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[21:00:12] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, a white police officer tackles a black teenage girl and of course it is all caught on tape.

Yesterday, this officer resigned. Now, death threats have him hiding with his family.

And a brawl-mart exclusive. We have the shopper that recorded this video and she is speaking only to us and this program, and it all starts right

now with "Top of the Feed." Yeah. The attorney for that officer caught on tape body slamming a 14-year-old girl says, "Death threats have forced him

and his family into hiding." Take a look at this.

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CHIEF GREG CONLEY, MCKINNEY POLICE CHIEF: Eric Casebolt has resigned from the McKinney Police Department.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(CROWD SCREAMING)

UNIDENTIFIED 14-YEAR-OLD TEENAGE GIRL: Call my mama. Call my mama.

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ATTY. JANE BISHKIN, ERIC CASEBOLT`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The video that everyone has seen only depicts a small part of Eric`s actions that day.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CHIEF CONLEY: He came into the call out of control, and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE TEENAGER: Sir, we just came here. We do not know what is happening. He is like, "I do not care. Sit down."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hold up, sir --

ERIC CASEBOLT, OFFICER WHO BODY SLAMMED A 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL ON THE GROUND: I told you to stay. Get your (EXPLETIVE WORD) is down on the ground!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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ATTY. BISHKIN: He apologizes to all who were offended.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CASEBOLT: On your face!

(CROWD SCREAMING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED WHITE FEMALE RESIDENT: It is absolutely ridiculous. At the end of the day, the children screwed up and they did not listen to what the

police officer said.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE PRESS: Why did not he come today?

ATTY. BISHKIN: Honestly, the death threats. He is worried for his family.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Joining us, Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist, professor at Pepperdine University; Vanessa Barnett, Hiphollywood.com and Michael

Catherwood, my "Love Line" and KABC Radio co-host.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

The officer`s lawyer says he -- or she -- I beg your pardon. The officer had also detained a Caucasian white girl, but the video did not show that.

That mean anything, Vanessa, or is that just him grasping for defense?

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I am sure they want to kind of shift the narrative a little bit. But at the end of the day, I am more upset

that, that is how you treat a 14-year-old child. I do not think anyone should be body slamming and putting their knee in her back and pulling her

hair. It was excessive across the board.

PINSKY: Can we all agree? Well, across the board. We all agree what happened to the girl was inappropriate. Mike, you agree with that?

MICHAEL CATHERWOOD, CO-HOST OF "LOVE LINE" AND KABC RADIO: Yes. I do, I do. That is what I kind of annoys me about this issue is that, let us just

establish that and move on. There is other stuff to talk about with --

PINSKY: But you even had issue with the 14-year-old girl, the way she was behaving.

CATHERWOOD: Well, yeah, you know, people are always -- they are saying, "well, this could have easily been avoided if the cop did A, B, and C." I

said, "Well, let us also agree that it could have been easily avoided if the kids who, you know, actually behaved in an appropriate fashion when the

cops arrived on the scene." I mean that is --

BARNETT: But, you just -- You just see her walk away, right? In that video, I watched all seven minutes of it. That young lady along --

PINSKY: No, this is 35-minute video.

BARNETT: Well, I watched the seven minutes.

PINSKY: OK.

BARNETT: That girl, she walked away at that time. She walked away with those friends and he went to get her.

PINSKY: She would not say -- I heard she is saying, "I am going to call my lawyer. You cannot talk to me like this."

BARNETT: She went to her mother. She is 14 years old! She do not have a lawyer.

PINSKY: That was after she started getting attacked, is that what she got like that, Judy or was it just -- what do you say?

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I feel like there was a lot of context, of course, there is a 35-minute video, and there is even more

before that, Dr. Drew. This police officer had actually responded to two very intense calls.

There was a son who actually shot himself dead in front of his family earlier in the day. He responded to that. Then he responded to a daughter

who was threatening suicide and jumping off a roof. And, that was his second call. He was very reluctant to respond to this third call, because

he was already a mess, emotionally.

PINSKY: Well, he should not have, then.

HO: He should not have. This is actually, exactly, where this sort of happened, the self-awareness of saying, "No, I am not ready to handle this

situation," but he went in because his sense of duty probably challenged him to go in.

And, this is what happened. He went in a hyper-vigilant state and he is going to act this way, because all of us when we are hyper-vigilant, Dr.

Drew, are in that fight or flight. It is going to after. It is going to be aggressive.

PINSKY: Mike, you and I talked about it today in KABC Radio program. There was such a distinction. You guys all are softening on this cop. It

is interesting.

BARNETT: No, not all.

HO: I do not think it is softening.

BARNETT: Absolutely not.

PINSKY: Well, we found this amazing distinction between how some people saw this whole episode as being the result of kids not behaving themselves

and others feeling like, this is just more evidence of cops on African- Americans, which is something we are watching videos of on the news every day now.

BARNETT: Absolutely, you can hear him the way he talks to the young black kids, "Get your A-S-S out of here," and screaming and then the white kids

is, "Oh sit your butt down. You need to get out of the way."

And, no one is talking about the fact that this started with two white women hurling racial slurs at a black young lady and attacking her. Where

are they? Why are not they arrested? Where is the law there?

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: All right. In the audience, I have Rolonda Watts. She is host of "Sundays With Rolonda" podcast. Rolonda, what is your reaction on all of

this? You get what I am saying that there are these two distinct points of view?

