wow.

KELLY: You what`s finny is when I got pregnant...

STERN: You`re a C cup, aren`t you? You are?

KELLY: My husband calls them killer Bs.

STERN: Other Bs. They look like Cs to me don`t they?

KELLY: We used to call them killer Bs and then and when I became pregnant they were swimming Cs and Doug was frolicking in the ocean.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

WATTS: What?

ELLIS: It happens, I`m told.

PINSKY: All right, next up, we`ll continue the conversation and later a child too young to talk drives a car on a dangerous roadway. You`ve got to

see this video to believe it cannot talk but she can drive the car. Mom is videoing from the passenger seat. Be right back after this.

YASMIN VOSSOUGHIAN, THE DAILY SHARE, ANCHOR: I`m Yasmin Vossoughian with the Daily Share at this hour. KFC sales have been slipping in China so the

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Also the makers of the rumba just got the official go for a robot lawn mower. The STC reported that`s a rumba it can go ahead and build a hands-

free lawn moving robot, you`ve put sticks on the ground outlining where the mode, no word on when this might be commercially available.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. I`ve been challenged by so many people and I don`t frankly have

time for total political correctness. And, frankly, what I say and oftentimes its fun, it`s kidding. We have a good time. What I say is what

I say, and honestly, Megyn, if you don`t like it, I`m sorry. I`ve been very nice to you although I could probably maybe not be based on the way

you have treated me but I wouldn`t do that.

UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Donald trump is a straight shooter. And when people say because of his beef with Kelly that he has an issue with all women I

think it`s absolutely ridiculous. I think they we`re cherry picking, right now. And there`s something that he`s connecting with. That`s why he`s

leading in the polls.

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PINSKY: Of course part of that tape was from the debate on Fox News. I`m back with Judy, Rolonda, Jason, Segun and Kayleigh. Donald Trump is doing

also all the polls in the CNN/ORC Poll Trump is at 18 percent, Jeb Bush 15 percent, Scott Walker 10 percent. The NBC Wall Street Journal poll Trump

is 19 percent, Walker 15 percent, Bush 14 percent. I would take comment or question from the audience. Yes, ma`am, go ahead?

UNIDENTIIED FEMALE: Yes, hi. I wanted to say I`m going to play devil`s advocate and I think Trump is absolutely brilliant. And by that I mean he

has an opinion, he backs what he says, and I think that he is actually in the best position to lead our country.

PINSKY: Well that is what people are responding to.

UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: Right.

PINSKY: They`re responding to the bombast, they`re responding to his narcissistic, inflammatory rhetoric. And I think -- I actually think

Jason, I`m so curious what you feel. You I mean you have not lived your entire life in this country.

ELLIS: You`re saying, you`re calling me a foreigner on T.V.

PINSKY: Basically, it`s.

ELLIS: I may -- I came here to make it. This is the only place worth living. That`s what I was told anyway.

PINSKY: And are you persuaded by Mr. Trump`s rhetoric?

ELLIS: No. No. I can`t take him seriously. He has to come over that he denies is a come over.

PINSKY: Is there anything that...

ELLIS: He`s lying to me of that stuff.

PINSKY: Does it saying anything about us, the Americans that we are so excited by the rhetoric.

ELLIS: It says more about the other people he`s competing. I watched the whole thing because I was in Mexico and everyone else speaks in Spanish on

every other channel. I love Spanish but I couldn`t understand it so I was watching this thing with.

PINSKY: You love those people the way Donald Trump does?

ELLIS: Yeah I never seen that whole thing with all the over log I`m going to do it I can`t understand why we`re keep sort of pretend that the other

guys that it used to be president. Why are you doing that? Somebody else invented that?

PINSKY: This?

ELLIS: What is that? You`re not the guy who started that. Why are you pretending to be the other guy that does that I like Trump because he had

new hands. He didn`t do that. He did this.

WATTS: But I tell you what I heard on the news all day today was people studying his body language.

PINSKY: Yeah.

WATTS: .. studying his facial expression.

PINSKY: Those are our people.

WATTS: He`s a fascinating person.

HO: Yeah.

PINSKY: He is a fascinating person and we`re sort of mesmerized as though he`s like a shiny object. And I think he`s -- his looking you have to be a

narcissist to be a leader.

WATTS: Right.

PINSKY: And I think he`s exaggerating those qualities. You want to make a follow-up question or comment, go ahead?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I was going to say I mean I think that he`s a person that the other countries will finally respect. I think we`ve come

across as soft in the recent past and I think the other countries are actually going to respect him.

PINSKY: That`s what people are saying. Kayleigh.

UNIDENTIFED FEMALE: He`s a good businessmen and you know.

PINSKY: And he has been successful, his been a hard negotiator. Kayleigh, are we responding to something real here or is it just rhetoric again?

