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Thanks so much for being with me this afternoon. Much more straight ahead in the NEWSROOM with Poppy Harlow.

[17:00:23] POPPY HARLOW, CNN HOST: Hi, everyone. 5:00 Eastern, 2:00 Pacific. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York.

We begin in Tennessee and word of another traffic stop gone terribly wrong. Multiple reports say Memphis police have a possible suspect in custody at this hour with the connection of a killing of a police officer on Saturday night. 33-year-old Sean Bolton, a five-year veteran on the force, was found shot several times after a routine traffic stop. A citizen used the officer's radio to call for help. Bolton was found at the scene. He died later at the hospital. The Memphis mayor spoke about the challenges faced by his officers.

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MAYOR A. C. WHARTON, MEMPHIS: This, again, evidence the fact that there are so many guns on our streets in the wrong hands. That's the key thing. And the men and women in blue have certain rules of engagement that they have to follow. But at any given minute in a 24- hour day, they're dealing with folks who have no rules of engagement.

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HARLOW: It is unclear what could have led to the shooting. Let's talk about it with Tom Fuentes, former FBI assistant director, also formerly a police officer himself.

So Tom, first thing that comes to mind is it a citizen saw what had happened in the aftermath, used the officer's radio in his car to call in the shooting. Does this mean that this officer had no partner with him, no backup?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I would assume he had no partner. As far as the backup, usually when a traffic stop is made at night, the officer radios in the license plate number if the car has one and a location and another car in the area will come by to back that officer, just as a matter of course. If he thinks it's really suspicious, possible drunk driver or other indications of criminality, specifically might ask for an extra officer which will result in several cars coming to back him up.

HARLOW: Can you walk us through the procedures that you took as a police officer that officers take now during a routine traffic stop to protect themselves? Because frankly, you have no idea what situation you're walking into.

FUENTES: No, you absolutely don't. And you know, really, the danger of making a traffic stop hasn't changed since the days of Bonnie and Clyde and the cops that were killed engaging them. When you make that stop and as I mentioned you call in your location, license plate number, description of the vehicle, and whether you think you need somebody automatically, possible drunk driver, let's say, but when you call that in, you get out of your car and you take those steps toward that car, and often times you can't see the occupants inside. If it's nighttime, street light glare off the windows. Often, you hear this term, driving while black. I can tell you often you can't tell what race, color, sex, you know, anything about the occupants of that vehicle until you walk up to that driver's side window. And so, you walk up to that go to the other side window. And you are completely vulnerable. You don't get out and approach the car with your gun drawn in the ready to shoot mode. You're walking up. Your gun is holstered. And you hope to have a professional discussion or engagement with the motorist driving that car. But the motorist may have other ideas. And that's the problem. They know what they intend to do. You don't know what they intend to do.

HARLOW: What about the dash cam on the police vehicle, right? We know that all officers don't have body cameras. But dash cameras are they always rolling? Because when you think about this man hunt, looking for this person who killed this officer just taken into custody, were they likely working off of video that would have captured the license plate of the vehicle?

FUENTES: They might have been. You know, not every car has a dash cam. But if his car had a dash cam and they were able to review it, it still might not tell them anything. If the person just learned their arm out the window and started shooting if the officer got close, they might have no description of the shooter. If the car didn't have a license plate number and they drove a short distance and abandoned it, maybe the car was stolen, you know, that might lead to no specific clue as to who pulled the trigger.

With a body cam, you might have a chance if the body camera was aimed at that drive ear's window and he got close enough. But again, an arm coming out of that car, there have been dash cam videos that I've reviewed that a passenger and a driver get out simultaneously, guns blazing, and gun down the officer before he takes two, three steps.

The other thing people think it's all a traffic stops. When I ran the FBI in Indiana, we had a state trooper there killed. He was assisting a motorist with a flat tire. He tale three steps out of his flat tire. He shot dead. And later, when they go to the address of the license plate of that car, the owner answers the door, what car, my car's parked in front, what do you mean. So the officer didn't know when he went to the officer friendly and helped this person out with a flat tire, that person had just stolen that car. Thought he was coming to arrest him and shot the cop dead.