ROLONDA WATTS, HOST, "SUNDAYS WITH ROLONDA" PODCAST: Well, I think we have a huge problem in America. And, the good news is, we are having to face

the truth. I do not think it is the --

[21:05:02] PINSKY: Wait, what is the truth? I do not get it yet?

WATTS: Well, I think the truth is we have a bunch of Rambo cops out of control, is what I think. And, I do not think it has to do so much with

race. I think it has to do with power. also think -- I also think it has to do with a tremendous disrespect.

I do not care how -- no little girl needs to be told, "Move your ass this way." The profanity that he used, the way he handled a little 14-year-old

girl in her, what? Bathing suit? What threat was that to a police officer?

The way he entered the scene, like Rambo or Crocodile Dundee says that he is coming in there trying to be a power monger. I think a lot of cops, I

do not know what their background is, I think that is something that needs to be discussed; because you got a bunch of people coming in who want to

beat up people. That is why they want to be a cop.

And, I think it is overrun with power and I think that we are citizens who are supposed to be protected by the very people who are smashing faces into

walls, who are shooting people, who are disrespecting our communities and the children in it.

PINSKY: Mike?

CATHERWOOD: I mean, listen. That is your opinion, and I certainly think that if you give a young guy a badge and a gun, there is going to be an

element where there is guys that get power hungry and their ego get in the way.

WATTS: Well, they should not be a cop. Thank you.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CATHERWOOD: Well, listen --

PINSKY: Or maybe more training.

WATTS: Do not protect me. Do not claim you are protecting me if you are running around hurting my children.

CATHERWOOD: Well, that was not my point. I was simply -- I was further echoing your sentiment about that there may be a power struggle. But, at

the same time, why are we just avoiding the fact that these kids suck. These are terrible kids.

WATTS: Well, first of all --

CATHERWOOD: And if the cop -- black or white --

(CROSSTALK)

WATTS: Let me ask you -- but I want to know why you think they suck?

CATHERWOOD: Because the reason -- if she saying that --

WATTS: Get the bathing suits out in the summer afternoon.

CATHERWOOD: And, that is another thing, why are we still calling this a pool party. It was a pool party hours before these kids started taking a

mutiny on a neighborhood to the point that the residents had to call 911 to get cops to come there, to prevent them from further beating --

WATTS: -- those kids in their neighborhood.

CATHERWOOD: OK.

BARNETT: That is their neighborhood.

CATHERWOOD: OK.

BARNETT: No one wants to talk about the fact that most of those kids on that video live in that neighborhood.

(CROSTALK)

WATTS: This is not like the ghetto.

CATHERWOOD: I understand. Listen, that is besides the point. But if I am here -- if there is a ruckus to the point that I am feeling like I need to

call the cops in my street and when I walk outside, I see one of my neighbors having her hair pulled by kids that I do not know, they are not

going to have video of a cop beating that little kid. They are going to have video of me kicking the crap out of that little kill.

PINSKY: All right. Hold it right there.

CATHERWOOD: Because I am protecting my family.

PINSKY: Hold it.

CATHERWOOD: And, it is like everyone is rushing to this -- and I understand --

WATTS: What threatens your families with kids in bathing suits. Do they have bats? Guns? Knives?

CATHERWOOD: No. No.

WATTS: Why are they called a mob and not a group of kids? Would they be called the same thing in Brentwood?

CATHERWOOD: Probably! Probably!

WATTS: I do not think so.

CATHERWOOD: Listen. Here is the truth. I mean, this is coming on the tail end of really, really high levels of racial tension between law

enforcement and African-American individuals in this country. And, that is unfortunate.

PINSKY: I am going to keep this conversation going.

CATHERWOOD: But this actual --

PINSKY: But I have got to cut out right now. Mike, hold on a second. Later on, the Walmart shopper who had a brawl, I will show you right here,

there it is. They are going to keep arguing through the break. Do not worry. This brawl was recorded by a woman who will speak to exclusively.

You will not hear it anywhere else. We will be right back.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:08:29] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[21:12:30] CASEBOLT: That way!

UNIDENTIFIED TEENAGE GIRL: Do not talk (EXPLETIVE WORD)

CASEBOLT: Get your (EXPLETIVE WORD) home!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAHI ADISA BAKARI, FATHER OF A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL ALSO STRUCK BY OFFICER ERIC CASEBOLT: This guy was just out of control. He should be drug tested and

then fired.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(CROWD SCREAMING)

UNIDENTIFIED WHITE FEMALE RESIDENT: I think what he did was all right to pull his gun. He did not shoot anybody.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CASEBOLT: I am going to tell you one more time. Get your (EXPLETIVE WORD) out of here!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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BAKARI: I think the only reason is because they were black.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED WHITE FEMALE RESIDENT: I think he deserves a medal for what he did. I really do. I do not believe he was out of line one bit. Those

kids were taunting them and cursing them out.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Peace has been restored in my studio, but a Texas officer in Texas has resigned. He is now hiding after having body slammed a teenage girl,

and pulling a gun on the unarmed peers, as you saw in that video there. The girl in that video, the little 14-year-old, spoke to our affiliate.

Take a look.

