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George Zimmerman`s Latest Run-In, Shot In An Apparent Road Rage Incident; A College Class That Requires You As Part Of The Final To Be Naked; A Woman Has Twins By Two Different Fathers; California Guy, James Nielsen, Broke A World Record Race Called A "Beer Mile". Aired 9-10p ET

Aired May 12, 2015 - 21:00:00   ET

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[21:00:15] DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, George Zimmerman`s latest run-in. Also, a college course that makes students, well, strip for their

final. That is right. And, of course, my answers to your questions, whatever they might be. I will try to answer them tonight, but it all

starts right now.

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PINSKY: Let us get started with what we call the top of the feed. George Zimmerman, our old friend shot in an apparent road rage incident.

Zimmerman`s lawyer says he is just an innocent victim, yet aggression -- firearm seems to find him wherever he is. The other man`s lawyer claims

that that guy was just defending himself. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (1): An officer from Lake Mary Police Department was flagged down by George Zimmerman. He reported that he had

just been involved in a shooting.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (2): The alleged shooter, Matthew Apperson told police, Zimmerman drove up beside him and waved his gun.

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KEN CORNELL, BYSTANDER: "I just shot George Zimmerman. Please call 911." Really? I am like, "What? You shot George Zimmerman?" He said, "Yes,

sir."

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DON WEST, ZIMMERMAN`S DEFENSE LAWYER: This fellow was taunting and yelling at him, calling him names. You are going to shoot me now? And, the fellow

followed him, followed him around the u-turn, and then pulled up next to him and shot at him.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This is not the first time Zimmerman and Apperson have crossed paths. According to police, the two were involved in

a previous road rage incident in September 2014.

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MARK NEJAME, APPERSON`S ATTORNEY: This is good old-fashioned self- defense. You do not need to wait to see if a bullet strikes you before you have the right to pull a gun.

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PINSKY: Joining us, Samantha Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com; Michael Catherwood, my "Love Line" co-host as well as my co-host on KABC Daytime

and Danine Manette, Criminal Investigator, author of the new book "Messages For Joey: A Few Things I Need You To Know About Life, Friendship, Money,

Love And Self." And, Danine, why cannot he stay out of trouble? This guy finds trouble wherever he goes.

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Trouble finds this guy. It is amazing. I have been working in the criminal justice field for 25 years,

and I have never gotten into as many conflicts as this guy gets into in like a week. It seems like trouble is always finding him. He is always

the victim. People are always after him. I do not get it.

PINSKY: And I think he would say, if we were to sort of confront him with that, he or his family would say, "Oh, you know, his life has been falling

apart ever since that Trayvon Martin case." Of course, of course he is aggressive. Of course there is trouble. Sam, you are smirking.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER": Here is the thing. To your point, yes, we continue to see George Zimmerman get himself in these

situations. I do not understand why he is still allowed to carry a gun.

PINSKY: Which is weird.

SCHACHER: And which is weird. And as far as this guy goes, I think that there are a lot alike.

PINSKY: The other guy?

SCHACHER: The other guy, Apperson. Do you want to know little bit about their history?

PINSKY: Sure. Sure.

SCHACHER: OK. So, they do have some beef, the two of them. All right? So, September 8th, Apperson called 911, claimed that Zimmerman threatened

to shoot him dead in a road rage incident.

PINSKY: What?

SCHACHER: Then just two days later Apperson calls 911 on September 10th, says Zimmerman was waiting for him outside his office. Zimmerman said he

just happened to be there coincidentally for another appointment.

PINSKY: With his gun --

SCHACHER: You know, and I just think that these two guys after, you know, looking at the research, I think both of them are both hotheads. They are

both trigger-happy. And, I think because they are so similar, that is why they continue to butt heads.

PINSKY: Mike?

MIKE CATHERWOOD, DR. DREW`S CO-HOST ON "LOVE LINE": I think they are very similar. They are both insecure chicken hawks. And everyone knows that

guy who has to go around asserting himself in these wild outlandish ways like driving into someone on the freeway, screaming at them, maybe even

pulling a gun and shooting it.

You know what this has to deal with? Both of these guys have their floppy man boobs and their disgusting ill fitting clothes. Maybe if one of them

took one moment to actually do something to improve themselves as men and do something that was not this rancid perversion of masculinity that they

have, they would not have to be out in the middle of the street shooting at each other.

PINSKY: Mike do not hold back. How do you actually feel about these guys?

CATHERWOOD: You know, this angers me so much because these are the same guys that get the idea of gun laws brought into scrutiny. And, it is not

because -- listen, gun laws, I understand why people would want to have the debate over what we should do with guns.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: But do not use these idiots as an example of why and what gun owners are because they are just nudniks.

PINSKY: All right. Well, we have a lot of nudniks in this country. But one woman that is not a nudnik, joining me from Washington, D.C., Jessie

Jane Duff. She is a Gunnery Sergeant U.S. Marine Corps Retired; senior fellow with the London Center for Policy Research. Jessie, as always, a

privilege to have you.

JESSIE JANE DUFF, GUNNERY SERGEANT U.S. MARINE CORPS (RET.): Thank you.

PINSKY: What do you think about what Mike just said? That you know these two, what he refers to kindly as nudniks, should not be thought of as an

average gun owner and they sure certainly should not be what we think about in the conversation about guns and gun possession?

DUFF: Yes. Well, first of all, most gun owners hate sloppy gun owners because they make us all look bad.

