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San Francisco Murder Reignites Immigration Debate; Ecuador Hosts Papal Mass; Team USA Wins World Cup. Aired 8:30-9a ET

Aired July 6, 2015 - 08:30   ET

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[08:30:00] KEVIN MADDEN, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: And they make that case on principle, sometimes to the detriment of the politics of it. And there may be disagreements on it. Paul and I, other Americans have many agreements on this, but I think that is something that those proponents of traditional marriage feel very deeply about and oftentimes they don't care about the political benefits.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: I just want to have the discussion with my wife. Now, look, Mike Huckabee says marriages aren't about love and sentimentality. We've had it all wrong!

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Stop (ph) the romance, Mrs. Berman.

BERMAN: (INAUDIBLE), it's not about the love and the romance.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

Guys, thank you. Great to see both of you.

PAUL BEGALA, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Great to be with you.

MADDEN: Thanks.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much.

Let's get over to Michaela.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: All right, we're going to head back to the scene of that shooting of an innocent (ph) woman in San Francisco, taken down by an undocumented immigrant who had been deported before five times. Are city and federal authorities on the same page when it comes to keeping dangerous people off the street? We'll explore that.

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PEREIRA: There are serious questions this morning following the murder of Kate Steinle in San Francisco. She was a 32-year-old woman who was gunned down by undocumented immigrant Francisco Sanchez. He was freed from jail despite previous convictions and being deported five times from the U.S.

[08:35:03] So why was he back on the streets at all? We turn to Julie Myers Wood. She served as assistant secretary of Immigration & Customs Enforcement in the Department of Homeland Security during the George W. Bush administration. Basically, the chief of I.C.E. back in the day.

Julie, really a pleasure to have you here. I'm sorry it's under these circumstances. But we were trying to figure out if there's any sense to be made about how this guy got back on the streets. What, seven felonies convicted of, four of them it sounds like they were drug convictions. He was deported five times. How does somebody with a track record like that end up on the streets of San Francisco?

JULIE MYERS WOOD, FMR. ASST. SECY., U.S. IMMIGRATION & CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT: It's a terrible story. A very tragic incident. First, this individual got through our border again, right? Our border is not secure enough. So he was able to get back into the country, not once but five times. And then here, unfortunately, after he was done serving federal time on narcotics and immigration charges, he was moved into city custody. There was an outstanding city warrant on him for another narcotics charge. I.C.E. had asked the city of San Francisco to let them know, just give them a heads up when they were about to release them.

PEREIRA: But they didn't do it.

WOODS: Unfortunately, they didn't do it. They didn't do it, and that resulted in a very serious tragedy here.

PEREIRA: So let's dig a little deeper on that because I think that's the part that maybe is a big disconnect for many people that are watching. They asked for an immigration detainer, but were not notified when Sanchez was released. But I understand -- if I understand this correctly, Julie, the San Francisco Sheriff's Department say it's not their policy to necessarily give them that heads up. In fact, they say that it's sort of a voluntary kind of thing. This is a sanctuary city we're going to be hearing a lot about that in the next couple of days and in the coming weeks. Talk to us more about the sanctuary city. There's many of them in the United States.

WOOD: That's absolutely right. Unfortunately, a lot of cities in this country have decided they don't want to cooperate with I.C.E. They think that cooperating with I.C.E. causes them problems with respect to the immigration community, the immigrant community and public safety. But, in fact, it does just the opposite, as we've seen here.

PEREIRA: So give me a gut check on that. When you were head of I.C.E., what is the reality then on the ground when you're -- because you are to work in concert, right, with local law enforcement and state law enforcement. How does that end up working out?

WOOD: Well, in many cities around the country and in many states, I.C.E. works very well with state and local law enforcement. But when there's not cooperation and there's -- when there's not good will on both sides, tragic events happen. Tragic things like this. And time after time we've seen that a failure to cooperate on both sides causes harm and really harms the citizens of the community that the San Francisco City Sheriff's Department is trying to protect, and that I.C.E. is trying to protect. PEREIRA: So what is the solution as far as your concern, because

you've been on the frontlines of it? Now you can do sort do 30,000 foot level and look back on it and reflect. What are your thoughts?