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DAJERRIA BECTON, A 14-YEAR-OLD BIKIN-CLAD GIRL BEING THROWN DOWN BY A POLICE OFFICER: He told me to keep walking. And, I kept walking. And,

then, I am guessing he thought we were saying rude stuff to him. He grabbed me and he, like, twisted my arms on the back of my back. And, he

shoved me in the grass. He started pulling back on my braids. And, I was like, telling him that he can get off me, because my back was hurting

really bad.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: And, now the teen that had recorded that video also spoke to our affiliate, take a look at this piece.

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BRANDON BROOKS, TEENAGE BOY WHO FILMED POLICE ALTERCATION: He is just going crazy, putting people in handcuffs, tackling people, slinging them to

the ground. I was one of the only white people in the area when it was -- when that was happening.

And, you can see in part of the video, where he tells us to sit down and he kind of like skips over me and tells all my African-American friends to go

sit down. When he pulled his gun, my heart dropped, as soon as he pulled out his gun, I thought he was going to shoot that kid.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Judy, Vanessa, and Mike. And, joining us via Skype, John Cardillo, former NYPD Officer. John, did the police chief throw this

officer under the bus?

JOHN CARDILLO, FORMER NYPD OFFICER: Oh, yes, gutless. The police chief, I have no respect for him. He did not even give the guy the benefit of an

inquiry for more than a day. He threw him under the bus in 15 minutes, disregarded a 10-year career, this guy`s promotion to supervisor, and the

guy had no choice but to resign. He never would have gotten a fair shake in the department.

PINSKY: And yet, vanessa, you think he should be fired and should not have access to any of his benefits?

[21:15:00] BARNETT: Not necessarily no benefits. I think -- I am here for justice. If he needs a full inquiry, if we need to figure out what his

side of the story, X, Y and Z, I am here for justice for everyone. But his own attorney said that he was out of line. He was irrational. He even

said that he was emotional in this situation and that he was wrong.

PINSKY: Mike?

CATHERWOOD: I just -- I mean, I do not know. I do not know enough about law -- I do not know anything about law enforcement, whether he was

behaving appropriately or not. I know that I would have -- it would be really extreme situation for me to put my hands on a little girl, in a

bikini, I agree.

But at the same time, I just think it is crazy to avoid the idea that, you know -- it is a large group of kids. It has nothing to do with the color

of skin. It is a big group of kids making a melee to the point that three residents had to call 911.

PINSKY: What is your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Hi. I do not have so much of a question. It is just an observation.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: It seems to me that everybody in the video -- everybody is acting like a complete idiot.

PINSKY: OK. The cop is included.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I mean no one seems to know --

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: The police and the people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: No one seems to know their role anymore. Like Mike said, no one has any respect. The kids do not have respect for the

cop, the cop do not have respect for the kids. It just seem like --

PINSKY: Rolonda, what do you say to that?

WATTS: You know, I have to agree. I think what it all boils down to at the end of the day, and I think most Americans would agree. It is just how

we treat each other. There is a lack of civility in this nation.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

I mean, just respect for children, for each other. And, I think that I am really proud of the little boy who took the picture and made that truth

statement. I am really proud of the other 11 cops who did the right thing.

PINSKY: And you, sir, have a comment as well as a question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes, I have a comment. Not really a question. I agree, I saw the video before today, about a gentleman said there was

five things that happened before the videotape.

PINSKY: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: And, I agree, we do not have all the information. Same as celebrity gossip.

PINSKY: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: We never have all the information. It is very, very difficult to talk about something or clap about something or

have an opinion when you do not even know all the facts.

HO: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: We are operating off of hearsay, you know. But for what it was, none of that was all right. None of it was necessary.

It does not matter what he went through before. You know what I mean? Some things, you know, it does not matter what you were going through

before or what happened after. From what we saw in the video, it was unnecessary.

PINSKY: OK. John Cardillo, does it matter what happened before? We are hearing now that he was attending to a suicide and a near-suicide and he

was questioning whether he should even shown up at a problem like this. Now, mind you, it was three or four 911 calls in before he responded, but

should he have put himself in this after all he went through that day?

CARDILLO: Well, he does not have a choice. I mean your psychologist on the panel, Judy -- you know, I agree with 85 percent of what she said.

But, police officers do not choose the jobs they respond to.

The dispatcher goes over the radio and tells them where to be. And, they go and they respond. They do not have the luxury of saying, "Hey, I am

stressed out. I am not going to show up."

PINSKY: John, you told me there is a criteria of cowardice or something. Is that right? That if they do not go, they are violating some policy and

being a coward?

CARDILLO: No, I did not have that -- I do not think that was you and I. But -- sure, I mean, culturally, you want to respond and back your partners

up. But, I do not believe that was the case here.

This was a really large crowd, as Mike says. That is the crux of the issue. This was a big crowd. Some reports were telling the police it was

over 100 people. And, in case like that, it is an all units response. Every available unit goes.

You do not know if they have guns. You do not know if they are armed. You do not know if there are gangs fighting with gangs until you get there. It

is easy to laugh and say it is a 14-year-old girl.

PINSKY: Next up, you, sir?

CARDILLO: We do not know that.

PINSKY: Yes. John, hang on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Well, just kind of going off what the gentleman was saying like, I honestly think that is BS. Because as a

police officer --

PINSKY: You are a police officer?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: No, no, no. I am saying as a police officer - -

PINSKY: No. If you were one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. It is a police officer`s job to protect and to serve, and you are supposed to be trained to be able to handle

situations, not swap rolling like some urban ninja.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Hold on. Judy got something to say to that.