So these are the situations that you don't know even if you're trying to assist somebody, whether it's a traffic stop for a violation, any number of things. The people in that car know more than you do.

[17:05:35] HARLOW: Tom Fuentes, thank you very much. Our thoughts with this officer's family. Just 33-years-old, Officer Sean Bolton.

FUENTES: Absolutely.

HARLOW: Tom, thank you.

Now to California where August in California always means, often means wildfires. But add into that the horrible drought that California has been experiencing and fire season now being a statewide emergency.

Twenty one separate wildfires are burning right now throughout the state of California. The most worry some are in northern California. In Yolo, Canossa, and Lake County where 47,000 acres have gone up in flames, 50 homes and other buildings have been destroyed and several thousand others are in the path of danger depending on which way the wildfire can suddenly shift.

Some of the fires are just barely contained. And even though the weather is helping a little bit, clouds and some humidity, more than 12,000 people are in a mandatory evacuation zone.

Stephanie Elam is on the phone joining us from the region where the fires are the worst.

What are the people there saying, Stephanie?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on the phone): Hi, Poppy. We're making our way to this fire which is really what Cal fire is describing as a massive fire. The fact that it is 47,000 acres, yes, we've seen fires are bigger than that, but that is still a lot of acreage. And on top of it, it is how this fire has grown. It started Wednesday afternoon. So really, really ballooning overnight from the low 20,000 acreage to now there's 47,000 acreage.

And that is odd. Because Most of the time what happens overnight, the temperature drops down. And because of that, the fires -- it gets a little cooler here because you're closer to the water and that brings down the temperatures and the fires don't spread as much at night. That did not happen with this, with it churning through extra acreage overnight. You can blame that all on the drought. That is a huge problem here in California is that everything is so dry.

So there's plenty of kindling out there for it to take on more and more branches, bushes, dry underbrush. And they continue to spread this fire. Now, they have a perimeter around it on five percent of the fire, but they continue to work that. There's about some 2,000 fire personnel who are battling this fire alone trying to get containment. But obviously, a lot of nervous people as you got these 12,000 people who have been evacuated because of this fire.

It's a very different pattern for this fire and that makes it very dangerous. That is why they've expanded these evacuations for people in the fire line since the winds have been erratic and the winds helping to pick up some of those flames and spread them,. Poppy.

HARLOW: So the winds are hurting. But also I'm hearing some of the humidity may be helping a bit. Is there better weather on the way that could help temper the flames?

ELAM: Right. That's part of the issue here too is that the humidity is in the single digits. And when the humidity is low, that's really great for wildfires, bad for people trying to stop the wildfire. More humidity in the air means more water, making it harder for the fires to spread. And that has definitely been a problem. We are now up here in this region, you can feel it. The air is dry. That makes it easy for these fires to spread. And so, that's why they've taken this precaution around these couple of California highway routes to keep people away while they are fighting with. With these erratic winds, it could spread further. As of now, no one has been injured.

HARLOW: Yes. The pictures we're looking at as you're talking are just absolutely extraordinary. Let's remember a firefighter yesterday there in California losing his life battling these flames. So, out thanks to everyone who is trying to get this fire under control.

Stephanie, thank you very much.

Coming up next, U.S. investigators are reason to believe that MH 370 was intentionally veered off course. But how could experts know what was going on inside the cockpit when the plane is still gone? Next, our CNN aviation expert and 777 pilot weighs in.

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[17:12:38] HARLOW: Well, the airplane part that washed up on an island off of the coast of Madagascar last week is indeed from a Boeing 777. That much was confirmed today by Malaysian investigators. As you recall, missing Malaysia airlines flight 370 was a Boeing 777. And now, investigators are working to definitively say that this piece is part of that plane that disappeared 17 months ago.

Saima Mohsin is live near Toulouse, France. That is where the piece arrived yesterday. It will be analyze this week.

And I'm interested, Saima, in what the first thing is that they will be looking for.

SAIMA MOHSIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, hi, Poppy. Of course, the primary concern here is to match, as you say, this what we know to be a flaperon from a 777 aircraft to MH 370. And potentially, it may still not be. It depends which expert you really speak to as to whether they believe it is or not.

