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Inside Politics; GOP Presidential Hopefuls On The Trail; Two Of Josh Duggar's Sisters Break Their Silence; Today Is Apple's Annual Worldwide Developer Conference; New York State Offering $100,000 Reward For Richard Matt and David Sweat. Aired 7:30-8a ET

Aired June 8, 2015 - 07:30   ET

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: There's a lot to talk about today on Inside Politics so, let's get right to it with John King. Hi, John.

JOHN KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Happy Monday, Alisyn. Someday there'll be a slow but not today. So, let's get right to it. Let's go Inside Politics. And with me to show the reporting and their insight Lisa Lerer of the Associated Press and Ed O'Keefe of the Washington Post.

First, let's do the show. There was a lot of caller out in Boone, Iowa, this weekend. Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa had her roast and ride. Let's show some of the pictures here, let's put it up people on motorcycles, here you go Senator Ernst there, there's Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin. A lot of color, a lot of picture taking.

Lindsey graham, the candidates there, Mike Huckabee, I think we got some Rick Perry coming in as well. A lot to show, a very important event in the lead of Caucus state but also a little bit of tell. There's been Dr. Carson there. Scott Walker also did an interview with ABC. He talked about his opposition to same-sex marriage. He also has been pressed about you know, foreign policy. Set a few early campaign stumble. He was asked about a question maybe boots on the ground in Syria or Iraq. Let's listen.

SCOTT WALKER, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't think we should ever send a message to our foes as to how far we are willing to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you would not rule out a full blown --

WALKER: I would not rule out boots on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think - I'm asking, would you rule out a full invasion of Iraq?

WALKER: If the national interests of this country are at stake, here at risk in this country abroad, that's to me the standard of what we do for military engagement.

KING: This is going to be, without a doubt, a question as we watch the Republicans get closer to the debates. LISA LERER, ASSOCIATED PRESS: For sure that where it seems like we

are heading towards a foreign policy election. Things are unstable in the Middle East. And they are going to have to answer these questions. Scott Walker is inexperienced in this area. As Governor of Wisconsin you are not really dealing a lot with foreign policy issues. I'm sure you're dealing some, but not as much as say a former secretary of state. So these are definitely questions he's going to have to answer.

But they really not what he wants his campaign to focus on now. I mean, we saw him in the interview seeing him with his leather jacket and his jeans. He's really trying to cultivate this kind of every man and that he knows just a regular guy talking about international terrorism.

KING: At the moment, we don't have a front-runner. At the moment, you have to characterize him as the leader in Iowa. If you look at the poll, he's ahead by a few points from neighboring Wisconsin. And a lot of people think, if he can come out of Iowa with a win, in a crowded field of New Hampshire, Walker's got a slight early favoritism here.

ED O'KEEFE, THE WASHINGTON POST: He does. There's a lot of interest in him up there for sure. Saying things like this that he doesn't rule out ground forces obviously endures him to conservative voters in both states, Republicans nationwide who are increasingly concerned about this. Also puts him in a separate camp from some of the others. Lindsey Graham is probably with him in that I would send troops camp. Others though like, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio have not send that, there's just sort of on the fence either way.

LERER: And then there's Rand Paul, of course.

O'KEEFE: Who wouldn't do it at all. So that's sort of three distinct camps emerging. You got 20 different flavors. It helps to see them now sort of splitting up along different lines.

KING: And important to listen to the policy differences. Some of them are big, some them are not so big that's a new ounces on this one. Another issue you don't hear Republicans talking all that much about is climate change. Listen to Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. He's another of the 15. We have 10 official Republican candidates. I think we're going to have I think 15 or 16 at the end Lindsey Graham says, "Yes, there is climate change." Listen to him on "State of the Union."

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, I do, absolutely. When 90 percent of the doctors tell you got a problem, do you listen to the one? At the end of the day, I do believe that the CO2 emission problem all over the world is hurting our environment.

KING: I don't suspect the other 15 candidates or 14 candidates are going to run up to Lindsey Graham and pat him on the back there.

LERER: No, I don't think so. But you know, he is taking a position that wasn't all that uncommon for Republicans. There were a number of Republicans 10 years ago or even less.

KING: John McCain constrained in 2008 on this.

LERER: Right.

KING: With Lindsey Graham on the side.