(LAUGHING)

HO: Listen, this is a problem, though. I think the problem is way bigger -- we are talking about this situation only. And, really the problem goes

all the way back to evaluation of the police, when they are being hired, and what is the actual criteria?

WATTS: That is right.

HO: And, we actually select, oftentimes, for criteria of aggressiveness, because we do necessitate that a little bit in our policemen. And, there

is no nationalized standard of what types of characteristics we are looking for, Dr. Drew.

So ,the problem goes back to even the moment of hiring and their training. And, if that is faulty, how do you expect them to respond? They might

actually be following their code book to the letter.

PINSKY: And, Rolonda, you cannot escape that every one of these stories that we keep reporting are about African-Americans and police. Is there

something --

WATTS: Well, I think, listen. Listen, Dr. Drew, we were not born yesterday. We know this is in the fabric of this nation. This is nothing

-- the only thing new, Dr. Drew, is there are cameras today. And, I am telling these Millennials, this is your new civil rights movement. This is

the millennials` new civil rights movement. Welcome to the struggle, people.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:20:00] PINSKY: All right. I agree with you, Rolonda. Here is my problem, though -- I agree with you. Listen, we all -- I feel like this

conversation has moved forward a little bit. We are not just so into the black and the white and the police versus African-American. It is more

nuanced now.

But, I think we do have the cameras now, we do have to record these things and we do have to move the process forward somehow. And, I am not quite

sure how we do it yet, if we are not all of us to be responsible for it. What did I say yesterday? We have to all get in the boat yesterday and

start rowing together.

Vanessa loved that metaphor. But I think we need leaders that bring us together and do not let us fall apart, because we have a risk of doing that

right now. And, we have to begin raising kids with an understanding that police have a job to do. I want police to do their jobs. I do not want

them to do their jobs.

And I want them to -- look at Baltimore right now. Things are in trouble because the police are backing off. But, we have to raise our kids to

understand that if the cops say freeze, just freeze. That is just what we got to do. Not fight.

Next, I will speak exclusively to the Walmart shopper who recorded this fight in the shampoo aisle. Look at this. This is America at its best.

In a Walmart, jumping out of a scooter, extreme violence. More racism. We will be right back with all of it.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[21:25:00] PINSKY: This is a mom and her little boy who battle a fellow shopper at a Walmart. Yes. It is now -- we are re-naming this particular

story Brawl-mart. Yeah.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CLANTON: It is so disturbing. It all starts when somebody reports that a woman in a motorized scooter is supposedly complaining to an employee that

there are too many carts in the aisle.

SCHACHER: What?

CLANTON: And, so, the other woman, supposedly the shopper, comes up and she is trying to defend the employee, supposedly. And, this is how the

brawl starts, right?

PINSKY: I heard like the "N" word was being thrown around.

CLANTON: Right. That is the second version. This is the worst part about this, though; not, only that. Now, her son, the little boy is only 6 years

old. And, you can hear her in the video telling her son, "Punch her in the face. Punch her in the bleeping face."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: And this of course the segment called, "What the?!" One of the women who recorded that video -- of the video here we are watching of the

brawl is here exclusively. We will speak with her in just a minute.

But first, the fight is being explained by a woman named Amber, who says she was the one jumped by the woman in a scooter. How that woman was able

to jump out of her scooter and begin karate kicking here is beyond me. But, Amber called into radio station, WZPL. Take a listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

AMBER: I was walking by -- me and my son, and we ah -- she was sitting there yelling at an employee at Wallmart. And, she was telling her that

she was (EXPLETIVE WORD) (N-word) that she was going to get out of the chair and whoop her (EXPLETIVE WORD).

I walked by and asked her if she was miserable with her life. And, that is when she decided to roll her supposedly crippled (EXPLETIVE WORD) down

there and hump out of the chair. No one jumped in. No one tried to help. No one tried to pull my son back.

I do not blame the Walmart employees for not intervening. But, as far as security, if you go to any other Walmart-fight video, security is right

there trying to break them up.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: And Amber did not respond to our request for comment. I am back with Judy, Vanessa, Mike, and my audience is worked up by the whole notion

that there are Walmart fight videos out there.

CATHERWOOD: That is a subgenre now.

PINSKY: That is how ridiculous this is. Everybody, children exposed to domestic violence here, racism, violence. People misusing the Workers`

Comp system and maybe -- I mean there is so much in here.

That is why I said, "Welcome to America. This is an American drama playing out in the aisles of Walmart. And, Vanessa, my question though, should

Amber have gotten involved in the first place?

BARNETT: Yes! You want to live in a world where people are going to speak out when they see injustices. And, if you end up in a fight, it does not

sound like she wanted to be in a fight. But, if somebody is hitting you on your head, then what do you do?

PINSKY: Judy, do you get what I am saying here with the Workers` Comp system? This woman is in a scoo-ter.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: She is probably has disability forms filed somewhere, and she is able to fly out of her scooter and run down the aisle and really assault a

woman.

HO: I really do not know what her disability is for, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: What is her disability? What is her disability?

HO: Clearly, not the scooter. It is not the scooter. Listen -- no, listen, we do not know exactly what was going on with this woman. But you

are right, this is not the first example. And this is our problem, Dr. Drew. We have these Walmart employees. They are actually told not to

intervene. That is true. Somehow, the security was not on the scene --

PINSKY: Wait, wait, wait.

