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A Grown Man Spies On An Innocent Teen Neighbor With A Hidden Camera, Is Not Charged With A Sex Crime; An 18-Year-Old Girl Posts Online Video Stating It Is OK If Your Boyfriend Hits You; Taiwan Wants To Lure Tourists With A Garden Full Of Erotic Sculptures. Aired 9-10:00p ET.

Aired April 30, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST: Tonight, a grown man spies on an innocent teen neighbor with a hidden camera but is not charged with a sex crime. Plus, a

super-sized sex bar. That is right. Larger than life erotic statues. You have to see this to believe it. We are going to show it.

But, let us get started with what we call, "Seriously?" A story that is hard to believe unless it were true. An 18-year-old girl posted a video

online. In it, she tells women, "It is OK if your boyfriend hits you because that means he really loves you."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROMINA GARCIA, DEFENDS DOMESIC VIOLENCE: If your boyfriend or the guy that you are with puts his hands on you, like he hits you or beats you up,

or whatever he does, stay with him. That (EXPLECITIVE WORD) loves you; because he is risking for you to press charges on him. He is going to do

time or he is going to have to pay money to get out of jail or whatever the case may be. He is risking all of that for you.

The other day my boyfriend gave me a black eye, and it was my fault. After I realized how stupid I was, how I could have avoided everything, I

got on my knees and I begged him, like, please do not leave me, like I am so sorry for what I did.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Wow! That video has been viewed 5 million times. Joining me to discuss, Sam Schacher from Pop Trigger on Hulu!, Anahita Sedaghatfar,

Attorney; Mark Eiglarsh, attorney from Speaktomark.com. Anahita, I do not know if you are having a kind of a visceral reaction to that video that I

do, but it is the exact opposite of female empowerment.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. Exactly. I mean she is clearly, Dr. Drew, a disturbed individual. I do not think she is the

brightest tool in the shed just by the way she was talking.

PINSKY: I have Romina Garcia on the phone. I will give you a chance to talk with her just a second.

SEDAGHATFAR: Sure.

PINKSKY: But, it is a sad indictment of how some women think. Is it not?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I do not think that many level-headed women think this way. And, Dr. Drew, I am not quite sure if this is just a publicity

stunt or if she actually believes this garbage. But, at the end of the day, she is putting this nonsense out on her social media. She has a bunch

of followers, God knows why.

I do not know why people are interested in her and look up to her. But, at the end of the day, her followers are young, innocent,

impressionable girls. And, I think this is totally irresponsible and dangerous. Even if she does not believe it and it is just a publicity

stunt, so she could be like Kim Kardashian --

PINSKY: But whether it is -- right. Whether it is or is not, Samantha, you deal with the issue on "Pop Trigger" that is often watching

her videos. It is still going to have a potentially a big impact on them, no?

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" SHOW: 100 percent, Dr. Drew. That is what is so infuriating. If somebody like this has the privilege to

influence so many people, so many young impressible young woman as Anahita just said on her social media, and this is the message that she wants to

put out?

And, I am sorry, Dr. Drew. Listen, first of all, I do have empathy that she could be suffering from battered woman syndrome, but she is also

incredibly shallow. She says, "I idolized Kim Kardashian."

And, you would hope that she would say that because Kim Kardashian -- hold on, is an entrepreneur. Maybe she idolizes her because Kim Kardashian

donates to charities. But, no, she says, "I idolized Kim K. because she is super rich. She is super famous and she is pretty. Barf!

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Well, let us give her a chance to defend herself. Romina Garcia is on the phone, and she has these interesting views on domestic

violence. Romina, why did you post this video?

ROMINA GARCIA, DEFENCE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: Because -- hello?

PINSKY: Yes. Welcome to the program. Thank you for joining us. But, why did you post that video?

GARCIA: I posted it because my boyfriend did hit me. That was the way like to cope with it. I did not know how to cope with it like --

PINSKY: We are listening. We are all ears.

GARCIA: I cannot hear you.

PINSKY: We are not really talking. I am just giving you a chance to tell us what that was about, why it happened, why you thought this was a

good idea to give a testimonial that defends people that perpetrate domestic violence.

GARCIA: Because I did not know -- I did not know how to cope with it. Like when my when my boyfriend hit me, I was used to making videos. And, I

was like so confused and I had so many emotions going on, which is no one has like -- punch me in my face before. And, he was the first one to do

it, so I did not know what to do. And, making the video was a way to cope with it.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Samantha, she may not be able to hear you very well. We are having some technical issue. But, Samantha, I will give you a chance to

ask her what you wanted to ask.

SCHACHER: OK. Romina, now that you are seeing things, thank God, from a different perspective, are you going to put out a video to all of

your followers. And, let them know the mindset that you were in and that you in fact do not condone domestic violence?

GARCIA: Well, I know that it is my boyfriend -- my ex-boyfriend were to ask me to go back to him and -- I would, like I would go back to him.

So, I really do not know if that would be like being hypocritical.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATORNEY: True.