WOOD: Well, I think there's been a lot of rhetoric on both sides.

PEREIRA: Sure there has.

WOOD: Both on the sides that want to enforce the law more strictly and those that are very worried about what's going on in the immigrant communities. I think it's time for both sides to come together, to sit down and look and see, can we find a middle ground? Are there cases where it really makes sense to cooperate? And it may be more give than I.C.E. wants to give, and it may be more than San Francisco wants to do, but at the end of the day, are there certain individuals where the community is best served by cooperating?

PEREIRA: But is it also not required -- the cooperation of some of these countries that are source -- essentially the sources of these immigrants? For example, working with the Mexican government. Is there not room for negotiation and diplomacy there, too?

WOOD: Absolutely. Absolutely. We've got to continue to work with Mexico, with central and South America and really all countries to prevent problems. First, to prevent the gang problem that we see in Mexico and Central America, to really give Mexico and Central America more resources to use, have more vetted units down there, and then also to work with them in taking their nationals back. So that is definitely a critical part.

And then also to think about the border issue.

PEREIRA: Yes.

WOOD: You know, why is it that this individual was able to come into this country five times, again and again and again? And, finally, think about, why was he able to stay? What was he doing here? Was he working? Have we really fixed the system with regard to unlawful employment? And I think cases like this show we probably haven't.

PEREIRA: Well, he was toting a gun around down at --

WOOD: Oh, this is --

PEREIRA: The waterfront there in San Francisco and a 32-year-old woman lost her life. Clearly something has to be done to at least get justice for her and to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Julie Myers Woods, really a pleasure. Thanks for getting up early for us and talking us through this, OK?

WOODS: Oh, thanks so much, Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Michaela. Pope Francis on the road again. We'll go live to South America with

more on his trip and his message to the faithful.

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[08:44:00] CAMEROTA: Hundreds of thousands expected to attend a mass celebrated by Pope Francis in Ecuador this morning. The Pope kicking off a week long coming home tour to his native South America. CNN's Rosa Flores joins us live from Quito with more.

Good morning, Rosa.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Pope Francis waking up here in Quito this morning. The first Latin American Pope in Latin America. He is headed today to Quakil (ph). It's a city southwest of the capital where hundreds of thousands of people are expected to celebrate mass with him.

Now, about the mass. We're expecting some of the Bible readings to be in the native tongue. It's part of the message of tolerance that the Pope is trying to deliver.

After that, he comes back right here to Quakil (ph) and take a look at the cathedral right behind me. He's expecting to visit the cathedral and the clergy at the cathedral.

And then he wraps up his day. But not -- not his trip to Latin America yet. After that he goes to Bolivia and then to Paraguay as well.

[08:45:00] And guess what, Michaela, he has already broken protocol this morning. Vatican Radio tweeting out that the Pope actually walked out of the diplomatic mission to the Holy Sea here and greeted the faithfuls and gave them a little good night prayer so they could go home and rest for the night, Michaela.

PEREIRA: In true Pope Francis fashion. All right. We'll be following that, Rosa. Thank you so much.

Time now for your Five Things You Need to Know, Monday edition.

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PEREIRA (voice-over): At number one, the U.S. women's soccer team winning the World Cup for a record third time, routing Japan 5-2 led by Captain Carli Lloyd who scored a hat trick in the first 16 minutes of that match.

The Greek finance minister quits overnight after voters rejected Europe's bailout deal to resolve Greek's (sic) debt crisis. Eurozone nations meeting tomorrow to discuss what happens next.

An undocumented Mexican immigrant confesses to randomly killing a woman in San Francisco. Francisco Sanchez had been deported five times, had seven felony convictions. This incident re-igniting the debate on illegal immigration. The Pentagon (sic) will head to the Pentagon this afternoon to be briefed on the U.S. strategy to defeat ISIS. This comes a day before the defense secretary and chairman of Joint Chiefs testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

And today, South Carolina lawmakers will take up the debate over the Confederate flag. A two-thirds majority vote in both legislative chambers is necessary to permanently remove the flag from capitol grounds.