Now, of course, we know that there's only one 777 aircraft missing in the entire world. We know that they believe that MH 370 went down in the Indian Ocean where it was found. But we don't know that this flaperon came from that. Because a lot of parts, Poppy, are sometimes swapped around. So they did take two numbers from this wing which I'm assuming perhaps they've already run tests through. Maybe that is now they haven't told us how but maybe that is how they matched it to a 777 aircraft. But did this particular part come from MH 370. That is the primary concern not at least, of course, you and I discussed before to know what happened to the plane, but most importantly for the passenger's families -- Poppy.

HARLOW: And that's what it is all about, is the agony that they've had to go through now for 17 months still with no answers. I am glad to see people being very cautious this time around before they definitively say that this is indeed part of the plane.

Saima, thank you very much for the reporting. And as we mentioned, it has been almost a year and a half since MH 370 veered off course mysteriously and vanished with 239 people on board. A preliminary assessment from U.S. intelligence, months before the plane was found suggested that someone, someone in the cockpit, the plane part was found I should say -- someone in the cockpit deliberately caused the aircraft's movement before to veer off course before it disappeared.

CNN aviation analyst Les Abend joins me now.

And Les, just to be very clear here. This report from U.S. intelligence was prepared months ago. It just came to light this week. It wasn't meant to be made public. But - and it also came to light around the same time this part was found, but they have nothing to do with one another.

Given that, when you look at this, it says that U.S. intelligence sources believe someone in the cockpit deliberately caused the plane to move off course. But what it doesn't do is describe any motive and it doesn't say that the plane was deliberately crashed. You say there is a difference, a very important difference between deliberate act and something nefarious.

[17:15:41] LES ABEND, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Exactly. How did they know -- how do they -- we don't have the specifics of this information nor do they probably want to release it at this point in time. But you don't know what's going on inside the cockpit of the airplane. So what establishes what -- you know, how that turn was made? Was it done with the auto pilot? There's no way of telling because we got down to the point with this airplane. There is no communication. The only thing left was primary radar from Malaysian military and they're being very sketchy about what they tracked and so on and so forth.

So without any communication at all because it was shut down, as we know, from whatever source, I don't know how they could possibly know that something deliberate was happening in the cockpit.

HARLOW: It sounds like you're very skeptical that U.S. intelligence could come up with a theory without a lot of information from the cockpit.

ABEND: You know, that's just me flying the airplane now for five years. I mean, there's certainly aspects with the communication in a normal sense that they know what I have done -- air traffic controls known what I've done as far as steering it and so on and so forth. But, I don't know how U.S. intelligence would know without that information.

HARLOW: Let's talk about the E&E compartment or the electronics bay. Something I'd certainly never heard of. But some have called it the Achilles heel in regards to security concerns about this plane. What is it? Where is it on the plane? And do you think that that could have any role in how this plane disappeared?

ABEND: Anything is possible. The E&E compartment is basically the brain of the airplane. This is an electronic airplane now. The airplanes all the way back into the '50s and '60s had an ebay, OK? But this one is very important because it is electronic. Where is it located? It's located just above the first class galley area from most configurations of the airplane. It can be accessed from above. It can be accessed from below. There's certain ways to be able to access it. And it -- it can be a security concern if it's not locked, but my point during this whole thing because there's been some allegations that this could be the source of a possible nefarious act, in order for that to occur, you'd have to disturb cabin service. Somebody would honestly have to know. And if somebody came up from underneath say prior to departure, it would have to be a bunch of people to do a nefarious act and how would they know what to manipulate even if they had absolute knowledge. And once they did manipulate controls or disable things, there's no windows down there. So, wouldn't they know what they are doing?

HARLOW: We're going to talk a lot more about this E&E compartment at the top of the next hour 6:00 eastern. And Kyung Lah has a fascinating report on it. We will talk about it with you and Miles O'Brien then as well.

Les Abend, thank you.

Turning to politics now, Donald Trump cutting ties with one of his political advisors, but this after he would not do the same, he refused to do the same with another top aide who stepped into controversy recently. What does this tell us about Donald Trump the candidate? We'll discuss next.

