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Jeb Bush to Make Presidential Announcement on June 15th; Stanley Cup: Blackhawks Take Game 1; Duggars Address Molestation Scandal; Police Conduct Raids in Two States Connected to Plot. Aired 6:30-7a ET

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[06:31:32] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: We have a key race alert this morning. Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, like they say at the beginning of a UFC fight -- it is time. A big announcement on June 15th.

Three guesses what it is. The fist two don't count. He's expected to add his name to the lust of Republican hopefuls.

Here's what we know, a Bush aid tells CNN, Jeb is, quote, "ready".

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Here to weigh in, CNN political analyst Maggie Haberman, and CNN political reporter Sara Murray.

Great to have both of you.

Maggie, I want to start with you. It's always funny when politicians make a grand announcement that you're going to be making a grand announcement at some point.

MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Big theme this cycle. You have a lot of announcing about the announcing. Look, for Jeb Bush, I think this was imperative. He needs to end a lot of the questions about his fundraising that you're seeing. My paper did a big story about this.

And he's not the only person who's doing this. Governor Walker is doing this.

CAMEROTA: The question is, that he is raising money for his super PAC, and essentially he can do that because he's not a declared candidate yet. The question is whether he and people like Governor Walker who is a sitting governor, Chris Christie who is a sitting governor but not declared yet, are they walking right up to the line? Nobody is going to have as much money as Jeb on the Republican side. So, so that is why he's raised questions.

So, he now rips off that band-aid before he goes on a big trip to Europe next week and this ends one of the major questions.

CUOMO: And, Sara, how will this change the game in terms of how he can get money between what he's doing now and once he's officially in?

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, he can no longer accept unlimited donations. He's confined the much smaller amounts in terms of what he can ask donors for. Now, his super PAC can still accept unlimited checks but they can't work as closely as they did before. It will be interesting because a lot of Jeb's top aides are actually going to be working for the super PAC, so they won't be able to have the same close coordination that they've had.

And, honestly, like Maggie said, he's been getting a lot of criticism for the setup and I do feel like it was time. Everyone knows Jeb Bush is running for president. It's time to make it official.

CAMEROTA: Sara, I want to stick with you because you are there in Texas because of another big announcement that was made yesterday, and that is that Rick Perry is getting in the race. Now, of course, the last time he ran for president he was sort of caught up by some self inflicted wounds that made people -- left the impression that he wasn't ready for prime time. So, what's the new face of Rick Perry this time?

CUOMO: He has glasses on it.

CAMEROTA: Oh, does it?

MURRAY: You are -- yes, yes, he has the glasses. You're going to get a much more serious Rick Perry that time. I think we're getting a sense of that the way the announcement is set up. We're outside the venue right now.

Inside, there's a huge C-130 plane. That's the plane that Rick Perry flew in the Air Force. He's going to be surrounded by veterans now. And, look, they really want to introduce Rick Perry with his bio this time. They want you to know Rick Perry, the Air Force veteran, Rick Perry the successful governor, Rick Perry the family man who came from humble roots and a rural town.

The challenge is going to be getting voters to give him a second look after, of course, the oops moment.

CUOMO: Right. Well, look, he looks different. We're joking about it but it matters. I'm telling you, when Geraldo put the glasses on, it totally changed who people thought he was. He became a lawyer.

CAMEROTA: He put (ph) the mustache.

CUOMO: And he's got, yes, it's true. C-130, you know, that gives him his credentials. And also, the wife that he has someone who loves him and knows him who says you don't know him the right way yet.

Let's play the sound of his wife -- Perry's wife saying how she saw his flaws.

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ANITA PERRY, WIFE OF RICK PERRY: That wasn't the Rick Perry that I knew, that I know now up on that stage. And to be honest with you, he's different, so much different now than he was then.

[06:35:02] And I think America has really seen what a promising person he can be. And I think America is a great place for a second chance.

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CUOMO: Anita Perry lays it out.

Maggie, will it work?