HO: OK.

PINSKY: I got to bring an attorney in here. I got Anneelise Goetz. She is here with us. Anneelise, let us start talking about the legality. So,

Judy says the Walmart employees are told not to get involved in these violent altercations. There are subgenres now of videos with Walmart

fights. Is that good policy, to -- that is the only way they can do it?

ANNEELISE GOETZ, ATTORNEY: It is excellent policy for Walmart and any other business owner out there. Because what you do not want, both you do

not want your employees getting hurt, because then they will sue you.

And you do not want your employees hurting other people. So, think if you are at a restaurant. Think if your shopping somewhere and an employee of

that company hits you or gets involved in an altercation, you are going to sue that company.

PINSKY: But, this is sort of an extreme example. There is a child involved here, they cannot even get to the kid for fear of being accused of

-- it seems to me, like they are fearful of touching the child, for fear someone will accuse them of something.

BARNETT: Yes.

GOETZ: Exactly. That is what they are fearful of? So, that they then have an excuse --

PINSKY: That is good? This is a good thing?

GOETZ: Well, it is not good that we live in a society where we will get sued like that, I agree. But the fact is, they do not want employees

getting involved in those kind of altercations. That being said, people were filming it, OK? Everyone is watching it. You hear the background

noise. Someone should have stepped in, and at the very least, pulled that kid out.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Someone that is not an employee?

GOETZ: Not an employee.

CATHERWOOD: There are male shoppers -- if you watch the entire video, that walk by, and then just start watching it, as if it is a Sunday NFL football

game.

[21:30:00] PINSKY: But would you -- let me ask you, Mike. Mike -- Mike, would you have grabbed that kid and pulled him aside. And, by the way, the

kid starts mouthing off to people and telling them to --

CATHERWOOD: That is the only reason I honestly -- and I am not trying to sound, you know, I am some valiant cowboy. But if I walk by and saw two

women fighting like that, and I was just minding my own business and I happen to see that, I would want to stay out of it because I would not want

to get sued too. But it would go through my head like I might break that up --

PINSKY: -- but the child --

CATHERWOOD: But, no, no. If you see a little kid there, I cannot believe nobody thought --

BARNETT: Because that kid is kicking ass too --

PINSKY: That is my point. Anneelise -- hang on.

CATHERWOOD: Well, that is another good point. If you watch the video, I think a guy actually says, "Hey, kid! Come over here." And, the kid comes

over there and start saying, "Do not tell me what to do!"

PINSKY: I understand that. What if he grabbed the kid and the kid start swinging that and the kids says, "Oh, my shoulder hurts now."

BARNETT: Yes. Right.

PINSKY: Then that person has a liability.

HO: Right.

GOETZ: Well, OK. Yes, they might have a liability. But, here is the thing. The probability that they actually have to go in, prove and have a

lawsuit, at some point in time, you have to just do the right thing.

PINSKY: Yes!

GOETZ: That means getting the kid out! And, it means calling for security. It is a miscarriage of justice that no one got the got the

security guards there for, what? Like 11 minutes?

PINSKY: Well, the police took 20 minutes to get there. We take a look at videos of things happening in subway platforms and stores --

HO: That is right.

PINSKY: And we go, "Oh, it is a bystander effect."

HO: Right.

PINSKY: It is a bystander effect and it is also, Judy, fear of getting sued these days.

HO: That is right.

PINSKY: They are fear of having legal problems.

HO: That is right. You might actually have the intention to help. And, the person who filmed this video, that is their way of helping, maybe,

because it is too scary to actually get involved and potentially either get hurt or hurt somebody else and get sued?

But, the bystander effect, even though we talked about this all the time, it is what is operating here. We are watching around to look at what

everybody else is doing. If no one is intervening, we think we should not intervene either.

PINSKY: So, if there is already a policy of no intervention, then that is going to add to the bystander effect. Joining me now via Skype exclusively

is April Hurley. She is the witness who shot the video. April, were you as shocked as I was to see that woman fly out of her scooter like that?

Can April hear me?

APRIL HURLEY, RECORDED WALMART FIGHT VIDEO: I cannot hear anything.

PINSKY: Oh-oh, she cannot hear me.

CATHERWOOD: April, first off, has beautiful hair.

PINSKY: She does have beautiful hair. But, I am going to show you more of the chaos that was posted to YouTube. Do you, guys, have more of that?

Let us show that while we try to help this connection with the Skype. Can you show that? Here it comes. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: You want it? You want it? Are you [EXPLETIVE WORD] serious? You want it? What are you going to do? Come

on. You want this? You want this [EXPLETIVE WORD].

AMBER: Johnnie, punch her in the face. Punch her in the [EXPLETIVE WORD] face.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE BYSTANDER: You tell your son that? Hey, somebody grab that little boy and get him out of the way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE BYSTANDER Ooh!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE BYSTANDER: He is punching her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE BYSTANDER: Get your mama`s back, baby. They ain`t really fighting.

UNIDENTIFIED TODDLER: I do not care about you, dummy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Next up, I will get to the -- I will make that Skype work one way or another. I am going to speak to the woman that documented that Brawl-

mart fight, and the conversation will continue with our legal counsel and my panel.

