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France Officials Will Have Plane Debris Confirmation Within Days; Beijing Wins 2022 Olympics; Blue Moon in Sky Tonight; Calls for Walter Palmer's Extradition Increase; Baby Killed in Suspected Jewish Settler Extremist Attack; Science, Technology Experts Sign Open Letter Warning Against Autonomous Weapon Development. Aired 8:00a-9:00A ET

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[08:00:18] KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST: Welcome to a special edition of News Stream live from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. I'm Kristie Lu Stout.

Now closing in on the possible link: new developments in the investigation of plane debris officials suspect may have come from Malaysia

Airlines flight 370.

Also, a Palestinian toddler is killed on what authorities suspect might be an arson attack by Israeli extremists.

And Zimbabwe now calling for the extradition of an American man for killing a beloved lion.

Now we have just received word that Malaysia's MH370 search team believes with certainty that the plane wreckage found on the Island of

Reunion is from a Boeing 777. Now that comes directly from the country's deputy minister of transport.

Just a few hours from now, that debris will be shipped to a team of investigators in France. They will be determining if it is, in fact, part

of the missing Malaysian jetliner MH370 that vanished nearly 17 months ago.

And if confirmed, that key piece of wreckage would be the first bit of physical evidence recovered from MH370. Now, it has been a long and

agonizing wait for the families of the 239 passengers who were on board that plane. They have been waiting for well over 500 days for any sort of

an answer.

And again, according to Malaysian authorities, they will have to wait just a few days more.

I just want to show you today's Malaysia Star newspaper. The headlines saying this: MH370 answer in two days. This is what we've been

hearing from authorities here from the ministry of transport as well as the prime minister's office, that it will take up to two days for them to

analyze the wreckage along with French authorities there in Toulouse.

And again, I just want to repeat that new piece of information we got earlier, that we've learned from the deputy minister of Transport, that on

the basis of analyzing the photographs, that wing component that was found on reunion, most certainly belongs to a Boeing 777.

And a Malaysian official Abdul Aziz Kapari (ph), he did not draw any more direct conclusion, though, to its connection with the missing plane.

And while that critical plane evidence makes its way to investigators in France, police meanwhile on Reunion Island, they are scouring that

stretch of beach where it was found in search of any other debris that may have turned up.

Now Nima Elbagir is there. She has the latest on the investigation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WARREN TRUSS, AUSTRALIAN DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER: There's strong evidence to suggest that the wreckage found on Reunion Island does come

from a Boeing 777.

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The wreckage discovered on this remote beach on Reunion Island may possibly belong to missing

Malaysian airliner MH370. Boeing investigators say they're confident the mysterious airplane part comes from a 777. Beach cleanup crews located the

wreckage Wednesday locating the flaperon along the shore. A flaperon is part of an airplane wing and investigators say the photos match schematic

joints from a Boeing 777. They say photos also show a stenciled number that correspond to a 777 as well.

TRUSS: It's only a very small part of the aircraft, but it could be a very important piece of evidence.

ELBAGIR: Also washing ashore remnants of what appear to be a suitcase. Though there is skepticism this piece of luggage may come from MH370,

island police confirm it is being included in the investigation. This wreckage discovered almost a year and a half after MH370 disappeared,

located more than 2,300 nautical miles away from the current search zone off Australia's west coast.

TRUSS: The fact that this wreckage was sighted on the northern part of the Reunion Island is consistent with the current movements.

ELBAGIR: As investigators in France await the arrival of the debris, a U.S. intelligence assessment suggests someone in MH370's cockpit may

deliberately have set the plane off course.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HAYES: Now, we'll have more on the investigation a little bit later in the show, but now I want to remind you the people who were on board

MH370 when it vanished. Anderson Cooper remembers the 239 lives.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, A.C. 360: Paul Weeks is a husband and father of two. He was on his way a new job in Mongolia, his dream job.

Before he left his home in Australia, he gave his wedding ring and watch to his wife, Danica.