HABERMAN: That's sort of the story we hear about America, right? Redemption tales. People do really love one.

Rick Perry, unfortunately, is this time running in a field that's basically twice as crowded as the one he ran in 2012. In 2012, he was supposed to be the white knight taking on Mitt Romney who people had concerns about, at the donor level and at the grassroots. Rick Perry, obviously, as his wife said, bombed terribly.

I do think that you can get --

CUOMO: I don't think that's what she said.

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HABERMAN: As she indicated, bombed terribly. That was not the Rick Perry I knew is what she said. He had a serious back surgery. He was unprepared.

He is prepared now. I do think he has something of a path in Iowa. I think Iowans are not sure where they're headed. All of the polls show it's very open among the Republican caucus goers. But I do think it's crowded and he's going to have to really stand out in a serious way.

CAMEROTA: Let's move on to the Democratic side. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island announced yesterday.

What's going on? You're chuckling.

HABERMAN: Sorry. So, I'm only chuckling because the Democrat side is so very different than what you're seeing on the Republican side. We expected that Jeb Bush was going to be something of a field clearer, that is not what has happened. Hillary Clinton remains ahead in the polls.

Lincoln Chafee is barely registering in the polls and he's a former Republican.

CUOMO: And independent.

HABERMAN: And independent. He spent part of his announcement yesterday talking about the metric system and how one of his big calls is he's going to bring that back.

So, I think he'll serve a purpose in this debate. But I think if you're looking for people who are going to impact more of what Hillary Clinton might be saying about the future, that's Martin O'Malley or Bernie Sanders.

CUOMO: Well, Sara, I think Maggie may be greatly underestimating the appeal of people wanting to go back to the metric system. Tenths are so much easier than the way we do it, it's always boggled my mind that no one brought this up sooner. It's like the new space campaign. But let's put this agenda to the side.

Do you think that Chafee, Webb, that people who come into the race against Hillary Clinton have to start going after Hillary Clinton a little bit to be effective? Because right now, they're right now they're all saying, well, I'm here for the ideas, I'm not -- like Bernie Sanders said, I'm not running against Hillary, I'm running for people? Doesn't that have to stop at some point?

MURRAY: Yes. Well, I don't even think it's a question of being effective. They have to go after Hillary if they want the press to pay attention to them at all.

I mean, Lincoln Chafee, Bernie Sanders, these people, I mean, they're very low in the polls. They're not the kind of people that we're going to be giving a ton of press coverage to unless they're going after Hillary Clinton. I think they're having some kind of impact on the conversation.

Lincoln Chafee is a little bit of a different scenario, because -- I mean, I'm a political reporter and I barely knew who Lincoln Chafee was. People don't know who he is.

Bernie Sanders on the other hand the drawing pretty big crowds in Iowa. People kind of want to see this guy.

CAMEROTA: All right. Ladies, thanks so much. It's getting interesting.

HABERMAN: It certainly is.

CAMEROTA: Maggie, Sara, thanks so much. We'll check back in with you guys.

CUOMO: That metric system has us thinking.

Later this morning, former Governor Lincoln Chafee is going to come on and we're going to have a serious conversation with him. He's been on NEW DAY before. He's going to talk about why he's in this race, how he can beat Hillary Clinton, and why you should think of him about president.

CAMEROTA: All right. Meanwhile, the Duggar family speaking publicly for the first time about son Josh Duggar's acts of molestation. The stunning revelations and what the parents of "19 Kids and Counting" say about it. That's ahead.

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[06:42:38] CAMEROTA: Law enforcement sources say the Boston terror suspect shot dead by police plotted to behead prominent activist Pamela Geller. Geller organized that draw Mohammed contest in Garland, Texas, that ended in gunfire when ISIS sympathizers tried to attack the event.

Authorities say Usaama Rahim scrapped the plan and instead plotted to randomly kill police officers.

CUOMO: Breaking news out of Ghana's capital. At least 76 people killed in a blast at a gas station. This is in the capital, of course, Accra. So, the death toll is expected to rise. Officials say the explosion was sparked by a fire that erupted in a nearby truck terminal last night.