MCENANY: No doubt about it that we`re responding to something real. I mean you look at Donald Trump and he`s brought attention to really

important issues, illegal immigration, gun-free zones on military bases. We`ve seen these problems come to fruition in the murder of Kate Steinle or

the Chattanooga shooting. So he`s acknowledging some of the mess that I think we will see left over from the Obama administration. But the problem

is I don`t know what his solutions are. I hear him pointing out the mess but then I see him engage in these ad hominem attacks.

[21:15:02] You can`t.

PINSKY: But, Kayleigh.

MCENANY: . here`s the problem by calling someone stupid.

PINSKY: Here`s his solution, I`m smart and I`m going to fix it, I`m going to -- no, no, my fixes will be huge. They`ll be huge. Which is hashtag

now Y-U-G-E.

MCENANY: Yeah.

PINSKY: Go ahead.

HO: Well, Dr. Drew, what people are responding to is what we call a productive narcissism.

PINSKY: Yeah. Yeah.

HO: So it`s this idea that narcissists actually have these great qualities that in a turbulent time like we`re experienced right now in America.

PINSKY: They can be great leaders.

HO: . we respond -- exactly.

PINSKY: Yeah.

HO: I mean people even say Mahatma Gandhi was.

PINSKY: Yeah.

HO: . a productive narcissist. However of course there is the other side of things just as you pointed out. They grow increasingly believing of

their own infallibility like they`re never going to fail they always have the solution and they get isolated and distrustful of others.

PINSKY: But Judy, that`s why I think he`s amplifying a part of his personality that I don`t think we`re going to see carry through this entire

campaign. I think he`s exaggerating that part of it because people are responding to that. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People really want to talk about the real issues and for me as a woman to have some women completely made up go after this

comment about he`s -- you see him on "The Apprentice." Men and women are competing equally. I want the issue to be about health care for women.

And if it means we have to talk about period to do it and bring on the red because it`s not comparable.

PINSKY: Hash tag red flag.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And let`s talk about poverty and how the middle class has fallen out. And if Trump can bring some more school to that, let`s go

with it.

PINSKY: Now you mentioned Megyn Kelly and she addressed Trump`s comments just moments ago on our Fox News program so I have not seen this yet. She

just said this. Let`s take a look at what she said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MEGYN KELLY: Apparently, Mr. Trump thought the question I asked was unfair and felt that was attacking him. I felt he was asked a tough but fair

question. We agreed to disagree. Mr. Trump did interviews over the weekend that attacked me personally. I`ve decided not to respond. Mr.

Trump is an interesting man who has captured the attention of the electorate. That`s why he`s leading in the polls.

Trump, who is the frontrunner, will not apologize. And I will certainly will not apologize for doing good journalism. So I`ll continue doing my

job without fear or favor.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: All right. Well, there`s her response. Segun, what do you say?

ODOULOWU: I feel like I need to take a shower after hearing some of this comments that he`s the best equip to run the country or that he`s going to

address poverty. He`s a billionaire. What does he know about the poor and middle class? He hasn`t been poor or middle class ever. He was born into

a fortune.

So when people make these comments because he strikes a nerve within them, what I fear is the nerve that`s being struck has nothing to do with

intelligence. It has nothing to do with what`s best for the country. It`s at a visceral level. He`s scapegoating an enemy that I can now put on

except on my though blame a Mexican person for the poverty instead of what`s really going on.

PINSKY: Jason -- hold that idea. Let Jason.

ELLIS: I`m just blown away by that lady saying she has no response and responding. I`m not going to say anything even though I`m just responding

right now on television.

PINSKY: I have no response I`m just so curious -- how many presidential cycles have you been through?

ELLIS: Now it wasn`t star, it was actor guy he was gone before I lived here. It was I like McDonald`s guy and the cigar guy.

HO: Who are the.

PINSKY: You`ve always taken it very seriously.

ELLIS: I don`t even remember that.

HO: (inaudible)

ELLIS: . he`s a cigar thing and that he likes McDonald`s thanks to "Saturday Night Live." I don`t -- which we call different.

PINSKY: No, it`s Clinton.

ELLIS: Yeah, Clinton.

PINSKY: Yeah.

ELLIS: I just trying to get you to use your brain a little bit. Let`s guess some stuff?

PINSKY: Have you been --

ELLIS: I never took them serious. I never watched until this one.

PINSKY: Are you going to watch this more carefully?

ELLIS: I didn`t think -- I don`t think that Trump is going to be president. I see it is he`s getting that whole party to look a little more

interesting until the smart one rises.

PINSKY: Who do you think that`s going to be?

ELLIS: The one that kept doing that with the slight high.

PINSKY: Get an audience question, yes?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, I seriously think Donald Trump is really delusional in thinking he can actually win with the old mind-set of the

like the 1960`s, you know, his just making fun of women and pretty much blaming Mexicans for the United States` problems. And also I think it`s

the media`s fault for giving him too much attention because they -- the media loves the ratings and seriously it makes you forgets there`s other

people running for president.

