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How Will Joyce Mitchell Be Treated in Jail; Awaiting Trade Restart on New York Stock Exchange; Interview with Hillary Clinton. Aired 2:30-3p ET

Aired July 8, 2015 - 14:30   ET

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[14:33:22] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: We are just past the bottom hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Got to talk about that prison seamstress, the ex prison employee that helped two New York inmates escape. We now learn she's been moved to a county jail. I'm talking about 51-year-old Joyce Mitchell, was transferred yesterday from a correctional facility to the Clinton County Jail. She had been at that first location because investigators didn't want her near the site of the manhunt. Clinton County Jail is in Plattsburgh, New York. It's about 50 minutes from the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora. Sounds similar, two different places, but that's where Mitchell used to work and where the prisoners, Richard Matt and David Sweat, escaped. Mitchell faces up to eight years in prison for her role, alleged role in this escape plan. She has pleaded not guilty to all charges and is being held on a $220,000 bond. The real question, now that she's behind bars, how will she be treated?

Joining me now, Toby Doerr, a former prison worker who once helped an inmate she loved escape.

Toby Doerr, you were fascinating and phenomenally last time we spoke to you, so thanks so much for coming back.

TOBY DOERR, FORMER PRISON WORKER WHO ONCE HELPED PRISONER ESCAPE: You're welcome. Thanks.

BALDWIN: All right. Now that we know she's officially at this jail are we to assume her reputation precedes her, with the guards, will the inmates know and how will she be received?

DOERR: I think that, of course, everybody will know who she is and why she's there. At least they did in my case. And when I first went to the jail, I was kept in isolation for three weeks because the warden thought that I would be a target from the other inmates and be, you know, beat up or have somebody try to steal things from me. And I didn't like being all alone so I signed a waiver releasing them of any responsibility and requested to go into general population, and I never did have any trouble. I think that she will find there's a lot of different women in there from a lot of different places in their life, and I learned that there are a lot of women that I could help, helped them read, help them write letters to home, you know. It just depends. I didn't find that I ever had any kind of fear when I was in the jail.

BALDWIN: And I think just for people who are watching, if you didn't watch our chat the last time, you know, had you worked at this prison, kind of similar, had fallen in love with this inmate, helped him escape with the help of what was it a dog crate, you know.

DOERR: Yes.

BALDWIN: Hung out in a cabin for a little while until you got caught. With all these women and the fact that they knew who you were. What's the system -- what's the hierarchy in these prisons among these ladies?

DOERR: Well, you know, it seemed kind of weird, but I was kind of held in a higher esteem by the other women that were in there, and I think --

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BALDWIN: Because why, Toby?

DOERR: I think it was because I was educated and I'd had a job and I -- I wasn't from the streets, as they would call it, so I think they looked up to me on advice on what to do with some of the things going on in their lives.

BALDWIN: The fact that you had helped pull off a prison escape, were you seen as a hero at all?

DOERR: In some -- in some of the inmates' eyes, but more so when I got to prison, and some of them thought that I was a celebrity, and I -- I didn't. You know, I didn't buy into that hype. I just was -- wanted to do my time and go home, but she probably may run into some people who think that, you know, what she did was really cool, but she might also run into some people who think that, you know, that that was pretty stupid what she did, so I think it's not a lot different than out here.

BALDWIN: Having lived the journey that you've lived and come out on the better side, and we're able to talk about this, what advice would you have for her behind bars?

DOERR: I would tell her to, you know, not talk about her case, of course, to keep that to herself and to, you know, make friends as well as you can. I really can't call them friends, you know, but become friendly with some of the inmates but be guarded at the same time and don't, you know, don't ever let your guard down. But I think there are -- there's some camaraderie to be found inside of a jail or inside of a prison and it does help you get through some of the darker days.

BALDWIN: Toby Doerr, thanks so much for coming back. I really appreciate it.