CAMEROTA: Deadly bus crashes to tell you about in two separate states. Three people killed in the Poconos in Pennsylvania when a tractor trailer and a bus full of tourists collided head on in Monroe County. Thirteen others injured in that crash.

And in Texas, a bus driver and passenger died after a bus ran into a flat bed truck along highway 10. That's 90 miles west of Houston.

CUOMO: United Airlines apologizing after a flight attendant refused to give an unopened can of soda to a Muslim passenger. Tahera Ahmad told NEW DAY She was left in tears. The flight attendant refused to give her the unopened beverage, claiming the can can be used as a weapon, especially by her. The flight attendant will no longer serve customers and is receiving sensitivity training.

CAMEROTA: There you go. That helps.

CUOMO: Yes, it helps, it helps.

I always believe the speed at which you address the wrong is as important as anything else that you do. So were they fast enough here?

CAMEROTA: It was less than a week. But it certainly was more than one day. And what she endured on that flight being called names by other passengers, nobody stopped it being --

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CUOMO: Because you know people were big dealing it when it first happened. And the reaction to the interview, a can of soda, big deal, that means the people are a bigot? Yes, it kind of does. People think you're going to be violent if you think this can, but I won't. What does that say?

CAMEROTA: And they insulted her. They used really nasty names. But in any event they're addressing it now.

All right. Meanwhile, the Stanley Cup Final is underway as I can tell you. And it was Chicago Blackhawks striking first, taking game one against the Lightning, as I know.

Andy Scholes has more in this morning's bleacher report.

Hi, Andy.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Alisyn. I'm sure you were on the edge of your seat all night last night watching this.

All right. Now, game one and two of the series are in Tampa Bay.

[06:45:00] And the Lightning, they are doing whatever it takes to make sure they have the home ice advantage. Not only do they limit ticket sales to residents of Florida, they're not allowing Blackhawk fans to wear their colors in certain parts of the arena. Black and red are flat out banned in some sections.

Now, Tampa Bay, they got on the board in game one with this goal. Take another look. Just amazing stick work by him. And the Lightning led the game into the third period but that's when Chicago got two unanswered goals. Blackhawks come back to win game 1, 2-1. Game 2 of this series will be Saturday night.

The NBA finals, meanwhile, tips offs tonight at 9:00 Eastern in Oakland with game one between the Cavs and the Warriors. This is the fifth straight trip to the NBA finals for LeBron James. He's the first guy to do that since the 1960s. At this point, LeBron knows what it takes to win it all.

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LEBRON JAMES, CLEVELAND CAVALIERS: For me, as leader of the team, you know, it is my job to lead the guys and to perform well. At the end of the day -- win, lose or draw, that is all I can ask out of myself and ask out of my guys, and we'll do that.

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SCHOLES: And be sure to tune into "All Access at the NBA Finals with Rachel Nichols." She will be joined by Grant Hill and Steve Smith to break down the series. You can see that Saturday, 2:30 Eastern, right here on CNN.

All right. Chuck Blazer, who was one of -- he was on FIFA executive committee admitted he and others took bribes that rigged votes on where the 1998 and 2010 World Cups would be held. That's according to newly released federal court records. The 40-page document indicates that Blazer pleaded guilty to money laundering, fraud and tax evasion in 2013 and he played a central role in the U.S. government's case against other FIFA officials.

I have another thing to note on that. FIFA vice president Jack Warner, he was one of the 14 charged in corruption, in this entire case, guys, he went on TV in Trinidad. He said he's currently fearing for his life right now because he's about to turn over a mound of evidence in this big corruption case that implicates Sepp Blatter.

So, this case is just getting started.

CUOMO: All right. Thank you very much, Andy. As always, follow the money.

Coming up, the parents of Josh Duggar speaking out for the first time since molestation allegations surfaced. What are they saying about their son and being victims themselves? Ahead.

