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[21:00:12] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, breaking news surrounding the police officer who had body slammed a teenage girl at a pool party. He

has resigned, citing concerns for his safety. Now, his victim is speaking out. We will hear from her.

Plus, Caitlyn Jenner is facing a new lawsuit, and it all starts right now on "Top of the Feed." A white police officer tackles a black teenage girl,

then draws his gun on her unarmed peers. Tonight, he has resigned, and protesters are demanding answers. Take a look at this.

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CHIEF GREG CONLEY, MCKINNEY POLICE CHIEF: Eric Casebolt has resigned from the McKinney Police Department.

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GROUP OF PROTESTERS IN MCKINNEY: Let us go swimming! Let us go swimming!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: What law did he break?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Well, what law did the kid break?

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ERIC CASEBOLT, POLICE OFFICER WHO SLAMMED BIKINI-CLAD TEENAGE GIRL ON THE GROUND AND DRAWS HIS GUN ON UNARMED CROWD: On the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hold up, sir.

CASEBOLT: I told you to stay. Get your [EXPLETIVE WORD] down on the ground.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED WHITE FEMALE MCKINNEY RESIDENT: Every officer that was here completely was in the right. They did their best to protect our

neighborhood.

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(CROWD SREAMING)

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CHIEF CONLEY: He came into the call out of control, and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident.

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BENET EMBRY, HOST OF THE "BENET EMBRY RADIO SHOW": What you missed before were the fights that were happening. You missed the security guard trying

to escort the people jumping over the fence into the pool, trying to escort them out.

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CASEBOLT: On your face!

(CROWD SCREAMING)

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JAHI ADISA BAKARI, FATHER OF A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL ALSO STRUCK BY OFFICER ERIC CASEBOLT: That is the only reason, because they were black.

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PINSKY: Joining us, Samantha Schacker from "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com; Spirit, psychotherapist and Mike Catherwood, my "Love Line" and KABC radio

co-host. Sam, it is disturbing to watch that video. I have had to see it a million times. I still almost cannot watch it. What do you feel about

what he did?

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU.COM: Oh my gosh. If this is -- I do not know what could be a better example of what excessive force

is. And, seven if those teenagers were mouthing off, even if they were, you know, because you should not to a police officer, but that does not

give him license to brandish his weapon, to physically assault her. Teachers, people mouth off -- teenagers mouth off to teachers all the time,

but you do not see teachers physically assault their students. It is just wrong.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: And, Mike, you and I talked to a police officer this afternoon on our KABC program, and we heard sort of the law enforcement point of view.

Everybody believes, even law enforcement believes he used -- he made some bad choices.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: But people will say that this was an unfolding situation. It was difficult to control. It was chaotic, and that people were not following

the officer`s demands.

MIKE CATHERWOOD, CO-HOST OF "LOVE LINE" RADIO PROGRAM: Right.

PINSKY: Did that contribute?

CATHERWOOD: Oh, without question. I mean --

PINSKY: Is that enough to justify that on what we are looking at?

CATHERWOOD: The problem is, is that nothing justifies that. But at the same time, it could have easily been avoided, if it was not? I mean you

cannot deny that, that is a chaotic scene. And, if I am a police officer where my life is on the line every single time I go out, leave my house to

go to work, you are a little bit jumpier than the average guy.

And you make the argument, Sam and I do not think it is a bad one, that you know, teachers do not physically assault their students. But, go ahead,

and shut up for a minute. But, you know, teachers are also not dealing exclusively with criminals.

SCHACHER: Right. This guy got out of his car and did a barrel roll. It was like an action movie.

PINSKY: A barrel roll --

SCHACHER: Are you kidding me?

PINSKY: But hold on. But, Spirit, the barrel roll is why he was all jacked up and maybe why his judgment was impaired.

SPIRIT CLANTON, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right. And, I wondered if he actually had fallen. I mean --

PINSKY: He did.

CLANTON: He does.

PINSKY: He fell. There it is.

(LAUGHING)

CLANTON: I mean, it was hilarious. But you know, the bottom line here is that he was out of control from the beginning.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes.

CLANTON: And, he was really pissed off. That was really it.

PINSKY: Yes, he was.

CLANTON: Because I have seen the entire clip. And, what he says to the kids in the beginning, and even at the end. He basically said, "Hey

,listen. I told you to get out of the way. I told you what to do. And, then, you wanted to stay here and do this."

PINSKY: But, would not you say -- But he has a point there, right?

CLANTON: Absolutely.

PINSKY: We do have to address that issue?

CLANTON: Of course.

PINSKY: Law enforcement cannot function anymore.

CLANTON: And, you already say that.

PINSKY: So, I brought in John -- I hope I pronounce your name properly. It is John Cardillo or Cadillo.

JOHN CARDILO, FORMER NYPD OFFICER: Cardillo.

PINSKY: Cardillo, I bed your pardon. John, what is your interpretation of what we were looking at here?

CARDILLO: Well, you know, look. I always love it when people who have never been on patrol, Monday morning, quarterback a police officer`s

actions. So, let us start. Was the guy a bit high strung? Yes. Well, this was a chaotic incident. Multiple 911 calls from homeowner residents

saying these kids were acting in a fashion that was threatening.

These kids were jumping over fences, trashing their vehicles, jumping into the pool, completely unhinged. The cops show up. It is clear from this

seven-minute snippet of video from a 35-minute incident, by the way, so we are getting one point of view, that these kids were not responding to

anybody`s commands or requests.