GARCIA: It would be me being hypocritical because I am telling them that I do not believe in it, but I am going back to my ex-boyfriend.

PINSKY: Mark, I will you a chance to ask a question. I feel bad for Romina. She really clearly needs some guidance and help. But, go ahead,

Mark.

EIGLARSH: She has not learned a thing. So, here is my question, Romina. Your logic, if I follow you correctly, and all the young women who

are listening to this, follow her logic here. If her boy, her man hits her, he loves her because he is risking jail. So, by that same logic, if

he slams your skull with a hammer and he is risking prison time, does he love you more?

PINSKY: Romina, you get that? So, the more violent he becomes, the more he is risking, the more he must love you by your logic.

GARCIA: Well, I was not thinking like that. I am not thinking like that.

PINSKY: OK. That is fine. Anahita.

SEDAGHATFAR: I just want to know --

EIGLARSH: Well, that is what your words are saying, darling.

PINSKY: But, she is saying she changed her point of view. I want to give her a chance to change -- I mean that is what we are hoping.

EIGLARSH: No, but she has not.

PINSKY: No, she has. She is not all the way home, though. But, go ahead, Anahita.

SEDAGHATFAR: I am just wondering. Where did you learn to use the "N" word like that and think it is acceptable to use that? You were constantly

dropping the "N" bomb almost in every sentence. Where did you learn that that was acceptable and OK?

GARCIA: Well, I use it around my friends, and me and my friends speak like that. So, I think it is OK.

SEDAGHATFAR: You think it is OK to use the "N" word?

GARCIA: That is hypolinguage. It just comes out. Yes, I do.

SEDAGHATFAR: I think a lot of people would be offended, actually, at the use of that word so flagrantly.

PINSKY: Anahita, that is a whole another topic. I want to stay focused on the domestic violence thing if we can, because I am fearful --

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I am not buying it. I am not buying it.

PINSKY: You think this was all publicity?

SEDAGHATFAR: I think this is a publicity stunt and you know she has made it clear that she wants to be like Kim Kardashian. And, I think this

is the shock value she is looking for. And, shame on the media. Shame on us for giving her this platform.

PINSKY: Romina, what about people who -- go ahead.

GARCIA: I did not have to make a sex tape like she did to become famous. Like I got publicity from a sports video that I made six months

ago. So, no, I am not trying to make myself look like Kim Kardashian. She is my idol, like I love her, but no I did not have to (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

or make a sex tape like she did to become famous.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: I get it.

SCHACHER: Romina -- can I ask one more question, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: OK, Romina, think of it from this standpoint. So, if you have any sisters, if you one day had a daughter, do not you think it is

irresponsible to put out those messages saying that, "Stay with your boyfriend if he beats you." "If he beats you, he loves you?" Do you see

how irresponsible that is, hopefully?

GARCIA: Yes, I do. Like I see where you, guys, are coming from.

PINSKY: Well, Romina, I got to go to break. I am glad you see where we are coming from. But, here is what I bet. Dads that are watching --

EIGLARSHL No, she does not.

PINSKY: No. Yes -- Listen. Listen. She is getting -- Mark, if people are --

EIGLARSH: I disagree with you.

PINSKY: But, Mark, if people that are victims -- Hang on. People that are victims of domestic violence could magically change their point of

view by just having a brief conversation, my work would be very easy. We would not need domestic violence centers because we would just have to

convince him of their thinking --

EIGLARSH: My words here are irresponsible.

PINSKY: They are irresponsible, but we are going to try to address something. And, my first issue at hand is -- my bet is her dad was not in

the picture. And, if he was, it was not a great relationship with her. And, dads watching, pay attention to this.

We have a massive impact on young daughters. I will ask her that question when we get back. We are bringing in the behavior bureau. And,

later -- I am not even going to talk about this because I am deep into Romina. So, we will get back to that after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GARCIA: The other day, my boyfriend gave me a black eye. It was my fault. After I realized how stupid I was, how I could have avoided

everything, I got on my knees and I begged him like please do not leave me. Like I am so sorry for what I did. Like you gave me an order and I did not

follow it. And, now I know not to disrespect him, not to talk back if he gives me an order, to follow it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSK: That is an 18-year-old Romina Garcia telling her 170,000 Facebook followers that if your boyfriend hits you, it means he really

loves you. And, she is on the phone with us. She is going to join our behavioral bureau including Danine Manette, criminal investigator, author

of "Ultimate Betrayal," Emily Roberts, psychotherapist and Karamo Brown, social worker.

Romina, before I go to you, I want to -- Well, I will go to you first, Romina. I was going to ask the question about your dad. What is the

status with your dad as you were growing up?

GARCIA: He was not really there for me most of the time.

PINSKY: Shocking. So he was gone. When he was around, was he a difficult guy?

GARCIA: Yes.

PINSKY: All right. Emily, you and I deal with these young women all the time. People think that this is so extraordinary. In our lives, I do

not know about you, but I see this kind of thing a lot. The dads often the central issue in this. What do you see?

EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Dads or maybe invalidating environment. It does not have to be a dad, but having two parents or

really loving parent who can be there and support her or support someone in her position is very important.