WATTS: But you know at the end of the day it`s about the American people.

PINSKY: Yeah.

WATTS: It`s not about what Donald Trump does.

PINSKY: No, it`s us.

WATTS: He`s doing what he does.

PINSKY: Yeah.

HO: Right.

WATTS: Now it`s about America, what do we do? How do we cut the wheat from the shade? How are we going to choose our next leader? It`s up to us

not the media.

ODOULOWU: That`s too easy statement because what that gentleman said is right. If we`re only putting the loudest voice on the air all we`re ever

going to hear, the American people, is Donald Trump.

WATTS: Well there are those who wonder if we`ve been fair.

PINSKY: His voice got on the air because of his.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: . poll ratings and his rhetoric.

ODOULOWU: But that`s right, 34 times on Fox.

PINSKY: But I`m just saying if people are behind it that`s why the story keeps going but, Kayleigh, I want to give you a last chance. Go ahead.

MCENANY: I just wanted to respond to what Segun said, he said that one of the problems Donald Trump can`t resonate with people because he`s a

billionaire.

[21:20:06] By that logic Hillary Clinton, very well off, also can`t resonate with the American people not only person who can is Marco Rubio

who`s actually lived paycheck to paycheck.

ODUOLOWU: What Hillary Clinton start offer it. Let`s back that down.

PINSKY: It`s not on poor even.

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ODUOLOWU: Starting all poor and inheriting a real estate fortune from your father is really different. Being a reality T.V. star and going to an Ivy

League School, being the first lady, being a senator to New York, please don`t ask about her bona fides compared to Donald Trump he run it to run a

government.

HO: People go by their feelings. People do not vote on logic. What gets them to the polls is that visceral feeling we`re all talking about.

ODUOLOWU: Then they deserve what they getting. If you want to have a beer with your president, I drink with people that who are degenerates and

should never run a country. I want somebody smarter than me, better than me and I want to elect a person that I can be proud of. Donald Trump has

said nothing that we can be proud of.

PINSKY: It`s so interesting to hear this thing rhetoric that was tossed lot about Ronald Reagan. I remember that so vividly the exact same kind of

thinking was going on. And then there was that actor impossible. No way.

WATTS: No.

PINSKY: I remember the day before the election. I remember that Dan Rather exchange with the pollster where he was arguing with the poll

saying, it`s impossible. What are you telling us is couldn`t possibly be. That was Ronald Reagan. It was impossible for someone like that. But just

keep in your mind sometimes people with great judgment and good leadership skills and great intuition or success keeps good people around them and

that`s sometimes more important than anything else.

Next up, Nick Gordon accused of giving Bobbi Kristina quote, a toxic cocktail. We`ll get to that more after this.

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HO: Nick Gordon came home from this all night cocaine and drinking binge and then watched this camera footage of Bobbi Kristina where apparently he

heard a conversation that she had with a friend saying, Nick Gordon wasn`t the man that she thought he was, and that`s when the lawsuit says that they

got into this loud argument.

The lawsuit claims that Gordon gave Bobbi Kristina this toxic cocktail rendering her unconscious and then put her face down in a tub of cold water

causing her to suffer brain damage, got in bed and laid his head on some female guest`s ankle. Another woman who is in the house and stated, now I

want a pretty little while girl like you.

ODUOLOWU: Was Nick Gordon the one who caused this? We`re going to try and find out. Did she -- I mean I heard one of our HLN correspondent say a

beautiful soul. She abused drugs.

PINSKY: Shocking details in this lawsuit file by the family Bobbi Kristina Brown and claims Nick Gordon the suit here in my hand a physically attacked

her, stole her money and recorded her every move, ultimately contributing to or directly causing her death.

Back with Jodi, Roland, Jason and Segun joining us now Areva Martin, attorney and legal analyst and Sunny Hostin, CNN legal analyst.

Nick Gordon`s lawyer has called this suit slanderous, they say its fictitious assault against the person who loved Krissy most. Areva are you

buying that?

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL ANALYST: I am really shocked Dr. Drew at some of the allegations contained in this lawsuit, things we`ve not heard

before, great details about what happened that morning and if they are to be believed Nick Gordon is in serious trouble and likely will face some

kind of criminal prosecution.

PINSKY: Now this is a civil suit don`t have the same standard as a criminal suit. What do you think they`re going to offer as evidence? Do

they don`t have a good -- do they have witnesses? Do they have some forensic evidence? We don`t know.

MARTIN: From the level of detail it sounds as if they have witnesses who were in the house at the time all of this incidents occurred, there may be

surveillance tape, there may have been a private investigator hired by the family and although the legal standard is different, lawyers still have an

obligation to make sure that when they file a lawsuit like the one in your hands that there`s some substantial evidence to support their allegations

which means they can`t just make baseless allegations in a lawsuit.