DOERR: Thanks, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Coming up next, we're going to take you back to our breaking news here at the New York Stock Exchange. Still the stoppage, since 11:30 this morning, eastern time, all because of this computer glitch. Again, they are saying not the result of a cyber breach. It's an internal technical issue. We're watching to see if it could be opening in the next couple of minutes. We'll take you to the floor of the New York Stock Exchange next.

You're watching CNN's live coverage.

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[14:42:34] BALDWIN: All right. Any minute now we should be seeing trading resume at the New York Stock Exchange. It's been out for just about the last three or so hours. This is one of three major entities affected today. All, again, in the same day because of technical issues, computer glitches. Again, we're hearing from very high levels that it was not at all, you know, a cyber breach.

We did hear specifically from the Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson addressing the situation with United Airlines, the ground stoppage this morning. Take a listen.

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JEH JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: It appears from what we know at this stage that the malfunctions at United and the stock exchange were not the result of any nefarious actor.

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BALDWIN: Let's go straight to our business correspondent, Alison Kosik, standing with a trader there on the floor.

And, Alison, I can't wait to hear from him, but quickly, what are you hearing as far as when it will resume?

ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: You know, there's a lot of skepticism from many traders that I talked with. They are saying this is just a waiting game and they are not too -- they are very skeptical that the market is going to open in literally one and a half minutes. They don't see it happening.

What do you think?

Peter Tuchman here with me, a trader on the floor, a longtime trader on the floor.

You just yelled, "Turn the machines back on."

PETER TUCHMAN, NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE TRADER: Turn the machines back on.

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Are we actually going to reopen today? I'm not really sure. We were told between 2:45 and 3:00 we'd start getting the systems back up. The closing bell is really important. To be on the floor of the exchange and the closing bell is kind of one of the things we do so I think they will shoot with it. Don't have enough information. They did promise we will reopen open, so I would presume we will.

KOSIK: Why is it important to reopen even if they aren't ready?

TUCHMAN: I don't believe if they are not ready they will reopen, OK. You can not stop and start the situation. That will only fuel fear, OK? The most important thing about this market is that people know -- look, I think the thing that everyone really needs to know is that what we've seen, we've been closed now for three or four hours. The composite index volume has not been out of whack with a normal day.

BALDWIN: So it doesn't show --

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TUCHMAN: It doesn't show that there's fear around, that we're sitting in Athens and we can't get our money out of the ATM. That's not what we're looking at here. Looking at a situation in the biggest market in the world that has an unfortunate computer problem, that's been closed for four hours, and that we will reopen. If we do today, we surely will tomorrow morning. So I don't sense the fear, you know. I think a lot of people -- there's a lot of that chatter that we should be scared that this has happened. I don't think there's any link to any kind of cyber attack. The most important thing we have a problem and they will deal with it.

[14:45:00] KOSIK: It's 2:45, Brooke. Clocking it.

I don't see the machines on.

Peter, you don't either?

TUCHMAN: His promise was between 2:45 and 3:00 that we're going to start to see some flow happening again. There's a question here whether we resume the market, sort of we just hop into the middle of the race that's been going on today. We do trade in other platforms around the world, so when we close, if people need to buy and sell stock due to fear or due to their positions, they are able to do it. They may not be as liquid markets as we have, but they are always able to do it. That's the key. That should -- that should diminish any question of fear in the world. So between now and 3:00, if we can get our systems back up and running, disseminate information, you know, we go into resume mode. We're not going to do a pre-opening reopen which is how we open every day. We're just going to hit the floor running which means that stocks have been trading around us all day long. We're going to hop right on in there, and then we're going to have our closing bell.

KOSIK: How is this floor going to look once trading does resume, if it does resume this afternoon?

TUCHMAN: There will be some scurry. People will be trying to -- you know, we're trying to resume our relationships with our customers that over the last few hours they have obviously been busy doing other things so we'll convey information what the close looks like. You know, there will be -- I don't think there's panic but there will be excitement and a little scurry. We'll just try to, you know, catch up. There will be a little catch up.

KOSIK: This happened on an interesting day.