DANICA WEEKS, WIFE OF MH370 PASSENGER: He said I'm leaving my wedding ring and watch here. Should anything happen it me, I want the wedding ring

to go to the first son that's married and the watch to the second. I said to him like, "Don't be stupid. Just come back and I'll give it back to you

and you can give it to them."

COOPER: Muktash Makerji (ph) and Shamo Bie (ph) had been on vacation and on their way to their two young children in Beijing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As parents nothing was more important to them than those kids. Everything they did was surrounding those kids. You good to

their house and it was covered with pictures of their boys.

COOPER: 30-year-old Huogy Li (ph) was also on her way home to her 5- year-old daughter. She works for a company based in Austin, Texas, and was

on board with 19 of her colleagues. Rodney and Mary Burrows (ph), from Australia, were looking forward to

becoming first time grandparents after they returned home. They were beginning a long-planned trip with their good friends Katherine and Robert

Lowden (ph). The Lowdens (ph) were known as doting grandparents. A friend described them as passionate travelers.

This group of artist from China were in Malaysia to display their work. Most of them were on their flight back to Beijing. Among them, the

oldest on board, 76-year-old Lu Rachang (ph), a renowned calligrapher, who was traveling with his wife.

The loved ones of these passengers have waited with prayers...

(CHANTING)

COOPER: ...and with hope.

Strangers, mostly children, have left pictures in the airport in Malaysia. This one reads, "We miss you, we love you." This one simply says,

"Please come back."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

[08:06:39] LU STOUT: Very moving profiles there.

And for many relatives of the 239 people who were on board flight 370 time has been suspended over these past 17 months.

Our Asia Pacific editor Andrew Stevens has been speaking to some of them. He joins me now live right here in Kuala Lumpur. Andrew, how have

they been reacting to this new development that's come out in the last couple of days, this new debris discovery.

ANDREW STEVENS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think some people are looking and saying they're facing up to the inevitable, others

are saying I still won't accept anything until I have 100 percent proof.

But it's interesting, Kristie, I've just come back from speaking to two people -- Calvin Shim and Elaine Chew -- both of their spouses were

flight attendants on MH370. So they've been living with this day-to-day for the past 17 months. And we spoke about what if this is MH370, what if

this is an actual link. Is it over for you? This is what they had to say, because it is quite interesting.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ELAINE CHEW, HUSBAND ON MH370: Sometimes you think that there's hope and then is this true? Then, that's it. The end.

CALVIN SHIM, WIFE ON MH370: Yeah, at least there is something. But, for me, I think that couldn't give me 100 percent assurance that they are

gone, you know. There are just many possibilities, you know. Maybe -- you know, you can't discount it 100 percent that, you know, that they are gone

because you don't see anything else, you know.

So, unless there are more things to be seen -- there of course the possibility of surviving is actually has become, you know, lower.

STEVENS: Is there a part of you, both of you, that says I don't want to know the truth?

SHIM: For me, yeah. For me, yeah, sometimes you know I feel that maybe, you know, it's better not to have this debris, then you still have

...

CHEW: Hope.

SHIM: Some hope, yeah.

But, another part is maybe I think.

CHEW: I want the truth. I want to know how my spouse gone through. Maybe I will like to know more.

STEVENS: If this debris is part of 370, will that be enough for you? Will you be able to move on?

CHEW: No. I want to see more things beside the debris, to get more confirmation that my husband is -- won't come back anymore.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

STEVENS: So, you heard it there, they want more. They need -- Calvin was saying I want to see a fuselage. I want to see a sonar image of a

plane under the water before I can truly accept what's happened.

And it was fascinating and terribly sad, as you can imagine, conversation with these two. They both have children, Kristie. Calvin has

two children and Elaine has one saying how are the children coping. And Calvin gave a very, very interesting story. He said my son has just

started waking up. His son is about 8-years-old. He's just started to wake up in the night having nightmares. So I took him to a counselor to

find out how he was and what we needed to do and the counselor said to him, Calvin it's not your son that needs help more, it's you.