WATTS: And Georgia is very tough with that. So they must have something.

PINSKY: What are they going to get out of this case?

WATTS: I don`t know.

MARTIN: They`re going to get a lot Dr. Drew. And you`re a lawsuits, as a lawyer, we often file lawsuits for multiple purposes and even individuals

who are judgment proof, individuals who don`t have a lot of money like presumably Nick Gordon doesn`t the lawsuit serves many purposes. It can

complicate his life, have him tied up in court for many years, make any money that he earns in the future very difficult for him to access and

provide information to the district attorney that may be looking at filing some kind of criminal action against Nick Gordon.

PINSKY: Sunny, I want to get you into this conversation, do you agree with what Areva is saying there?

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN ANALYST: I really do, I mean what was shocking to me is the level of detail that was, you know, outlined in this lawsuit and

attorneys definitely have to have some sort of evidence in order to meet this kind of burden.

PINSKY: I mean presumably, Sunny, presumably they`re going to have the woman who is foot he laid on and made that comment, presumably they`ll have

people who saw the tooth knocked out or saw the violence before right they`re going to have to have that kind evidence in order to make this

things stick at all.

HOSTIN: Well, that`s true but they have to have more. I mean the allegations that he went into the bathroom and put her facedown into the

tub, someone that witnessed that would have witnessed a murder.

MARTIN: Exactly.

HOSTIN: And so I`m just -- I`m very, very shocked at the level of detail, Dr. Drew, you know from the very beginning this family has indicated that

they thought Nick Gordon was responsible for her injuries, that when she arrived at the hospital she had missing teeth. When she arrived at the

hospital she had bruises that were consistent with a struggle.

They told me this from the very beginning in January but this level of detail quite frankly is very new. I`ve reached out to the family. They

haven`t responded. They haven`t indicated how they got this level of detail but, my goodness, they must have something in order to have brought

this kind of suit with this kind of detail.

PINSKY: Jason your look concerned.

ELLIS: Witnessing you put a girl facedown in water and then you don`t lift the face out of the water? Don`t you go to jail for murder as well if you

were there?

PINSKY: Accessory, yes.

ELLIS: I don`t understand that were even.

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PINSKY: And she had a history of falling allegedly a history of falling asleep in the bathtub after taking pills so this is not the first time this

is happened. You would think someone might have committed something by not helping her.

WATTS: Right. But they.

PINSKY: . toxic cocktail?

WATTS: There were details down to what surprised me, a dust pan found in the bathtub. I mean, just - so this - so, who is looking at all of this?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

WATTS: . who didn`t stop what was life threatening for this young woman?

PINSKY (?): That`s.

(CROSSTALK)

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL ANALYST: One thing to note, Dr. Drew, is that this lawsuit has been amended, so these weren`t the original

allegations in the first lawsuit that was filed that primarily talked about domestic violence and talked about Nick Gordon trying to...

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: I thought - I thought we`ve covered this before, right. I remember this all sounded very familiar and then I read this one. I thought why

isn`t this murder? Why isn`t this murder?

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: This is an amended lawsuit with new allegations and they the -- the murder allegations weren`t in that first lawsuit. So, we`re hearing these

allegations about her head being held in the - at the tub. First time in the new suit.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I -- I completely agree with Ms. Areva here. The previous allegations that were mentioned are they`re physical, they`re.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: . and, also, not to mention, he -- it`s apparent that he clearly did not love her. He like - he aligned cameras in her house.

He, you know, pushed her against the sofa, all of this in the suit that you`re holding.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Well, you`re - you`re right and Judy that what was detailed in this suit is what we call interpersonal terrorism. This - it`s.

WATTS (?): That`s right.

PINSKY: . it`s what Jodi Arias did to her - the boyfriend.

JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right.

PINSKY: I forget (ph) his name, but - but it`s controlling to the point of being a terrorist.

(CROSSTALK)

HO: That`s right and these types of things don`t happen overnight either.

(CROSSTALK)

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I think - I think, you know, we`ve got to be very clear that these are allegations.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO (?): Right, right.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Witnesses

WATTS: No, absolutely.

(CROSSTALK)

HOSTIN: We don`t know that this happened.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Yes.

HOSTIN: . but these are the allegations.

PINSKY: Got it, Sunny. Thank you.

WATTS: And even if you have a history of beating somebody.

HO: Right.

WATTS: . you`re not going to choose that. Does that mean you also kill them?

PINSKY: Right (ph).

HO: Yes.

WATTS: They`re going to have to prove that was that happened.

HO: Right. Well, these types of things don`t happen overnight. This type of interpersonal terrorism develops over time, and that`s.

SEGUN ODUNLOWA, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: Yes.

HO: . what happened. It`s a foot in the door issue where a little bit by little bit, she`s like letting him take over and before you know.

PINSKY (?): If that`s enough.