Looking at the Dow right now, Brooke, the Dow down 222 points, not necessarily because of what's happening here at the exchange because of China, but because of Greece.

Interesting, volatile day for this to happen on.

TUCHMAN: You know what? It's not a great day for it to happen. We opened down. The market's been down between 160 and 220 all day long. Did anything major happen in our market and the composite market after we stopped trading? Not that much. Has there been huge volatility? No. Now we're starting to see a bit of a selloff, OK. People wanted to get out of positions. There may be a little sell interest in the marketplace. That's it.

KOSIK: All right.

We are watching the clock, Brooke. We'll let you know when it opens.

Thanks, Peter.

BALDWIN: Thank Peter Tuchman for us. You can tell he's been around the block a while there.

KOSIK: He has.

BALDWIN: We appreciate that very much.

Listen, these are the people we want to hear from that put it all in perspective for us because so much of this is obviously psychological on the floor.

Alison Kosik, thank you. We're return to you.

Quick break. We'll keep, of course, our eyes on the big board there to see if we see any movement, any more numbers ticking by the end of the trading day at 4:00 eastern.

Meantime, have you seen the huge national exclusive interview, Hillary Clinton sitting down with Brianna Keilar? We'll speak with Carl Bernstein, speaking people who have been around Washington a while. His take on Hillary Clinton, coming up next.

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[14:52:19] BALDWIN: She is arguably one of the most recognizable politicians running for president here, but until now, Hillary Clinton had not had much to say directly to the national media about her run. She has now officially broken that silence in an exclusive interview with CNN's Brianna Keilar. This interview comes as the CNN poll finds fewer voters are finding Hillary Clinton honest and trustworthy. And Brianna asked her about that. Her numbers here falling from a high of 56 percent in March of last year to 42 percent just this past may.

Now, in this interview, when they were sitting down in Iowa City, Hillary Clinton addressed anything and everything, from the Republican field, quite crowded, Donald Trump. She was also quick to blame San Francisco for mishandling the case of the undocumented immigrant charged with murdering a woman there recently.

Take a listen to this clip.

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HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Here's a case where we deported, we deported, we deported. He ends back up in our country, and I think the city made a mistake. The city made a mistake not to deport someone that the federal government strongly felt should be deported. So I have absolutely no support for a city that ignores the strong evidence that should be acted on.

When you are subjected to the kind of constant barrage of attacks that are largely fomented by and coming from the right, this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many, many years.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Donald Trump is also creating quite a lot of commotion on the other side. He's a friend of yours, has been over the years. He donated to your Senate campaign, to the Clinton Foundation. What's your reaction to his recent comments that some Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals?

CLINTON: I'm very disappointed in those comments. And I feel very bad and very disappointed with him and with the Republican Party for not responding immediately and saying, enough, stop it.

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BALDWIN: I want to bring in our CNN political commentator, Carl Bernstein, who also wrote the book about Clinton, "A Woman in Charge, The Life of Hillary Clinton.

So, Carl Bernstein, we were talking in the commercial break, first of all, kudos to Brianna Keilar for the interview. Secondly, when you watched the whole thing, 15 minutes in entirety, and Brianna asked about all kinds of different issues, ending with, you know, lighter notes on who should be on the face of the $10 or $20, how did you feel -- how did she come across to you, demeanor-wise?

[14:55:02]CARL BERNSTEIN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR & AUTHOR: That she didn't want to be there. But she --

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BALDWIN: But people told her she needed to be.

BERNSTEIN: She's smart enough she has to be there, that her campaign has run up against serious obstacles that she and her advisers did not anticipate.

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BALDWIN: Meaning what? The e-mails or what --

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BERNSTEIN: A whole series of things, including the server, the e- mails, the rollout of the campaign, the -- the foundation. All things going to the question of trust, and that's a long-time issue for Hillary Clinton. As I say in the closing pages of "The Woman in Charge," she has had a difficult relationship with the truth going back to the Arkansas years, but I also go in that book to explaining what that means.

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BALDWIN: What does that mean?