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[17:22:28] HARLOW: To politics now. Donald Trump has fired plenty of folks on his show "the Apprentice." And now he's doing it with a member of his campaign staff. He fired a staffer today after learning of racially charged Facebook posts. Sam Nunberg, allegedly wrote the posts in 2007 and 2009. Business Insider was the first to report them. One of the posts called civil rights leader Al Sharpton's daughter the n-word. Another called President Obama, and I quote here, a social list Marxist Islamo Fascist Nazi Appeaser. It went onto say congrats to the losers who voted for him.

Nunberg denied he wrote the post. He said quote "anything that was posted under my name does not mean I posted it." He also told CNN this, I'm not adept at social media. I have a long record working with diverse people and anything you're reporting on does not reflect anything on Mr. Trump or Mr. Trump's campaign.

Let's talk about it with CNN political reporter Sara Murray and Jeremy Diamond. Guys, thank you for being here. You just wrote this article that's up on CNN.com called what would a Donald Trump administration look like. We will get to that in just a moment.

But Jeremy, let's talk about this. Trump flip-flopped actually on this staffer, right? This is someone he fired back in 2012 for setting up a profile in BuzzFeed titled "36 hours on the fake campaign trail with Donald Trump," re-hires him for this race. The campaign is being very clear here and insisting this was not a high level staffer. This is a very low level staffer. Tell us a little bit about him and his role in this campaign.

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Yes. Well, Sam Nunberg has been involved in the Trump political world for a long time now especially with his role in 2012. So he's been one of Donald Trump's political advisors. He's an associate of Roger Stone, the famed political consultant who worked for Richard Nixon. And so, he's been in the Trump world for a long time now.

The campaign is now trying to describe him as a low level, part-time advisor. That's not exactly true. Sam Nunberg has definitely been one of the political advisors. I mean, he's been there since before the campaign manager even. So he has been there as a key advisor to Mr. Trump as he's considered his political aspirations.

HARLOW: Sara, when you look at this, he fired Nunberg, but he kept an aide, another aide, who just in the past few weeks stepped into a big controversy with comments that he made on marital rape, rape within marriages. What do you make of the fact that he kept that staffer and let Sam Nunberg go?

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, I think you a couple of things are going on here. I think you can tell by the way the campaign responded and Nunberg posting. He was this low level staffer that he truly had become more marginalized than he (INAUDIBLE) hid role originally intended.

But also, Michael Cohen has been around for a lot longer. He's much closer to the Donald Trump inner circle than Sam Nunberg was. And so, Donald Trump does tend to be loyal to those people who have been with him.

The other thing the campaign did when Michael Cohen ran into trouble and made those comments on marital rape that was very interesting to me, that he's not part of the campaign. He works for the Trump organization. That's separate from the campaign. So they were able to kind of put an arm up and say, look, these are two separate enterprises. We don't have to worry about him within the campaign.

[17:25:39] HARLOW: All right. Let's talk now about your article, fascinating up on CNN.com. You're looking at what a potential Trump administration might look like. You are looking at someone in Donald Trump that not that long ago was a pro-choice democrat who supported universal health care, gave one to Hillary Clinton, called her quote "terrific." Might we see him, Jeremy, pick potentially a more moderate running mate if he does make it to the general election?

DIAMOND: I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure what Donald Trump is looking to do in his candidacy that is going to be moderate as far as most of his policies are concern. And his appeal really is showing this very brash personality, a very kind of bold appear to voters.

But what is clear is that, you know, the question is, during the debate, what's going to happen there because that's probably when he's going to be called out on some of these flip-flops or at least it's going to be brought to voters' attention.

HARLOW: Absolutely. As Mel Robins put it, this is going to be the most-watched Republican debate perhaps in history. We'll see when we get the numbers.

Let me ask you this, Sara. Trump gets a lot of heat for not going into specifics, right? For example, he's been asked many times what would he do with the 11 million or so undocumented immigrants in the United States. He sat down with our Dana Bash. She pushed him on that and he said, you know, we're going to deal with them. Politicians aren't going to find them because they have no clue. We will find them. That's what he said.