And Calvin has been bottling it up. He's been dealing with the family. He's been dealing with life. And he just saw little outbursts and

his son is picking up on all of this. It's tragic.

[11:10:20] LU STOUT: It's tragic. And to hear stories like this, it just really cuts through the heart.

As you said just now, these family members that you're talking to, they are asking for and demanding more information, more data, we know that

Malaysia airlines and Malaysian authorities have been under fire and under a lot of criticism for not being open enough, not being transparent, not

being communicative enough for the families.

Has it changed since the last few days and the news broke of this suspected piece of wreckage being found?

STEVENS: Yeah, it's an interesting question. We've been down here just for two or three days. And I have been asking that question to

everybody I've been speaking to. And it's a mixed response. And Malaysian airlines has been reaching out to people over the past 48 hours. They've

been ringing people and ringing families to say this is what we know, this is what's happening, they are making an effort now.

Before, as we were reporting at the time, that the anger was at -- the fact that Malaysian just weren't giving enough information and they were --

they seemed to be holding things back. And they weren't treating the families with the sort of, the respect they thought that they deserved,

they needed at that time.

But I get a sense now that Malaysian Airlines is definitely trying a lot harder trying to get this through. The two I spoke to again. I asked

them that question -- both of Calvin and Elaine -- and they said look they've been trying to do their best. And, you know, they haven't

obviously had to deal with something like this before.

So, it's certainly not universal, but there are still a lot of people I speak to are still angry of what's happened over the past 17 months.

LU STOUT: Yeah, it's just a mixed bag of emotions of anger and also of hope and fear: hope of what kind of answer that they're going to get and

fear of what that answer may very well be.

Andrew Stevens, our Asia-Pacific editor, thank you so much for your reporting. Thank you very much indeed for that.

Now you're watching a special edition of News Stream coming to you live from Kuala Lumpur. And still to come, outrage among Palestinians

after a toddler was killed in what authorities suspect may be an arson attack by extremist Israeli settlers.

Plus, calls for justice over a hunt that killed a beloved lion. What Zimbabwe is demanding from Washington. that's coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LU STOUT: Welcome back to a special edition of News Stream coming to you live from Kuala Lumpur.

Now, in the West Bank, a Palestinian toddler killed in a suspected Jewish extremist attack is being laid to rest. Friends and family have

gathered for the funeral.

Now authorities suspect radical Israeli nationalists set his home on fire overnight. His parents and brother were critically injured. And

police say they found anti-Palestinian graffiti on the house.

Now, Ian Lee has just reached the scene of where this horrific attack took place. He joins us now live from the West Bank with more on this

story as well as reactions from both Israelis and Palestinians. And Ian, the details there are absolutely grim. Authorities found the words price

tag on the walls of the house. This is a horrific attack. You are now inside the house. Walk us through the aftermath.

IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kristie, the Molotov cocktail, this firebomb, went through the window lighting up this entire room.

This is the room where the family was sleeping at the time of the attack, the family of four. You can see their personal effects everywhere,

completely scorched this entire room burned out. There's nothing really much left.

But down here, you do have the remnants of baby Ali. You have the milk bottle that he used. There's also milk still left in it. You can see

the remains of the beds, of the cribs also, a blanket here.

And as you mentioned, this price tag attack on the surrounding walls on the outside of this building you do see Hebrew graffiti. And one of the

graffiti says revenge on it. So Palestinians here very angry about this attack where they say was from Israeli settlers.

Both the Palestinian Authority has condemned this, calling this an act of terror.

Now the Israeli government has also condemned this. Right now there hasn't been any suspects arrested in connection to this case, Kristie.

[08:16:12] LU STOUT: Now both Israrelis and Palestinians have described this as a terrorist act. Who is responsible? And will there be

justice?

LEE: Well, that's the big question now is will the people who committed this act be held accountable? Palestinians don't believe so.

