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Clinton to Turn Over Private E-mail Server; Trump Leading Polls in New Hampshire, Iowa; Police: Video Shows Ferguson Shooting Suspect with Gun; Upstate New York Prison Facing Abuse Allegations; Feds: Mississippi Couple Plotted to Join ISIS. Aired 6-6:30a ET

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: What would President Trump do? I only care about one thing: making America great again. You are going to love President Trump.

[05:59:01] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His brand is really toxic for the Republican Party.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We do expect him to become the GOP nominee.

TRUMP: I'm a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The server will remain private.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Hillary Clinton handing over the private e-mail server.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It has affected the credibility, how voters view her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Level of disclosure that is unprecedented.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police releasing surveillance video they say shows a teen pulling a gun from his waistband just before officers shot him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's bleeding. Give him some help, man. Please get him some help!

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Wednesday, August 12, 6 a.m. in the East. You've got Mick and me with Ana Cabrera.

Good to have you again.

And there's a big development in the Clinton e-mail scandal. Team Hillary will turn over the private e-mail server she used as secretary of state, something she has resisted doing for months. The big question is why and what it means. We have answers ahead.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: We also have another question: how is it going to affect Clinton's campaign?

Meanwhile, her top Republican rival at the moment, Donald Trump, gets a big reception in his first campaign event after the debate. We have complete team coverage for you, starting with CNN senior Washington correspondent, Jeff Zeleny.

Good morning.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Michaela.

After five months of saying no, Hillary Clinton is finally saying yes, she will turn over her private e-mail server. Now, this comes a week after the FBI said they were looking into the security of this e- mail server she used as secretary of state, trying to see how classified information was handled.

Now, this marks a major change for Clinton. You'll remember how defiant she was when her private e-mail system was first revealed. She says -- she said she had no plans of turning over the server. Let's take a listen.

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CLINTON: I have no doubt that we've done exactly what we should have done.

I think that we have more than met the request from the State Department. The server contains personal communications from my husband and me; and I believe I have met all of my responsibilities, and the server will remain private.

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ZELENY: But so much has changed since then. The investigation of the e-mails has widened.

Now Republicans have been asking for access to this private server for months. House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement this morning, "It's about time. Secretary Clinton's previous statements that she possessed no classified information were patently untrue. Her mishandling of classified information must be fully investigated."

So guys, this morning, we're also learning that the inspector general for the U.S. intelligence community told members of Congress that Clinton had top-secret information -- that's the highest level of government intelligence -- on at least two e-mails among the 40 e- mails they reviewed from the State Department.

All of this has taken a major toll on Clinton's campaign, particularly her trust and credibility with voters. And this morning, for the first time, a poll in New Hampshire has Clinton behind top Democratic rival Bernie Sanders by seven points. Sanders is at 44 percent to Clinton's 37 percent in a new Franklin Pierce University poll of New Hampshire Democratic voters. So the Clinton campaign is contending with all of this today.

PEREIRA: Yes, and I'm sure they're watching that poll very closely. All right, Jeff. Thank you for that.

Meanwhile, a love fest in Michigan for Donald Trump. More than 2,000 strong giving the Republican front-runner a huge reception in this first big campaign event since last week's debate. Trump's poll numbers holding strong in brand-new polling. And if you want to know where he stands on the big issues, Trump says he's planning a policy rollout soon.

CNN political reporter Sara Murray is live in Michigan this morning for us.

Hi, Sara.

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Morning, Michaela.

It is the first time Donald Trump is back on the stump since some controversial comments about women and that epic battle with Megyn Kelly. But it looks like it is having virtually no effect on his popularity here. Let's take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The next president of the United States, Donald Trump.

MURRAY (voice-over): A raucous crowd. Raring to see the GOP front-runner.

TRUMP: We're going to have a little fun tonight. We're going to talk about some terrible things, but we'll have fun anyway.

MURRAY: For Donald Trump, it was another day on top of the polls. Trump taking the lead in Iowa, drawing 17 percent support in a new Suffolk University poll, five points ahead of his nearest rival, Scott Walker. In New Hampshire, Trump once again ahead of the pack, leading Jeb Bush by five points in the latest "Boston Herald"/Franklin Pierce University poll.

TRUMP: So what would Jeb Bush do? He'd probably say that's not a good thing. And if he ever said it strongly, which he wouldn't because there's no energy there. No energy. We need energy! We need tone! You know, tone.