If you have an invalidating environment, you are more likely to have some of these behaviors she is showing. Some of these behaviors include

impulsivity, and being unable to regulate emotions.

PINSKY: Well and then choosing or re-enacting the traumas of the past, which is -- This is how this happens, young people, Karamo. I think

you must see this as a social worker too is when they having a really traumatic terrorizing unpleasant experience, we are -- the way our brain is

wired, we wall off the explicit memory,.

And, our body remembers the memory such that we keep living that memory over and over in the moment. And, we keep picking the people and

places and behaviors that were a part of that original trauma.

KARAMO BROWN, SOCIAL WORKER: Completely, Dr. Drew. It is a cycle that she is going through. And, I have a question for Romina, if you do

not mind me asking.

PINSKY: Please, go ahead.

BROWN: Romina, do you love yourself? And, I say this not in the sense of do you love yourself in the selfies and the likes that you get.

But, I want to know do you really love yourself?

GARCIA: Yes, I do.

BROWN: Because I hear you say you love yourself, but I would just want to encourage you because I believe you and I empathize for you. But I

want to let you know that the gratification you are getting from people liking this, that is not a love that is going to fill you up and help you

to get through this traumatic moment.

And, I know that you are in a place right now that you might go back. I am praying for you because you are such a bright -- you have such a

bright future ahead of you. And, I hope that one day you can truly look in the mirror and see the beautiful young lady that the rest of us see. And,

once you do, you will know that you do not deserve behavior like this.

PINSKY: Danine, I want to show you a picture that Romina posted on her Facebook page with the caption "This Is Me Right Now, but it is OK. My

man still loves me and has my back. I just have to act right." There she is. I guess it is a Barbie doll, right? With a black eye, which is a

representative, Danine, of what she received.

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: I am not buying this story, Dr. Drew --

PINSKY: So, you are in the Anahita camp.

MANETTE: Not even close.

PINSKY: OK. All right.

MANETTE: For the last 25 years, I have dealt with, interviewed and worked with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of domestic violence

survivors and domestic violence victims.

And, no matter how badly they feel about themselves or how low their self-esteem is or how much they feel that they deserve this treatment, not

one single one has ever advocated that this is an OK thing or feels good about being hit. And, none of them have ever said that it was OK for

anyone else to be treated this way.

PINSKY: All right.

MANETTE: The fact that this girl is sitting up here saying that she is OK with this and then she advocating it for someone else, I do not buy

it.

PINSKY: All right. Hold on. And, by the way, Danine, it is a new thing, though , when people right after a traumatic event, it can take to a

video. I see them days or weeks later, usually. But, go ahead, Emily, your point.

ROBERTS: She is a girl. She is still a teenage girl. We are forgetting just because she is 18 legally does not mean she can make great

decisions. And, no offense to her. First of all, she has great followers -- I mean not great followers but a ton of followers.

So, she is doing something right. I do not think this is an attention seeking in that regard, but she is still a teenager. We are treating her

like she is an adult. This might be the first or the second time she has been in a relationship like this.

PINSKY: Karamo.

BROWN: Yes. And, we have to also realize that this generation, this is the way that they express their selves. So, to add on to your point, I

do have to believe her, because this generation, when they go through abuse, when they go through traumatic experiences, their first line of

response is to turn to social media and to get instant gratification or validation and that is what she is doing.

PINSKY: And -- and, Romina, you are saying now you do not feel this way. You felt that way for a short period of time. And, that is what went

down in the video. But you know -- Tell us how you feel now?

GARCIA: I do not tell my followers to like look up to me. Like I do not understand why they care -- I mean, I do care about my followers. But,

I am not forcing them to follow my actions. Like that is how I think and that is how I feel --

MANETTE: But, that is what you said.

PINSKY: Danine.

MANETTE: You said you should do this. You went in your video, you said, you should do this. If your man does this, you should love him. You

should go back to him. You are telling them this, and it is garbage. And, I want to know where your mother is because I see you have braces, so

somebody is paying for your teeth. So, I want to know where your mother is, because she needs to get on the phone, so we could talk to her about

this garbage, she is allowing you to put on her internet and on her -- I like you to put her on the line.

GARCIA: OK, but I am 18. I am 18.

MANETTE: It does not matter.

GARCIA: I can do whatever I want. I am 18.

MANETTE: Somebody is paying for the internet. It is not you.

BROWN: But, I can almost be sure --

GARCIA: I am not asking anybody to follow me.

BROWN: I can also be sure that whatever experience she --

ROBERTS: But, you are putting yourself out there --

PINSKY: Wait, wait. Karamo. Karamo.

ROBERTS: You are putting yourself out there and people are following you.

MANETTE: Right.

PINSKY: Karamo.

BROWN: I can be sure that whatever experience she is going through that her mother is actually probably going through a similar experiences.

The cycle of abuse and the trauma that she is probably experiencing, someone else --

PINSKY: What is that? What is that? Romina, has your mom been the object of domestic violence ever?