And, I will tell you, if I am kneeling down trying to subdue a suspect and two people walk up behind me with their hands at the 4:00 position, which

is the most common to draw a gun, my firearm is coming out to protect my life. I had no problem with him drawing his gun.

[21:05:05] PINSKY: Go ahead, Spirit.

CLANTON: Hey! So, John, you say you have no problem with him drawing his gun. I actually saw a lot of the video, too. I am curious, though, did

you have any problem with the fact that all of those kids, that they actually made sit down on the grass were black males in a very diverse --

CARDILLO: We do not know that.

CLANTON: No, we do know that.

CARDILLO: We do not know that. We see seven minutes --

CLANTON: We are looking at -- that was in that clip.

CARDILLO: We a selected edited video.

CLANTON: In all of the video.

CARDILLO: That clip -- That clip --

CLANTON: In all of the video.

CARDILLO: Hold on. Exactly.

PINSKY: You have seen all of it.

CLANTON: In all of the video.

PINSKY: 35 minutes?

CARDILLO: In all of the video --

CLANTON: About 25 of it.

PINSKY: OK.

CARDILLO: No, no, no. Seven minutes, and there is another video that the media is not disseminating of the girl who threw the party ripping the hair

out of the head of a white resident. That is being disregarded --

CLANTON: So, where was she? Why was she not the one being pinned down on the ground then, if that was the real issue?

SCHACHER: Exactly. Yes. Right.

C ARDILLO: Hold on. You do not know that.

PINSKY: Here it is. This the video.

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CARDILLO v(voice-over): You do not know that because you got one point of view.

PINSKY (voice-over): Well, then we have that video we are looking at right now. And, again, the police did not witness this, though. Presumably,

this is what was being reported to 911. Let me bring in Areva Martin. I have Attorney Areva Martin here.

Areva, how do we make sense of all of this? I mean there is differing points of view. There is a lot of disturbing videos. No doubt about it.

It is disturbing videos. It is almost impossible to look at them. And of all the people for him to pick at the poor -- I mean, it is kind of -- yes.

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AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: I just do not think there is any defense to this, Dr. Drew. We have been so focused in this country around these shooting

cases and individuals who have been killed by the police, but we have to roll it back and look at these encounters with police that do not end in

anyone dying.

PINSKY: But, Areva, let me -- let me play devil`s --

MARTIN: They are equally problematic as this video is.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Let me be -- Hang on. Let me be devil`s advocate for a second. If 80 percent of those kids, I mean there were couple of them were sitting

down, but if 80 or 85 percent of them just laid down or stood still or did what they were supposed to do, the whole thing would have stopped, right?

MARTIN: But that is his job, Dr. Drew. He is a trained professional. He is supposed to show up on the scene and deescalate the situation. A lot of

those kids are running because the police is cursing. Did everyone hear those profanities?

(APPLAUSE)

PINSKY: Let me go back out to law enforcement. John, what do you say to this?

CARDILLO: I think it is ridiculous. I think Monday morning quarterbacking a situation from a television studio a thousand miles and days away is

simply silly, if you have not been there. These kids were not compliant. This is not about race.

This community is almost identically mirrors the demographic makeup of the U.S., about 10 percent black, 20 percent Hispanic, 70 percent white. Black

and Hispanic residents are among those calling 911. Are they not allowed to live peacefully, simply because the offenders are black? Can we not get

pass this?

SCHACHER: Right. But, John -- but listen --

CARDILLO: It is ridiculous.

SCHACHER: But in no way, shape or form do I want you to think that we are down playing the fact that police officers put themselves in volatile

situation, the risk arise everyday that we are so grateful for.

But a number of police officers, we have one on last night has spoken out saying this is not the right protocol to handle these situations. This is

not right. This is giving police officers a bad name.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CARDILLO: Listen. Do I think a guy`s entire career should be ruined simply because of one seven-minute video where his chief --

CLANTON: Yes. Yes.

CARDILLO: No. That is ridiculous.

CLANTON: Yes.

PINSKY: John, hold on one second. I hear you, John. Audience, please.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi, at the end of the day I do not think all the facts are out. It is one vide, seven seconds. You do not have the

stories of all the people around and their testimony.

But the problem I have is, that when these cases are investigated, it is by the police department themselves and it is not by a third party. And, so

they are biased in trying to defend their own police officer, and there is no perspective from the victims.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: I got to tell you -- I must tell you as a physician, I think you probably feel this way, too, as a medical person, that we have to police

ourselves as clinicians.

CLANTON: Yes.

PINSKY: And, we do a pretty good job of it, but there is a nefarious history to get to where we are right now. And, maybe police are -- now

that we all have a phone, everything gets recorded. Everything is on the record. Maybe, they are having to go through some changes to police

themselves a little more diligently.

CLANTON: Yes.

PINSKY: We will keep this conversation going. And, next up you hear from the teen who shot that video. He is a Caucasian young man and confronts

the race debate head on. Be right back.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:09:13] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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[21:13:16] JAHDA BAKARI, WITNESS: There were these black kids, black guys. And, they were like waiting at the gate to get let in. But, none of us

knew who they were.

So, we did not like tell them to let them in or anything. They kept hopping the fences, and then the white parents, they were complaining.

They kept saying that they were with us.