MURRAY: So far, Trump's latest controversy appearing to leave him unscathed. Here in Michigan, his recent feud with FOX News anchor, Megyn Kelly, a non-issue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm a professional woman. I'm a physician. And I believe that Trump will be very fair with women.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think people should thicken up their skin a little bit.

MURRAY: But Trump is still offering reassurances that he can win over women.

TRUMP: I cherish women. And I will be great on women's health issues, believe me.

MURRAY: And telling CNN's Chris Cuomo he has the record to prove it.

TRUMP: I have many women executives. And I've always had. You know, when I was back in the construction days, the big construction days, I had women in charge of big development.

CUOMO: Do you pay them what you pay the men?

TRUMP: So I was very, very pro-woman many years ago.

CUOMO: Do you pay the women at the top of your organization the same way you pay your men?

TRUMP: Yes, I do, absolutely.

CUOMO: Because that's what it comes down to.

TRUMP: Yes, it is.

CUOMO: It's not that everybody is equal. It's that you're equal when you deserve it.

TRUMP: You do that -- like I pay -- in many cases, I pay the women more. I mean, I have women that get paid a lot of money.

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[06:05:1] MURRAY: Now, voters were hoping to hear policy specifics from Donald Trump last night. They probably left disappointed. He didn't delve very deep into any of his policy positions. But he did say that, over the next two weeks, more details will be coming, specifically numbers on job creation.

Back to you, Chris.

CUOMO: Sara, he'd already downloaded all that policy pith on NEW DAY that morning. He was probably exhausted. And they'd already heard so much more than they'd ever heard before.

And at the end of that back and forth, we suggested to Donald Trump that he put out this information about women in his organization, making as much and more than men. So we'll see if that happens.

Now, let's go through the analysis. We have big things. We have Hillary and the server. We have polls and, of course, we have Mr. Trump. We have CNN political analyst and editor-in-chief of "The Daily Beast," John Avlon; and CNL [SIC] -- CNN political commentator and Republican consultant...

PEREIRA: Good morning.

CUOMO: ... Margaret Hoover. That's as fast as I can go through those hefty titles.

Hillary, server, too little too late? Her undoing? Or isn't it the issue?

JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I mean, she's going to hope to kill them with kindness, but it is definitely late. This is definitely late in the game. And the fact that it happened on the day when the inspector general of the intelligence community said that there were, in fact, at least two top-secret e-mails sent, this is a significant concession.

Obviously, she believes that, rather than drip, drip handing it over, we'll stop the issue. But now, you know, the deep investigation into these servers is going to go on. It's a smart move politically, ultimately. But it does indicate that the campaign feels the heat, and they have continued pressure from this issue.

CUOMO: Wait. I have a good question. Or is it lose/lose because she's not doing it because she wants to; she's doing it because they're making her do it. and she's at it so long that people will believe it will have been scrubbed.

HOOVER: So she has -- so she has that has hit against her trustworthy numbers, which is, of course, for her to ultimately turn it over. And it's clear that the Clinton campaign or the team doesn't believe that they're handing over the server for it to be reconstructed for them to find supposedly wiped e-mails from her time as secretary of state.

She's made it clear that there's nothing on the server, but they can look at it. What they're doing, supposedly, is looking at the server to determine whether it's secure now. So, I'm in a lose/lose.

CUOMO: You're in a lose/lose. All right. So what's the bigger problem for Hillary, Mr. Avlon? What's going on with the e-mail server or Bernie Sanders, feel the Bern in New Hampshire. Put up the poll numbers. Bernie Sanders, Brooklyn born, Vermont senator, 44 percent. You see the numbers for yourself.

AVLON: Yes, look, neighboring state. I mean, obviously...

CUOMO: That's all? Senator from Vermont?

AVLON: Look, the first two, Iowa and New Hampshire, Bernie Sanders could do very well. And one of the interesting things for the Clinton campaign to confront is not only how to defeat him in at least one out of those two. But if they lose, it keeping him -- letting him going on (ph). Bernie Sanders could win the first two primaries. It would be a

major blow to Hillary Clinton's campaign, but it would not stop the run-up to a nomination. So that's the fascinating thing. We want...

CUOMO: How do you -- why can he win the first two, but it doesn't stop the momentum?