For more on the Five Things to Know, be sure to visit NEWDAYCNN.com for the latest.

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PEREIRA (on camera): John?

BERMAN: All right, the U.S. World Cup champions, they won in a steam rolling dominating performance. Does this mean a new era of U.S. soccer? Stay with us.

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[08:50:42] PEREIRA: A record-setting performance brings the Women's World Cup back to America, team USA crushing Japan 5-2. Most of the damage done early on. Carli Lloyd with a hat trick in just the first 16 minutes.

You okay over there?

BERMAN: I'm so happy. I can't -

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PEREIRA: Here to discuss all of this with us is CNN sports analyst, Christine Brennan. You have three more, like, want to bees on the Team USA squad here.

I was thinking, Christine, what -- this was as close to a hometown crowd they could have had in Vancouver, and it did something to the team, didn't it? It kind of electrified them having that kind of support here in Vancouver.

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: It was very much like Los Angeles in 1999. A home game, absolutely. And I'm sorry, by the way, that I don't have a jersey.

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BRENNAN: I - I -- you guys, I know, look great. John, love that and ...

PEREIRA: (inaudible)

BRENNAN: Yes, you know what it was? It was building over -- it was the four week tournament, and it was building. The U.S. was building, their defense was solid, the offense came along and we saw the explosion in those first 16 minutes, and then the same thing with the fans. The fans built, people came over from the United States in droves, and it was a home game for sure for the United States.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: So, you know, Christine, we had Carli Lloyd on in our last hour live and we got to talk to her and see how exhausted and drained she is, basically she said that that shot that she took from mid-field, that goal, that sort of stunning goal that wowed the crowd...

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CAMEROTA (voice-over): ... she said she had only done that one other time and it was in a practice.

BERMAN (voice-over): There it is.

CAMEROTA: Look at that one.

PEREIRA (voice-over): That's insanity.

CAMEROTA: But the minute after she connected with the ball and saw the angle that she knew it was going to go in.

BRENNAN (voice-over): I saw your interview with her and she was terrific, and what a trooper to -- she's going to just say I'm pulling an all nighter, which it's the night of her life.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

BRENNAN: She should do that.

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BRENNAN (on camera): And she had a dream 16 minutes, but she's a gamer, you guys. This is the person who scored the winning goal in the 2008 Olympics for the U.S., she scored two goals for the U.S. to win the gold medal in the 2012 Olympics. Every time the United States needs her to do something, she's there. I mean, we are talking top ten athletic performances male or female at this point with that three goals, the hat trick, in 16 minutes in the most important game of her life.

BERMAN (on camera): There was a period of time in that game, it was really the first 20, because she missed two others. She could have had five goals in 20 minutes.

PEREIRA (on camera): Yes, yes.

BERMAN: She was so dominant, she did anything she wanted to on that field. Christina, you've written so eloquently about women's sports and Title IX. What struck me with this team is -- I just, the gender almost wasn't an issue when they were playing slow and badly at the beginning of the tournament, they were criticized for playing slow and badly just like any dude's team would be. And last night I saw men and women, I saw boys and girls just ecstatic about this performance, and I'm wondering if you're beginning to see finally some women's sports in a way transcend gender?

BRENNAN: Absolutely, John. You mentioned your twin boys wanting to be Carli Lloyd, wanting to be Alex Morgan. That is huge. I mean, think of that. A generation ago people wouldn't have been caught dead wanting their sons to say they were female athletes. So, that is a huge change, and you're right. The criticism, that also means equality. So, I think we are seeing the continuation from '99 to now, that's a big 16 years, and we're talking soccer, and we're talking sports. We're not comparing the women to the men. We're just appreciating them as the great assets they are.

PEREIRA: However, work to be done. Let's be honest, you and I both know the whole mess that is going on with inside FIFA, and that's ongoing right now, but also FIFA hasn't historically been supportive of women's soccer.

