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Trump Says Megyn Kelly Should Apologize To Him; Gergen States Narcissistic Leaders Can Be Productive; Senator Graham compares Trump to an out-of-control car; CNN Hosting First Democratic Debate; One- Year Anniversary Of Michael Brown's Death; Violence Breaks Out At Ferguson Protests; Ferguson Violence; Kabul Attack; U.S. Consulate Attack. Aired 1-1:30p ET

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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, there. I'm Brianna Keilar in for Wolf Blitzer. It is 1:00 p.m. here in Washington, 8:00 p.m. in Istanbul and 9:30 p.m. in Tehran. Wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks so much for joining us.

Up first, a defiant Donald Trump not only does he refuse to apologize for his comments about a Fox News anchor, he now says Megyn Kelly should apologize to him. That's what he said this morning on MSNBC and that's the latest back and forth in this feud that started during the first Republican primary debate. It exploded over the weekend following Trump's so-called blood comment about Kelly. Despite criticism from fellow Republicans, Trump is not backing down. CNN's Athena Jones has the details.

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ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump on the offensive.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: All I was doing was referring to her anger. I said nothing wrong so whatever.

JONES: The latest controversy surrounding the billionaire erupted after he said this about Fox anchor, Megyn Kelly, one of the moderators of Thursday's debate to CNN's Don Lemon.

TRUMP: She starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions and, you know, you could see there was blood coming out of their eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever.

JONES: Trump was upset with what he calls unfair questioning from her during the Republican primary debate.

MEGYN KELLY, NEWS ANCHOR, FOX NEWS: You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals.

JONES: The GOP front-runner appeared on four Sunday shows to defend himself, including CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION" saying he never intended to suggest Kelly was having her period, as many interpreted his comment. TRUMP: I was going to say nose and-or ears because that's a very

common statement, blood pouring out of somebody's nose. It's a statement showing anger. Do you think I would make a stupid statement like that? Who would make a statement like that? Only a sick person would even think about it.

JONES: In a sign of growing concern, in some GOP quarters, Trump was disinvited from a conservative Republican gathering over the weekend after the comments about Kelly. Many, but not all, of Trump's GOP rivals criticized the remarks.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Do we want to win? Do we want to insult 53 percent of all voters? What Donald Trump said is wrong.

CARLY FLORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: They were completely inappropriate and offensive comments. Period.

JONES: A comment that drew fire from Trump on Sunday when he tweeted, if you listen to Carly Fiorina for more than 10 minutes straight, you develop a massive headache.

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KEILAR: Trump's defiance has turned a lot of political pundits into armchair psychiatrists. Trump himself once wrote, show me someone without an ego and I'll show you a loser. But when does an ego cross the line into narcissism?

On CNN.com, David Gergen writes, as narcissistic leaders experience one success after another, they face a danger of believing more and more in their own infallibility and less in the judgment of others. They develop thin skin and lash out when questioned.

In more extreme cases, they become relentless and ruthless. Their response to critics turns into apparent vengeance. Sound familiar?

I want to bring in Douglas Brinkley. He's a CNN presidential historian. He's a history professor at Rice University. And Fareed Zakaria, the Host of CNN's "FAREED ZAKARIA GPS."

Douglas, talk about this. Looking at politicians, obviously, they have to have a healthy ego, at least, to get into this spotlight. But how dangerous can it be for politicians and do you agree with this assessment that this could be narcissism?

DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: Well, certainly it's narcissism, but, you know, a lot of politicians have narcissistic tendencies. I mean, you want -- you're, basically, when you run for president, saying, I'm the best person to run the United States of America. The difference is about strategy of narcissism.

In other words, is Donald Trump's narcissism so off the line, so off kilter, so huge that he thinks he can get away with saying anything and people are just going to roll over? That becomes fascistic in a way. And you see the Republican Party right now determined to not allow mount, you know, Trump to grow anymore. They're trying to keep him down a size and that's the tension you're playing that occurs over the weekend with the Megyn Kelly event. The Republican Party does not want to see this guy gain any more momentum.

KEILAR: Fareed, I want a little wider perspective on you talking about world leaders. You would have some people look at Russian president, Vladimir Putin, former Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, say these are egos. These are, perhaps, above average size egos. Do you think Trump has anything in common with them? Do you think this is just silliness?

FAREED ZAKARIA, HOST, CNN HOST, "FAREED ZAKARIA GPS": I think that Putin is a very different category. Putin is a highly intelligent, highly focused person who, if you ever talk to him on any policy issue, is -- you know, has extraordinary -- is in command of the facts. He -- you know, he has his point of view and he's ruthless in the way in which he conducts Russian foreign policy. But that's very different.