GARCIA: I would rather not speak on my parents.

PINSKY: OK. Reasonably so. Reasonably so. But, I will -- you know, Karamo, draw the conclusion you will from that. And, as you know, you

know, as we always say, Danine, I do not know if you agree with my sort of aphorism on this.

But, kids that are exposed to domestic violence in childhood, the girls become warriors and act in. The boys become warriors and act out and

they find each other. And, you get a full cycle of more domestic violence. I will show --

MANETTE: I agree with that. But, I also know that this is a voyeuristic generation. And, everybody is -- you are important by how many

likes and how many followers you have.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes. Listen.

MANETTE: And, there is a lot of attention seeking stuff that goes on with these kid.

PINSKY: Here is another video that was posted by Romina on Facebook. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GARCIA: If your boyfriend cheats on you, but he lets you know that he cheated, there is no reason to why you should trip. Like it is OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Listen -- yes.

MANETTE: You do not want anybody to follow you but you are giving an advice like that. Whatever.

PINSKY: All right. Romina -

ROBERTS: Have you been to counseling? Have you thought about counseling, Romina?

GARCIA: No --

ROBERTS: Have you thought of talking to somebody about this.

GARCIA: No, because I do not need it. I do not need help. I do not need to go to see a psychiatrist.

ROBERTS: But you might --

PINSKY: Well, Romina, I got to tell you --

ROBERTS: You might need to talk to someone.

PINSKY: Yes. This does not stop, guys. As you well know, we can get as frustrated as we want. We can try to educate her every possible way.

But, what I think, and I am pretty clear on this is that you need a safe environment. This relationship -- I believe, Romina, the relationship with

that boy is over, is that correct?

GARCIA: Yes. Right. I broke up with him.

PINSKY: Thank God. So, you had -- But, please, the way things tend to work is you will seek out a similar -- even with conscious intent to

avoid that kind of person, you will end up with that kind of person again, which is how the cycle perpetuates itself until you learn how to form a

close relationship with somebody, as Karamo was eluding to where you can change how and whom you attract and what you are attracted to. Because now

your attractions will bring you back into problematic situations.

We are going to continue this conversation. Later, a hidden camera in a teen`s bedroom and the grown man who put it there. He does not get

charged with a sex crime. Back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GARCIA: If your boyfriend or the guy that you are with puts his hands on you like he hits you or beats you up or whatever he does, stay with him.

That (EXPLECITIVE WORD) loves you. The fact that he put his hands on me means a lot to me because that shows me that he cares.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Anahita and Mark. We are talking to an 18- year-old, who says it is OK for a man to hit his girlfriend, because the more aggressive, the more violent, the more he must love you.

And, we want to also make a note, and apologize for some of the language that our guest slipped through in the previous block. Anahita,

she had a tendency to use words, not just the "N" words, but more other difficult language that was sort of extraordinary.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right. I saw that. So, that does lead me to question whether or not she does need help. Because even if this is a publicity

stunt, for her to still be able to do something like this and think it is OK and spread this garbage out to her followers, I think certainly has a

problem.

PINSKY: And, Samantha, again, you deal with these young kids. I see a 17, 18-year-old like that, I just get upset. I love Danine`s question

like, where is mom? I am going to kick her butt.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: I know the dad`s role in all this. I see it all the time. And, how about the rest of us? Why cannot we contain this?

SCHACHER: Yes. You know what, Dr. Drew? This is infuriating, because our -- In the digital era, certain people, whether celebrities or

whether it is somebody that has just a big following like she does, they really do have so much influence. And, that is why I am conflicted because

I have a lot of empathy for somebody that clearly is a victim, whether she sees herself as a victim or not.

But, then I am really pissed off as Anahita just said that she is spreading this garbage to all of her impressionable followers. I looked on

her page. Some of these followers, their profile pictures, Dr. Drew, they are 12, 13 years old. What are they supposed to think?

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. Right.

PINSKY: Yes. Mark, what do they suppose to think? This is the brave new world.

EIGLARSH: Listen. I am not being soft on this girl at all. Because regardless of her motives, let us understand the severity. 1.3 million

women each year will be physically assaulted by an intimate partner.

One in four will have an act of domestic violence committed against them in their lifetime. Most do not ever report. And, it is because of

people like her perpetuating this type of garbage that the problem will persist. I am not happy with it, Drew, at all.

PINSKY: Listen, but Mark -- I know vividly where this comes from. It is intergenerational. It is the family of origin. It is the dad. It is

what the mom was subjected to. It is what men --

EIGLARSH: You are coddling her.

PINSKY: I am not coddling.

EIGLARSH: Drew.

PINSKY: I am just explaining.

EIGLARSH: Drew. You are making her -- you are. You are making her feel comfortable. No. She is hearing you and she feels comfortable. She

needs to be called out on it, whether it is for publicity or whether it is because she really believes this crap. She is doing a disservice to your

audience. She is doing a disservice to all people out there. And, I just would not coddle her if I were you.