HO: . if that`s what happened and then before you know it, she`s set up the - the cameras are set up to surveil her, but most of these cases, Dr.

Drew, can actually go -- if there`s a strong heat that she said, too, right, a lot of that is just based on testimony. If they have credible

witness, let`s say, "We saw a certain piece of this information," they could have put together the rest brought that.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTS: But when you talk about a he said/she said, keep in mind that Bobbi Kristina is dead.

HO: Right.

WATTS: So, we`re never going to hear from her what happened. The lawyer could only have these allegations, can only make them because someone has

communicated them to the attorney. The attorney.

HO: Right.

WATTS: . wasn`t there. The attorney is not an eyewitness. So, someone in that house or some piece of very, very substantial evidence had to be made

available to that lawyer to make those specific allegations. She couldn`t just make this up out of whole cloth.

PINSKY: And I want to focus here, I received a tweet, if you guys put that tweet back up that focuses in on something Segun has been saying about the

people around Bobbi Kristina. Here it`s Bonnie, she tweeted, quote, "It`s the lifestyle this poor girl was raised in. Abuse and drugs is all she

knew. Nick was a junkie, but you can`t tell me she wasn`t using, too." I think, you know, it`s laying (ph) the blame on the victim.

HO: Yeah.

PINSKY: . over there, but your point - your point has been there`s a lot going on around her.

ODUNLOWA: The whole situation is said from jump is very,very ugly, like Jason said, if -- how are you getting that kind of detailed information

where you`re saying you saw a murder happened and all you`re doing now is reporting months after the fact when she was lying.

PINSKY: And.

ODUNLOWA: . in a vegetative state.

(CROSSTALK)

JASON ELLIS, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: That`s he`s going to go out with the white girl moments after he dropped (ph) her face?

ODUNLOWA: Yes.

HO (?): Right.

(CROSSTALK)

ELLIS: Who is in that room? Right.

HO (?): Yes.

ELLIS: They all need to be charged the exact amount as him. Who is that disgusting and lets him say that if, allegedly, did happen.

HO (?): Right.

ELLIS: How are you sealing the room? How are you not - 911 right now and going, he just said that.

ODUNLOWA: Yeah.

HO (?): Yeah.

ELLIS: He just - there`s none of that. He just leaves (ph) me allegedly bragged about dating a white girl after he murdered his wife. This is

insanity. No one.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Insanity, completely.

ELLIS: I don`t know if he ever did that.

PINSKY: We will continue this conversation later. A little girl behind the wheel not only drives the car but then parks it. Tiny little girl can --

allegedly can`t even talk. Back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[21:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nick Gordon who had been living with Bobbi Kristina took part in this violent attack on her claiming that he made her this

toxic cocktail that caused her to sustain a profound brain injury.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nick Gordon, he has a lot of explaining to do.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This family has been clear from the very beginning that they suspected foul play.

The defendant lunged onto Bobbi Kristina while she sat on the living room couch, hitting her so hard in the face that the couch actually broke

knocking her to the floor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who is to blame for - for - for her - for what happened for losing such a beautiful soul? I think all eyes are on Nick Gordon.

PINSKY: On Facebook, a friend posted a tribute to Bobbi Kristina after her death. Nick Gordon then comment on post saying, quote, "We will have our

own service remembering and honoring Krissi. Only real family that actually was there for her will attend."

Back to Judy, Rolanda, Jason, Areva and Segun. I don`t know what he`s talking about. He`s - we saw him in that "Dr. Phil" episode. He was not a

well kid.

ODUNLOWA: He`s a nutbag.

PINSKY: Yeah.

ODUNLOWA: But that statement that he made is really interesting. The real family that was there for her, because I`ve been saying on the show for the

longest time.

PINSKY: Yes.

ODUNLOWA: . that her blood family that allowed her to basically fall victim to this maniacal craziness, where were they? Where was her dad? Where they

were - you know, like.

(APPLAUSE)

.. everybody want to say, "Oh, he suffered." You lost your wife you`re your daughter almost in the same way and you`re out performing, like there is a

sickness in that family.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: Well, well, wait a minute.

(CROSSTALK)

ODUNLOWA: . that people aren`t addressing.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: . Segun. Wait a minute. He`s out working. It`s really not fair to talk about he`s outperforming like he was at a club, having a party or

something. The guy is an entertainer, so he has to work. But I do agree with you there`s a lack of accountability.

(CROSSTALK)

ODUNLOWA: Let Bobby.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: Well, first of all.

(CROSSTALK)

ODUNLOWA: . what else Bobby Brown record (ph) before.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: . well, wait a minute.

ODUNLOWA: He doesn`t entertain anymore.

MARTIN: Well, he has to do what he can do to make whatever money he can make, may not be big money but he has to support his family and he has a

new baby. But I do want to call out the lawyers in the case because.

PINSKY: Oh, I love that. Thank you for that one.