[13:05:04] Berlusconi has some similarities but, frankly, nobody I have seen, in the many years I've been, you know, watching the world, quite is like Donald Trump. I mean, there is a level of almost bizarre narcissism where he doesn't seem to bother to -- you know, to prepare in any way for any comment he's going to make. You don't get the sense that he has, you know, read a single book, article, briefing paper, three paragraphs on the places he's talking about. That is sometimes a danger of successful and, you know, frankly, very rich people that you begin to assume that your instincts and your prejudices are wisdom because, you know, look, you've been so successful how could it not be? Trump has that multiplied by a thousand, it seems to me.

It's very strange. I've never seen somebody engage in a political campaign who simply has not bothered to, you know, really read even two paragraphs on any of the topics he talks about because, you know, it's sort of riddled with -- you don't even know when to begin to explain that, you know, going into Iraq and stealing Iraqi oil is not a good idea because it's so fantastical that you don't even know where to begin.

KEILAR: Douglas, for this idea, to follow on Fareed's point there, where he says, we're going to build a wall -- or, now, I think he says, we're going to build wall -- a wall in certain parts between the U.S. and Mexico and Mexico is going to pay for it. Is that something that follows, from what you see Fareed talking about, this idea that he will say something and it will be the law of the land?

BRINKLEY: Sure, that's what we call a populist demagogue, in many ways. You know, Huey Long used to say we'll have a chicken in every pot. Well, there ended up not being a chicken in every pot. I'm going to build a wall. They probably won't build a wall, particularly if you're not going to lay out a blueprint.

I think to give -- if you were going to give Donald Trump a true comparison, he's a little like Ross Perot, a billionaire with some interesting ideas tapping into the -- what we call the third party energy of the United States. People don't like any politicians but Trump at least had the -- I mean, Perot at least had pie charts and was trying to explain it in a real way whereas Fareed rightly points out Trump just kind of wings it.

And so, there really hasn't been anybody quite like Donald Trump, because he's a genius at brand building and he's very media savvy, in his own way. Not media savvy in a traditional way but in the new social media world. And I think if the Republican Party sees him as just a danger, a rattle snake, a poison toad they've got to get rid of somehow because he very well may lurch into a third party run if they don't treat him with respect.

KEILAR: What would it mean, Fareed, to think of a Donald Trump in charge of being the liaison between the U.S. and other countries?

ZAKARIA: I think there'd be so many problems that foreign policy would be the least of our concerns, honestly. Look, part of what we're all trying to figure out is is this all part of an act? Does he recognize that he's tapping into a certain kind of anger that is so frustrated with the degree to which politicians are prepared and have tested every comment out and used -- run them by focus groups, that by just being as spontaneous as he is, it creates a kind of, almost -- you know, kind of an existential appeal that goes beyond anything he says or is he just mouthing off?

And, you know, he's gotten used to idea that he can mouth off and people will say, yes, sir, and salute. My own view is it's more the latter. I think that this -- when people spend as much time as a presidential candidate has to in a media context, you usually see who the person. It's very difficult to put on an act that long. Donald Trump is being Donald Trump.

And, you know, frankly, it makes you recognize people can be successful in one field, you know, sometimes a combination of a certain kind of talent and a lot of luck. It doesn't translate. And what's -- again, I said what's surprising to me is he doesn't seem to feel like he needs to -- you know, to even pretend that he's -- that he's actually studying for, you know, the presidency of the United States.

KEILAR: I prefer a politician who doesn't pretend, actually. I think a lot of people do and that might be his appeal. But you guys are raising the alarms on a number of areas. Douglas Brinkley, Fareed Zakaria, thanks so much, really appreciate it.

And don't miss Donald Trump on CNN's "NEW DAY" that's tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. Eastern.

Plus, CNN will host the second Republican debate on September the 16th. The candidates will gather at the Ronald Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California.

[13:10:02] CNN will also host the first of the six Democratic debates. The October 13th debate will come to you live from Nevada. That'll be right here on CNN.

More discussion of Donald Trump ahead. I'll be speaking live with fellow Republican candidate Lindsey Graham. Senator Graham compares Trump to an out-of-control car and says the Republican Party needs to stop him. Stay with us for that.

Also ahead, the one-year anniversary of Michael Brown's death in Ferguson, Missouri. It's marked by peaceful vigils, also marked by violence and shootings. We'll go to Ferguson for a live report.