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UNIDENTIFIED WHITE FEMALE RESIDENT: They started running, so the cops were trying to detain them and diffuse the situation. You had one officer at

first against 70 kids.

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CASEBOLT: That way. Get your (EXPLETIVE WORD) home!

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EMBRY: I do not think that African-Americans are being targeted. He did not say -- He say, "Go home." He did not say, "Go to the cotton field. Go

shine shoes." He said, "Go home."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: A 14-year-old African-American girl is body slammed by a white police officer and it is all on tape. Tonight, that officer has resigned.

I am back with Sam, Spirit, and Mike. Mike, one of the things that we heard again today is people were frustrated with the police. Frustrated,

frustrated, frustrated.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: And, you had a history with police that was not very good either. Yes, I mean I have definitely -- Look, I have been beaten up badly by cops.

But, every single time that happened to me, I was being an A-hole and I was committing crime, you know? And, it is true.

PINSKY: And, you said you get pulled over a lot and profiled, driving home one night from the radio show.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. Look, I am not trying to make it seem as if I am any way kind of endure the same type of profiling that other, you know, maybe

people of different races deal with.

But a lot of times when we come home from a late-night radio show, I will be driving my luxury car home with tattoos all over me and stuff, and I get

pulled over. And, it is 1:30 in the morning.

And, I can understand. Cops probably think I might have drugs or drinking or I stole the car. And, you know what happens? I go -- They go, "License

and registration, please." I give it to them.

They go, "What did you do?" I go, "I am coming home from work." And, that is the end of it. If I got out of the car and started screaming about, "I

do not have to do this. I do not have to do that." It is kind of on me after that. You know?

[21:15:04] SCHACHER: I hear you, but this is a 14-year-old girl. These are teenagers. They were celebrating their last days. --

PINSKY: Listen. I think we --

SCHACHER: So, I am not excusing the behavior, but --

INSKY: But, listen, we can all agree that 14-year-old girl did not deserve what she got. I mean there is no way.

CATHERWOOD: If you go out there as a grown ass man, you do not have to be body slamming a 14-year-old girls. And, no one is going to argue that. My

point is, is like, when you look at any situation -- If this were to happen, let us say it was 50 kids, going pretty crazy in a suburbanite

neighborhood, every single one of them was white and it just happen to go down that way, therefore, we would not be talking about this on this

television show right now.

CLANTON: Right. Nobody would have gotten body slammed on the ground.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CATHERWOOD: But, that is not necessarily true. I mean in much like more uniform -- kind of racially uniformed neighborhoods, I have been partying

when I was 16 years old. And, when the cops showed up because the residents in that neighborhood called because we were being bad kids.

We were being loud. We were in places we should not be. We did not own any property there. When the cops showed up, we all ran. We all yelled.

And, half of us got beat up.

SCHACHER: What?

CATHERWOD: And, it is like the fact that people are like, "And the cop was cursing." Oh, have we gotten so soft like a cop cannot scream "F." A cop

cannot say, "Get on you f`ing, you know what?" Like that is the least of our worries. When I was 16 years old like, if a cop --

PINSKY: It was 20 years ago, is not it?

CATHERWOOD: Yes. If a cop caught me smoking weed when I was 16 years old in a residential neighborhood, where I did not live, like I was very happy

if I got out of there with him just cursing me out --

SCHACHER: Wow!

CLANTON: I want to know where you live because this is not an experience that so many white kids in America fail.

PINSKY: He lives in --

CLANTON: Just a few months ago -- No, no, no.

PINSKY: He lived in a privileged area.

CLANTON: Just a few months ago, there was a Twitter feed or Twitter page that came out talking about "Cry Me White." You guys remember this?

SCHACHER: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: A hash tag.

CLANTON: Yes. And, all those kids talked about all of the illegal things that they had done, that cops knew that they had done. When they had

gotten escorted home --

PINSKY: Well, look. To be fair --

CLANTON: When they had gotten off for the same and similar things that he is talking about.

PINSKY: Mike is Mexican. Mike is Mexican. A totally different. Totally different.

(LAUGHING)

CLANTON: I get it. I get it.

CATHERWOOD: Listen. I am not -- I am not like identified. I understand that I am ethnically ambiguous. You know what I mean? But my point being

is that like -- growing up in Los Angeles area, like a white blond kid was the outlier for my group of friends. It was a collection of every single

race.

And, there seemed to be a trend. When the cops really gave us a hard time, we were always being A-holes. And, we would not listen to the cops. I was

like, "I do not have to show you nothing" or we would cuss at them. And, it is like after that you go home knowing that you got yourself in that

territory.

PINSKY: OK. This young lady wants to make comment about that on our audience.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Dr. Drew, how are you doing?

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am. Please, go right ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Number one, from the very first time this specific story have aired, this direction of the whole situation has -- in

my mind, there is a lot of reasons of legality, from one to the other.

But number one, in a Supreme Court issue, what would be the purpose of how they handle it moving forward? What would be the reasons of him being able

to retire? In other words, what --

PINSKY: You mean, why was not he fired?

SCHACHER: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: In other words. What would be the purpose? Of course, a lot of LAPD officers are trained by tactic, by purpose,

regardless if it is considered as a prejudice issue or color lie or nonetheless. There is a lot of levels here in this particular story for

reasons of legality. But moving forward on the end top, when he goes to Supreme Court, what would be the purpose?

PINSKY: We have an attorney sitting next to you. Maybe Areva can answer that issue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Exactly.