PINSKY: Now, I want to play this NFL ad. This is going to be running through the super Bowl. They are going to -- they are putting a very

special effort in combating domestic violence for obvious reasons. And, again, I commend them for doing so. I am glad we are having this

conversation. Have a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(PHONE RINGING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISPATCHER: 911, operator. Where is the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CALLER: 127 Bernice --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISPATCHER: OK. What is going on?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CALLER: I would like to order a pizza for delivery.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISPATCHER: Ma`am, you have reached 911. This is an emergency line.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CALLER: Yes. Large with half pepperoni, half mushroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISPATCHER: You know, you called 911. This is an emergency line.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CALLER: Do you know how long it will be?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISPATCHER: OK. Ma`am, is everything OK over there? Do you have an emergency or not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISPATCHER: And, you are unable to talk because --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Right, right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISPATCHER: Is someone in the room with you? Just say yes or no.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFEID MALE DISPATCHER: OK. It looks like I have an officer down a mile from your location. Are there any weapons in the house?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISPATCHER: Can you stay on phone with me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: No. Thank you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: There it is, guys. That is domestic violence. And, that is where it goes. It is where it goes. It goes from 17, 18-year-old kids

pushing each other around to that. Anahita, I am sure you see it out there when you defend a woman.

SEDAGHATFAR: I do. Yes. That commercial just gave me chills, Dr. Drew. But, I am wondering -- we are talking about this young girl`s

family. Where are her family, her friends, her parents, not that she has come out with this alleged allegation --

PINSKY: Well, that is how you know -- that is how you know there are all kinds of stuff going on there too. There has to be.

SEDAGHATFAR: But, why are not friends turning him in? I mean do not her friends know who this boyfriend is. How come his parents have not

stepped in? It is suspect to me. I do not know, Dr. Drew

PINSKY: All right. So, Samantha, Anahita and Danine are going still towards the direction that this is all of a publicity stunt. All the

attention getting that young people go after that she is taking something, blowing it out of proportion, making something that just says, "Hey look at

me." It is almost -- to me, if that is true, that is the limits of free speech. That is yelling fire in a crowded theater. It really is.

SEDAGHATFAR: I agree.

PINSKY: Because it will have profound effects on her viewers.

SCHACHER: I hope too, God, this is not a publicity stunt, Dr. Drew. How, horrific, people will do anything to get fame. But, then again, her

idol is Kim Kardashian. Again, she lists the reason why Kim is her idol is because of the fact that Kim is famous, not for any other reason. But, you

know what, Dr. Drew?

At the end of the day, I do see some holes. I mean at first I was like, "OK, this is somebody who clearly is using her message as a way to

make herself normalize kind of what happened in her life. But, she did say to you that she has this new perspective and she broke up with this guy.

But, then in the same sentence she said, but if the guy wanted to get back together with her, she would in a heartbeat. So, which is it?

PINSKY: Mark, I will give you last thought here.

EIGLARSH: It is a sad state regardless of whether this is true or not. This is an example of someone bringing love in from the outside, what

everybody thinks about her is important, instead of bringing it in from the inside. And, I think it has to do with her childhood.

PINSKY: Of course, it does.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes.

PINSKY And, listen. What I think is of course -- I see this all the time. I talk to it every night on the radio. I have been talking to these

kids for years. The new layer is our suspect -- our question about the veracity of the reports because of the overwhelming tendency for young

people to be fame seeing and to be attention seeking. I has added a new layer to this.

But, I will tell you what, if this is not true, if this is fabricated, to me it is the limits of free speech, because it is a very similar

phenomenon to yelling fire in a crowded theater. She has yelled out a command to thousands of young kids that are going to be persuaded by how

she is thinking, not all teens, but kids that have been subjected to questionable systems in their families, who have seen domestic violence who

are at risk. Those are the ones that are going to be most profoundly affected by all this.

Speaking of kids being affected by adults, this man was arrested. He spied on his teen neighbor with a hidden camera. And, boy, that is just

the beginning. And, later, a public park that has -- well, the pictures have to be seen to be believed. We will show more of it to you when we get

back.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: A shocking invasion of privacy. A teenage girl secretly videotaped by a middle-aged man, a family friend. It

starts when she is 13 and goes on for four years. He catches her in various states of undress until her parents discovered the hidden bedroom

camera.

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MADISON REED, TEENAGER WHO HAD SECRETLY BEEN FILMED BY A FAMILY FRIEND IN HER BEDROOM: It was definitely the worst day of my life.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: The nightmare is not over for Madison Reed, now 18. The peeping Tom is not being charged with a sex crime.

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REED: I do not know why it is not child pornography. I was underage at the time.

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PINSKY: Time for "WTF." It is the most shocking story of the night, dominating social media. Back with Sam, Anahita and Mark. Madison Reed

has spoken about her ordeal. This is from kgw.com.

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MADISON REED: Every time I go into my room, I have to look to where my parents found the camera just, you know, to make sure it is not there.

And, then every time I am like in the shower, "Oh, my God, he could be watching me right now."

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PINSKY: Sam, tell me more about this. It is not a sex crime. It is one of the creepiest stories I have ever heard.