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KEILAR: More demonstrations are expected this afternoon in Ferguson, Missouri, a day after the one-year anniversary of the shooting death of Michael Brown. There were protests last night marred by violence. At least three shootings across the city were reported to police. That included gunfire that broke out during an interview with the interim police chief.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just want to be as patient as possible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A message to those who are looting -

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's gunfire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cover!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cover!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cover!

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KEILAR: One man is in critical condition today. U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch condemned the violence in Ferguson saying, quote, "violence obscures any message of peaceful protest and places the community, as well as the officers who seek to protect it, in harm's way."

Sara Sidner has more for us from Ferguson.

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SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Gunshots ring out on the streets of Ferguson on the one-year anniversary of Michael Brown's death, erupted into chaos overnight when gunfire sent protesters and police running for cover. Watch as this video captures another angle of the moment the shooting breaks out.

CHIEF JON BELMAR, ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE: The suspect engages them with gunfire. The plainclothes detectives return fire from the inside of the van.

SIDNER: St. Louis County Police say officers were involved in heavy gunfire in two shootings Sunday night. In one incident, police say a suspect shot directly at plainclothes officers with a stolen .9 millimeter.

BELMAR: There were four officers who were in that van, all four fired at the suspect and the suspect fell there.

SIDNER: I captured some gunshots on camera as I interviewed Ferguson's interim police chief.

This graphic video, posted by Search for Swag (ph) on Twitter, shows a man who was shot while fleeing police. Police say he had fired at them. Police also say a stolen handgun was found on the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, he's bleeding, get him some help, man.

SIDNER: Angry protesters clashing with police -

CROWD: Are we ready for what? We're ready for war.

SIDNER: Hurling bottles and bricks at officers. Police deploying tear gas to disperse the crowds. Two businesses were damaged and looted. These images capture bullet holes at unmarked police cruisers caught in the crossfire.

The night of unrest following a day of peaceful vigils to remember Brown's death and the movement it started.

CROWD: Two, one.

SIDNER: Demonstrators marched and observed four and a half minutes of silence. One minute for every hour that Brown's body lay on the street after he was shot. Brown's killing by a white officer sparked outrage and protests nationwide, though the officer was later cleared by both a grand jury and the Department of Justice investigation, anger bubbled over. Violence then mirroring violence now one year later.

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KEILAR: Sara Sidner joins us now live from Ferguson, Missouri.

What are we expected today, Sara?

SIDNER: Look, there's been a call for civil disobedience. That call coming this weekend that people were supposed to take part in that. And basically that meant last year that sometimes people would go and try to shut down streets, try to shut down certain city governments, try to shut down certain box stores in an act of civil disobedient to get people to see some of the difficulties that black folks have faced in front of police.

I do want to mention this. We have just heard from the governor, Jay Nixon. He has just sent out on a statement on what happened here in Ferguson on the one year anniversary of Michael Brown's death and all that happened, which really a lot of people commemorate as the beginning or the rebirth of a new civil rights movement. And I want to read you what Mr. Nixon has said in part. He talked about last night in saying, you know, "after a day of peaceful marches, prayers and healing, a number of violent incidents occurred. Law enforcement officers were fired upon, businesses were burglarized, a reporter was attacked, a drive-by shooting took place, and the entire community was put at risk by heavy gunfire exchanged among groups of armed criminals."

You're hearing the same wording coming from the police as well. The police chief of St. Louis County using the word "criminal" saying, these were criminals, there were not protesters. That the protesters were protesting and this happened a ways away from where the protesters were engaging with police on a line across West Florissant. This is a story that we've heard before saying that sometimes they take cover amidst the protests.

I want to go ahead now and bring in Patricia Bynes, and she is a Democratic committee woman for Ferguson Township.

Thank you so much for being here with us right now.

PATRICIA BYNES, DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEEWOMAN, FERGUSON TOWNSHIP: Thank you for having me.

SIDNER: Patricia, can you give me a sense of what this incident means to the larger picture? Are people seeing this as, my goodness, we have to do something about this, or is this something completely separate from - from the movement?

BYNES: Well, tackling violence has always been a key part of what we're trying to deal with. When we're talking about doing outreach, community outreach, working with young people. It's not just about the police. It's about violence in general. But the core of the black lives movement certainly has been a strong message against police brutality. But the overall message is, our lives matter even to other people who we look alike.