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MICHELLE DUGGAR, 19 KIDS AND COUNTING: I think as parents we felt we're failures. Here we tried to raise our kids to do what's right.

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[06:51:28] JIM BOB DUGGAR, 19 KIDS AND COUNTING: We thought, you know, at first that Josh, you know, was on the road to mend. And so there was a couple more times that he came and told us what he had done. And we were just devastated. All these -- again, this was not rape or anything like that.

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CAMEROTA: That was Jim Bob Duggar speaking out for the first time after his son Josh Duggars molested multiple victims, including four of his younger sisters more than a decade ago.

Let's discuss the ramification with CNN's senior media correspondent and host of "RELIABLE SOURCES", Brian Stelter. And former managing editor of "People" magazine, Larry Hackett.

Guys, thanks so much for being here.

Larry, what jumped out at you from this interview?

LARRY HACKETT, FORMER MANAGING EDITOR, PEOPLE MAGAZINE: The media story, if you don't watch the show, was that this crazy family with 19 kids and this very straight Christianity had this child who did the molestation. What are they about?

I thought they came across reasonably. There are going to be very few parents in the United States, assuming it's true, who are going to say in terms of what they did in terms of getting counseling and seeing the police, and how they treated the girls and him were not reasonable. But they did a reasonable a job.

CAMEROTA: Yes, Brian, it came out that they tried to address this within their own family. He was 14 when he confessed to them that he had inappropriately touched their sisters over their clothing. That was the first thing he admitted to. They went and sought out clergy, they sought out therapy for him. When he came back another time and then a time again and says, actually, I continued to do it and one time it was under the clothing, and it was with a bib by sitter who was outside of the family as well.

Then they took it upon themselves to go to the Arkansas police department and see what the recourse should be.

So, what do you think the ramifications are for this family and their show going forward given all of that?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: To some people, it sounded like they were trying to minimize the severity of this by talking about improper touching, by saying it was not rape. Clearly there's in indication this was rape or anything like that.

However, for them to be talking about how it was over the clothes and also under the clothes and then eventually it happened to a young daughter, a daughter under the age -- around the age of five years old. That is another level of detail here that we hadn't heard before that is shocking to a lot of people.

I think for fans obviously -- some fans of the show take away the fact that this family is trying to heal, that there was contrition. There are a whole lot of critics out there as well. And maybe this story is one of those stories with, this is a red/blue, left/right story, which is sad, but I think that's one of the cases.

CUOMO: You got red/blue and right and wrong as well. You know, this interview was a conversation among friends. It wasn't a testing interview.

And the question becomes, Larry, how much do you trust their appraisal of fact? Did anybody else verify what they say the son said? Because if you're the parent of the other kid, not the daughter, are you as satisfied that everything was done the right way?

HACKETT: Well, exactly. I think that does go to the red/blue thing. I think the second half of the show, or least the last third of the show was about the agenda of their critics and about whether or not --

STELTER: How the family is under attack.

HACKETT: Exactly. So, this is not going to end. If they had stopped with this is what we did, take or leave it, we'll take our punishment and we'll accept what TLC does, fine. But instead, it became about the agenda.

They had the daughters on, right? And there was a whole about, you know, is it -- wasn't independent unfair to you that this was revealed and your children were essentially named. Then they had these daughters on. The daughters who TLC is rumored for thinking about having their own spinoff. This is not going to end.

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CAMEROTA: Let's show the daughters and their response.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People don't have a right to do this. This is -- we're victims.

[06:55:02] They can't do this to us.

MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS: And yet they did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And they did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The system that was set up to protect kids, both of those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in their life and the ones affected by those choices -- it's just, it's greatly failed.

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CAMEROTA: Brian, when they say they can't do this to us, they mean the people who revealed it, the people who leaked this, the "In Touch" magazine.

STELTER: That's right. They're really focusing on the release of the juvenile records. It is clear the family wants the story to be about the release. They feel the illegal release --

CAMEROTA: It is a sealed juvenile records.