AVLON: Because I think when you get to a Super Tuesday situation, the Democratic Party's looking at those two candidates, absent a Biden or someone else, while it would absolutely take the -- the inevitability, you know, narrative away from Hillary Clinton, which didn't work out too well for her last time. I'm not sure that, come the Super Tuesday with the broad national swath, you're going to have the kind of Bernie Sanders commander-in-chief confidence that you could have in a caucus state or a neighboring state with the first two.

CUOMO: While you are very compelling and your logic and your voice is very fetching, I feel that you are not appropriately feeling the Bern. And maybe Hooves is. Are you feeling the Bern more than he's feeling the Bern?

HOOVER: I just -- I feel like he may not be remembering or having, like, the deja vu moment of what happened in 2007 and 2008 with Hillary Clinton's inevitability. I mean, she was the front- runner, and she was the candidate. And she lost Iowa. And that derailed everything. She almost lost New Hampshire but for a moment of real vulnerability that she shared with a group of women. I mean, that -- that really ultimately demonstrated that she isn't inevitable and that we could be seeing sort of strains of that already.

I mean, him leading in New Hampshire with that kind of margin, almost ten points, that's significant.

AVLON: That is a significant shift, but just keep in mind -- look, he has an advantage of having his campaign be a crusade that's about something bigger than him for, you know, his fans. That's a big deal. And Hillary Clinton has got to get that similar kind of passion.

CUOMO: Not easy. Hashtags like "feel the Bern" don't just come every day.

Other poll numbers that matter here reflect on Trump and the GOP. Let's put up some of them. Fifty-five percent of people, by the way, who were polled in this said that they were less comfortable with him after this. Twenty-three percent said they were more comfortable. There's your favorable, unfavorable going on right now.

What's relevant here? Women. How much did he hurt himself with women? You could suggest, Margaret, not as much as some may have expected.

HOOVER: Right. That's right. No, that's exactly right. I -- I think, really, we've seen that very little is going to interrump (ph) this Trump-mentum. CUOMO: Did you say "interrump" (ph)?

AVLON: Yes, she did.

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HOOVER: There's more. There's Trump-mentum. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

But look, we know that this guy has so much inertia, so much energy that he's galvanizing from the electorate that really feels like he's speaking truth to power and that he is independent.

[06:10:00] But, this -- best numbers for me, as somebody who -- who really cares about it. Not that everybody doesn't care about this. Fifty-five percent of people are less comfortable with people now with him as a candidate after seeing his first debate performance? That is a real softening of his numbers. Even though he's still in the lead, numbers have tightened in New Hampshire with Jeb Bush, significantly. Numbers have tightened in Iowa, even though Walker...

CUOMO: Well, but Jeb took a big hit in recent polls. Fiorina is up, Kasich is up.

HOOVER: It shows how fluid the field is right now.

CUOMO: All right, maybe a moment of metaphor. Donald Trump using "whine" as a fine wine. Take a listen.

I'll hold my look like this.

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TRUMP: I am a whiner and I'm a whiner. And I keep whining and whining until I win. And I'm going to win for the country, and I'm going to make our country great again.

CUOMO: Is this an example of why he is different in a good way than anybody else running right now? He turned whining into a positive.

AVLON: He turned it into a positive, which is incredibly hard to do. Look, at the end of the day, we don't want a whiner in chief. But it does indicate how much...

CUOMO: Don't we?

AVLON: No.

CUOMO: Don't we?

AVLON: No. No, we do not. I do not think. There's no crying in baseball and politics. Whining is not a strategic asset, even in negotiation, at a presidential level. The fact, however, that he's so shameless that he just doesn't care. He's going to throw that out there. Speaks to this surreal situation we're in, in the silly season. HOOVER: But if you heard the beginning of the question, what it

was, was Rich Lowry.

CUOMO: It was a great question, Chris Cuomo. I learned something from it. You called him -- he had been called a fantastic whiner. And because he was called a fantastic whiner, that is -- a fabulous whiner, that's a positive adjective in front of it. So if you say, "I hear you're the most terrific jerk," he'll own it because he's a terrific jerk.

CUOMO: Whatever you want.

HOOVER: And then that's how you'll correct (ph) Donald Trump with a question.

CUOMO: Whatever he's doing, still working. It is still working, although people are starting to make a move to feel he's starting to shake himself around, the ideas. And we'll continue to follow up.

John Avlon, Margaret Hoover, thank you very much.

In the next hour, we're going to get insight on Trump's perceived issues with women from former New Jersey governor, Christine Todd Whitman. Yesterday, we had Tim Pawlenty. We're bringing in people who have been in the game at a very high level to get their take on what's going to happen going forward -- Ana.

ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Let's pivot to some new developments out of the Ferguson area. Police in St. Louis County in Missouri have now released some new surveillance video that they say shows a teen pulling a gun from his waistband just before the officers shoot him.

The police say 18-year-old Tyrone Harris, began firing at an unmarked car carrying detectives near protests marking the anniversary of Michael Brown's death.

CNN's Ryan Young is live in Ferguson this morning. And Ryan, at least a calmer night of protest after all the days of unrest.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Certainly, Ana. You know, very peaceful. After 24 hours, people say they wanted this peace. Now, if you look around the city, you don't even see protesters.

Now there's this new video that's calling a lot into question.

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YOUNG (voice-over): Dramatic surveillance video released by police show people scattering after gunshots rang out in Ferguson late Sunday. Look closely. You can see what police say is 18-year-old Tyrone Harris grabbing a gun out of his waistband.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, get him some help.

YOUNG: Moments before being shot by police, the teenager, critically wounded. Police say he drew his weapon first, shooting a remarkable amount of rounds. From this angle, you can see Harris running across the parking lot.

The individual, identified by police as Harris, crosses behind the darker-colored SUV. You can see what appears to be muzzle flashes coming from that area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were shooting at that gentleman, and he had a gun. And he was at the protest (ph). And the police shot back at him.

YOUNG: The hood and windshield of unmarked police vehicles peppered with bullets.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We've got to wait until the ballistics get back. The bullets that didn't hit the police car, we find out that's the same gun. Then, you know, we've got pretty much an open-and- closed case.

YOUNG: Police releasing the video to refute claims the teen was not armed. Officials believe this Facebook photo is of the 18-year- old holding two guns in the air.

AREVA MARTIN, LEGAL COMMENTATOR: I don't think that video is dispositive proof that Harris shot at those cops. And, you know, given the attention, given the distrust in that community, I think the community is going to want more evidence before they conclude that Harris, in fact, did shoot at the cops.

YOUNG: Michaela, just to show you the difference between one night and the next, it seemed like there were more officers on the street last night than protesters.

PEREIRA: All right, Ryan. Thanks for that look. We appreciate it.

To Dallas now, where a Dallas-area police officer who killed unarmed college football player Christian Taylor. Well, he's been fired. Arlington's police chief says the 49-year-old Brad Miller made mistakes that caused the deadly confrontation with the 19-year-old during a suspected burglary at a car dealership. You've seen the video by now, because Miller tracked the suspect on his own without properly communicating with other officers. Miller could now face criminal charges.

[06:14:56] CUOMO: This morning, there are new allegations of abuse surfacing from that upstate New York supermax prison where two murderers escaped. More than 60 inmates claiming severe physical abuse by guards after the killers broke free. Let's get right to CNN's Boris Sanchez. He has the very latest. What do we know?

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.

As you said, more than 60 complaints against officers at the Clinton Correctional Facility alleging that officers unleashed their frustrations after Richard Matt and David Sweat escaped. Here are some of the claims they're making to "The New York Times."

They say they were physically abused, placed in solitary confinement, stripped of privileges, along with having their cells ransacked and property damaged and destroyed. They also say many of them were transferred, they claim, without due process.

The most incendiary allegations, though, many of them claim they were brutally beaten during interrogations, trying to find out more information about the escape.

Here's how one inmate describes his interrogation. He says, "An officer jumps and grabs me by my throat, lifts me out of my chair, slams my head into a pipe along the wall. Then he starts punching me in the face. One officer points to a plastic bag hanging on some pipes and said, 'You know what water boarding is?'"

That's from Patrick Alexander. He's an inmate whose cell was near Richard Matt and David Sweat. In the meantime, the Department of Corrections saying they want a full investigation, putting out a statement saying, quote, "Any findings of misconduct or abuse against inmates will be punished to the full extent of the law."

Important to note: CNN is still working to independently verify some of the claims made by these inmates. Still, guys, very strong allegations against these officers.

CABRERA: All right. Boris Sanchez, thanks so much.

Breaking overnight, 17 crew members from a U.S. military helicopter are now recovering after their chopper made a hard landing on a ship about 20 miles east of Okinawa. Six of those onboard are said to be injured, but the extent of those injuries at this time is still unclear. Japan's coast guard apparently got a rescue request from a U.S. Marine Corps camp in Okinawa after four hours ago shortly after news of this crash.