This morning, though, Chris Christie was asked by our Jake Tapper on "STATE OF THE UNION" about what he would do with the 11 million undocumented immigrants. He said, I don't have specifics for that yet. That's the next thing I'm working on. I wonder if you Trump is taking more heat on issues like this for not having answers or specific plans than some of the other candidates.

MURRAY: I think the interesting thing is when you talk about this 11 million question, this is a very difficult question for any Republican. It's a question many in the field have dodged. I think the reason that Donald Trump gets so much flak for not setting specifics is we have seen Chris Christie come out and given speeches on specific policy issues ranging from health care to foreign policy and onwards. We haven't seen the same from Donald Trump.

So even though Chris Christie is put out policy on certain issues, he dodged that one question, we haven't seen Donald Trump put out policy on anything. Now, they say it's written, they say they have it ready and they are going to release it on their own time frame. And if the question is, when is that time frame and do those policies really exist?

HARLOW: And why not release it right now when you are so in the forefront.

Jeremy, to you, the economy, you know, always often is the issue number one in elections. Looks like it this time around as well. Immigration, very important. But economy, economy, economy and jobs. Trump playing up his business expertise talking about, don't know if I'm a good debater, but I do know how to create jobs. Here is a thing. When it comes to overhauling the tax code, you got

to look back at a book that Trump wrote in 2000. You guys talked about in your article. He proposed a one-time 14.25 percent increase in taxes on the wealthy. He said, let me quote here, he said "it is only reasonable to shift the burden to those most able to pay." How does Trump deal with that in the debate, Jeremy?

DIAMOND: Yes. Well, that's the remark that's drawn him the most heat from a group called club for growth which is a conservative advocacy group mainly focused on economics and tax policy. So that's going to be a huge question for him. I mean, he said even before that the economy does better under democratic presidents. So these are remarks that he's going to have to come face to face with during this debate most likely. It's unclear if that's going to be coming from the moderator alone or if someone the other candidates may try and press him as well on those issues.

But you know, at the center of all of Donald Trump's policy proposals is him. He is the deal maker. He is the one who can bring jobs back. And he really does need to start, I think, explaining the specifics of how that works if he really wants to keep voters, keep the amount of support he has and increase support ultimately.

HARLOW: All right, Sara Murray, Jeremy Diamond, thank you both. You can all read their article, CNNpolitics.com.

Coming up next, Donald Trump may be at the top of the Republican polls, but when you dig deeper and you look out in how he's seen by female voters, he has a lot of work to do. What Trump needs to do to attract the women's vote next?

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[17:33:02] HARLOW: The first Republican debate is just four days away, Thursday night. You can bet a lot of folks are going to be watching. Let's talk a little bit more about the Donald Trump phenomenon because he is all but surely going to be part of this debate. They make the final determination on the top ten on Tuesday.

With me now, CNN commentator and legal analyst Mel Robbins who just wrote a column on Trump and CNN political commentator Ben Ferguson. Guys, thank you for being here.

Mel, begin with you. You have some connections with Donald Trump. You've delivered his speeches for his organization before, you've interviewed him on camera. You know this guy. How's he going to debate?

MEL ROBBINS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I think he's going to debate exactly how we've seen him. Trump has one style and it is what we call offense. No matter what people say, he is on the offense even when you attack him. If you note, what does he do? He never concedes. He actually just pushes back harder. And I personally think this is going to be an absolute amazing thing to watch because Donald also has the advantage that he gets to be himself and everybody else is having to be a politician. So it should be fascinating on Thursday night. HARLOW: And that's what he's been saying is I am not like them. I am

not like them at all. And clearly that's resonating with voters and that's what this polling is showing.

Ben, is he going to have to answer and be held to the fire on a number of these flip-flops, key issues like --

BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, (INAUDIBLE) if I'm going to bring that up at every opportunity to try to remind people of not what Donald Trump is saying, but his actual record. It is the complete opposite of what he's now selling. I mean, Donald's biggest asset is the fact that he is always on offense, always throwing knockout punches. And then when he gets in trouble, he doubles down. And that's why I think people like him is he will not back down.

That also, though, on a debate stage, can get you in serious trouble because if you do have a mistake and then you basically try to get out of it by overreaching or stretching too far on something you may not know or may be the opposite of what you said in the past that's when you come out and people say it was not a good night for that candidate because look at what everyone is talking about. I think that's his biggest risk come Thursday.