LERER: Right, they are very close. And Lindsey Graham has backed efforts to regulate greenhouse gas and carbon emissions. So you know, this is an issue that he has a long record on. So I think it would be really difficult for him to pivot too hard away from that. But I don't think we'll see much of a debate in the Republican field. You know, this race is not going to be focused on Climate Change. Certainly not on the Republican side.

KING: Maybe the general election.

O'KEEFE: Maybe. That is a real challenge for them. You know, interesting to see that he's willing to say this. Guys from Florida, again, back to Bush and Rubio, both of them in a state that is affected by this. They won't go that far. Bush has even raised concerns about the possibility that scientists are fibbing this to some extent which was a popular Republican line. So very interesting to see Graham stick his neck out on this one.

KING: You try to be different in a crowded field, you try to carve out your little niche. Sometimes, you want to be different. We'll see if that will play out. Let's look at some polling. We are sitting around in June waiting for some big Supreme Court decisions.

[00:07:35] One is on whether a piece of Obama Care, the subsidies were constitutional, we're waiting for that decision that would be a big deal. And also, we're waiting to see if the Supreme Court will say that same-sex marriage is a national right. Let's look at our new poll on this Issue. 49 percent of Americans trust the Supreme Court on this issue. So it's divided in the country about whether they think the justices are the ones who should make the decision. But look at this, this is so fascinating.

This issue is moving faster than anything I have seen in my life time in terms of a big controversial on social issue. Should same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry? 63 percent of Americans say, "Yes." In August of 2010, it was 49 percent. And if you go back, of course, it's lower. This issue is like a snowball coming down a hill.

LERER: Oh, it's unbelievable how quick opinion is changing on this issue. And it's difficult for the Republicans because the slice of their party that they need to win to come out is the party nominee has a very different view than the general population. So you know, I think Scott Walker has sort of moderated this position before. He's been able to kind of play both sides we'll see whether if he can successfully do that in a primary and then in a general. But it's a tough one for Republicans. KING: In an odd way as the court says yes, this is a national right,

does that quote, unquote, help the Republicans whose personal opinion is no, there should not be same-sex marriage. Say, well, it is now the law of the land that justices have ruled my personal opinion is this. But as president, I have to listen to the court.

O'KEEFE: You'll see some of them do that. But you'll see Scott Walker and Ted Cruz and a few other say no. Let's now propose a constitutional amendment that would open it up to the states and allow them once again to decide for themselves. He sort of restarting the clock. He said that on Sunday to ABC, Ted Cruz put forth legislation already. So you will some of them will say well, it's been decided. Let's move on. But others are certainly going to push for this. Because they understand the most active primary base of the Republican support still opposed same-sex marriage.

KING: George W. Bush closed his campaign in 2004, he want to close the election using this issue. But he thinks the times have changed. It would be interesting to see if Republicans want to try that issue in a general election in 2016. You have been spending a lot of time with Jeb Bush. He was up in Maine this weekend for mom's birthday. Happy birthday to Barbara Bush.

And sometimes he tries to say, "Yes, I'm a Bush. My dad was president and my brother was president." Sometimes he tries to escape that a little bit and say, "I'm my own guy." He escaped the family compound, went across the border to Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Listen to Jeb Bush, say, "Hey, New Hampshire, I love you."

JEB BUSH, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have a passion for service. I get to tell my story. People can challenge it. This is the way to campaign. Get outside your comfort zone. I don't think we should be campaigning in little protective bubbles. In New Hampshire, you can't do that.

KING: Breaking new grounds in Portsmouth. They are one of my favorite coffee shops in New Hampshire, so good choice. That's also the very first place Senator Barack Obama went for a cup of coffee in New Hampshire way back in the day, 2006.

O'KEEFE: Two things about that, A, it's 45 minutes south to Kenny Bank Fort to Portsmouth. This is a guy who really likes going to church and really wants to be president. If you are willing to leave the family vacation and go to this. I mean, with Kennebunkport in Portsmouth, it's an area of the state that they think they can do well in. So going on a Sunday with Mrs. Bush in tow, a nice, subtle gesture to the state saying, "I'm here, I'm not too far away. Don't forget, I have local roots in this."

KING: And he needs to win somewhere.

LERER: Right. And given where how he's been playing in Iowa, they are really taking a wait and see approach as to the Romney approach we'll go in, if we think there's room. And there hasn't been so far. He really needs to make a strong showing in New Hampshire.