They say that the settlers in the West Bank act with impunity, that they're rarely held accountable for their acts. The Palestinian government has

said that the words of condolences of -- of outrage by the Israeli government rings hollow saying that with the expansion of the settlements

that they say that they can't be words that they can fall on, that they can trust.

You know, the Israeli government still has been adamant, as they have been in the past with similar attacks, that they will to find who is

responsible and hold them accountable, but these sorts of attacks just ignite -- raise tensions in already a very tense part of the region, and as

we've seen in the past as we saw really that led up to the Gaza War, there was the burning of a Palestinian man that -- or Palestinian boy that really

escalated that conflict.

So, these sorts of attacks really can be a spark for something bigger, Kristie.

LU STOUT: A baby killed, it was only 18 months old, horrific story here. Ian Lee, we thank you for your reporting.

Now, the Israeli prime minister has promised to seek justice for victims of another horrific attack. And a warning first, these images

we're about to show you truly are disturbing.

On Thursday, an orthodox man, you can see him on the left of your screen there, stabbed marchers at a gay pride parade in Jerusalem. Six

people were wounded, two of them seriously.

Now the suspect was arrested after the attack. And police say that he had just been released from prison after serving 10 years for nearly

identical attack at the same event 10 years ago.

Now, you're watching News Stream, and coming up next, we'll look at how the dangers of artificial intelligence are a bit different from sci-fi,

but some say could be a real threat in just a few years.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[08:21:03] LU STOUT: Welcome back to a special edition of News Stream live from Kuala Lumpur.

Zimbabwe wants American dentist Walter Palmer extradited from the U.S. The environment minister said Palmer financed an illegal lion hunt that

resulted in the death of a beloved lion.

Now Palmer went under the radar after the killing of the lion sparked outrage in Zimbabwe, the U.S. and around the world. He says he thought the

hunt was legal. We'll have more on this story a little bit later in the program.

Now earlier this week, more than 1,000 leading researchers and scientists, among them Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk, signed a passionate

open letter warning against what they called an AI arms race.

Now the letter warned that autonomous weapons are feasible within years and said that there are, quote, ideal for tasks such as

assassinations, or selectively killing a particular ethnic group.

Now Nick Thompson joins us now with more on this story. And Nic, I mean, what threat, what real mortal threat would an artificially

intelligent robot pose to humankind?

NICK THOMPSON, NEW YORKER.COM: Well, that's a huge question and the letter raised some fascinating questions, right.

There is a real threat that as drone intelligence increases, drones could be weaponized, then you can imagine a scenario where small armed

drones controlled by terrorists or drug cartels can carry out all sorts of assassinations and wreck havoc. And that's part of what that letter is

warning about. At what point do we need to slow down technology and think about technology to prevent such scenarios.

There are other things, of course, that we should worry about, right, as robots become part of our critical infrastructure, right. Can they be

hacked? How much danger can they cause?

The one thing we don't have to worry about -- and I think that people generally worry about because of science fiction films, are you know,

humanoid robots like Chappie, you know, walking in the door and throwing a knife through my head.

And that's never going to happen, and we can all sleep better at night, because you know for among other things, you know, robots -- there

are things they're good at. And there are things they're not good at. They have never been been good at dexterity. There is no robot in the

world that can pick up a set of keys or a knife or do anything like that.

So, robot technology is improving in lots of ways that we should think about, but it's not going to be quite like Hollywood has said it will be.

LU STOUT: And do you think that the real danger here is not from an artificially intelligent robot, but from a robot that could be compromised

or hacked? And if that's the case, do you have a hypothetical scenario in mind?

THOMPSON: Definitely.

I mean, that is a real threat. And that is something we should be concerned about.

Hypothetical scenario -- so imagine, for example, air traffic control. Right now it's humans, software in the air traffic control tower and the

plane it's software and then humans again.

You replace the humans with robots and it's technology at sort of every level. And you can imagine there being a hacking or there being, you

know, a technological invasion and somebody getting control of the whole air traffic control system. That's possible now, but there are humans that

can stop it and they can anticipate. If it's all wired, it becomes a different problem.