STELTER: They thought the records would never be revealed. They feel that the police chief in their town was going after them, targeting them, and that's partly why the family says they feel they're under attack.

But to the critics of the family members, it's as if they're making the juvenile records more of an issue than the actual molestation.

HACKETT: Well, indeed, and I think a couple of things need to be done. First of all, that police chief never had a chance to say anything in the show. That should have been done.

Number two, the magazine "In Touch" said they got the records from a Freedom of Information Act request. I don't know of anybody has looked into that. I don't know of any world where juvenile records --

CUOMO: If they're sealed, they wouldn't get it to a FOIA.

HACKETT: So, I don't if that's the case. And I'm sure this is going to go on. And I think the "they" is indeed the local cops and critics down there --

CUOMO: That wasn't checked in the interview. It's taken fact that there's an agenda --

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STELTER: We should mention, they say they might even sue over this issue of the release of the records. That would be a big deal.

CUOMO: Well, they are sealed records. They may have an issue.

HACKETT: They may. But the "they" here is all of the critics. This is not just the individual officials down there in Arkansas. This is everybody who is against them. They upped the ante here. I thought they were going to walk away. But, you know --

CAMEROTA: But, Laura, since you were at "People" magazine for so long, was it OK for "In Touch" magazine to share this information?

HACKETT: You know, that's a difficult thing. I mean, at the same time people are criticizing that it should be out there, the daughters were on television. I don't know how they get the information. I know, people -- the idea of printing juvenile information even if it was reacted, is very, very dicey.

On the other hand, people like to sell magazines. So -- and you can make the argument that the Duggars are chosen to live in a public realm and what goes on in their family is utterly germane to the news and what happens. That's a difficult argument. Yes, they were 14 and young but they chose to live by this and this is what happens.

CAMEROTA: So much to debate on this and delve into. Thanks so much, Brian and Larry, for being here.

HACKETT: You beat.

CAMEROTA: We want to hear your take. You can tweet us using #NewDayCNN, or post your comment on Facebook.com/NewDay. What do you think about how this became public and now them speaking about it?

All right. We're following a lot of news this morning. Let's get right to it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our officers went out there to only question the individual.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They targeted me for violating Sharia blasphemy laws. This is a showdown for American freedom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is not above the criticism that is being leveled at her because of her own affiliations.

CAMEROTA: ISIS has a new weapon and it's water.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their goal to, quote, "kill people of thirst".

CAMEROTA: Closing the gates of a dam in Ramadi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mistaken shipments that may have contained live anthrax.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Suspect shipments in 51 labs. There are now 400 lots of anthrax.

ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

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CAMEROTA: Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to your NEW DAY. Michaela is off this morning.

There are disturbing details this morning about the Boston terror suspect who was killed by police when he allegedly lunged at them with the military style. Officials say he plotted to randomly go after police because they were the easiest targets.

CUOMO: But his original deranged plan, which he says was inspired by ISIS, that's what authorities believed, is he wanted to cut the head off of prominent activist and conservative blogger, Pamela Geller. And now, an alleged co-conspirator is in custody as part of that.

CNN's Alexander Field is live in Boston for us and there may be other people at play here as well, yes?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Absolutely, Chris.

This investigation only widening at this point. You've got one person who's been charged in federal court. Police are still looking at another person.

But in a meantime, a key question on this investigation has been answered to the public. A lot of people are asking, why would police rush to confront Rahim in the parking lot of that CVS after watching him for years? What they're looking now from the court paperwork is that they had information that led them to believe that he planned to attack on Tuesday or Wednesday of this week.

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FIELD (voice-over): The original plot was originally sinister and gruesome according to law enforcement officials.

The FBI believes Boston terror suspect Usaama Rahim original plan was to behead Pamela Geller, a controversial activist and blogger.

According to an FBI affidavit, 26-year-old Rahim purchases this marine fighting knife on Amazon on May 25th. The following day on the 26th, he allegedly makes a phone call to his nephew.

Twenty-five-year-old David Wright now being charged with destroy evidence on Rahim's smartphone.