O'KEEFE: And reminds us that this 20 plus candidates Rand Paul had been in that neighborhood just minutes before he showed up. It's crowded there. KING: If you want to meet the presidential candidate, just sit in

that coffee shop, trust me, you'll meet five or 10 or even 12. Michaela, as we get back to you, it was a happy weekend in the Inside Politics family. I'm going to get in trouble with this but we are going to put up this camera shy, Tasha Diaketos got married on Saturday, that's her lucky husband, Steven Teiner right there. Tasha has been on my side for most of the last decade.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: My goodness.

KING: Yes. Stuck her hand in a lot of blenders for me over the years. And so I am great for her support. She looks beautiful.

PEREIRA: What a beautiful bride.

KING: She was gorgeous and she's a great one.

PEREIRA: Oh, and of course, you sent her a wonderful gift.

KING: Yes, I did. Actually, they are going on a great trip, and I'm helping out a bit.

PEREIRA: I love that.

KING: They are going around the world. We may never see her again. She may not come back from this show.

PEREIRA: Oh, she'll come back. She'll come back. Congratulations, that's a wonderful way to end "Inside Politics." John, thanks so much.

All right. I had hear two of Josh Duggar's sisters are breaking their silence. They are speaking out in defense of their brother. The brother who molested them when they are younger. You are going to hear what they are saying now. Next.

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JESSA SEEWALD: The real issue is people are making it sound like it happened yesterday.

JILL DILLARD: The victims are the only ones who can speak for themselves.

PEREIRA: That was Jill Dillard and Jessa Seewald, the victims and sisters of Josh Duggar speaking out in his defense for the first time since her family's molestation scandal broke. Here with us to discuss it all, and there is a lot to discuss Dr. Glenn Saxe, he is the director of NYU Langone and Child Study Center and chair for the Department of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Medical Center, and CNN commentator and Legal Analyst Mel Robbins is also with us. Good morning to the two of you.

DR. GLENN SAXE, DIRECTOR, NYU LANGONE CHILD STUDY CENTER: Good Morning.

MEL ROBBINS, CNN COMMENTATOR: Good morning.

PEREIRA: Mel, I know you have seen the interview with Jessa and Jill. I'm curious what your reaction is. And then I'll ask Dr. Saxe, the same question.

ROBBINS: Oh, Michaela, I've got reactions that are all over the map, probably like most people in America from feeling horrible for the victims and the fact that they are having to relive the nightmare of what happened to them, even though they seem to be down playing it, and also feeling this sense of, I guess, I just feel an overwhelmed sense of dread for the young women.

And it's because, I think on some level because this did happen a long time ago and because of the circumstances with how the family dealt with it, the way that they processed it, they really did down play it in their mind. And so, this must be an extraordinarily confronting and confusing and upsetting process to go through to talk about it again, Michaela.

[00:07:45] PEREIRA: Dr. Saxe, hi. I think a lot of people are wondering when they hear how the girls are handling it at least publicly from that interview, they are down playing it. Is that common to see victims sort to down play when they are abused at the hand of a family member?

SAXE: Well, it's hard to comment exactly what happened with this family and these daughters right now. You can't help but feel bad that some way, this is all in the public eye, a big, very personal experience. There's a lot of unusual things about this case. The publicity, the fame of the family, the reality show. But there's also some common things that happened with family sexual abuse. And part of it, sometimes, is loyalty with the family, trying to down play it, wanting to move on, wishing this didn't happen. And those were all pretty typical things.

PEREIRA: And Mel, I think one of the things we heard the girls say is they feel that they have been revictimized all over again. The fact is, our system, generally, does protect the victims in a situation. But clearly, the system failed here. They weren't protected. Do you think heads need to roll?

ROBBINS: It's a great question. And you know, one of the things that one of the victims struck me, I mean there's so much that struck me about both the interviews with the parents and with these victims. Michaela, let me just point out a couple of things. The doctor's right, there's a lot of thing that are different about this case, but there's so many things that are common.

And one of the things that really struck me, is that you know, the parents acknowledged that they had this information, that they have the information that it was happening, that it was getting worse, that it was progressing from sleeping to attacks to when kids were awake to attacks on top of the clothes to under the clothes. You've got a child as young as five. They didn't intervene, Michaela and get these girls therapy until almost four years later. They didn't intervene as far as I know whenever get Josh any kind of

clinical intervention. When clearly, you got a 15-year-old that's doing this kind of molesting of a 5-year-old and they also knew about molestation outside of the house, Michaela.