[13:20:19] SIDNER: Let me ask you about this. There are people in this town, and we've talked to a lot of them over the many months since Michael Brown was killed, and there are folks that say, look, the DOJ report came out, exonerated the officer, Officer Wilson, and so did the grand jury. And on top of that they say there is a sliver of this movement, not the movement as a whole, but a silver of this movement that is hell-bent on seeing Ferguson destroyed and making race relations even more difficult here. What do you say to people that talk like that?

BYNES: I don't think that that's true. I think that there's some people that don't want you to talk about racism at all. They want to pretend like it doesn't exist. And so they think that if you continue to confront it and talk about it, you're making it worse. We're just showing it for what it is and just how embedded it is in our everyday institutions of government and in everyday living.

SIDNER: All right, thank you so much. I really appreciate you (INAUDIBLE).

You know, and, look, everyone in this town is talking about what happened one year ago. They're looking that this town and the residents that live here really want to see the town move forward. People agree that changes need to be made. There have been changes that have been made. A change, for example, in city governments. However, some folks here say those changes are superficial and they really want to see something that impacts the everyday residents, something stronger and lasting.

Brianna.

KEILAR: Sara Sidner for us in Ferguson. Great report. Thank you so much.

Still ahead, two women are accused of carrying out an armed attack against the American consulate in Istanbul. This is one of a series of attacks across that city today. We will go there live for the latest, next.

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[13:26:05] KEILAR: A New Jersey man is appearing in court this hour on charges linked to allegedly providing support to ISIS. The 20-year-old was arrested earlier today. Authorities say the man had planned to provide material support to the terror group and had attempted to travel to Syria to join ISIS. Today's arrest is linked to a series of other arrests and charges back in June.

There was a new attack today in Kabul, Afghanistan. A bomb blast targeted a checkpoint near the main airport in Kabul, the country's capital. Today's attack follows Friday's bloody violence that left more than 50 people dead. It includes an attack Friday at Camp Integrity that killed one coalition soldier and wounded ten American service members. Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr joins me now on this story.

Barbara, what more do we know about this attack on U.S. service members?

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, what they are telling us, Brianna, is it was some sort of initial explosion, some sort of belief to be suicide type attack. Not clear if the attackers got inside the base actually, but you can see the number of U.S. casualties there. Hard pressed to remember the last attack that resulted in such a tragic outcome.

There were IEDs. There were grenades. There was small arms fire. Our own producer in Kabul reported he heard a gun battle raging for over half an hour at this U.S. military base.

So why this latest round of violence? Officials are telling us, you know, there's a lot of talk about some ongoing peace talks with the Taliban. People perhaps trying to disrupt those talks. The president of Afghanistan, Ashraf Ghani, really making a push to get his government up and running and representative of the people there, insurgents obviously taking advantage of that.

But it has been just a dreadful couple of days in Kabul. There are about 10,000 U.S. troops left. They are all headed home eventually after the coming year. Doesn't look like that will affect that withdrawal, but still it's getting a lot of attention and a lot of concern.

Brianna.

KEILAR: Sure is. Barbara Starr at the Pentagon, thanks for that report.

I want to go to Turkey, where the United States consulate was the target of an attack today. The Turkish government says the attack was carried out by two women. CNN's senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh is live from Istanbul.

What more do we know, Nick? Was anyone in the consulate killed? What do we know about the attackers here?

NICK PATON WALSH, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the attack seemed to have had limited effect on that U.S. consulate building here in Istanbul, the commercial capital. We are hearing from Turkish authorities through state news that they blame two women in their 40s. One said to have been - who attacked this from a group - a little known Marxist Leninist group really who have been active here but aren't big politically, known as the Revolutionary People's Liberation Party, or in Turkish the DHKPC.

Now, it's thought - and, in fact, the only people injured in this was one of the gun women who fled to a nearby apartment block and was then apprehended. One other one is said to be on the loose at this stage. But it's part of a wave of violence that's hit Turkey, Brianna, today. Another attack at a police station in northern Istanbul left one policeman dead and two of the attackers. A truck bomb followed by a fire fight. Imagine that in this busy commercial capital currently experiencing in the heat of August, what's supposed to be its peak tourist season. And then in the south of the country, two attacks blamed on the separatist Kurdish groups that Turkey's also at war with. Remember it's fighting both ISIS and the Kurds. In its more recent bombing campaign, an attack there hit one soldier as a helicopter tried to land in the south there and four police killed by remote controlled bombs. A very violent day here in Turkey.

Brianna.

KEILAR: A wave of violence there. Nick Paton Walsh, thanks for your report.

[13:29:50] Coming up, Republican presidential candidate Lindsey Graham will join me live. We're going to talk about poll, debates, and, of course, Donald Trump.

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