MARTIN: I am not sure what the question is, but I just want to say to Mike, you are driving me crazy trying to equate your experiences with those

of African-American men and Latino, who live in communities where they are followed by the police. They are unconstitutionally profiled, arrested and

face so many disparities in the criminal justice system. So, we cannot ignore that.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CATEHRWOOD: No one is ignoring that. No one. Nobody is ignoring that.

MARTIN: Yes, you stood there and talked about why are we worried about cursing? We are worried about cursing because cursing lead to excessive

physical force, which lead to shooting, which lead to dead black kids.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

CATHERWOOD: I think to equate what happened in this situation to dead black kid is equally is nonsensical and we are getting to -- First off, it

is unfair to say that I am equating anything that I was doing when I was a kid.

SCHACHER: He had his gun out. It could have been a nano second of --

CATHERWOOD: You know what? He has a gun out because two kids are running up behind him while he is trying to deal with another kid.

MARTIN: Well, why he had a kid on the ground in the first place? That is what you have to deal with? He had no right to have her on the ground

detaining her or arresting her. She had not committed a crime.

CATHERWOOD: I cannot argue with you.

MARTIN: That is something we call constitution.

CATHERWOOD: I cannot argue with you what he has the right to do. I am not skilled in the law at all.

MARTIN: But, I can tell you as a lawyer, there was no constitutional basis where he had to have her on the ground arresting her.

CATHERWOOD: Well, I do not think that we know that considering that maybe she did break the law. Do we know that? Do we really know that? I mean

listen. Here is the thing.

MARTIN: What law was she breaking wearing a bikini?

CATHERWOOD: What? What?

MARTIN: What law was she breaking, Mike? We saw the video.

[21:20:00] CATHERWOOD: But, we saw the video -- all we saw was once the cops got there. We have no idea.

MARTIN: The police department -- chief of police came forward and said, "The actions were inappropriate." If she was breaking the law, he would

have stood up for her.

CATHERWOOD: I am not sitting here trying to defend this particular cop`s actions, nor am I trying to make excuses for racial profiling, which I am

sure exists at a massive level. What I am trying to say is that we cannot get to the point where we are throwing out the baby with the bath water

every single time a cop is on camera doing anything wrong and we cannot get to the point for law enforcement --

SCHACHER: Mike --

MARTIN: Every time they break the law, Mike -- Every time they break the law, they should face consequences. That is what we want is

accountability, Mike.

CATHERWOOD: That is fine.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Listen --

MARTIN: Accountability, Mike.

CATHERWOOD: How can there not be any accountability for these kids? And, you guys are making it seem like every one of them was sitting there well

behaved, like "Oh, hello, Mr. officer. Nice to see you. These are kids running and mocking in a nice neighborhood."

PINSKY: Mike.

CATHERWOOD: Black, white or not, they are acting out, acting a fool. We already know, we have established, that yes, maybe the cop acted

inappropriately according to his own team. But, we have also established that from the homeowners in that neighborhood, black, white, it does not

matter, that those kids were acting completely inappropriately and well outside the law.

And, I think if I am a homeowner on that street, they would not have had to wait until the cops got there. I would have started beating the crap out

of all those kids.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Audience, please. Go. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Hello. Real quick. So, I watched the video before coming to your program, to the show, and I have two points.

PINSKY: Please, go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: OK. So, first of all --

PINSKY: Quickly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes, it seems like excessive force, what he did to, you know, the teenager, right? But, second of all, you see a guy

coming from behind a cop like this --

PINSKY: Well, that is Mike`s point. That was Mike`s point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Right?

PINSKY: We got that. OK. So, your second point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: So, my second point is when you do not cooperate to the cops --

PINSKY: This is the conversation.

SCHACHER: But why cannot -- why do we have to be so divisive --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: And this lack of cooperation --

SCHACHER: -- why cannot we just be better? Why does it have to be police officers versus citizens? Why cannot we look at this example and say we

need to be better? Why do we have to fight this?

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: I am going to give the police officer last word. John, are you still there with me on Skype.

CARDILLO: I am still here, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: You sat through patiently. Give us a last word and then we are going to have to end this topic. Go ahead.

CARDILLO: Thank you, Mike. First of all, Ludicrous assertion that white kids are not body slammed by cops. Watch the occupied protests. When the

crowd is acting unruly, the police act in kind.

Second, the counselor is being very disingenuous. The girl is not arrested and there was a constitutional basis and reasonable suspicion to detain her

conducting a summery investigation.

So, if we are going to talk to the audience about this, let us at least be honest in the way we are describing the incident. Only, one arrest, nobody

injured. The arrest was of an adult.

The police had the constitutional right and the constitutional basis to detain the crowd pursuant to 911 calls with detailed descriptions --

PINSKY: All right.

CARDILLO: To conduct summary investigation.

PINSKY: John, thank you so much. Areva, thank you. There is a lot of interesting qualities. We are all evaluating because we are looking at

everything in real time via video.

And, we do not like what we see. We do not like what we see from the kids, right? I do not like that. I do not like what I see from the police

officers. We need to do better. I agree with you, Sam.

We are going to next go to Caitlyn Jenner, who was slapped with a new lawsuit. We will be right back.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:23:25] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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[21:27:19] PINSKY: When it was Bruce, Bruce had suicidal thoughts. Thinking about getting a gun when this story broke. That is a sign.