[21:05:01] We have millions of legal gun carrying citizens in this country. And, every day they are not running around, causing a wild, wild

west show the way this is going on with George Zimmerman.

So, my comment would be is that he has not been convicted of anything. But if they should find that he has abused his right to carry, the book needs

to be thrown at him full force. Because this is nonsense for him to continually be this the headlines, and giving all legal gun owners a

thoroughly bad name.

PINSKY: Let me -- let us just take a little tour through his legal troubles. In 2012, everyone is aware he shot Trayvon Martin. 2013

arrested for domestic violence. 2014, threatens to kill a guy in a road rage incident. 2015 arrested again on domestic violence complaint. I

mean, this guy, Danine -- Sam, you want to say --

SCHACHER: I mean how many lives does he get? He is like a cat. It is like he is going on nine lives. I am sick of it. Lock him up.

PINSKY: But he is like O.J. Simpson, Danine, in the sense that, you know, these guys do not -- they show themselves, eventually, right?

MANETTE: And, you know -- you see, people who have survivor`s guilt, when they survive some type of a tragedy and all of the sudden become very self-

destructive. This guy has like acquittal guilt.

SCHACHER: Yes.

MANETTE: It is like now that he has been acquitted for something he is constantly going out there and doing something else.

PINSKY: These are words I never thought I would say. After Casey Anthony was acquitted, we do not hear from her.

MANETTE: Right.

PINSKY: She does not seem to go around murdering children or getting in domestic violence or shooting guns off or whatever we thought she might

have done. Casey Anthony drops out of sight. George Zimmerman seems to escalate.

MANETTE: He is like O.J.

PINSKY: Like O.J. --

MANETTE: He cannot seems to stay out of trouble.

PINSKY: That is right. Sam.

SCHACHER: Well, he clearly has, you know, an anger management problem. He clearly is entitled. He thinks that he is above the law at this point

because he continues to get away with things. And, I think that is the problem.

PINSKY: Also because, well, he has been made an object of scrutiny.

SCHACHER: Oh poor him. He is such a victim. Oh poor Zimmerman.

MANETTE: He is always the victim. He is always the victim.

PINSKY: Mike, last hought.

CATHERWOOD: Well, I am just shocked that every time we check in with George Zimmerman for all these terrible reasons, he always seems to have

some girlfriend. And, I have friends that are muscular and good and like upstanding moral citizens. They cannot seem to get laid no matter what.

George Zimmerman has man boobs and kills people and he gets laid all the time.

PINSKY: And with that in mind, I will remind you, coming up we will continue the conversation about George`s man boobs, evidently. And, mind

you, we are live. There is no ability to screen what Mike says, nor what I say for that matter. We will also be talking about a college class that

requires you as part of the final to be naked. Back after this.

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[21:11:38] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 OPERATOR: Yes, how can I help you, sir?

KEN CORNELL, BYSTANDER: Yes. A guy just said he had to pull a gun on a guy. And, now a guy right here just said he had to shoot at someone

through his window, so he wants the police to come.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 OPERATOR: What business is that?

CORNELL: It is -- He is kind of outside on the street. He is just standing out here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE 911 OPERATOR: What kind of car is he driving?

CORNELL: He is driving an Infinity. He said he had to -- It was George Zimmerman.

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PINSKY: We are discussing George Zimmerman, his latest run-in with the law. This time he says a man shot at him. Back with Sam, Mike, Danine and

Jessie. And, now Danine, the man who shot Zimmerman is claiming self- defense. Do you buy that?

MANETTE: No, no. I do not.

PINSKY: Yes.

MANETTE: Zimmerman gets on my nerves number one. Let me just put that out there.

PINSKY: Reasonably.

MANETTE: But the fact that he is constantly -- he is always a victim of something.

PINSKY: Yes.

MANETTE: He is always the person who wants to claim the self-defense. I do not know what this other guy`s story was. It is kind of like the

Hatfield`s and the McCoy`s.

PINSKY: We do not know.

MANETTE: I do not know what their history is, but it seems like it goes back quite a ways that they had been -- together.

PINSKY: It is crazy. Whatever it is, it is crazy.

MANETTE: Yes.

PINSKY: Yes, on both sides. We have an audience question. Go right ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: Yes. Do you think Zimmerman should be allowed to carry a gun?

PINSKY: I do not think he should be allowed to carry a gun. However, the guy was acquitted of a crime. So, he technically is no different than the

rest of us. Jessie, what do you think here?

DUFF: Well --

PINSKY: I mean, this guy finds trouble. You would think that -- you know, see, in California, we just created a new sort of provision. There was an

Isla Vista shooting, I do not know if people are aware, which is the same community where there was a shooting at the University of California, Santa

Barbara last year, and killed a bunch of students. Where a kid who should not have had a gun, had a gun and killed a bunch of his peers because hot

girls would not go out with him basically.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: Mike would have gone on a rampage long ago when he was younger. Now, you can appeal to the court to get people to restrict their privilege

to have a gun if you do not feel that they should have them. The judge will make a decision about that. Is not that a reasonable thing for all

states to adopt? And would not that be a solution for George Zimmerman? Jessie?

DUFF: I think it needs to be state by state. I do not think we could make California laws fit what Florida laws are. However, in this particular

case, he was not convicted. He now has a right to still carry a gun.