SCHACHER: Oh my God, this guy is a disgusting POS pig. I could go on and on and on. OK. So, I do have some additional details from the

Washington County Sheriff`s office, Dr. Drew.

In 2010, Bradley McCollum, now 48, he set up a camera in his beach house. And, then he would invite this family to come visit. Then last

year, he added a second camera. This time in Madison`s bedroom, Dr. Drew, in her home.

And, he did plead guilty to burglary and invasion of privacy and will likely serve -- Oh, get this, no more than two years, because that is the

law in Oregon. And, lastly -- Great! He has a wife and kids.

PINSKY: Oh, my God. Listen to what the parents have to say of the girl who was the victim. This is on Kgw.com

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CLARK REED, MADISON`S FATHER: We were stunned. My wife and I had no idea that the laws were so casual about this kind of thing. I mean, again,

to see a naked minor, why are not there laws?

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PINSKY: Yes. Mark, I am a big states right advocate. But, I just happen to think about how would someone from another country look at this

like, "Oh, oh, there is a corner -- You can take pictures of minors. It is not a sex crime." Oh, OK. OK." What is going on, Oregon. What is the

matter there?

EIGLARSH: Well, first of all, I am outraged by it too. This is an example of where the law has not caught up with technology. Now, we have

smaller cameras. And, without question, this is going to be the case in that state that will change the law and join the other 30 states in the

union that make it a felony, which is exactly what it should be.

PINSKY: Anahita, 30 -- only 30? What about the -- only 30? I cannot get my head around that.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. I was shocked at that, too, Dr. Drew. And, I agree with Mark, this is another example of where the law just cannot catch

up fast enough with technology. And, I have seen cameras that look like pens or little tubes of lipstick. So, I think with the increasing

technology, there are going to be more and more cases like this.

PINSKY: What can the family do? There is no double jeopardy around this, right? Once they have decided, that is it. They cannot change law

and then go after this guy.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

EIGLARSH: That is right.

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, what they are going to do probably, I predict, is they are going to file a civil lawsuit against him. And, they are going to

try to seek monetary damages. And, they should get a lot of money from this guy to at least pay for the therapy that this poor girl is going to

need. She is so traumatized because of that.

PINSKY: I am traumatized hearing the story, Sam.

SCHACHER: Yes. And, why -- you, guys, Mark, Anahita, why is he not going to be on the sex offender list? Why would he not be, because it is

not a felony?

EIGLARSH: Because he did not break a sex offender law.

SCHACHER: There is no way --

SEDAGHATFAR: It is not considered a sex offense in that state.

SCHACHER: Even though he has hours of footage of her naked? Hours of footage of this young girl naked in her room.

PINSKY: Police -- listen --

SEDAGHATFAR: That is an outrage. That is why the lawmakers are moving actually moving to change that.

PINSKY: We need like a social media for legislators or something. Something that moves faster. #changethedamnlaw. Police say they also

found another videos taken by this 48-year-old guy of another teenager. She is a receptionist at a workplace. The parts of her body he was aiming

at, it is apparent what he was up to. And, he was not charged for that, Anahita. Why not?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, apparently, they did not think there was enough evidence to move forward with the charges. I mean I really do not know

why. But, clearly, the law needs to change.

EIGLARSH: Drew.

SEDAGHATFAR: This is no different than if somebody took a picture of a naked girl secretly and then went in -- you know, disseminated that

picture. That is a sex crime. That is a felony. In my mind, this is no different. And, that is why the law needs to change in Oregon.

PINSKY: Mark?

EIGLARSH: I have no reason to believe that these prosecutors did not do everything they possibly could. The law tied their hands. I think that

this will be that case. The family has already vowed to make changes. This will be that case that for future victims, God forbid who go through

this, they will see greater sanctions as necessary.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, we will hear more from the teenager`s father. I can imagine how that poor guy feels. Please do check us out on

Instagram @Drdrewhln. You will see no such garbage there. Back after this.

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MADISON REED: It was the worst day of my life. I do not know why it is not child pornography. I was underage at the time. It is disgusting.

I do not like to think about it. But, I think about it all the time, like, all day.

We live on a dead end. So, every time we want to go out in public, we have to drive by their house. It does not make sense at all, because I do

not know why it is not child pornography. I was underage at the time. And, the intent of what he did was so obvious.

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PINSKY: Back with Danine, Karamo and Heather McDonald, Comedian, co- host of "All About Sex." It is Saturday night on TLC. And, we are discussing that teenage girl who discovered her middle-aged family friend,

so-called, had been secretly taping her for four years. Madison Reed spoke to KGW.com.

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MADISON REED: I do not like to think about it, but I think about it all the time, like all day -- Every day. There is no choice but to think

about it.

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PINSKY: Karamo, I have so many questions. But, I guess one would be the people that are asking is what makes somebody who does this kind of

thing imagine they will get away with it?

BROWN: Well, for me, when I read this, what I originally thought was that what makes someone feel this way that they are going to get away with

this is that part of it is that we live our lives in this sort of open way. We are on social media. We are sharing every bit of our lives.