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JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I am worried, because now there is so much scrutiny. There is people picking sides. And, I do not think

that, that is the most supportive thing, because we know people with gender dysphoria tend to have correlates with other types of things like anxiety

and depression.

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PINSKY: When I think about Caitlyn Jenner, the problem is she had previously been suicidal. She has tremendous stress. She has this being

done very publicly. I mean there is so -- When you add up the score, the estrogen really can have -- add to a potential really serious mood problem.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: And, we are talking about "Celebrity Behavior" in the midst of Caitlyn Jenner`s transition. She was involved in a fatal car accident.

And, again, that adds to the stress and the mood issues. I am worried about her. Back with Sam, Spirit, Mike. Sam, you got some information.

What are these?

SCHACHER: Yes. So, there were two lawsuits filed against Caitlyn Jenner, also referred to as Bruce Jenner.

PINSKY: Two different people?

SCHACHER: Two different people -- Two different time frames when they are filed. So, the first filed by the children of the woman who died in the

accident. OK? Now, the second lawsuit filed this week is from the woman whose driving the black Prius.

She was involved in that chain reaction crash. She is looking for Caitlyn Jenner to pay for the damage to her vehicle as well as personal injuries.

We still have yet to hear from Caitlyn Jenner in regard to this second lawsuit.

PINSKY: Spirit, you get what I am talking about?

CLANTON: Oh, yes.

PINSKY: We have a fatal car accident. Now lawsuit. The effects of hormone on mood. The stress of transition. This is happening very

publicly. Disconnect and -- There is so many stresses --

CLANTON: There are so many.

PINSKY: I cannot even keep track of them all.

CLANTON: You know, I look at it and I just go, "God bless her." Because she is never going to have the life that she was looking to have even after

all of these change. There is always going to be something that makes her life totally different than anybody else that is having this experience.

This is too much.

PINSKY: We actually have a Twitter question from John. "Could the hormones or medications Caitlyn is taking during her transition have

impaired her driving and contributed to the car crash."

And there is absolutely no doubt that it could create more distractibility, particularly if there is a mood disturbance being precipitated. Areva, my

question is, could this be a defense against these suits? No?

MARTIN: No, Dr. Drew. This is a run of the mill personal injury lawsuit that has been filed by the second driver. And, what we know is that

Caitlyn`s car actually hit the back of this driver`s car.

So, negligence is going to be pretty easy to prove. And, now, it becomes a question of what are the physical injuries and the emotional injuries and

the property damage?

PINSKY: Wait a minute. I am confused. There is no defense. It is just - - it gets turned over to the insurance company? You cannot say, "Hey, I was on the meds" --

MARTIN: It is not a defense that I was changing my gender and I was on --

PINSKY: No. "I was on medication -- I was on medication that made me a little distracted. I did not see distances normally."

[21:30:00] MARTIN: You voluntarily took the medication that altered your ability to drive. If the medication did that, you should not have been on

the road --

PINSKY: Doctor did not tell me --

MARTIN: Then file a separate lawsuit against your doctor for malpractice. . But once you take the wheel and start driving, everyone around you

assumes that you were capable and that you are conscious enough to be driving a vehicle.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

SCHACHER: I have a question for Areva. The woman driving the black Prius, the second lawsuit, she was driving on a suspended license. Does that --

Will that take away from her lawsuit?

MARTIN: Not as it relates to her ability to recover damages from Caitlyn. Now, the DMV may have something to say about her driving on a suspended

license, but your ability to recover for personal injuries, property damages, pretty clear. In the case like this, think about your run of the

mill rear-end accident.

SCHACHER: Right.

MARTIN: And, in California, you can bet if you rear-end someone, you are going to be sued.

PINSKY: Wow.

MARTIN: It happens every day.

PINSKY: I did not know that.

CATHERWOOD: These two suits we are talking about, these are civil, right?

MARTIN: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: So, is there going to be something in the future that would, you know, maybe -- would this be a legal defense with what doctor is

talking with the medication and the transition? Would that be a legal defense in the non-civil case, in the criminal cases?

MARTIN: Well, you know, if she is going to go further and talk about some kind of, you know, insanity or some kind of impaired ability, possibly.

But, it is a stretch. I mean the reality is you get in a car and again, you should be, you know, capable of driving that vehicle in a safe way, and

when you do not do that, you can expect to be sued.

PINSKY: All right. Joining us also is Zoey Tur. She is a transgender television reporter. And, Zoey, you actually had a deterioration in your

driving ability, I believe?

ZOEY TUR, TRANSGENDER REPORTER: I did. Yes.

PINSKY: Tell me about that.

TUR: In hormone replacement therapy, the estrogen bumps up, it could be as high as 1200 with your estrogen. And, it can make you somewhat euphoric.

And, as your mind kind of adjusts to the estrogen, you could easily get distracted. Now, I am also a helicopter pilot.

PINSKY: So you take -- I mean, if she gets in a helicopter, what?

MARTIN: Scary.

(LAUGHING)

SCHACHER: You do not recover from that?

PINSKY: But I mean, should you not be flying -- doing your job, flying helicopter?

TUR: I do not parallel park the helicopter.

PINSKY: OK. All right.

CLANTON: When you are impaired on medication. You do not drive the helicopter when you are impaired on medication.

PINSKIY: You missed where she was going with that. There was a sexist undertone there.

TUR: All four rims on my car are completely ripped apart. It changes. But it takes a while to adjust, so it can be a defense.