However, if they find that he was misusing his privilege, I believe the book should be thrown at him and thrown at him severely, because this is

one thing that we have to recognize in George Zimmerman`s case.

We are calling him a lot of names. We are saying a lot of things, A lot of inflammatory things, of course, because this is how we all feel. Well do

not like him. But the law is still on his side, to be proven guilty of abuse.

If they do prove it, yes, throw the book at him. However, the guy is probably very paranoid ever since his charges at the trial, and he has been

a national figure on many levels.

PINSKY: And, to be fair --

DUFF: And, I would think he is a nervous wreck everywhere he turns.

PINSKY: -- well, yes, and to be fair, he was probably like that to begin with. It certainly -- Right?

DUFF: Yes.

PINSKY: The way he behaved, what got him into this situation. He is just maybe more of what he already was.

DUFF: Exactly.

PINSKY: We have another audience question. Yes, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi. I was wondering do you think that it is healthy for us as a society in general to ignore the fact -- I am sorry, to

ignore the -- the -- the -- sorry, I am so sorry. To ignore --

PINSKY: It is live T.V. No big deal.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: To ignore the factor that racism and race play in George Zimmerman`s initial, his first case.

PINSKY: In other words, has there not enough made of the racial motivation for that shooting? Is that what you are saying?

[21:05:00] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I think -- Yes. Do I think that it is healthy for us as a society or even George Zimmerman, like, you know,

to ignore the fact that racism and race, they play -- you know, they play a point --

PINSKY: Yes. I do not know that -- to me that was not ignored then.

DUFF: In fact, that case brought a lot to the forefront. It started a lot of the conversation that we are continuing to have now.

PINSKY: And, think of where we are now. I mean, this is something that is top of mind with everybody.

CATHERWOOD: Post-Baltimore, post-Ferguson, I think that it has become more of an issue. I definitely think that the entire situation with Trayvon

Martin brought that to a different level.

PINSKY: And started it.

CATHERWOOD: In public perception.

PINSKY: Started the process.

MANETTE: It did. we are no longer to ignore the elephant in the room pretty much.

SCHACHER: Right. With the dialogue but at the same time, he was acquitted. And,that is what is really frustrating.

PINSKY: Jessie trying to get. Jessie, go ahead.

DUFF: We are ignoring the elephant in the room there have been 89 homicides in Baltimore since the beginning of the year. That is four per

week. We are ignoring the elephant in the room. One of the highest rates of homicide in this country are in Chicago.

And, guess where the lowest rate of federal prosecution in the nation is of gun charges? Chicago. That is our issue. Go after the homicides, the

illegal gun carrying. And, a lot of these George Zimmerman`s cases that are getting the headlines would not even be the focus.

We need to resolve the issues that are within our inner cities that are allowing these illegal gun carrying and murders to go on and not even hit

the headlines. Black-on-black crime is not in the headlines. Why? Why?

PINSKY: Well, it is -- Danine, do you want to try to answer that?

MANETTE: Yes. You know what? See, people keep saying that. And, that is an issue, and that is something that is important for us to discuss. But,

right now the focus is on police brutality and is on a people who feel as though there is a system that is oppressing them and occupying the

community in which the individual live.

But, you jumped to something else. We were talking about George Zimmerman, but you went on to something else. So, I want to address your point about

black-on-black crime in the inner city.

DUFF: Because you said the elephant in the room -- you said we are ignoring the elephant in the room. The elephant is not George Zimmerman.

It is the murders in the communities that are going unresolved. That is the issue.

MANETTE: But what this case brought up. What the Zimmerman`s case brought up was how people have preconceived notions and biases when dealing with

people outside of their community. And that often causes situations where we end up with something being dead like with Trayvon Martin.

CATHERWOOD: That is an entirely fair point. I mean I think really, at the core of it was would anyone -- any one of us regardless of our color looked

at a 17-year-old boy with a hoodie walking through our neighborhood as if he was a white kid or if he was a black kid, would you look at him

differently? And, that definitely was the core root of what Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman brought to the front.

PINSKY: I would argue --

SCHACHER: Exactly.

PINSKY: I would argue that the Jessie`s point is well taken in the sense that this conversation needs to continue and expand.

MANETTE: Exactly.

SCHACHER: Right, but it does not absolve George Zimmerman.

DUFF: And, I am not -- I need to make another point that I believe that the prosecution failed in Florida. It became a race issue because they

overreached and went for murder. They should have gone for manslaughter and they would have prosecuted the guy.

Because murder is saying that he intentionally went to kill the kid. I do not believe that he intentionally went to kill him. However, manslaughter

would have stuck, and we would not be having this conversation today.

So, if prosecutors want to have overreach and they cannot hold their case, you will lose every time. And, meanwhile we have got George Zimmerman

running around doing the wild, wild west out there in Florida.

SCHACHER: I agree. It is just a matter of time.

PINSKY: We will leave it at that. I think that is a reasonable place to stop this conversation, bu, we are having the conversation. And, I am

delighted that we are continuing to have it. Up next, the segment we call sexting.

And then a little later, I will be answering all of your questions about anything. You can tweet me @Dr.Drew`sQs. A reminder, this is a live, live

show. So, we will pull these questions together and I will answer them as best I can live right here. But, right now we will be taking a quick

break. We will be right back.

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PINSKY: Time now for a segment we call "Sexting." It is your chance to ask myself, my panel, any of the sexting relationship questions that might

be on your mind. Again, you can tweet them to us, Facebook us, Instagram them.