And, that sort of invites the stalkers to say, "Hey, you are putting everything out there. You are letting me know what you are doing in the

breakfast, middle of the day, afternoon, nighttime. And, so, why should not I have more access to your life?"

PINSKY: Wow.

BROWN: It is where we need to start checking our behavior, because we need to stop inviting this in.

PINSKY: Heather, what do you think about this? I got completely creeped out by this one.

HEATHER MCDONALD, COMEDIAN/CO-HOST OF "ALL ABOUT SEX": I mean I think it is so terrible. When anybody is a victim of a crime, maybe you have

been mugged or something happened in the parking lot, you are always scared when you go into a parking lot.

But here, she is going to be looking around forever when she goes to college, she is going to wondering, did someone stick a camera in my, you

know, college dorm? I mean she is always going to be feeling like not safe from her own surroundings because she has been so violated for four years.

PINSKY: And, that is the word, Danine. That is the violation. Maybe someone who has not been through something like this cannot really

appreciate, but it is sort of a post-traumatic stress that stays with you. There is no way to resolve it, because it is so unbelievable that this guy

was able to pull this off. Maybe somebody else could.

MANETTE: This is horrible. And, I do not think that the prosecutors honestly worked hard enough to come up with charges in this case. Because

if he was streaming it, then he was constantly looking at it and that is something that they could charge him for.

Just because it is not just a one-time or two-time violation of privacy, but it is a long-term violation of privacy. If he was recording

it, then that is possession of child pornography. And, I do not understand why he is not being charged with child pornography. Possession of child

pornography.

PINSKY: Now, Madison`s family tape-closed her windows now. And, as you can see, I will show you a picture here from KGW.com. They had to make

her room into this -- some sort of environment, which -- she had to feel safe by sealing off her room.

And, you can see just with her body language that she feels like I am not safe in my own body. Karamo, I hope this lady is getting some help.

We heard her speaking earlier. She seems pretty good. But, this is not something you just walk away from.

BROWN: Not at all. And, I really do hope she is getting help. But, I do think her parents are doing a major disservice by taping up her walls

and putting her in more fear. What they need to be doing is reassuring her that if she gets help, if she takes the proper precautions that she can

protect herself. By locking herself in a cage, it is going to lock herself in a bear cage--

PINSKY: Danine says no. Danine says, let her do whatever she needs to do, right?

MANETTE: Yes. And, you know, the thing about protecting -- being able to protect yourself, this is a new world and, as you know, as I have

alluded to earlier with your producer, there are cameras hidden everywhere these days.

I mean whether you are in a hotel room, whether in a public dressing room, whether in a public bathroom, cameras are in smoke detectors.

Cameras are in pens. Cameras are in light fixtures and outlets.

They are all over the place. So, whatever she needs to do to feel safe in her home, great. But, people need to recognize the laws need to

change, and people need to be held accountable for this horrible behavior.

PINSKY: Hold on, I got something more from Madison`s father from KGW.com. This is about the family`s so-called friend. Take a look.

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CLARK REED: We were looking for every excuse to think it was someone else until we had proof. And, yes, our world is upside down.

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PINSKY: Heather, can you imagine some guy you knew, your neighbor or something and all of a sudden you find he is taking -- you have two boys,

right? And, that is it, but somebody is taking pictures, somebody whom who you felt like was a friend.

MCDONALD: Yes. I mean it is just such a violation. And, you know, it is so terrible to feel that in your own home, you know? Sometimes

people feel weird if they are not behind gates because someone can walk up on their door and knock on their door. But, this person actually got

themselves inside of your house for years.

PINSKY: Well, inside of your life, inside of your family, inside your heart, really. And, then to violate that, Karamo, is sort of tearing your

heart out.

BROWN: Completely. Can I tell you, when first saw this -- if I can be frank. I was really pissed off at the father, because when I have a

house party, if anyone is coming over my house, no one goes into my children`s room at all. And, so, I do not understand how this father just

allowed someone to go in his little girl`s room.

PINSKY: Well --

BROWN: This father is there to protect his daughter.

PINSKY: Hang on. This is usually Danine`s role. But, Danine, even you -- we cannot create another victim out of this. Please. We have one

victim. That is enough. Right?

MANETTE: Look. He is so glad he did not live next door to me. I am telling you right now, he would have never made it to the police car. I

guarantee you. Between my husband and I, this guy would have been a history.

PINSKY: All right, next up, we are changing gears. We are talking about a statue park that features some provocative, larger than life body

parts. Some call it art. I do not know what we are going to call it.

Later -- and by the way, if you would like more HLN and need more of this, take us live with you wherever you go. Get your HLN To Go app. It

is available for Apple and Android devices. We are back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Would you visit a theme park all about sex? Taiwan wants to lure tourists with a garden full of erotic

sculptures. Leaders think 100,000 square feet of sexy statue and make talking about sex less taboo.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Mark, Heather. We need to warn you, we are getting into some adult content and images here. It is a story you are

tweeting about most tonight, a sex theme park being proposed in Taiwan. We are talking about sex is taboo. But, Sam, I believe there are at least two

more parks already in existence. Right?