PINSKY: And, Zoey, let me switch gears a little bit.

TUR: Sure.

PINSKY: You have had some sort of critical -- you have taken aim at Caitlyn.

TUR: Sure.

PINSKY: And, you are hearing from other people that are contemplating making a transition who are not willing to do so now because of Caitlyn,

you are saying.

TUR: It has a rebound effect. Caitlyn Jenner has set a standard that people just cannot attain. They cannot attain that standard.

PINSKY: Ain`t he pretty? What is the standard? It is too glamorous? What are we talking about?

TUR: You are talking about somebody who had the best plastic surgery, the best makeup, the best photographer, the best clothes and the best Photoshop

artist. So, now it is --

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: But, Zoey, you are suggesting --

T UR: This is what transgender looks like.

PINSKY: But you are suggesting that we should criticize her for being too pretty, which is another sort of --

TUR: No. I am not saying that. But, I am saying that even in the genetic female community, this is gender community, women are finding this

offensive because this is right. Once again, a standard that you just cannot live up to. Is this what a -- I mean, imagine a guy sitting at home

with his remote control, looking at 65-year-old woman that is that attractive and looking over at the wife going, hmm.

SCHACHER: But Zoey, is not she also creating this conversation, though, to make it more comfortable for people to actually complete the transition or

even to come out? Period?

PINSKY: Right, talk about it more.

TUR: I think initially. But we are talking about a rebound affect that will occur because once again, I have had people say, "I just do not want

to do this because I am never going to be accepted because that is the standard."

PINSKY: All right, listen --

TUR: And, that is what unlimited money buys you.

PINSKY: I got to go to a break, then we are going to have more on this. And, later, you got to see this fight. It was a fight at a Walmart caught

on tape. We have this unbelievable -- It is unbelievable video. Look at this. Yeah, it is really something else. Welcome to America, everybody.

Back after this.

[21:34:24] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[21:38:27] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: How I feel about Bruce Jenner because I will not call him Caitlyn, because he is not a woman. He cannot

bear a child. He does not have a menstrual at the end of the month. He is not a woman. God made man and woman. He made man and woman for a reason.

Bruce Jenner is destroying what God created.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: This is the thing that frustrates me. We are not here to judge. We are here to let people live their lives.

HO: That is right.

PINSKY: Would you agree that if you are using the bible to hurt somebody else, you are using the bible incorrectly.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: That is wrong. And people that are doing that are absolutely wrong.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Spirit, Mike. Caitlyn Jenner`s story has divided the audience from the beginning. And, tonight, we want to hear more from

you all. Let us start with Terri on Facebook.

Interesting question. "If hormones helped change Bruce into Caitlyn, could a man who feels more like woman increase his male hormones rather than make

that transition to a female?" In other words, if you are having -- Could that be a treatment for transgender feelings? It is just a weird,

interesting questions. No one has ever tried that.

CATHERWOOD: I do not know. I will try it out. Go ahead and just have a doctor give me all the testosterone I want. Let us see what happens.

SCHACHER: Uh-oh.

PINSKY: Yes, let us go to the audience. Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Dr. Drew, I am confused. As far as Caitlyn Jenner be a transgender, she no longer being held responsible for her

actions and her responsibilities? Why would it be a question why she should be sued? If you hit someone in behind --

PINSKY: Well, Areva has no question why. But, Zoey does because she had been through that experience of feeling sort of it while you are driving

and Areva would say, "You should not have driven."

TUR: She is right.

PINSKY: What: You flew a helicopter. You flew a helicopter, right?

[21:40:00] TUR: It is easier. You multitask better in a can helicopter.

SCHACHER: But, Caitlyn Jenner is fully participating. She is participating in this investigation. She has done everything right. She

is --

PINSKY: She is not making any excuses.

SCHACHER: No.

PINSKY: We are making excuses for her.

SCHACHER: yes.

PINSKY: And, you are right, we should not.

SCHACHER: Yes. Right.

PINSKY: All right. Fair enough.

CATHERWOOD: Is there any chance you can say like -- Can you just be like, "I am Caitlyn Jenner. I do not know who is Bruce Jenner fellow is."

PINSKY: Listen, I am going to say something.

CATHERWOOD: I never met that guy.

PINSKY: Glad is on the record saying you are supposed to call somebody -- Zoey, maybe you will help me with this. You are supposed to call somebody

transgender her from forever after once they make the transition.

TUR: Once they come out as female or male --

PINSKY: So, we cannot call the person in the car accident Bruce?

TUR: Sure you can.

PINSKY: Well -- All right.

TUR: You are on T.V.

PINSKY: No. No. I am going to get it right. Come on now. Jim on Facebook says, "Do you think Caitlyn would be as content with her change if

it was not happening in the limelight, or is the fame and attention part of the appeal? Spirit, what do you say to that?

CLANTON: Well, you know, I think that there is no way to separate the two. This is just always who she has been.

PINSKY: Yes.

CLANTON: I mean before she was doing this, she was in the decathlon and everything else.

PINSKY: And the reality show.

CLANTON: Right. So, it is always been a life of fame. But, as to the point that your guest made about the idea of people not being able to live

up to the standard, I think it is the other part of that, too.

When individual who is now want to come forward and having to have the dose of reality to say, "Listen, you realize your experience is not going to be

this, right? You do not have access."

PINSKY: You do not have to talk about.