I am back with Sam, Mike, Danine. And, we are going to start with a Facebook question. It is from Naomi. She says -- and this is an

interesting question. "I have never used an online dating website or app. Which ones would you recommend for people looking for love, not for

hookups?" Samantha?

SCHACHER: I would say match, then.

PINSKY: Match.com?

SCHACHER: Because, you know Tinder, I have a lot of friends that I know Tinder initially was a hookup app.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: But now people are using Tinder because it is a lot easier. You do not have to fill out the profile. But, I think the profile is a good

thing because then you get a good match.

PINSKY: But Mike, you and I deal with "Love Line" all the time.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: With people -- the young ladies think they are using Tinder for dating and the males think they are using it to hook up.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. I mean also you got to remember we are not talking about like your neighborhood. We are not talking about something that is even

relegated to a state. Tinder is one of those things that there is so many people on there, of course there is going to be throngs of perverts.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: I really think you got to -- you got to kind of -- when you are choosing your online dating service, it is almost like choosing where

you want to work or where you want to go to school. You really have to gear it towards what you are going for.

PINSKY: It is so different using an app versus, using a service versus using a consultant. There is all kinds of things.

CATHERWOOD: I mean, honestly, there is nothing against online dating. I think it is great, and it is really the modern way. But the advice I

always give people is just build your life up, and I guarantee Mr. or Mrs. Right will come along with in it. You know, they are always like, "Where

am I going to meet Mr. Right? What website?" How about you just join a new yoga class?

PINSKY: Right. Exactly.

CATHERWOOD: How about you go hiking? And, you might find somebody in life and there is actually these places where people go that is not digitally

based. It is crazy.

MANETTE: I like fidelitydating.com and Christianmingle.com.

PINSKY: Oh.

MANETTE: So, I think if you are looking for somebody who is not necessarily trying to --

PINSKY: Fidelity?

MANETTE: Fidelitydating.com. It is actually a new site for people who are tired of being in relationships where someone cheated. And, they just have

made a commitment that they are going to get online and they are going to meet other people who are not going to cheat. Farmers too.

CATHERWOOD: Famers only.

SCHACHER: Farmers only! Yes!

CATHERWOOD: That is for real Americans.

PINSKY: And, Mike, you visited Ashley Madison -- wait, no. Sam, what do you say? What?

SCHACHER: No. I could not believe that you just brought up Ashley Madison. Is not that a cheaters?

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: You are not a cheater.

CATHERWOOD: I am not.

[21:25:00] PINSKY: Listen, it is a horrible, horrible idea. Yes, ma`am, a question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes. This is Anya.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I was seeing someone, had trouble sometimes.

PINSKY: What does that mean?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Dysfunction.

PINSKY: He had erectile dysfunction.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: And, I am wondering where is that coming from? Is it the mind? Is it age?

PINSKY: How old is he?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: 40.

PINSKY: Was he on my medication?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: What was he taking?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I do not know.

CATHERWOOS: Was it antidepressants? Was it --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Well, at the time, no, no.

PINSKY: Was it like blood pressure medicine? What do you think?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No. Nothing at the time, no. But now he is. So, I think -- I think -- well, OK. Yes.

PINSKY: So, here is the deal. We do not know who your friend was.

CATHERWOOD: Well said.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Yes. So, in a man -- in a man after the age of really 35, if he is a smoker and particularly 40 or 50 if he is a nonsmoker, erectile

dysfunction is actually the first sign of heart disease.

If I were to evaluate a 40-year-old man that had this problem all of the sudden, I would put him on a treadmill very first thing. The next most

common thing is medication. Well, the heart disease is the first thing to rule out. But, the most common thing would be medication.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: He has cholesterol issues.

PINSKY: OK. Well, high cholesterol, high blood pressure can also add, but then the medicines you take can also do the same thing. So, it is

something you got to weigh out with medication.

CATHERWOOD: There is nothing to do with how attractive he was to you.

PINSKY: Exactly.

CATHERWOOD: That is a guarantee. That is a guarantee.

PINSKY: No. No, that is a guarantee.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: In fact --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No. I believe you.

CATHERWOOD: A lot of girls think that. They think that there must be something wrong with them if their guy cannot perform in a certain way.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: It never is.

PINSKY: It is either medication -- it is either a biological medical problem when they are older, or when they are younger it is anxiety. But,

they are anxiety because they are too into it actually. They are actually so sort of want to please and stuff they get anxious and things do not

work. So there you go.

All right, on Twitter, I have Lucia, who asks to explain bisexuality. "People who do not care what gender partner they are with, are they

hypersexual?" She is sort of talking about two different things. I mean bisexuality.

There is bisexuality which is somebody that is still trying to negotiate becoming gay there is that. People that are still having sex with the

opposite sex, but not able to fully accept that they are gay, right? We agree with that one. So, that happens a lot. And, a lot of the gay

community believes that is the only way it occurs.

SCHACHER: Really?

PINSKY: And, there are people within that community who will take a sort of militant position about that. It is just that you are not fully

accepted your homosexuality.

SCHACHER: I clearly knows people that --

PINSKY: Of course there are.

SCHACHER: OK.

PINSKY: Of course there are.

CATHERWOOD: Most are girls, though, right?

SCHACHER: Well, yes. I mean -- no. I know both. Yes. I am of a different opinion. I feel like if a man has sex with a man, then he is

gay.