PEREIRA: Right. Yes.

ROBBINS: So, to me, locking the doors, as a means to protect your children is not a way to handle it. So back to the question about these victims, though, I think, that in their mind, they probably processed it in a way. This is a guess, that down plays it.

And I had an incident that wasn't similar when I was in fourth grade, it was another kid, it was older but closer to an age. And I down played it in my mind. It wasn't until years later, that I truly acknowledged that it happened and I even told my parents.

So I bet that these two gals are certainly feeling a huge gap between how they internalized it when it happened and what's happening now with the media scrutiny. But yes, has real but it should be the Duggar family frankly.

PEREIRA: Well, there's questions --

ROBBINS: And the parents in how they handled it.

PEREIRA: Dr. Saxe, about what the parents knew, and when they knew and why they didn't alert authorities sooner. And should they be held responsible. How would you counsel a family in a situation like this?

SAXE: Well, I think the most important is that, it this happened - if I was called in at the time, is there needs to be an evaluation. There needs to be an assessment, two types, risk of the boy and risk to perpetrate again. How serious as it were to be situation where it's the most risk, what risk were the girls in and what safeguards really should be put in place based on the assessment.

The other, at the time, is what is the impact on the girls? And you need someone objective. Parents can't make an objective assessment.

PEREIRA: No, they certainly can't. And I think a lot of people are bringing that into question now. We'll see how it unfolds. We certainly hope the girls in the family and outside the family get the help they need. Dr. Saxe, Mel Robbins, thank you. And Mel, thank you so much for sharing your own personal story. And we thank you for that. Your bravery is quite obvious to all of us.

So what is your take? Tweet us #newdaycnn or you can add your comments to our Facebook page, facebook.com/newday. Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK. Michaela, Apple's annual developer's conference kicks off today. What does Apple have up its sleeve this year? We'll tell you.

[00:07:50] (COMMERCIAL BREAK) CAMEROTA: Time for CNN money now. Chief Business Correspondent,

Christine Romans is here with our money center. Christine, a lot of rumors circulating about Apple.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSNIESS CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Because today is Apple's annual worldwide developer conference. It starts today. A lot of talk about what to expect. First, maybe the launch of a music streaming app. Also, better developer tools or apple watch apps and Siri will be predicted pulling from a user's data to tell us what we need before we knew, just what I need.

Hillary Clinton is promising to fight for a minimum wage hike. The democratic presidential frontrunner told more than a thousand fast food workers in a convention in Detroit, she wants to be their champion. She said every worker deserves a fair wage and the right to unionize. So those higher wages we've already seen some states and cities passing higher wages. But fast food workers want to see $15. Hillary Clinton said she'll be their champion. You'll hearing a lot about that on the campaign trail for sure. Chris.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good stuff, Christine. Thank you very much.

ROMANS: You're welcome.

CUOMO: We've been following the story all morning. Two killers are on the run. How did they break out of super max prison? Power tools, a path through a maze of steam pipes, then they vanish. We have the latest on caper and the manhunt.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive has been hunt is underway for two convicted killers on the run.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is clear that they used power tools to escape.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All available assets are being brought to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I told you to stay.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A formal investigation into the incident has been started.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The children, they got to be handle things in a better manner than this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: American Pharaoh has won the triple crown.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is New Day. With Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to "New Day." It's Monday, June 8, 8:00 in the East. There's an all-out manhunt in upstate New York for two convicted murderers were on the run after daring prison break. The two convicted killers were last seen Friday night at bed check. Officials say they used power tools to cut through a steel wall and knew how to follow steam tunnels to make their escape.

CAMEROTA: So New York State is offering $100,000 reward for Richard Matt and David Sweat. Many think the pair had to have had help. CNN's Polo Sandoval, begins our coverage right outside the prison. What do we know at this hour Polo?

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, Chris, you know, what is interesting is that there is a sense of normalcy on the street here's in upstate New York. It is business as usual. We've seen school buses really driving the streets despite that increased police presence. So people here, are the folks that live in the shadow of the maximum security prison are going about their lives. But as for authorities at this hour, we know that they are scrambling to answer two key questions. Where are these guys and how on earth would they able to pull off this prison escape.