LU STOUT: Now, this reminds me, Nick, of our ongoing conversation about self-driving cars. We know that Google argues that they would make

driving safer, because there would be no human error. But hackable cars, cars that can be compromised, can they pose a greater threat than our so-

called dumb cars?

THOMPSON: Well, I don't think they pose a greater threat. I think they pose a different threat as we saw with the recent hacking of, you

know, of a breaking system two weeks ago.

I mean, right now it's crazy driving on our highways when you think about all the people who are drinking and texting and talking and listening

to loud music and reaching in the back to the pacifier that the baby dropped, right.

So, there are all these terrible things that human do when they drive. You replace them with robot drivers and a lot of things are a lot safer.

You have added, you know, one extra risk that the cars could be hacked, or you know all the Camries could be hacked or something like that. You would

have to build up a lot of mechanisms, you'd have to build up a lot of defenses before these are out on the road.

So, yes, there's definitely a new threat. There's definitely something we have to think about. There's definitely something we have to

be careful about.

But in the case of cars, I do think that you're replacing a grave risk with a different probably smaller risk.

[08:25:05] LU STOUT: Nick Thompson there, always appreciate going beyond the tech headline with you. Nick Thompson joining us live. Nick

works at the New Yorker.com, of course.

Now, China's capital Beijing won its bid to host the 2022 Winter Olympics.

It beat out Almaty, Kazakhstan, becoming the first city to host both the summer and the winter games.

Now Beijing was seen as a favorite to win after its success in staging the summer Olympics in 2008. And events will be held in the Yangqing

Mountains, that's about 88 kilometers from the city and more distant Zhangjiakou mountains.

Organizers from the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, they are denying suggestions of plagiarism surrounding its official logo.

Now since its unveiling last week, social media users have been saying that the Olympic logo looks similar to that of a theater in Belgium.

Now Tokyo's Olympic organizing committee says it has no problem with the design, and that any resemblance is a matter of personal opinion.

Now, officials are getting increasingly confident that plane debris found near Madagascar is from MH370. And after the break, what that could

mean for search teams scouring the Indian Ocean.

And as international outrage grows, the hunter who admits to killing Zimbabwe's most famous lion drops out of site. Later in the hour, what

Zimbabwe was now demanding from Washington.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. And you're watching News Stream. These are your world headlines.

Malaysian investigators say a piece of debris found on an island in the western Indian Ocean is most certainly from a Boeing 777 -- and the

wing part is called a flaperon. It is being sent to France in a few hours for closer inspection. Experts will try to determine if it is, in fact,

part of the missing Malaysian jetliner.

In the West Bank, families and friends have held a funeral for a Palestinian toddler killed in an arson attack. Israeli police suspect

Jewish extremists.

Now the fire critically injured the child's parents and brother, and police found anti-Palestinian graffiti on the house.

The Taliban have a new leader Mullah Akhtar Mansoorreplaces long-time chief Mullah Mohammad Omar whose death in 2013 was only officially

acknowledged by the Taliban on Thursday. Now the UN says Mansoor has been in charge of the militant group's executive affairs for years.

Now, in the past hour, Malaysia's deputy minister of transport said the head of their MH370 investigation believes with certainty that the

plane debris found on Reunion Island is from a Boeing 777. Now that's based on photos of the plane part.

Now CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest joins me now live from CNN New York. And Richard, the debris from Reunion Island, it's being sent

to France for analysis. Malaysian officials say it is from a 777, but is it from MH370?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: And that is the question, Kristie. And the word we're getting from our correspondent in

France is that the DJA, that's the department that will be looking at it say that they will relatively quickly be able to determine where the part

came from. they will look at the metal, the metalogical ways in which it was ripped from the aircraft. They will be able to tell if it blew up in

the sky or came off in the water. So, all the sort of things we've been talking about.