PINSKY: Well, that is the way a lot people do feel. And, there is another -- there is such a thing as immature bisexuality and there is also a sexual

confusion, sexual identity confusion.

SCHACHER: And, now I am confused.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Yes. Particularly, when people are sexually abused in childhood oftentimes sort of gets very, very confused about their sexual orientation.

And, they can sort of be back and forth and be confused and feel guilty and ashamed and not be clear what they are doing. And, that is actually my

experience, the population I deal with, that is the most common thing I hear on Love Line.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. I mean I can easily relate to that, because although I have never had the actual sexual identity confusion, being, you know --

having sexual trauma at a young age, you know, that we have talked about, Drew.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: It definitely made me confused on at least what is idealistic in the bedroom. You know, what I should be searching for.

PINSKY Yes.

CATHERWOOD: My mind was cloudy --

PINSKY: You spin a bit.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

PINSKY: You spin. Right. Other question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Well, I just wanted to know what your thoughts were about being part of a generation that does not want to take

part of monogamy or promote it? Like how to survive like being part of this generation.

PINSKY: So, you would prefer a monogamous relationship, but you feel as though that is not a supported position.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: I am not sure that is true. Do you guys think that is true?

SCHACHER: I do not -- I mean --

PINSKY: Maybe it is amongst the peers -- you guys are saying it is true?

MANETTE: It is a hookup generation kind of. I mean it really is. It does not seem -- People do not seem to have as much emphasis on fidelity.

PINSKY: I would say two -- and please step in if you guys have a different opinion, but two things. One, if that is your fundamental sort of instinct

as a woman, that is a deep instinct of yours, defend it, stand up for it, ask for it to be met, fight for it.

Go ahead and do that, because guess what? Humans are healthier, especially men are healthier when they are in monogamous-sustained relationships. All

their health parameters are better. All their mental health parameters are better. So, if you bring them along kicking and screaming. They are

better off for it. Everybody disagree with me? Can I get an Amen, Mike?

CATHERWOOD: I agree totally.

SCHACHER: You get an amen. You get two points too.

CATHERWOOD: I also think that, you know, you look very young. And, I think that regardless of the generation, when you are dating within your

peers and you are a woman and you are in your early 20s in your teens, you are going to be around guys who want mostly sex. And, that has nothing to

do with generation. That is just who those guys are.

PINSKY: It is young people.

CATHERWOOD: Once you get to guys who are past 30, and they start to kind of really realize what they want in life and what ask meaningful, that kind

of goes away. Monogamy becomes a little bit more important.

PINSKY: As Mike and I say often, it is not to male bash. It is just sort of what we see to be truth.

CATHERWOOD: It is the truth.

PINSKY: And, I think people --

Stay away from men before the age of 28. They are dangerous. They are animals. Be careful. As we become human again, we are good, right? We

got to take a break.

[21:30:00] Next up, we have a story about students being required to get naked for a final exam. For a final exam they have to be naked to pass the

exam. We will get into that after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Do they really have to get naked to pass the class? A battle is brewing at the University of California San Diego over

the final exam for a visual arts class. The professor, Ricardo Dominguez, requires the students to strip down in a dark candlelit room and perform a

gesture that speaks about their erotic self. One student and her mom have complained.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Everyone is going to be naked. It is nothing - - she is not being singled out there. Is nothing sexual about it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: As for Dominguez, he says, "They know what they are getting into."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RICARDO DOMINGUEZ, VISUAL ARTS PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, SANDIEGO: "If they are uncomfortable with this gesture, they should not

take the class.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(END VIDEOTAPE)

[21:35:00] PINSKY: We are talking about a story that has us all saying what the -- Sam, Mike, Danine with me. Sam, naked final and a -- did he

say a sexual gesture or a naked gesture?

SCHACHER: it is just an erotic gesture. This --

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: I mean I do not remember any of these type of classes when I was at UCLA. There is no way I feel like that this is a professor perv, I

think his name is right. And, I think he is hiding behind this course.

PINSKY: No, Mike? No?

CATHERWOOD: Listen, every -- no matter how high quality the institution, every one of the universities in this country has stupid ass classes that

we all have to pay for. Trust me. Berkeley has a Tupac class.

SCHACHER: That is not stupid. No.

PINSKY: I am telling you, that right now at Harvard, they are studying -- there is kids that pay thousands and thousands of dollars, so that they can

study something that means nothing. And, you go into this class knowing that you have to take a naked final.

He has been doing it for 11 years. I am not saying I agree with it. The guy is clearly some weird hippie pervert. But, every single one of these

students knew that what they were getting into when they signed up for it. So, do not start complaining now when the final comes

SCHACHER: Oh, no, no, no.

PINSKY: But, it was the mom I think started complaining. I am not sure it is the student. The university says getting naked is not required. So,

they just have to show some nakedness.

MANETTE: What is wrong with the take home final? I do not understand why they have to do the final there? Number one. Number two, did not the

regents just raise the tuition like by 5 percent? They could get rid of this guy and use his salary to help pay for something.

SCHACHER: I do not think you want to suggest the take-home final to this professor because he might take you up on it.

MANETTE: Oh, I do not like that. Take home, not with him.

SCHACHER: And Mike, he was not that clear in the syllabus. I read it. He was very vague. He should have been clear and said something like, "If you

do not show ass, I am going to fail -- you are going to fail this class." That is what he should have said. And, that is why students are confused.