CLANTON: Yes. You do not have access to the facial shading and the lessening of the brow. You grow hair and you get breasts, you are not

going to look like Caitlyn Jenner.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. I am confused myself. You have a straight male and, you know, no disrespect to anybody, but what is behind a

person being born a male but feel like a female on the inside?

PINSKY: It is --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I just never really understood that.

PINSKY: It is hard to understand it if you never experienced it and Zoey - - well, no. And, what is more confusing it is so distinct from sexual orientation, that it gets more confusing. Because how could you want to

become a woman and yet still want to have sex with a heterosexual female?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Exactly. That is my point.

PINSKY: So, Zoey help us with this.

TUR: Gender identity is completely separate from sexual attraction, one.

PINSKY: But even so, what is going on? You reference the brain disorder.

TUR: Gender Dysphoria -- there is something called gender dysphoria. And, it is a brain anomaly. And, you identify as female even though you are

male and it creates severe depression throughout your entire life. You do not even recognize yourself many times in a mirror. So, it is very

disturbing. And, the only way you can fix it or cure it is with hormone replacement therapy.

PINSKY: Now Zoey -- Zoey, let me interrupt you.

TUR: Yes.

PINSKY: At John Hopkins, they have recently stopped treating this surgically.

TUR: That was years ago and the physician that stopped it, as a member of the catholic church and did it only religious grounds, claiming the men

that transition to female were not better off.

So this was a very biased issue. But with respect to people that go through the hormone replacement therapy, most are satisfied. The problem

is getting jobs, being accepted by friends and family, that is where the depression plays in, and that is where we have seen suicides.

PINSKY: Yes, that and -- listen, this is a high stakes condition. And, especially so for Caitlyn Jenner. It sounds like things are going well. I

hear from Jillian Barberie, our friend at KABC radio, who has been having a fight with Zoey who now made up with you. Yes?

TUR: Yes and no.

PINSKY: You are doing good. So, I wonder -- I hear that things are going well, but when you add up, as you say, the stress of a transition, the --

pretty often the high instances of concurrent disorders, the hormones, the public nature of this, the recent fatal accident, the lawsuits, the

divorce. How the stresses of being a parent, mother, now father.

How do you reconcile the relationship with teen daughters? -- I mean and son. It is really a challenging issue. And as such high incidents of

depression. Hope she does not have to suffer through any of that. It seems like this is going well.

Now, we are going to talk next about a parent for whom it is not going well. This is a mom and her little boy who battle a fellow shopper at a

Walmart. Yes, it is now -- we are renaming this particular story brawl- mart. -- Yes. We are back after this.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:44:29] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[21:48:37] (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Time for "Click Fix," where my guests tell me what is trending on their Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter feeds. Sam, Spirit, Mike back.

Spirit, you are up.

CLANTON: OK. So, you have seen this. This is what they are calling the brawl-mart.

PINSKY: Brawl-mart. Yes, no kidding.

CLANTON: It is not Walmart anymore. OK? So, you, guys, have to take a look at this because it is so disturbing. Basically, what happens is,

there is two versions of this story, OK? It all starts when somebody reports that a woman in a motorized scooter is supposedly complaining to an

employee that there are too many carts in the aisle.

SCHACHER: What?

CLANTON: And, so, the other woman, supposedly the shopper, comes up and she is trying to defend the employee, supposedly. And, this is how the

brawl starts, right?

PINSKY: I heard like the "N" word was being thrown around.

CLANTON: Right. That is the second version. So, the woman, who not in the scooter, the other lady --

PINSKY: Yes.

CLANTON: Her name is Amber. She says, no. The real story is, the woman comes over to the employee, she calls him the "N" word. And, so then amber

fights her in a way to be able to defend the employee.

SCHACHER: So, she was defending the employee.

CLANTON: Supposedly. This is what Amber says.

PINSKY: And, to be fair on what I saw -- When the woman gets out of the scooter, and the woman was supposedly unable to walk.

CLANTON: Yes. Do you see though, she is just fine.

SCHACHER: What is the little boy doing?

CLANTON: Now, let me tell you. This is the worst part about this, though. Not, only that. Now, her son, the little boy is only 6 years old. And,

you can hear her in the video telling her son, "Punch her in the face. Punch her in the bleeping face." The mother is encouraging him.

PINSKY: By the way, the son -- some people tried to, you know, yell to get the kid out of there.

CLANTON: Right.

[21:50:00] PINSKY: And, the kid runs up.

CLANTON: And, the kid, he says, "I am not playing with you. I am not playing with you. You cannot tell me what to do. Do not touch me. You do

not even tell me what to do." So, he is all about the fight as well.

SCHACHER: Whoa.

PINSKY: Areva, there is so many legal issues in this thing. But, aside from the assaulting and whatever. The thing I find the most disturbing is

the woman who is supposedly disabled is able to jump up and karate kick. I mean what -- I mean tomorrow we maybe do a whole segment on pain and

workers comp and the mess.

MARTIN: Disability and probably has a placard in her vehicle that allows her to park close to the door and all kinds of other fraudulent issue.

But, for me, Dr. Drew, the first thing I thought when I saw this video was Child Protective Services.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Yes. Right. Spirit, I am sure you would agree.

CLANTON: Yes. This is the interesting thing about that. I am so glad you raise the point. Because when the mom comes back and offers my son is an

honor roll kid. He is the teacher`s pet. He is being raised perfectly well at home.

SCHACHER: Yeah!