[21:40:00] MARTIN: . yes and you know, just as upset as you are about the family, I want to know where were the attorneys? This is family that has

access to the highest paid legal counsel bar none in the country. And we`re hearing about all of these horrific allegations after this young lady is

dead.

And what is the district attorney in that county doing? If the civil lawyer has that information about head down in the tub, what is the D.A. doing

with this information, if it`s real information? I want to see something happen. I think we all do with respect.

PINSKY: Yeah.

MARTIN: . to everyone that was involved in that.

PINSKY: Ho?

(APPLAUSE)

HO: And you know, this is the issue because they took so long to get to this phase. They`re just starting up - beginning part of the grieving

process where they are getting angry and starting to talk about explain why this happened to her. For the last several months, they were preoccupied

with hoping to bring her back, right?

And so this was part of the issue. They were not at this phase. Now they`re trying to figure it out and this is why everything is coming in so late.

But my concern, of course, is later on.

MARTIN (?): Well, I don`t know, but you said, Judy.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Yeah.

(CROSSTALK)

HO: But that`s - but that`s the grieving process. That`s but they haven`t - they haven`t started.

ODUNLOWA (?): But this is to retaliate (ph).

HO: . grieving until now.

MARTIN: He has a separate lawyer that`s been appointed to her to represent her interest by the court. So, that lawyer is an objective person

professional there. So, you can`t walk (ph) the lawyer in the same category with a family.

(CROSSTALK)

HO: But they still have to get the family that`s grieving. (CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With information.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: That lawyer has an obligation to support and represent Bobbi Kristina.

(CROSSTALK)

HO: But the attorney has to get that information.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: What has the legal system been doing to protect this young lady and now to fight for her given this horrific allegations. We have to ask that

question.

HO: But if the family is not providing the information because they have other priorities, maybe that`s the live cam (ph) yet.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: I don`t - aren`t you give the family.

(CROSSTALK)

HO: . just going in there..

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: Who is going to give a.

(CROSSTALK)

HO: . and pass their laws (ph), right?

MARTIN: . are you going to give a pass - so, if someone killed your daughter, I don`t care what kind of grief you`re in, you don`t want that

person brought to justice and what -- brought to justice immediately.

ELLIS: And Bobby (ph) stopped grieving.

PINSKY: Right.

(APPLAUSE)

HO: Right.

ELLIS: They just did - to have fun.

(APPLAUSE)

HO: But if the family is not cooperating and giving information, where will they get those interviews from? Where will they get the testimonies?

Where will they get those depositions?

WATTS: And you also have the medical examiner who didn`t find anything shaky or suspicious with this. So.

PINSKY: That was so far later though.

ELLIS (?): Far later.

WATTS: Yeah.

PINSKY: Yeah.

(CROSSTALK)

ODUNLOWA: Could we - could the grieving process - could all of this be retaliatory? Could they basically be filing a lawsuit because they feel

guilty that they let their daughter die, that let their family member fall victim? Because $10 million to a guy they know who`s broke seems - seems --

somewhat silly, and I know that there are legal reasons of why they do it but it seems something - it seems like they`re trying to squeeze blood out

of a stone because they feel guilty and somewhat culpable for letting them -- this girl die on their watch.

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t think Nick Gordon had anything to do with this because today is actually the fourth anniversary of the day my mom passed

away, and I know the emotions and everything that I went through. I would have drowned myself in a tub or wanted to jump out of a window. I went

through so much that I know that she probably felt the same way after losing her mom. I was an only child, too, and that bond that they had, that

I don`t think Nick Gordon had anything to do with how she felt.

PINSKY: So, you say, you`re saying your point is that she was already unraveling and that was more to do with her drug and alcohol history.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly.

PINSKY: . and her recent grieving of her mom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. Coupled with her already having a drug and alcohol problem and that strong tight bond she had with her mom. Those two

things coming together I don`t think there was any other way that this could have ended.

PINSKY: Would you - would you - oh my goodness. That`s kind of powerful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

PINSKY: . statement.\ UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

PINSKY: Yes. Ma`am, we`re all sorry for that my dear (ph). I`m glad you`re here and seem well. I -- I wonder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m OK.

PINSKY: . if there`s anyone else, though, that should be held, basically their hand to the fire a little bit in that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her father?

PINSKY: . well, for not having stepped in on her addictive disease because that`s what killed her.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: How can you be an addict and step in and save.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Father.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: . somebody from addiction.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. He`s got his own issue there.

(APPLAUSE)

PINSKY: Well, I`ve seen it, by the way. But the problem sometimes addicts defer their own issues and focus on somebody else. I mean, that happens.

You`re not going to do an effective job, but at least you can address it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

PINSKY: I know, you`re going to say this.

HO: Yes, absolutely. I mean, sometimes the addicts...

PINSKY: And we don`t know he might have tried.