PINSKY: And, he gets naked also naked, and --

(LAUGHING)

MANETTE: Is that a treat?

PINSKY: And, I read somewhere that it included things like considerations like, "Well, you could just not wear your facial makeup if that makes you

feel naked or you can show some naked emotions or something, sort of an artistic expression."

CATHERWOOD: Right. You can wear Sam`s dress.

PINSKY: Right. That would be naked enough.

CATHERWOOD: Here is the thing. It is a visual arts elective class at UCSD. It is not pre-med at Yale. OK? This mom should shut her goddamn

mouth because -- What is she expecting? Her daughter is studying -- is taking this visual arts elective class at UCSD. She cannot get all upset

now. I mean I know these people. I know these students. Listen, do not look at me like that.

SCHACHER: You -- this is a new father. What if your daughter -- your beautiful little daughter was in this class with candlelight and this pervy

ass professor, what would you do then?

CATHERWOOD: I would say to my daughter -- I would say, "Do you really want to study that nudnik stuff? Come on. There is going to be something you

could do out there that can bring good money."

SCHACHER: You would be mad.

CATHERWOOD: I would not be.

PINSKY: I want to bring in --

CATHERWOOD: People do wacky stuff in college. And, every college professor is like just at least a little twist of hippie pervert.

PINSKY: Let me bring in an artist.

SCHACHER: You are right.

PINSKY: Jen Rozenbaum, she is a so-called intimate photographer for women. You should appreciate her work, Mike. Jen, quickly describe for us what

you do and your thoughts on what this artist professor, a fine art professor is attempting to do.

JEN ROZENBAUM, WOMEN`S INTIMATE PHOTOGRAPHER: Sure, thank you guys for having me today. So, I consider myself an intimate photographer for the

shamelessly feminine. It is also known as boudoir photography. But, I only photograph women in any level of undress that they would like, from

clothing all the way down to nudity. And, it is really for me about them shedding their inhibitions along with their clothing.

CATHERWOOD: Yes!

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: So, what about with this professor`s doing? Students of public funds being spent on a class where a bunch of students are getting naked

and feeling uncomfortable about it. The professor gets naked with them. I call this a boundary problem.

ROZENBAUM: Well, you know what I find interesting about your immediate reactions, I have a very different view on it. But, what I find

interesting is that, all of the sudden he is a pervert? I mean does anybody know anything about this guy? Does he have a record? Is he known

to be a pervert? I mean why is he pervert?

PINSKY: No record, no record.

SCHACHER: He had a couple of weird run-ins.

PINSKY: Like what?

SCHACHER: Like he developed some not in a predatory way, but he developed some GPS device in order to -- it is true, in order to help immigrants

cross the border.

PINSKY: Why is that -- oh, I see.

SCHACHER: I am telling you. You said, does he have a record?

PINSKY: Well, no, not a record of being a --

SCHACHER: OK. But you brought that it up. No. Not with sexual misconduct.

MANETTE: He does not need a record.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

MANETTE: I mean he got students get naked in the classroom in a candlelit. No. He does not need a record.

PINSKY: But it is art. It is art, though.

MANETTE: Getting them in touch with their inner pole dancer? I mean what is the purpose of this particular class? What are you going to get with

this other than pole dancing?

PINSKY: Go ahead, Jen.

ROZENBAUM: I think that we are judging and we are making people feel shame that are not doing anything shameful. I mean the way I see this is that

these are willing participants. They are old enough to vote. They are old enough to serve in the army. They are old enough to, you know, do a lot of

different things. They are taking this class on their own time.

It is an elective, we said.

[21:40:01] So, why is it up to us to make them feel shameful for what they want to do. If they are comfortable with this, that is great. Now, the

mom who is not comfortable with it, in my opinion, I do not know -- I would think that she is making her daughter some shame about her body and her

choices as well.

And, I have a daughter who is almost 10, and, you know, if she decided that she would take this class, I would have a conversation with her about it.

And, if she had good legit reasons why she wanted to take it and she was comfortable with it, I would respect her decision as an adult.

PINSKY: All right.

SCHACHER: I do not think that I have to say something. Because I do not think in this case it is about shame. I think -- because I am very sex

positive, and I would want my daughter to feel empowered. But, I think in this case it is about really dictating what is on that syllabus.

And, that syllabus is full of language that is too vague. He is not being clear about it. And, that is why some of the students until the very last

week were unclear about what they had to do and that is not OK.

PINSKY: I got to wrap this up with my thoughts. The fact is as follows is that, there is nothing in principle problematic about this the way Jen was

saying. The problem is more of a functional or operational problem, which is that when big people take care of little people. You hear me say this

all the time in this program.

People in authority, teachers, doctors, people in managerial positions take care of the people they are responsible for. And, the number one thing

they have to do is maintain boundaries. And, the people that have trouble with boundaries are the ones that are going to be attracted to these

problematic people who may be porous with their boundaries. And that becomes problematic for the people for whom they are responsible.

This guy, we really do not know about this guy. He may not understand the impact he is having on kids who are at risk. He has nobody to assess that

thing. Yes, it is studying art. Yes, it is all cool. Yes, we are sex positive. But, he does not understand what could potentially happen here

to people who are at risk who have been previously traumatized. He is responsible for them. And, that is where it becomes a problem.