And, later, new homeowners discover the house of their dreams is literally crawling with snakes. We will have that and more after this.

(LAUGHING)

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[21:37:14] PINSKY: The thing that I find most disturbing is the woman who is supposedly disabled is able to jump up, karate kick. Some people try

to, you know, yell, to get the kid out of there --

CLANTON: Right.

PINSKY: And the kid runs up --

CLANTON: And, the kid -- he says, "I am not playing with you. I am not playing with you, you cannot tell me what to do. Do not touch me. You do

not even tell me what to do."

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: The first thing I thought when I saw this video was child protective services.

PINSKY: Yes.

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CATHERWOOD: I cannot believe the cardio these two fat [EXPLETIVE WORD) had. I mean that fight lasted like ten minutes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Judy, Vanessa, and Mike. And, here now is more from Amber, who was at the center of the fight. Listen to this. She is one of

the women fighting in the fight. Listen to this from radio station, WPZL.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

AMBER: He got a little crazy. I mean, he is a little crazy kid. My son has been a straight-A honor roll student all year, in his kindergarten

year. He is the teacher is pet. He is in a Christian private school. My son has raised perfectly right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Amen!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: Oh, Mike, yes, that is perfection.

HO: Because a catholic school is always raises --

PINSKY: Well, the Duggars taught us that, of course. Not just the catholic, but I mean the hyper-religious environment. But, Mike, being

around violence of course it is crazy --

CATHERWOOD: It is. It is insane.

PINSKY: There is no relationship between cognitive functioning, academic function and emotional functioning --

CATHERWOOD: Some of the most horrible people we know, Dr. Drew, have 180 I.Q.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: And went to Harvard.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: People are talking about well, you can videotape now to protect yourself. People videotape fights so they can get on world star

Hip-hop, so they can get on fightsofwalmart.com or whatever it is. In the YouTube world we live in, that is the only reason you break out your phone

when you see stuff go on like that.

PINSKY: Well, hang on. I got guess. Now, I am going to back out via Skype, exclusively, I have April Hurley. She is the witness who shot the

video. April, were you just shocked and pulled your camera out, because you wanted to document what was going on and you could not really do

anything, anyway?

HURLEY: Yes, pretty much. When I had walked up to -- I was walking in the direction that they were arguing, automatically. And, my first instinct

was to pull out my phone, so that if somebody was to say something was the way that it was not, I had proof that it did not go down the way somebody

said it did.

PINSKY: See. I think that is smart. I think -- It is the civil rights instrument of the future. Now, were you surprised, April -- the thing

that, again, I cannot get out of my mind is the way this woman that seems to be -- I am going to use a strong word, masquerading as disabled was able

to fly out of her seat and run down an aisle and tackle somebody. Did that surprise you?

HURLEY: Yes, it did. I mean if you are disabled and you are on a wheelchair -- in one of those carts and you cannot walk, why would you be

able to get up and attack somebody?

BARNETT: Disabled with laziness. She did not want to walk around big old Walmart. Walmart is big!

[21:40:00] PINSKY: Well, Anneelise -- Anneelise Goetz is still here, our attorney. Anneelise, you know, our disability system, our Workers Comp

system, it is a mess. Right? I mean this would not be unusual.

GOETZ: It is not unusual, unfortunately, yes. You do have fraud that happens in that arena all the time.

PINSKY: We are not accusing someone of fraud. We do not know what the heck is going on here, but we do. There is lots of it.

GOETZ: Yes. There is lots of it. It is wrought within our system. I wonder, is that Medicare that paid for that scooter, and so we are all

paying for it. What physician signed off, said that she had a disability?

Does she have a handicapped placard in her car, taking the spot of someone who is actually is disabled. But, some say, it could be a felony, if you

mislead an application on those handicap.

PINSKY: And Mike, when you and I think of something, we see people in chairs like that too, something that is really a serious problem, I chant

about all the time.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. Yes, and someone in the audience was talking about this during the break. What if there is someone -- a veteran there who has his

leg blown off and he cannot get a scooter because this fat bitch is trolling around --

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: I was not thinking about that. I was thinking about pain meds. Pain meds -- pain meds. Pain meds, can render somebody like that

legitimately, they cannot render their pain meds --

CATHERWOOD: So, when people`s ambulatory efficiency has been compromised to the point that they need those motorized scooters. It is serious, you

know?

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: For someone, who even had the ability, regardless of how much pain she may have been in, let us say she truly is handicapped in some way.

To get up and go for -- I mean let me remind you, like, an 11-minute fight. That takes serious cardio. I mean she is pushing it. I mean that was a

serious brawl. I do not care.

PINSKY: The ring is three minutes, guys. Three minutes.

CATHERWOOD: I think that the people who truly need those scooters, they do not have that ability.

PINSKY: Right.

CATHERWOOD: You know what I am saying?

PINSKY: Right. Let us go to the audience. Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Hello, there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: So, I actually have a comment. I have a problem with the fact that people pull out their phones instead of doing

something. And, we have come to a time in society where it is more important for people to make viral videos, like Mike said, and to get on

the internet and to get famous rather than doing the right thing and being decent people.

PINSKY: Well -- and doing the right thing is a difficult -- I do not disagree with you, but it is a hard thing to call in a moment where there

is violence going on.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: I remember -- remember --

CATHERWOOD: I do not think it is a hard thing to call when there is a little kid standing there. And, maybe the kid fights you back -- but if

you are walking through Walmart and then you see a brawl like that -- that was brutal.