PEREIRA: New this morning, a young Mississippi couple is behind bars. They're accused of trying to join ISIS, using the cover of their honeymoon. CNN's justice correspondent, Pamela Brown, live now with disturbing details of their alleged scheme. How were they found out?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Really disturbing, Michaela. They were found out, because the FBI had been keeping tabs on them since May. And this is a young newlywed couple from Mississippi. And as you point out, they said they were going on their honeymoon. And that was -- that was a cover up to go to Syria and join ISIS before being arrested at the airport on Saturday, according to the FBI.

They were allegedly flying from Mississippi to the Netherlands, and then on to Turkey. That was the route they had planned on taking, the FBI says.

The man is 22-year-old Muhammad and his wife, 21-year-old Jaelyn Young. They first got the attention of the FBI back in May after allegedly making several statements in support of ISIS on social media. And from there, they began corresponding with undercover FBI agents.

Now, from the outside, this was a seemingly normal couple. Young right here is the daughter of a Vicksburg, Mississippi, police officer. She was studying chemistry at Mississippi State University, and she recently converted to Islam, law enforcement officials say.

Her husband graduated last spring from Mississippi State with a psychology degree and is the son of a local imam. This video here shows young graduating from high school.

And according to the complaint, some disturbing statements here. In one online conversation, Young allegedly boasted about how the two could help ISIS, saying, "I am skilled in math and chemistry and worked at an analytical lab here at my college campus. My partner is very good with computer science and media. We learn very fast and would love to help."

The two were denied bond when they appeared before a judge yesterday in Mississippi.

Back to you, Ana.

CABRERA: All right. Thanks to you, Pam Brown.

Vice President Joe Biden will be at the memorial this weekend for five service members shot and killed in that rampage in Chattanooga at two separate military installations about a month ago. Mohammad Abdulazeez killed four Marines and a Navy sailor. The attack has prompted calls for greater security at military recruiting stations nationwide.

CUOMO: All right. Have you heard about this? J-E-T-S, what the heck? The New York Jets are going to begin their season without their starting quarterback. But it's why? Why?

Geno Smith, that's him right there. He got sucker punched by a teammate, this according to the Jets head coach. Smith and linebacker I.K. Enemkpali got into an argument in the locker room. And then I.K. lost his temper and sucker-punched or punched...

CABRERA: What? Ouch.

CUOMO: ... his own quarterback in the smush (ph). Smith is going to be out ten weeks. He needs surgery, and the team got rid of I.K. after it.

PEREIRA: Oh, my goodness.

CUOMO: The coach cut him right away, which was a strong move for the coach.

[06:20:03] CABRERA: Talk about consequences for the heat of the moment. Right?

PEREIRA: Did this guy have problems before?

CUOMO: He got drafted after supposedly hitting a cop in college.

PEREIRA: Ruh-roh.

CUOMO: But this was a fight over money. But only the Jets. I wish this coach well.

CABRERA: And he had a $2 million contract that -- went away.

CUOMO: I know, like $1.8 million; that's gone.

PEREIRA: It takes a lot to talk about your team like that. I'm proud of you.

CUOMO: Only the Jets. I wish the new coach luck, but only the Jets.

PEREIRA: All right. Still ahead here, we're going to be talking about Donald Trump on top in Iowa and New Hampshire. Have you seen the latest polling? Some analysts suggest that the numbers are showing the Republican front-runner might actually be vulnerable. We're going to take a closer look when we continue right here on NEW DAY.

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CUOMO: New numbers actually give us some good insight into key Republican primary states, Iowa and New Hampshire, and some insight into what's happening with the field.

Donald Trump is at the top. But it's not all good news for Mr. Trump, and we'll tell you why. Let's break down the numbers with CNN political reporter, who's covered Trump's event last night in Michigan. It was a big deal, 2,000 people, Ms. Sara Murray; and CNN senior political reporter, Nia-Malika Henderson. It's good to have you both.

[06:25:02] Let's take a look at these poll numbers. There are two different headlines that are popping out. One is he's on top, but the second headline is but not as much as he was, and other people are starting to move up.

Sara, you are with him on the scene there, 2,000 people. What is your take on these numbers?

MURRAY: Well, look, it is interesting to see that he is still on top. I think people keep predicting that some of these controversies will hurt him, the latest one being his comments about women. And that just doesn't seem to be the case.