BRENNAN: Oh, not at all. They were playing on artificial turf.

BERMAN: Yes.

BRENNAN: Not grass. The men would have never played on artificial turf. That was a big deal. The money, the women get $2 million, the men get $35 million. You could see on the stage that there were very few women leaders in FIFA. So, there's a long way to go, but this is an important next step. In Title IX and around the world for women's sports.

CAMEROTA (on camera): So, Christine, Carli Lloyd turns 33 next week. What happens now with these women? Do we see them in 2016? Do they retire? What is next?

BRENNAN: We'll definitely see them at the Olympics in 2016. They'll all stick around, and that's great, and they've been dominant on the Olympic stage, so we would expect the U.S. will do very well Rio next year. Carli Lloyd's 33, Abby Wambach is 35. Abby said that's her last World Cup. So, I think we'll see her at the Olympics and then that'll probably be it.

[08:55:07] Carli, who knows? I could see her another four years from now going for it.

PEREIRA: Yes.

BRENNAN: They do play - they play pro soccer. Carli plays for Houston, there are games around the country, the women's pro league. If people loved what they saw yesterday, they should check out a game in the women's pro league because that's really how you support the next steps in women's sports.

PEREIRA: And let's be honest, if the toy makers knew anything about what is hot, make a Carli Lloyd action figure doll right there because she'll sell out.

BERMAN: All it does is score goals.

PEREIRA: Christine Brennan... BERMAN: All it does is score goals on a play (ph).

PEREIRA: Scoring machine.

Christine Brennan, really a delight to be able to talk to you. We can see the excitement in your face as well. Thanks for joining us today.

CAMEROTA: Thanks. Christine.

BRENNAN: It was great. Thank you., guys.

PEREIRA: Take care.

CAMEROTA: Great to see you.

All right, there was a frightening traffic stop, but it turned into an epic July 4th surprise. It's all the Good Stuff, that's coming up.

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PEREIRA: It is. I'm on to you.

BERMAN: Michaela was touching my hair, never touch my hair.

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BERMAN: All right, the Good Stuff. A woman is pulled over in Massachusetts and asked to get out of her car. That in itself never the Good Stuff.

PEREIRA: Okay.

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DARLENE MCALLISTER, WAS SURPRISED BY SON RETURNING HOME FROM THE ARMY: I'm scared. I'm like, what did I do wrong? I know I was speeding a little bit trying to get home.

BERMAN (voice-over): She was pulled out of a car, but there is a twist here. This was no ordinary traffic stop. It was an epic Fourth of July surprise.

CAMEROTA (voice-over): What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A soldier was coming home and he would like to surprise his mother, and he asked earlier in the weekend if he could have assistance from us, which obviously we would be more than happy to help him out.

BERMAN: In Massachusetts we call that wicked awesome. The soldier who arranged this elaborate plot is Army engineer Alan McAllister. He says it achieved its desired effect and then some. Look at that.. Yes. But remember, this is Massachusetts.

ALAN MCALLISTER, SURPRISED MOTHER WITH HIS RETURN FROM THE ARMY: It's one of those looks, like, so happy but so pissed off at the same time. (LAUGHTER)

BERMAN: Perfect, just perfect.

PEREIRA (voice-over): Love it, how beautiful.

CAMEROTA: That's great.

PEREIRA: Wonderful. Thanks for that.

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CAMEROTA (on camera): Thank you, and thank you, John Berman, for being with us.

PEREIRA (on camera): Yes.

CAMEROTA: Great to have you.

PEREIRA: You look sharp in that scarf.

BERMAN (on camera): Have a scarf.

CAMEROTA: All right. Time now for "NEWSROOM" with Ana Cabrera in for Carol Costello.

Good morning.

ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. How could anybody take John seriously as a journalist with that scarf around his neck?

PEREIRA: Wow. Wow.

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BERMAN: It's America.

PEREIRA: All of those years of schooling.

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PEREIRA: Ouch.

CABRERA: You're so patriotic, indeed. Have a good day, you guys.

PEREIRA: See you.