[17:35:15] HARLOW: Mel, something that has largely been overshadowed in the recent polls is how he's doing among women voters. Out John King wrote about it on CNN.com this week talking about Trump's Achilles feel. And look at these numbers. The recent CNN/ORC poll shows 61 percent of female voters have an unfavorable opinion of Trump. That's reflected in Iowa, it is reflected in New Hampshire, some of those key early states. Why is he struggling to attract the women's vote?

ROBBINS: Well, you know, I don't think the fact that he's anti-choice and recently, Poppy, this is one of the positions Ben was talking about that he's flip-flopped on, it is going to help him with a lot of female voters. But I also believe that in some cases, the fact that he is not so presidential. Because look, what is it coming down to for Republicans? Do you want a person, a candidate that's presidential or do you want somebody that's a personality that represents winning, that represents fighting, that represents going for it no matter what. And that's what the decision's going to come down to. And I think for some women, his brashness, the history of womanizing, the way that he communicates, the fact that he's so aggressive, that may be a turnoff for some women. But I don't think that he, over the course of time, is going to have that big of a problem because there are plenty of women that are frustrated with Congress, that are frustrated with the government --

FERGUSON: The difference is this, though. I mean, so many women that I've talked to on my show have said they don't like Donald Trump for the same reason they haven't liked other politicians in the past. He's pompous and he is arrogant.

HARLOW: Ben, let me jump in there. I do want our viewers to hear this sound. Just to push back a bit on what Mel was saying. This is from Kate Bonner. She was on my show yesterday. She worked with Trump. She co-authored a book with him back in the late '90s as a young woman. I want you to hear what she had to say about how supportive she believed he's been especially women in business dealings. Let's roll it.

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KATE BONNER, CO-AUTHOR, TRUMP, THE ART OF THE COMEBACK: That said, back -- my experience with him and the way I saw him in the '90s with his family, with then banker, with his children. And I never -- I'm sure I'm going to get lambasted for this, but I never saw him or heard him to be a sexist. When I worked at Trump in 1999, more than 50 percent of the senior executives at the Trump organization were women. He was surrounded by powerful women. So it wouldn't be foreign to him if that was the case.

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HARLOW: Ben?

FERGUSON: Yes, I think -- I think she worked for Donald Trump and she made a lot of money working for Donald Trump.

HARLOW: She co-authored --

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FERGUSON: So I expect her to have great things to say about Donald Trump. But the average woman out there that's going to be asked to vote for him is not making money from working with Donald Trump. It's completely different, you know, paradigm of viewpoints here. One is making money, the other is judging from the outside. And I don't think women are going to connect with that.

HARLOW: All right, Mel, Ben, thank you. Mel, we have you to talk more on Trump a little later. We will get in to this a little more. Appreciate it to both of you.

Coming up next, changing gears here, focusing on the city of Baltimore. The Baltimore police department facing a huge new wave of violence. Ten people shot overnight. Now the feds are stepping in. What's it going to look like and will it help next.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Just two months left until the fit nation six pack takes on the nautical Malibu triathlon. They've been training hard, swimming, biking, and running. But six-pack member Robert Lara says time has been his biggest hurdle.

ROBERT LARA, FIT NATION PARTICIPANT: Consistency in training. It's rough, you know. You work a full-time gig, plus all the other stuff that comes along and somewhere in there you have to cram in an hour of workout every other day. It's rough.

GUPTA: Despite that, he's managed to get the workouts in. Learned to cook healthier foods.

LARA: So the weeks I do put the work in to cook, my life is a lot better, it has a lot more structure.

GUPTA: And inspire people along the way.

LARA: I've never been someone I thought that would inspire people to go work out. I think that's a by-product of what I've been trying to do.

GUPTA: The change he's most proud of, his type 2 diabetes seems to be improving.

LARA: The numbers are totally different now than they were when I started like the blood sugar is low, everything's different. And so that's a good thing.

GUPTA: And Lara says for him, it's been more about the journey than the end result.

LARA: Most people who are athletes and try to be competitive, they know that they can't climb Mr. Mountain without climbing a bunch of hills first. I think that's where we're at.