BERNSTEIN: Well, it means, first of all, that you're talking about a very complicated woman, a very complicated family. You're also talking about a realm, a political realm where most politicians have a difficult relationship to the truth but that she has said often how she is above that, that she really is better than a conventional politician. And she's got some serious problems here about the fact that people in this country, who are inclined to like her and support her, now are saying, wait a minute, there's a problem here. She's not wrong incidentally that her enemies and her husband's enemies in the cultural wars have a lot to do with this question of trust and, at the same time, there are many self-inflicted wounds because she very often wants to cut a corner on the whole truth. She very often obfuscates.

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BALDWIN: But that's -- that's why she was asked because, you know, from all of our colleagues who are covering, you know, camp Hillary, they have been counting the days, Carl Bernstein, until they finally would have a one-on-one interview with her, counting the days. You saw the rope line over the weekend. If you want to show America you're trustworthy, you sit down with the press and say, here's who I am.

BERNSTEIN: I'm not going to advise Hillary Clinton --

BALDWIN: I'm not asking you to.

BERNSTEIN: -- how to conduct her campaign. And this is a very long campaign, and we're still in the very early stages.

And also one of the things she's trying to do and has done with great success is get her substantive message out and show how different it is from the Republicans, and that substantive message is carrying much more than Republicans would like. So you have these two phenomena going on at once. You have the question of trust which is the real chink in the armor.

BALDWIN: OK.

BERNSTEIN: That is a problem that can be exploited and we don't know how it's going to turn out and whether or not it's going to cause her really greater difficulty or whether she can contain the damage. Then you also have the fact that the demographics of this presidential race, especially in the 10 or 12 states where the election is going to be decided, really favor the Democrats on the issues. And they are issues that she has expounded on and believed in and been very articulate about for 20, 35 years so there's a consistent record she has. There are some things that are inconsistent like everyone.

BALDWIN: How do you see it different? Do you see any shades of a Hillary Clinton when she was campaigning in '08 to now?

BERNSTEIN: Sure. Look, people evolve.

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BALDWIN: What's the biggest difference?

BERNSTEIN: I don't think you can reduce it to a biggest difference. I think, one, she is trying to stay on message and be more thoughtful in her message than --

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BALDWIN: Talks about listening, listening tour.

BERNSTEIN: No, I don't think the listening tour thing has worked. I think when things work for her it's when she talks about the things that she passionately believes. She has this problem that goes to how she and her family are perceived by their enemies but also their enemies are having an effect. The opposition is having an effect. The press is exploiting this because it is news and pause she is questions about the servers, these questions about the foundation, they are legitimate questions that the candidate needs to answer. Jeb Bush needs to answer about his servers. You can't oversimplify this stuff.

BALDWIN: Right, I understand.

BERNSTEIN: And that is what I liked about the interview, was I thought that Brianna did not oversimplify and that Hillary Clinton tried sometimes to oversimplify, particularly when she pushed back and said, oh, no, it's just my enemies. But she also gave some very thoughtful answers to real questions.

And one other thing, Donald Trump.

BALDWIN: Yes, go.

BERNSTEIN: -- is the greatest gift to the Democrats in this race, thus far, that we have seen --

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BALDWIN: You don't think also the Republicans?

BERNSTEIN: And -- and -- no, no, not at all, because...

BALDWIN: Quickly?

BERNSTEIN: ... on immigration, he has taken a nativist position that is so far out there, that it -- that it isolates him.

But, also, Hillary Clinton has been unambiguous about a path for citizenship, about some real amnesty, about human considerations for immigrants. Jeb Bush has been unable to say a path for citizenship.

And I suspect that's going to cause him some real difficulty if the race comes down in the end to Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

BALDWIN: Clinton-Bush again.

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BERNSTEIN: ... too that we can talk about sometime.

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BALDWIN: We can.

I have got to get to breaking news with the New York Stock Exchange.

But, as always...

BERNSTEIN: Good to be here.

BALDWIN: ... an honor and a pleasure.

Let's roll on.