But I think what the Malaysian deputy transport minister was saying is a statement of the obvious. Everybody but their brother knows that this

came from a 777. That much -- Boeing said that almost within 24 hours. Nobody wants to confirm it until they've got their hands on it and can say

with 100 percent certainty. And certainly no one wants to say that this is from MH370 until a lot more testing has been done.

[08:31:21] LU STOUT: And that's what we're waiting for. And that could take just a matter of days. That's what we're hearing from Malaysian

government officials here.

Meanwhile, Richard, the hunt for the flight data recorder, that cockpit voice recorder. We hear from the families that even if this piece

of debris is verified, they want greater answers about what happened to the plane.

So if this debris is in fact from MH370, how does it help in the hunt for answers, to finding out what happened to the plane?

QUEST: In the big macro picture, if it's from MH370, it confirms that the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean.

Now, that might now sound like much -- and frankly, it isn't much to those who believe where it went down was just off the western coast. They

know that already.

But it gets rid of the speculation. It adds a seal of approval to the theory.

And then once you reverse drift it back, you can get it roughly into the area where they are currently performing a major underwater search

using multiple ships.

Does it tell you that it landed or crashed here? No, it doesn't. It really doesn't.

Look at that map. Where you see the search area, the wide search area at the moment, that's the bit that they're already mowing the ocean. Every

day, two or three ships are going along trying to find out -- scanning the bottom of the ocean to see what is there and analyzing those pictures.

This piece of debris doesn't, as far as I can tell, make that -- change that in any way.

LU STOUT: Yeah, thank you for that macro viewpoint there.

And I also need to get your take on that U.S. intelligence report, new intelligence from the U.S. suggesting it was likely someone in the cockpit

who deliberately caused the aircraft's movements before it vanished. Your thoughts on that and how does that match with what Malaysian authorities

had been saying?

QUEST: It's exactly the same thing. It is exactly the same thing. If you take what the U.S. are saying at its face value, that somebody

manipulated the controls and took the aircraft off course, we have known that since the prime minister of Malaysia said that in his first press

statement on that Saturday, I think it was the 15th of March last year.

When he said the actions are consistent with somebody with deliberate actions -- the movements were consistent with deliberate actions in the

cockpit.

So, we have known that all along.

However, if what the U.S. is saying that there was nefarious intent, or that there was mal-intent and reason as to why that. That's a different

state of affairs. We don't know that.

So, we've got to be very careful with what the U.S. intelligence is actually saying. If they're stating the obvious that it looks like the

plane was being flown by a pilot or by a human being, we can all sign on to that.

If they're saying it looks like it was somebody who was hijacking, or the pilot attempting suicide, then there will be many people that -- myself

included -- who say you can't sign on to that.

LU STOUT: Richard, we always appreciate your clarity and analysis. Richard Quest reporting live from New York. Thank you very much indeed.

You're watching News Stream. And still to come, Zimbabwe says it wants Cecil the Lion's killer extradited from the U.S. We've got details

just ahead.

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[08:36:26] LU STOUT: Now, welcome back to a special edition of News Stream coming to you live from Kuala Lumpur.

Zimbabwe is now calling on the United States to extradite the dentist who killed a beloved lion known as Cecil while on a lion hunt in the

African nation.

At a news conference, Zimbabwe's environment minister said Walter Palmer paid for an illegal lion hunt and urged Washington to cooperate with

extradition proceedings against him.

Now David McKenzie joins us now from Johannesburg with more. And David, I mean the calls are growing for the dentist who killed this lion to

be extradited.

DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's right, Kristie. And certainly it's moved on from public scorn globally against

this dentist who is accused of killing this iconic lion, luring it out of the national reserve and shooting it with a bow and then stalking it for

many hours.