SCHACHER: Yes. OK. This one is just an idea. But, you are right, there is a similar themed sex park in South Korea as well as in Norway.

And, as far as this Taiwan Sex Park, Dr. Drew, it will be just one part of a much bigger, larger attraction that also includes a, quote, "Dating

Paradise," whatever that is, and venders to help plan your wedding. Now, as we just heard, the park will include erotic art and statues to help

educate young couples as well as try to create conversation with more experienced couples.

PINSKY: Sam, there is a tweet next to your head there. Is not that just Vegas? In the U.S., we have one of those. It is Las Vegas.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Heather, what do you think about this?

MCDONALD: I think it is kind of fun. I mean providing kids cannot wander into it after their middle school classes, I think it is kind of

great, like how fun that you kind of walk in nature and see all this stuff and then there is a hotel. And, as long as it is strictly for adults, I

think it is kind of cool and -- good for them. You know?

PINSKY: I do not know. We need a statue park with a bunch of body parts?

MCDONALD: I think as long as it is like private and you have to be of a certain age to enter and you really cannot get into it, otherwise --

PINSKY: What do you mean into it? What do you mean into it?

MCDONALD: Like enter it. Like I do not think --

PINSKY: It should not be an anatomy lessons, is that what you were saying?

MCDONALD: Yes. I do not think kids should be able to go and climb on top of it and see it.

PINSKY: All right.

MCDONALD: But, if it is all strictly for adults and it is off by itself, like any other -- like sexual resort, like hedonism -- then I think

it is fine. It can be --

PINSKY: All right. So, Mark, I get it. Heather goes to Jamaica once a year.

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SCHACHER: Yes, Heather.

MCDONALD: No, I do not.

EIGLARSH: Good for her.

MCDONALD: I do not want to go --

EIGLARSH: Good for her.

MCDONALD: -- but I think why not?

PINSKY: Mark.

MCDONALD: For other people.

EIGLARSH: Drew, Drew, if they built one here in Miami, I would help promote it pro bono.

SCHACHER: What?

EIGLARSH: I think sex is wonderful.

PINSKY: Yes?

EIGLARSH: And, for those prudes out there who are so concerned that going to a place like this may make people tingly and that it will increase

their sexual appetite, that is wonderful.

Studies show it decreases people`s risk of heart attack. It makes them sleep better, tension and stress goes down, it helps people`s immune

system. By the way, it feels so good.

SCHACHER: Oh, wow.

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PINSKY: -- I cannot even think up so much to that, I cannot even tell you.

EIGLARSH: Yes.

PINSKY: But, I certainly prefer the statues to the hedonism meetings that Heather advocates --

MCDONALD: I am not saying to go --

PINSKY: You are not going to get STDs from these statues.

MCDONALD: No. Exactly.

PINSKY: In fact, maybe we can educate about that.

MCDONALD: But, I was saying -- I am just saying as long as it is adult only, then I think it is kind of a cool different thing.

PINSKY: Wait until your sons are 18, you may feel differently about it.

MCDONALD: Well, I am just saying, you can get a nice walk and some fresh air while getting a little horny.

SCHACHER: Oh, my gosh.

PINSKY: Samantha.

SCHACHER: I do not know. OK. I like the idea that it is sex positive. I do. And, that they will provide education to people who may -

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PINSKY: And they offer childcare and play areas for minors.

SCHACHER: What?

MCDONALD: No, they do not.

SCHACHER: That is weird. If they offer childcare, leave your kids at home, please.

EIGLARSH: Stop it.

SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, I do not know. When I was reading the reports on this, apparently, they want to have a bunch of penis statues. I

do not need to see any more penises. I am sorry. I am OK.

PINSKY: They have those. Are the producers going to show those? They are in there.

SCHACHER: I am good. I would rather -- there it is.

PINSKY: OK, Sam. There it is. Warning, warning, warning. OK. Everybody, turn your T.V. off if you have to.

SCHACHER: Look at it. I mean that is great. That is funny, but I would rather go to Disneyland. And, there is enough sexual innuendoes at

Disney, anyways.

PINSKY: Again, I found --

MCDONALD: Well, you do not want to get measles, though .

(LAUGHING)

SCHACHER: That is true.

MCDONALD: Here you might just get crabs, but there you could get measles.

PINSKY: I have found myself speechless more than a couple of times tonight. That is all I am saying. Mark, please help me take this home. I

got to understand it is sex positive. You are good for it. I understand, but --

MCDONALD: Good for it.

PINSKY: I am just saying. In the day of pornography, all this stuff raining down on us, we really need statue parks for this?

EIGLARSH: Yes.

PINSKY: OK. Yes.

EIGLARSH: If somehow people will go to it, it will help support jobs. And, it makes people tingly and in love. It is all good, my friend.

PINSKY: All right, everybody, you can DVR us then watch us any time. Thank you, panel. "Forensic Files" is up next and it starts immediately.

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