GUPTA: And at least until September --

LARA: Do what April tells you to do and really do it and that's it.

[17:40:01] GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN reporting.

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[17:43:49] HARLOW: Starting tomorrow, federal agents will help Baltimore police as the city deals with a very violent summer. The FBI, the DEA, ATF agents, as well as member in the U.S. marshal service and the secret service will embed with the city's homicide unit. That's after ten people in Baltimore were shot last night, seven of them in one incident alone according to the Baltimore's "Sun."

Let's talk about it with CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes.

Now, before you ran the FBI as assistant director, you were a police officer. We have all seen what has been happening in Baltimore. Is this the right strategy having federal agents embed with local police in Baltimore?

FUENTES: No, it's not Poppy. And the reason I say that is because we don't need additional people to investigate dead bodies after they're already killed. We need the police to stop the killings in the first place. And the inconvenient truth for the leaders of Baltimore and many of our big cities is that that's not going to happen until they back their police officers up when they do stop and frisk, when they go up to people and take the guns away before they kill each other with them.

Last month, Baltimore had 45 people murdered. And the investigating after the fact isn't going to help. Secondly, even if they stop the crimes, they're going to go to Baltimore jail which is run by the black guerrilla family. So that won't accomplish a whole lot right there. What they need to do is what has been done with many cities for decades is embed with the FBI, create task forces under the federal government, treat gangs like black guerrilla family the same as mafia families using the federal authority to conduct wiretapping and prosecute in federal court and put them in federal prisons. I think having ten agents help cops is next to nothing as far as I can see.

[17:45:38] HARLOW: Tom, just to go back to what you just said about whose running the jail system there in Baltimore, where does that come from?

FUENTES: It comes from a very detailed article and study done by Jeffrey Toobin as a matter of fact that the black guerrilla family essentially is in charge of that jail. That expose show that in fact one powerful inmate actually got four separate female prison guards pregnant while in that jail.

So the drugs, everything else going through that jail make it almost impossible to stop anything if you're going to put people in there. But I think so far, you know, until the police officers get some backing and are told take those guns off the street, you have thousands of bad guys with guns killing each other, all the investigation after -- after the fact is not going to solve that and all the community policing won't solve it in the short run because the police officers going into schools, rotary clubs, chambers of commerce, PTA, churches, these guys doing the shooting aren't attending any of those meetings. They won't be meeting any of these community police officers. They are only on the streets.

HARLOW: Also Baltimore has a new interim police chief, right, after just in the past month or so. Some people argue bringing in fresh blood, if you will, fresh perspective can't hurt, that it helps.

FUENTES: It can't hurt -- I don't think it will hurt. No, that's true. But I think the detectives in Baltimore are fairly capable of figuring out who's killing everybody. But as I said, the people are already dead. We need to stop the killings before they happen.

HARLOW: Tom Fuentes, thank you.

FUENTES: You're welcome.

HARLOW: Coming up next, is vice president Joe Biden considering a run for president in 2016? Certainly a lot of buzz about that this weekend following a column in the "New York Times" by Maureen Dowed (ph). We will talk about whether he poses a series threat to Hillary Clinton if he does jump in.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [17:51:08] HARLOW: The huge field of presidential hopefuls, the new rules for political fund-raising, have led to some pretty eye popping figures in campaign coffers this election.

Let's talk about all of this, the huge numbers with CNN political commentator Ben Ferguson, and CNN commentator and legal analyst Mel Robbins.

Guys, let's run through some of the numbers here, from the new fund- raising totals compiled by the center for integrity. In the first six months of this year, White House hopefuls have brought in close to $400 million. The majority of that money, at least $245 million was raised not by the candidates themselves, but by their super Pac. Benefiting most of all, this man, Jeb Bush, bringing more than $100 million through his super Pac in donations just in that period. And he's not leading in the polls, of course, unlike the official campaign super Pacs can accept unlimited donations from companies, from unions, from individuals, you name it.

Mel, to you first. OK, Jeb Bush isn't getting all the headlines, Donald Trump is. But does it matter when he's getting so much of the cash?