HO: That`s right. That`s - that`s true, too. And I don`t think it`s solely his job. There`s obviously other people in her life as well who - and,

again, sometimes this happens with celebrities. People are - maybe afraid to step in. They don`t want to get pushed away. If they say something that

Bobbi Kristina didn`t like and so I don`t know what kind of people are around here from daily basis aside from Nick.

PINSKY: I`ll give you another tweet that was, again, pointing the finger to Nick a little bit, quote, "It looks really suspicious that he was present

for both Whitney`s death and Bobbi Kristina`s."

ELLIS (?): Oh, come on.

HO: Why is that suspicious?

PINSKY: Well, at least Rolanda, this was - the whole situation was a, you know, mess.

WATTS: Yeah. A hot mess. It`s been a mess for - for a while and - and I think that, you know, what all families go through there`s that - that arc

of mourning and there`s a lot of anger, and I think what we`re seeing more is the disarray within this family.

HO: Right.

WATTS: And whether it`s holding responsibility or blaming somebody for not having the responsibility, there is some serious dysfunction just within

the family itself, and then you add this, it`s already just horrible situation.

[21:44:50] PINSKY: What is the famous quote? Is it whole star (ph) that you gained? Do you have paraphrasing healthy families are healthy in one

way but this - I`m paraphrasing but sick - unhealthy families are myriad of ways they`re presenting. And when I see this whole story, I just see the

story of addiction writ large (ph) and a reminder that it`s a deadly -- potentially deadly process. This doesn`t have to happen. So much of what we

report here is disorder - is behavior and horrible outcomes that needn`t have happened and this is just another one of those.

Coming up, this girl needs a pacifier, but she still is driving a car not because she`s an adult using a pacifier. Apparently, she can barely use

language, but she can drive a car. You will see that after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(APPLAUSE)

PINSKY: Time for Click Fix, well, my guests tell me what is trending on their Twitter, Facebook and Instagram feed. And Judy, you are number one.

[21:50:00] HO: OK. Well, this is another naked story because you like those, apparently. Lots of reports.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: I do or you do? You`d want to report that.

HO: Hey, no. This is the first time I`ve ever had to report a naked story. I just heard them. This is a video of a naked man running down a busy Ohio

Interstate, and it`s gone viral already with 40,000 views. This man is 44 years old. He`s suspected of causing a seven-car accident that sent six

people to the hospital.

PINSKY: Oh, no.

WATTS: Oh, my God.

(LAUGHTER)

HO: I know. Eyewitnesses said that he fled from the crash site naked as police chased him.

PINSKY: Wait, wait, was he like in one of the vehicles and jumped out naked or we don`t know?

HO: Yes. He said that his brakes gave out.

PINSKY: Oh.

HO: So, he had to get out real quick and since he wasn`t wearing clothes, didn`t have time to put on his clothes.

PINSKY: And his air conditioning cut out as well.

(LAUGHTER)

HO: And he`s pleading not guilty to all charges because he`s hey, he was just trying to save his own life.

PINSKY: Look the cop running after him with this - with the Billy club out. That`s was crazy.

HO: I don`t know. Well, the judge, he actually says, he has a history of drug abuse and burglary.

PINSKY: Oh, shocking.

HO: So, this is a guy who has a record.

PINSKY: Yeah.

HO: So, there we go.

PINSKY: I just see Drew Stimels (ph) when I see that.

(LAUGHTER)

ELLIS: I just wish you were naked more often, Drew.

(LAUGHTER)

PINSKY: Thank you, Jason. It would be so kind - it would be so sweet. Right.

ELLIS: I know that we have a thing like secretly not on television but, you know.

PINSKY: I know.

ELLIS: I just wish we could consummate.

PINSKY: Yeah.

ELLIS: . here on television. Hey, like just pull off the freeway and just, you know, get naked.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Jason, do you have a Click Fix?

ELLIS: I have got tons of them.

(LAUGHTER)

I got - I got one. It`s actually a friend of mine. Steve-O.

PINSKY: Why don`t - yeah.

ELLIS: Yeah, we`re friends seem - we know - we`re like this.

PINSKY: Yeah.

ELLIS: And - but I don`t really wish to see him naked because I`ve seen it too many times but Steve-O is not a fan of SeaWorld and the free.

PINSKY: Yeah.

ELLIS: . what he was doing. He`s up there - he`s up on this crane. A 100 feet on the crane.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh.

PINSKY: God.

ELLIS: With inflatable, what.

PINSKY: A killer whale.

ELLIS: It`s called Shammy.

PINSKY: Shamu.

ELLIS: Shamu.

PINSKY: Shamu, yeah.

ELLIS: Yes, that`s one of those inflatables (ph).

PINSKY: You can see the SeaWorld killer whale on his back. Look out, I can`t.

ELLIS: And he got -- I think the thing that anyone has a beef with this is the 85 fires (ph) and 30 police officers that responded.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh.

ELLIS: . because of him trying to get this message across.