You know, it's really touched a nerve globally. And now that there's been this social media storm and the calls and petitions to the White House

to get him extradited to Zimbabwe, there's been an official call from Zimbabwe from the environment minister. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OPPALI MUCHINGURI, ZIMBABWE ENVIRONMENTAL MINISTER: From investigations carried out so far, it shows that the whole unfortunate

event, was properly orchestrated and well financed to make sure that it succeeds. The professional hunter, client and land owner were therefore

all engaged in poaching of the lion.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MCKENZIE: Well, the minister says they've already begun extradition proceedings to the U.S. requesting that Dr. Palmer be sent to Zimbabwe to

face trial. The professional hunter and land owner in question who were involved in this hunt already have faced the law and they'll start their

trial next week.

So, it certainly this extraordinary story continues.

Now, it's not necessarily a simple process to extradite someone, or whether the U.S. will even comply with the extradition request. But it

does mean that the pressure mounts legally now on Walt Palmer to show himself. He's gone to ground effectively other than a prepared statement --

Kristie.

LU STOUT: Yeah, it's been extraordinary just to watch this growing outcry turn into a call for extradition and for legal action against him in

Zimbabwe.

David McKenzie reporting live for us from South Africa. Thank you, David.

Now tonight there is a rare event, it's happening in the heavens. It's called a blue moon. Now meteorologist Chad Myers joins us now from

CNN Center. And Chad, what is a blue moon?

MYERS: Well, Kristie Lu, it is not blue by the color or the definition there, it is belewe (ph), it is a betrayer moon, it's too many

moons in a year, or too many moons in a season. So it's originally stated back in 1528, the belewe. But it kind of got transformed in the 50s to

blue moon, which is once in a blue moon. And there even have been -- there have been stories and also songs written about the blue moon.

Here you go. January, February, March should all have one moon. Although it doesn't work out that way, because the cycle of the moon will

give you one extra sometime.

If you get that one extra, along with another one in the same one in the same month, that's our definition now, once in a blue moon. Two moons

in one month.

But the old definition before 1950 was if you get four moons in a season, the third moon is actually the blue moon.

It doesn't happen all the time. It happens probably once every three years or so. The next real blue moon, if you want to call it for blue in

color may happen with the next volcanic eruption, that's typically when it happens because we scatter the red light.

So, here's the moon. I'll tell you what, it's actually not even the best moon to get your telescope out to look at, although it's a pretty big

moon. The super moon happens in September.

The deal with this moon, because it's not -- you know, a flat light. The sun shining right on it, you don't see the craters as well as you would

if you were actually seeing it on a crescent moon or a waxing or a waning moon, you'd be able to see the craters much better, because of the shadows.

No shadows on the moon today because of the flat light. Just like there are no shadows on me right now because there are so many lights here.

Don't get a good picture. If you get the side shadow, you get the side light from the sun, all of a sudden you can see the craters and the you can

see the shadows from that much better.

So, here's how it's shaped up. We had a full moon, July 2 and now another one here today.

In fact, the full moon, the closest full moon -- we call it full for just a couple of minutes around 6:30 eastern time, United States time. So,

somewhere around about 12:00, 12:30 GMT, 10:00 depending on where you are - - Kristie Lu.

LU STOUT: Chad, are there ideal conditions or an ideal place on this beautiful planet to enjoy this lunar spectacle?

MYERS: You know, I think the best time to look at it, the time that you see what appears to be the biggest moon is when the moon is very close

to the horizon.

So, because it is a full moon, you will get the moon to rise as the sun sets. So, as soon as the sun is setting, your moon will begin to rise

in the east. And that's the best time to look at it. That's when it appears like it's as big as a tree or as big as a building. And then all

of a sudden it gets high in the sky and it appears smaller. In fact, it's just an illusion, it's the mind can't handle the fact that it's as big as

the tree, so it thinks it's so much bigger. When it gets up in the sky it's exactly the same size.

LU STOUT: That's the time to get moonstruck. Thank you very much indeed Chad Myers there with the blue moon explainer.

And that is all for this special edition of News Stream from Kuala Lumpur. I'm Kristie Lu Stout. But don't anywhere, World Sport with Alex

Thomas is next.

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