"Click Fix" is next. A woman has twins by two different fathers. I will tell you how that is even possible. We are back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[21:46:17] PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Mike, and Danine. And it is time for "Click Fix," where the panel tells me what is happening on their

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram feeds. Mike, you are up.

CATHERWOOD: Oh, yes --

PINSKY: Stop abusing Sam.

CATHERWOOD: I am sorry.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: I am sorry, I was busting chops. I really was. I got caught. Everyone has been inundated with the Deflate-gate stuff, all over. Every

single media source is talking about the New England Patriots and Tom Brady and Deflate gate. A million bucks the Patriots are going to be fined. Tom

Brady, a four-game suspension going in the next season. Drew, you actually weighed in on this with Mr. Jimmy Kimmel.

PINSKY: I did.

SCHACHER: You did?

PINSKY: Yes.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: It is a common problem that is too often overlooked. Every year thousands of athletes suffer from deflated balls. Your balls should feel

firm and bouncy. If your balls feel soft or mushy to the touch, show them to an official immediately. Also, do not forget to check your testicles

and your prostate from time to time. I am Dr. Drew.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHACHER: Yay!

PINSKY: Thank you for the great Jimmy Kimmel for giving me a chance to participate in his program. It was funny, right?

SCHACHER: It was great. Good job.

PINSKY: Yes. Thanks for bringing that back, Mike. Sam, what about you?

SCHACHER: OK. So, my "Click Fix" is a video that is blowing up all over YouTube. It is about a California guy. His name is James Nielsen, and he

broke a world record. And, the world record is a race called a "Beer Mile." And, it is exactly what it sounds like. So, he runs a mile while

drinking beers. Now, there are some rules --

PINSKY: Wait, wait. Does he drink the whole time?

SCHACHER: Yes. Well --

PINSKY: Oh, no, he drinks --

SCHACHER: So, he drinks and it has to be a 12-ounce beer. OK? And, then 5 percent alcohol. So, he starts with the 12-ounce beer. And, then every

quarter he drinks another quarter.

PINSKY: Every quarter mile.

SCHACHER: Every quarter mile.

PINSKY: Wow.

SCHACHER: Wait until you hear his world record, 00:04:57.

PINSKY: When you say 227 -- they say 227, does that mean he has done 227 beers -- No?

CATHERWOOD: No.

SCHACHER: No, no, no.

CATHERWOOD: That is 227 seconds.

PINSKY: OK. I got it.

CATHERWOOD: Nudnik.

(LAUGHING)

SCHACHER: OK. So you are trying to bring nudnik back.

PINSKY: It is all back, do not worry.

SCHACHER: And, what is interesting too is these racers, they say the reason why that they actually feel that their bodies are being abused

during this race because they do bring up the fact that there is a whole lot of bodily functions that happen. They vomit, they burp, it is not

because of the alcohol, but it is because of the 48 ounces of carbonation that is chilling in their stomachs as they run.

PINSKY: Yes. The alcohol has no effect whatsoever, of course. Zero effect. They vomit not because of the alcohol. No, not at all.

SCHACHER: And, this guy is a doctor, just so you should know.

PINSKY: No.

SCHACHER: Yes, yes.

PINSKY: Oh my goodness. So, how many beers did he drink?

SCHACHER: Well, you could only -- he only drinks four. So, 48 ounces over the mile.

PINSKY: I see. I see. It is the fastest mile.

MANETTE: What is his record? 00:04:50.

CATHERWOOD: Whoa!

CATHERWOOD: Wow! It is pretty good.

SCHACHER: I know. He was a college athlete too. He was like an all American runner. So, this is not just some average Joe.

PINSKY: By the way, speaking of college athletes, did you know that this was a collegiate swimmer? Sam, UCLA.

SCHACHER: Yes, I was. Thank you.

PINSKY: Trice for the bruins. That is right.

SCHACHER: Thank you. Yes.

(APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: That is right.

SCHACHER: Thank you, Mike. Thank you. I am glad that you are clapping for me.

PINSKY: Danine. Danine?

MANETTE: Well, my story is blowing up on Twitter. And, it is about -- this would have been actually a really great episode of Maury Povich. But

it is about a woman who ended up having twins.

PINSKY: Yes.

MANETTE: And, she went after the father of the twins for child support. But what she found out was that the DNA from the father that she thought it

was only matched one of the babies. So, two fathers, two baby, same uterus, but two different fathers. So, anyway --

PINSKY: This is what cats do. You know what I mean? Right?

MANETTE: Well, she admitted that she had had intercourse with someone else -- with two different people during her ovulation period. And, apparently

that caused two separate eggs to be fertilized.

SCHACHER: Whoa.

PINSKY: So, you basically --

SCHACHER: How common is that?

PINSKY: Extremely rare. But, you release typically one egg, sometimes two. And, you have -- it is usually about three-day window and the only

have one day after it is released to fertilize it.

[21:50:08] So that means -- but the sperm can hang out for three to five days. So, somewhere in that three to five day --

CATHERWOOD: Just like that movie twins with Danny Devito and Arnold Schwarzenegger?

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: They were twins, but they have like a DNA milkshake, that is all from different men.

PINSKY: Right.

CATHERWOOD: And, that is how they get.

PINSKY: How crazy.

MANETTE: Now, this woman was obviously really, really busy in that three- day period.

PINSKY: Yes, yes.

MANETTE: Yes, this is crazy.