PINSKY: But how did anybody see him up there? I mean, he stepped (ph).

ELLIS: He lit fireworks off the top of it.

PINSKY: Oh.

ELLIS: Yeah, yeah, he thought about it. He`s really good. Look I don`t know - I feel like because - I mentioned on my show today and someone said,

"What about all the police and fire - the fire brigade being there? I`m like, what about police escorting the Kardashians somewhere? I wish they

were fighting crime instead of following them around all day. At least this one was for a good cause.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s true.

(APPLAUSE)

PINSKY: Steve-O has not been - he`s been unyielding on his SeaWorld message.

ELLIS: I love it. SeaWorld is - I mean, not the devil, but it`s a very evil organization, if anybody has seen the documentary the "Blackfish."

PINSKY: The "Blackfish."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

ELLIS: I mean, we all know, it`s been proven that dolphins have the intelligence of a 5-year-old and you watch that documentary. You will not

go to SeaWorld ever again. I recommend to everybody, do not go. Go Steve-O.

WATTS: And that`s so popular - so popular, right now.

PINSKY: And I`ve got to say, those are Jason`s feelings, not HLN at large necessarily but Rolanda go ahead.

(CROSSTALK)

ELLIS: Got it (ph).

(LAUGHTER)

WATTS: Well, this is - well, I don`t know if you`ve been watching a television or you social media, but this has been a big story today. Out of

Taiwan -- it`s actually gone viral, too.

ELLIS: I`m just leaning over, looking - you`re looking good.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTS: You`re just leaning over. This is a really pretty terrifying if you look at. Look and keep an eye on that minivan there.

PINSKY (?): Oh, my God.

WATTS: All of a sudden, it just disappears.

PINSKY: The tornado.

WATTS: It`s a tornado, and it`s spawned by some typhoon and that was happening in that area of Taiwan and just tossed that - that van like a toy

and it disappears.

PINSKY: Oh.

WATTS: We don`t know what happened to the people in that van, but if you look on the right there, a woman, I don`t know how she survives this, is

found crouched like in a fetal position right there.

HO: Oh.

WATTS: How she survived that. This car was reportedly thrown some 200 yards and the lady there was believed.

PINSKY: So, there`s two tornadoes there.

WATTS: . to have been a pedestrian.

PINSKY: Look at that. The street (ph) is going up.

WATTS: Yeah. I mean, you know, this is like - the old thing from.

PINSKY: "The Wizard of Oz."

WATTS: . "The Wizard of Oz."

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: I believe you`ll (ph) appreciate in cyclones and typhoons and the hurricanes, a lot of the more severe damage is caused by localized

tornadoes that developed within the hurricane.

WATTS: Yeah, within that.

ELLIS: You go to stay relaxed, Drew. That`s the key to surviving.

WATTS: No.

PINSKY: I just stay.

ELLIS: Either that or get drunk really quickly.

WATTS: Yeah.

PINSKY: Next up, a girl with a pacifier cannot talk, but she can drive a vehicle. Back after this.

[21:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: And it is time now for my Click Fix. Chinese authorities are investigating this shocking video I kept talking about here. It`s a young

girl who appears to be driving on a busy four-lane street. Look at this. She`s driving the car, her mother apparently recording from the passenger

seat. Her father is coaching her from the back seat. She can - well, clearly barely see over the steering wheel and she can be heard babbling as

though she can barely command language here but not bah-bah-bah. Not only enough to speak, needing pedal extenders.

Listen to this. It`s unbelievable.

ELLIS: She`s an excellent driving, Drew.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Moving around that car.

PINSKY: It`s unbelievable. I guess driving is easier than we think, I guess or maybe this is some of a joke.

ELLIS: This could - this could be one of the -- remember that girl that had three boobs?

PINSKY: Yes, a fake.

ELLIS: She didn`t have three boobs.

PINSKY: This is fake. It` fake.

ELLIS: So, I`m calling - I`m calling below.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: You`re calling this out? Well, the video first surfaced on China`s version of Twitter. It` called Weibo (ph). And this -- it could be, it

could be.

ELLIS: I wanted to just like work for Uber so I don`t want to drive to work anymore. That`s so much more entertainment.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Right. If you have a 3-year-old pick you up.

(CROSSTALK)

ELLIS: Like maybe it`s like - I have been looking (ph) a 3-year-old. Give her a break.

(LAUGHTER)

PINSKY: Well, the cop comes out and starts hassling her.

(CROSSTALK)

ELLIS: Yes, give her a ticket. She doesn`t have to pay. She doesn`t even know she got to sign her own name.

[21:59:50] PINSKY: Reminder, you can check us out on Snapchat. Please join us there and also our after show on Facebook. We`ll be there this

afternoon. Also DVR us, so you can watch us anytime. Thank you, panel. Thank you, audience, and thank you for watching. We`ll see you next time.

(APPLAUSE)

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