PINSKY: You are going to jump -- you can jump in the middle of it.

BARNETT: Right. That is why we need these videos. These videos have helped us immensely in any case.

PINSKY: Do you remember the first time we saw this? It was a woman who went crazy in a McDonald`s. Did you remember this, Judy?

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: We all went, "Oh, how crazy. People stood by." She was naked.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: That is right. She was naked and she was manic in McDonald`s.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: And, we all thought, how awful, people just took a picture of this. Now, we are very accepting of it now. Other question from the

audience.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I just think the whole thing is completely ridiculous. I mean I would not -- I would never put my child in that

position, whatsoever, and I would just be like --

HO: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: -- I mean I would defend myself if someone was attacking me, but if my child was in that position, I would just -- I

mean I would just walk away. It is like -- you do not tell your child to go do something like that.

HO: Yes. Well, right. And I think people should be acting differently, especially when their children are around. And, in fact, this mother tried

to engage her child in violent behavior. And we see this type of generational transmission all the time.

PINSKY: But, here is the deal. It is so crazy that we all look at this and we talk about the fight -- we do not talk about exactly what she

brought up, which is the healthy thing to do -- what happened to turning the other cheek. Are not we supposed to be a Christian society? April, I

want to get your last comment. Go ahead.

HURLEY: You know what I wanted to say was, you know, sometimes the crowd might pull out a video and record, because they are not able to get in and

intervene.

HO: Exactly.

HURLEY: Like, in my case, I had just had surgery and I have incisions on my stomach that I did not want to bust open. So, I am not going to get

involved. Let alone, if I was to get involved and try to split the women up, then one of them throws a punch at me. Next thing I know, I am

punching somebody and we are all going to jail.

PINSKY: And, you know, it is interesting, April -- so we have three licensed people here, we have an attorney, we have a physician, we have a

therapist, none of us could recommend that you get involved with that, right?

HO: Absolutely not?

PINSKY: We could not -- right. So, she did the right thing by not getting involved.

GOETZ: But call, bring in authorities.

PINSKY: They did, but 20 minutes to get the cops. Walmart has their policies.

GOETZ: Call the security. They should be more than what actually happened.

HO: Supposedly, the security was changing guard, but there was 20 minutes in there when nobody was no --

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: What are they -- changing guard? It is a single department store. "Hey, it is time for you to change your post."

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Listen. I got to give you the Walmart statement I have. They told us that they do not ask their workers to put themselves in harm`s way

during a violent altercation, thus the website. Apparently, a lot of other retail chains have that same policy. There is their statement to us. One

more audience question here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Well, I just want to know, the fact that there is such a thing as a Walmart final channel or blog site or whatever

it is and people of Walmart has been a big thing for the last ten years. We all laugh at it, but is there -- what does this really say about

society? Is this just entertainment?

[21:45:00] CATHERWOOD: No. You know what it says? It says something about Walmart that not a lot of people are pointing out. Walmart goes into

every rural town all across the U.S. and buries every mom and pop store -- and make it so all you can do is afford the Chinese-made reduced prices --

PINSKY: No, Mike --

CATHERWOOD: -- that they stock their 10,000-square foot place full of. And then everybody is screwed. And, then they wonder why all this stuff

seems to go down there.

PINSKY: No. I think -- I humbly disagree. I think that after we read from the Walmart`s statement because of that rant. But I think it speaks

volumes about us. These are uniquely American videos. You do not see these in France, you know what I am saying? You know what I am saying?

The violence, the racism, the obesity, the pain medication, maybe. I mean, come on, everybody. This is a wake-up call. I am glad these things are

out there, but let us not look and gawk at them. Let us look at them as a challenge that we have to live up -- all these videos we have looked up

today to challenge us. Let us live up to something better.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

Next up, a realtor is slapped with a lawsuit after new homeowners discover their new house is literally crawling with snakes. Back after this.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

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[21:50: 22] PINSKY: Time now for the "Click Fix," where my guests share what is trending on their Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter feeds. And,

Mike Catherwood, you are first.

CATHERWOOD: This is road rage gone wrong.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: But, not that there is road rage gone right. But, this is actually right here in Hollywood. Two guys jockeying for a position as

they exit the freeway. They get in a fight. They get out of their cars --

PINSKY: That guy almost got hit by a car.

HO: Oh my God.

BARNETT: Oh my God.

CATHERWOOD: Look at that!

PINSKY: This is -- Why? Why?

CATHERWOOD: I do not know. I do not know. I honestly think that people are --

BARNETT: Geesh!

PINSKY: And it is men, too.

BARNETT: Oh, where could he come from?

CATHERWOOD: Oh, where did he come from?

HO: What?

BARNETT: Who was that?

PINSKY: What is the other guy getting involved for? What is this, now?

CATHERWOOD: Reaching out of the car like a train robbery.

PINSKY: Is this the beginning of it? Are they --

CATHERWOOD: Yes. This is how it started. He punched him from out and he said, "Well, now I got to fistfight you, because -"

PINSKY: The guy with the tie on.

CATHERWOOD: Wow!

(SCREAMING)

PINSKY: Imagine if he killed that guy?

CATHERWOOD: By the way, this is in the middle of the streets of Hollywood. For those of you watching around the country, there is a lot of traffic.