ROBBINS: You know, I think we're still very early days, one of the reasons we're all so excited is obviously because Donald Trump is such an unknown, in terms of unknown what he's going to do next. So people are paying attention, because it's so entertaining and interesting.

But I personally believe that the only person in the mix of Republican candidates that has a shot, not only against Hillary Clinton, but also against Donald Trump at this point, is Jeb Bush. He is the most serious candidate, the most presidential candidate, and probably the most likely to get elected if he can get past Trump.

HARLOW: Ben, when you look at the numbers for Hillary Clinton, her super Pac bringing in $20 million, but her campaign in terms of direct donations has brought in $47 million so far. What does that tell us about her as a candidate, how people are responding, giving more directly to her, that signal more supporters out there that hit that limit in terms of how much they can give?

FERGUSON: No, not necessarily. I think when you're in a big primary like the GOP, you want the majority of your money to be able to be used any way it can, and super Pacs are much more effective way of attacking other candidates. And there's kind of that arm's length away from your campaign. They can be a little more intense than even your campaign can.

Hillary really hasn't had really anybody to go up against. I mean, Bernie Sanders has jumped in, yes, but ultimately, if you're her campaign you want the money to come in directly to her campaign. And she, for quite some time, has been really running unopposed. And now, we are seeing that, you know, she's having to deal with Bernie Sanders. So I think you'll probably see her super Pac starting now become a lot different than her campaign numbers have been. So I think a lot of it is the dynamic of the primary. If you cannot

have to worry in the primary, give me all my cash to the general election to my campaign, if I got to beat up on other candidates, just like Jeb Bush is going to have to do, please, by all means, write those big massive checks that have no limit on them to my super Pac, because I'm going to need your help.

HARLOW: It was interesting hearing comments this week, Hillary Clinton naming Jeb Bush's super Pac directly in that speech at the end of the week.

FERGUSON: Yes.

HARLOW: I want to switch gears and talk about vice president Joe Biden because that has certainly been the political buzz this weekend. A lot of talk about vice president Joe Biden potentially throwing his hat in the ring for 2016. CNN's Jeff Zeleny reporting that this week that Biden has been talking to some, you know, close friends and confidantes, family members, about this, not ruling out a run for the White House. I want you to listen how Hillary Clinton's campaign spokeswoman responded to it this morning on "RELIABLE SOURCES."

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JENNIFER PALMIERI, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, CLINTON CAMPAIGN: We will let him make his decision. The -- however hard it is to secure the democratic nomination is however hard it is. And we have no illusion. We never thought this was going to be easy. There's a lot of views in the Democratic Party. And, you know, we'll be prepared to handle whatever comes our way.

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[17:55:10] HARLOW: So welcoming the challenge, Mel, saying this was never going to be easy. Mel, can Biden energize this party? And when is too late for him to jump in?

ROBBINS: You know what, I think that Joe Biden's about as big of a threat to Hillary Clinton as Jim Gilmore, who just jumped in the race a couple of days ago.

HARLOW: Really?

ROBBINS: Yes. I mean, come on, what are people going to get excited about behind Biden? They're tired of him. There's nothing new and fresh about him. Unlike Hillary Clinton who does have the female factor. There are still a lot of people in this country would love to see a woman winning the election. And she's also I think is the most qualified of every single candidate out there. And so, no. Will Joe Biden galvanize the Democratic Party and give Hillary Clinton a run for her money? Absolutely not.

FERGUSON: This is the same exact thing --

HARLOW: Brian Stelter asked her campaign spokeswoman about it this morning and that is the untrustworthiness issue, right? The concern about that in the polling for Hillary Clinton.

FERGUSON: Well, two things. One, Bernie Sanders lets Joe Biden know that there are people out there who do not like Hillary Clinton. And that's what's inspiring him now more than anything else. So I think Joe Biden is saying, maybe I should relook at this. And you know what, maybe I should run, because this is not a coronation, and not everyone is onboard with Hillary.

HARLOW: All right. Ben, Mel, thank you guys, very much. Appreciate it.

Coming up in the next hour, four people have died in an outbreak of legionnaire's disease. Sixty five cases have been reported since mid- July right in the south Bronx here in New York City. The search for what is causing the deadly outbreak, ahead.

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