I think the other interesting thing is, even though all of his rivals are trying to capitalize on this, they're either attacking him or they're trying to go at his base of support, casting themselves as Washington outsiders and as non-politicians. They don't seem to be having a lot of luck. It just seems like all these times we think that Donald Trump is finally going to take a hit, he still manages to weather it. CUOMO: Nia-Malika Henderson, one of my favorite names in the

business. We're going to get to the woman thing. But this is the moment. His problem with women coming out of what happened with Megyn Kelly.

But this is interesting, as well. People who were asked about how he did in the debate, 55 percent said less comfortable with him now; 23 percent said more comfortable with him now. Do you see that as an attrition or is this just a resetting? How do you see it?

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, there does seem to be something of an attrition here. Folks who watched the debate, it was actually a tie between Trump and Walker, 14 percent to 14 percent over in Iowa.

It goes to show, I think, that the debate, even though overall he may have weathered on that and some of that fallout between him and Megyn Kelly and FOX News, but there does seem to be some erosion in terms of how people see him, whether or not people see him as presidential. Some people in the Iowa poll, at least, felt like he didn't seem presidential. They didn't feel like the questions were unfair. Some people did think it was unfair. Something like 41 percent didn't think that he was unfairly attacked.

But I think all these other candidates, people like Fiorina, people like Kasich, certainly in New Hampshire, have a lot to feel good about. And I think, as Sara said, people like Rand Paul, like Scott Walker, who have certainly been trying to up their standing in the polls by punching up at Donald Trump, it hasn't really worked.

And I think, in some ways, a lesson to Jeb Bush that maybe he can sort of stand back as Donald Trump certainly lobbed some grenades his way. He can certainly maybe stand back, at least for a little while, and watch some of this attrition, some of this -- what he, I'm sure, hopes will be kind of a slow implosion.

CUOMO: If you at home subscribe to the "someday Trump will be out" theory of the race, look at what is happening with John Kasich. That's my little two cents on it. He is a very attractive candidate within that field. And he's moving as well as Fiorina.

All right. So now let's give some credit to Mr. Trump. There's Kasich right there for you, 12 percent. That's a big jump for him, by volume and by percentage.

All right. So let's give some credit to Mr. Trump. Sara, he knows that what is happened with Megyn Kelly can't be that good for him. So what does he do? He comes on, and in the interview, he does, you know, hide the ball a little bit on policy, but not on everything.

And one of the things he decides to talk about more than once is why he is good for women. Let's start with a big issue, as it should be, which is equal pay. Take a listen.

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CUOMO: Do you pay the women at the top of your organization the same way you pay the men?

TRUMP: Yes, I do, absolutely.

CUOMO: Because that's what it comes down to.

TRUMP: It is.

CUOMO: It's not that everybody is equal. It's that you're equal when you deserve it.

TRUMP: I mean, for instance, do you do that. Like I pay -- in many cases, I pay the women more. I mean, I have women that get paid a lot of money. And I pay them more.

CUOMO: One campaign suggestion for you, you should show those numbers to people and let them see that women don't only make the same; they make more.

TRUMP: Well, I can do that. One of the things that I alluded to, one of the things I'm very proud of is, you know, I was one of the first -- I think I was literally the first. I had a woman in charge of the construction of Trump Tower. And that was unheard of in the construction industry that many years ago.

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CUOMO: If he actually puts out the numbers -- I'm not saying whether it's true or not. I'm saying, if he puts out numbers that he pays women at the top the way he pays men or maybe even more, that would be significant.

He also took a position, Sara, on abortion. And he said that he's in favor of the obvious three exclusions that you often hear about, in direct contrast to Marco Rubio, Huckabee, that position. Were you surprised at these admissions, and what do they mean?

MURRAY: Well, I can't say I'm particularly surprised on the abortion thing. He seems to have sort of worked out his back and forth on that over the last couple years. He used to be pro-choice; now he's pro-life. So that he seems to have worked out.

On the women's issue, I think that talking about pay in terms of his company speaks a lot to his character. If he put out those numbers, sure, we don't have a good idea of what Trump's policy would be. But it does give you a way to say, "OK, look, you can trust me. Look at what I did within my own company."

The question is, how far are the voters willing to take that trust? He said again in a press conference that night that there is an amount of trust when it comes to policy. You can't put everything out there, and you need a little bit of flexibility to sort of respond to changing events when you're coming up with policy.

I think the reason that might raise a red flag with some voters is when they look at politicians in Washington right now, they say, "We elected you on these principles, on what you said you would do. And then you..."