This is not like they pulled off on some side street.

BARNETT: Oh, my God, they kept fighting.

PINSKY: Where are the bystanders.

CATHERWOOD: Well, neither guy filed a police report, so the police are actually hoping that the public can help out in finding out who these

gentleman are.

PINSKY: All right. Judy, you are up.

HO: All right. So, this story, luckily, does not involve fighting, but it is sad for a different reason. This man actually was dancing on the top of

a sheriff cruiser and was talking about the fact that he had to do it --

PINSKY: Why, why?

HO: He had to do it because vampires were coming after him and he was seeking help from the sheriff of Nottingham. He has his stories all

crossed. That is the villain in "Robin Hood." Anyway --

PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Is he goofing or is he psychotic?

HO: No. I think he is psychotic, where they just put him in jail, Dr. Drew. So, clearly, he need some help. They just put him in jail. I am

really bummed about that. He was dancing to a hot track, too, for six minutes. So, this went on for a long time.

CATEHRWOOD: Six minutes?

HO: He danced for six minutes.

BARNETT: The cardiac.

HO: But, he needs treatment, Dr. Drew, clearly. He has psychotic.

PINSKY: So, we would call it probably mania or schizophrenic.

HO: It might be drug induced. Either way, he needs treatment.

PINSKY: Drug induced, Flakka.

BARNETT: I wish I could have a dance party like that.

(LAUGHING)

CATEHRWOOD: Flakka?

PINSKY: Have you been seen -- somebody has asked me about Flakka yesterday. It has been on my mind all day. Have you been much Flakka out

there?

BARNETT: No.

PINSKY: A lot of it in the drug units right now.

BARNETT: What?

PINSKY: Yes. Good times. Vanessa, what is up?

BARNETT: My video is not a dancing or a fight. It is more -- it is kind of disgusting. It is an infestation of snakes in these people`s houses.

The craziest video. I saw it all over my Facebook feed. It was disgusting.

PINSKY: You like snakes? You like them?

BARNETT: No! Nobody likes snakes? I do not think anyone loves snakes, especially in their home. And, they discovered -- This family discovered

black rat snakes. And they had just got into this home in December.

The biggest one, Dr. Drew, was 7 feet long. Their child found the 7-foot snake in their house. And, they are not venomous, was they lay these

pheromones around the house and they can come back year after year, every winter.

And even if you burn the house down, the pheromones stay. So, they could return, like in ten years. They stay for ten years. And, now the family

is suing the realtor, because the realtor -- the parents of the realtor owned the house.

PINSKY: So, they knew.

BARNETT: The family is like, somebody knew something. So, they are suing for $2 million. Three times what the house is worth.

PINSKY: And, Mike, a lot of snakes where we grew up.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. There is a lot of snakes, but I have never seen a 7- footer. Never once.

BARNETT: In someone`s house.

CATEHRWOOD: I know, that is really scary.

PINSKY: All right. I think this is my favorite, "Click Fix" thus far. Good job, guys. Please do not forget to follow us on Facebook and then

join us on our after show. What do you want to talk about in the after- show? We will think about that.

HO: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: Flakka.

PINSKY: Flakka -- probably the situation with that pool party. But, we are back after this.

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[21:58:15] PINSKY: Time for Dr. Drew`s Qs. Your chance to ask me a question on any topic. Try to stump me and tweet me with your questions

@DrDrewHLN. And, use the hash tag -- we will look for the #DrDrewsQs.

Let us start with a Twitter. Alicia, a tweet. Alicia says, "I just moved in with my boyfriend, but I still want him to propose. Did moving in just

kill his motivation to get married?"

Really interesting question. My wife kind of did the same thing to me and she said, "You have one year to make up your mind," and at the end I am

out. I think that was a really smart strategy.

I do not have any problem with people living together, provided that it is time limited. Otherwise, it will. It might kill his motivation. It might

just drag on, why should -- motivation to change things -- One year, maximum, then you are out. Live by that. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi, Dr. Drew, although my boyfriend loves this voice, what can I do to get rid of my laryngitis.

PINSKY: Oh-oh. How long have you had that for?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Three days.

PINSKY: Because you got to -- you know you need diagnosis first before you will get treatment. And, it does kind of sounds like nodes in there. Has

anybody ever looked down to see what is going on?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No. I have not been to a doctor. I just assumed --

PINSKY: Does it hurt, if you move your larynx around, does it hurt?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No.

PINSKY: It just happened all of a sudden.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes. Yes.

PINSKY: Well, you actually do need some sort of -- give it some time, obviously, steam, lots and lots of steams, lots and lots of warm liquids,

that kind of stuff.

But if after about a week to ten days, this is not getting better, you will want to see a Ear, Nose, and Throat doctor. There are steroid sprays.

There is injection they can do. But, it needs a careful diagnosis before you can get treatment. OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: OK. Thank you.

PINSKY: You bet. Let me try one more tweet, real quick. I have a few seconds here. If you guys can put one up for me. Let us do this. Time

for it? Kaylee, "My grandmother is an alcoholic, and my family warned me never to drink. How likely am I?"

If you have a first-degree relative, it is roughly typically 50 percent probability. About 60 percent of the disease is kind of in the basis of

genetics alone. So, consider your risk about 50/50. Probably, better not to drink. Thank you all for watching. DVR us. You can watch us anytime.

We will see you next time.

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