PINSKY: No doubt about that.

CLANTON: You see it play out on that video. That is her perfect parenting with the little kid throwing a bottle at the head of a woman. And, she is

encouraging him to hit the woman.

MARTIN: Yes. In the bleeping face.

CLANTON: So, I am so concerned about that child and how he is being raised by his mother.

CATHERWOOD: I cannot believe -- I cannot believe the cardio these two fat bitches had. I mean that probably lasted like ten minutes. Great

endurance. I was really shocked

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: What else you got, Mike? I am running out of time. Really running of time.

CATHERWOOD: Yeah, there is a strip club in Vegas called the "Little Darlings" club. And, they are saying they are now auditioning the class of

2015.

SCHACHER: Wow.

CATHERWOOD: That is right. Recruiting strippers right out of high school.

PINSKY: All right. Sam, 30 seconds.

SCHACHER: OK, 30 seconds. I found mine on Instagram. It is about how hazardous our high heels are.

PINSKY: Is that why you wore this elevator shoes?

SCHACHER: And I always fall off too. I always fall off. They always make me fall. But, from 2002 --

PINSKY: Wait. Hold them up again.

SCHACHER: From 2002 -- oh yes, what, what. 2002 to 2012, emergency rooms treated almost 125,000 high heel-related injuries.

PINSKY: I am not surprised.

SCHACHER: That is a lot.

CATHERWOOD: It is so many.

PINSKY: They are shooting your shoes there, Sam.

SCHACHER: OK, good. Cute.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: All right. Follow us on Instagram. Our staff will be follow and watch you guys. Also check us out on Facebook. And, we will be right

back.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[21:56:31] PINSKY: It is time for "Dr. Drew`s Qs." It is your chance to ask me a question on any topic. And, you can tweet the questions

@drdrewHLN using the #Dr.DrewsQs. Twitter, Elva asks, "If severe sleep apnea causes congestive heart failure."

And, let us just talk about congestive heart failure, as people hear heart failure and they confuse that with sudden cardiac arrest, like your heart

stopping. Heart failure is the muscle failing. It does not work well as a pump and so fluid builds up behind.

And, yes, it turns out through various mechanisms the stress of the apnea during the night, the heart having to pumping against that apnea can damage

the muscle and be associated with congestive heart failure.

So, there you go. Get sleep apnea treated if you have that. And, do not forget to lose weight if you have sleep apnea because that is often part of

it. Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi, Dr. Drew. I have a question because my boyfriend and I are on our computers a lot for work and entertainment. We

are always typing and looking at the screens. Do you have tips for avoiding carpal tunnel or any eye damage?

PINSKY: Well, eye damage, I think that is kind of overstated a little bit. But, I got to tell you. You know, getting outside, moving around, getting

up regularly. Getting sunlight and regular sort of breaks, but also getting the ergonomics.

There are so many ergonomic things you can use in terms of positioning your hands that will work for you. I do not have any expertise in that, but I

know you can go to places where they will advise you, and there are tons of occupational therapy sites that have lots of good advices as well. Thank

you for that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Thank you.

PINSKY: Martina asks on Twitter. She asked me, "What books are on my summer reading list?" This is kind of embarrassing because I am such a

nerd. I cannot believe I am going to give you these. But, let me just say what is sitting -- I have a stack in my bathroom of books I want to get to.

And here is -- I know. I --

Part of the reason they are in the bathroom. The other part is to remind me to get to them. So, one of them is, "The Professor and the Cage." "Why

men fight and why we like to watch." "How Donte can save your life." Yes. "The broken mirror." This is understanding and treating body dysmorphic

disorder.

I have actually read most of that one. And the author of that has been kindly helping me with some presentations I have done. And, here is my

ultimate nerd book for the summer, which is the well tuned brain. "Neuro science of a life well lived." You guys asked me, there you go. Yes,

ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi, Dr. Drew. Actually my boyfriend and I are thinking of kind of experimenting with polyamory.

PINSKY: How long have you been together? How much time do I have? This is going to take a while.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: We have been together about seven years.

PINSKY: Seven years. And, how is the relationship going?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Actually, we have a great relationship. We are very close.

PINSKY: And sexually, everything is good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Sexually, everything is good.

PINSKY: And, by polyamory, do you mean people really, really having a third person or more?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Really, really, having a third person to become part of the household and become part of our --

PINSKY: May I ask why? What is motivating that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I just -- I am personally bisexual --

PINSKY: And you miss that piece.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I kind of miss that piece. Exactly.

PINSKY: OK. All right. So, it is a woman we want to bring in. Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: And, of course, he is cool with that.

(LAUGHING)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: He has no issues with that.

PINSKY: So, are you worried it could destabilize your relationship?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I was worried about that. I have been worried about that, but --

PINSKY: Let me just -- I am running out of time. You have very complicated question, very touchy, difficult tender question you are

asking.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: But let me just say, when people having issues in the relationship, the last thing we do is say, "Bring in a third." Because, it

is already hard enough to conduct a relationship between two people.

And, third just -- it does not just add arithmetic issue, it adds exponential problem in the issues -- Oh my God. I am out of time. But, I

will talk to you after the show in a couple of seconds.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Thank you.

PINSKY: Thank you, guys. Thank you, audience. You were great. Also, thank all of you out there. And, please DVR us. Then you can watch this

program any time. Thank you all for watching. I will see you next time.

[22:00:00] (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

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