SCHACHER: Wow, wow.

CATHERWOOD: Child support is going to be awesome for these kids.

MANETTE: Actually, it is only 28 bucks.

SCHACHER: 28 bucks?

MANETTE: She only got awarded 28 bucks. I guess she is trying to find the father of the other one.

PINSKY: $28?

SCHACHER: 28 bucks. It barely buys you diapers.

MANETTE: $28. Right. So, maybe she will find the other guy and put it together and get what? 56?

PINSKY: So Sam, be nice to Mark. Keep him around.

SCHACHER: Yes. 28 bucks? Jeez.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, it is time for #Dr.Drew`sQs. This is where you ask me any questions, whatever is on your mind. We will get to the

audience. I will get into the Twitter and the Facebook. And, we will see whatever you guys want to ask me that I will make every attempt to answer.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[21:55:22] PINSKY: Hey, welcome back. This is where I answer your questions. Really, I hope for it to be any topic. We use the #Dr.DrewsQs.

Let us go first out to Anita on Twitter, "Do you consider a person who takes Ambien to be not sober? Is it a mood-altering substance?"

It is not mood altering, but it is a close relative of Xanax and Valium and the benzodiazepine classes called hypnotic. If you inadvertently got

hooked up on it, I would not say, you have to talk to your sponsor about whether you broke your sobriety.

You definitely are in danger of a major relapse. Ambien is a highly addictive substance for some individuals. And, again, if you are in

sobriety, if you are in abstinence-based program, Ambien is not something you should not be taking. Let us go to the audience. Yes, ma`am. How

are you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Hi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I want to ask you, does smoking weed confuse a man`s sperm?

PINSKY: Does it confuse his sperm? Like does his sperm get high, and they cannot find their --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: They are too lazy to get through the cervix or something?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes, exactly.

PINSKY: No, it does not actually confuse their sperm, but it actually decreases -- potentially decreases the number of sperm because it lowers

testosterone, raises estrogen. And, so, it might have some effect on fertility. But, for a young male, it is probably not really significant.

There a story here I should know?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No, I was just wondering. We live in California. I was just wondering.

PINSKY: Whoever you are with -- and all the men have lazy sperm. I get it.

(LAUGHING)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Yes.

PINSKY: OK. Thank you for that question. David, is that Twitter? Is that Facebook? This must be a Facebook question -- Tweet. It is a tweet.

"Do you think spirituality is a place in the treatment of mental illness?"

And, I categorically do. That may seem kind of weird coming from a man of science. But I have I noticed that in terms of recovering from maladies of

the mind and the brain, there are things that really assist in -- if you are not using a chemical, if you are not using a medication and you are

looking for sort of ways to assist the growth of this thing up here we call the brain, interpersonal connectedness or really intimacy, hope of some

type, faith of some type, whatever that means to you, and then service.

And by service, I do not necessarily mean ladling soup at a soup kitchen. I mean identifying something, something substantial about that other person

and paying homage to it in a way in a means of service. It may mean doing a lot. It may mean doing something very little.

And, spirituality by the same token, faith, may mean something very elaborate. You may have a whole concept of God that you need to develop

and rely on to feel fulfilled, or it may be just faith that things are going to be OK, that the earth will not spin off its axis.

Back to the audience. That is Mike in the back of my head of the earth spinning off its ass. My audience laughed. What have you got here?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Dr. Drew, the guys that I date and I am attracted to are usually much younger than me. Is that some kind of

addiction that I should be concerned about?

PINSKY: No. But if you remember her question, do not expect it to be something that ends up in monogamy. It is strictly hookup. A lot of

naughty. Young guys not so into relationships necessarily. But, I would not call it an addiction necessarily.

You are freaking me out a little bit by calling it an addiction. So, go out to facebook. Jared, who asks, "My sister was diagnosed with bipolar

disorder, later re-diagnosed with borderline personality. Is this common and what is the difference?"

You guys ask really good questions out there on Facebook. And, the reality is that theoryticians, people that study borderline personality and bipolar

disorder, sometimes believe that they are either related or somehow on a spectrum of the same condition.

So, people with borderline often have very wide fluctuations in mood. Borderline has other features, though, which is sort of a lot of chaos in

their life, a lot of difficulty with intimate connections, a lot of use of something called projective identification where people literally project

their feelings into the other person as a means of regulating their own. I have got to leave that question. That is one we will re-address, no doubt,

again in the future. I have 20 seconds. Yes, ma`am, what is up?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Hi. I was prescribed Xanax recently and I was wondering if there any negative effects to taking it?

PINSKY: Long-term -- the most significant negative effect that some people get is you start to have withdrawal symptoms later. And, so panic and

anxiety may start to escalate. So, you have to take more as you get into that, be very, very careful.

There are very good medicines out there for long-term use. I am sure they are trying to get you on something else in addition to the Xanax. Low dose

Xanax is not have to cause that escalating phenomenon. Thank you for your questions.

Before we go, you may have noticed, I am wearing a turquoise tie. It is in support of national women`s lung health week. Lung cancer kills more

people than any other cancer. We do not do great against solid tumors, but it does not have to be that way.

I want you to visit lungforce.org for more information. And, of course, thank you to my audience. You guys did a great job. Thank you to those of

you viewing us out there at home.

[22:00:00] You can DVR us then watch us anytime. And, of course, we will be live here tomorrow with our audience. See you then.

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