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Police Have "Several Lead" In Manhunt; Monster Cyclone Kills Six In Vanuatu; Iraqi Forces Edge Toward Victory In Key City; Major Doubts On Drunk Crash Claims; Commenting DOJ Report on Ferguson Police Practices; Miraculous Survival of Baby Lily; Defense Tactics for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
Aired March 14, 2015 - 06:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Ahead on NEW DAY, the widening manhunt for whoever shot two cops in Ferguson as the mayor digs in saying he is not stepping down.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Unbelievable destruction, relief workers describe what is left after Tropical Cyclone Pam turns deadly, smashing islands in the south pacific. Plus this --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on guys. Come on guys.
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PAUL: Rescuing baby lily. Not only will you get to watch this incredible rescue unfold, but there is a mystery here, rescuers telling a bizarre story of hearing cries for help, but where do they come from.
BLACKWELL: Good morning. I am Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you.
PAUL: And I'm Christi Paul. So glad to start the morning with you and we want to talk about the latest on this manhunt out of Ferguson, Missouri, this hour.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have an officer down, officer down. Shots fired at their station.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All cars in route to officer down, officer down.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Personnel all in route for an officer down.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shots fired. Officer down.
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BLACKWELL: An intense manhunt right now under way in Ferguson for the suspect or suspects who shot two police officers. Police are considering increasing the current $10,000 reward. It's been more than two days since those two officers were shot and wounded at a protest outside the Ferguson Police Department.
Investigators say they have several leads, but no major breaks just yet, and when it comes to the details behind this case, officials seemed to making a subtle change in describing whether this was, in fact, an ambush.
Listen to what the St. Louis County Police Chief John Belmar had to say about this on Thursday compared to what he said last night.
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CHIEF JOHN BELMAR, ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE: This is really an ambush is what it is. You can't see that it's coming. You don't understand that it's going to happen. You're basically defenseless from the fact that it's happening to you at the time.
That's something that is very difficult to guard against when you have a group of officers standing in a large group and then, you know, you have gun fire directed at them.
It was a tragedy either way because it undermines everything that everybody is trying to do in this. It really does. Now I won't walk away from the fact that it is not beyond the realm of possibility that having all those officers standing there together and the fact that two of these were hit, that these officers were not targeted.
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BLACKWELL: All right, so maybe a discrepancy there. Let's go now to CNN's Ryan Young. He is live in Ferguson. Tell us what's the latest now on this manhunt, Ryan?
RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Victor, you know, that's a small component of this entire case. Everyone is focused on finding whoever these people are, who fired the shots toward the officers. You talked about that reward, it's rising getting close to $10,000 and maybe being pushed even more.
But what the police officers are focused on is the idea of people continuing to give tips so that they can develop these suspects even more. Now we know people were talking. The community has seemed to slow down in terms of all the angst outside the building right behind me.
But they still want to find the two people that they sort of identify, but not given us any extra details about so they can move forward with this case.
BLACKWELL: All right, so let's talk about Mayor Knowles, the mayor of Ferguson. What is the city saying about him? He says that he is staying put. What are people who lived there saying?
YOUNG: Well, he is saying that, and looked we have watched this kind of evolve over the last 24 to 48 hours. When you're here the focus was on the Ferguson Police Department and then the chief stepped down. People wondered if the mayor would be next.
There are some people who are calling for action because obviously he was here when all the unrest happened earlier, but he believes -- he has been voted in and in fact, he talked to our Sara Sidner recently about the fact that he is staying put.
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SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Why should they trust you since you were here during all of the madness that has unfolded in the city?
MAYOR JAMES KNOWLES, FERGUSON, MISSOURI: Sure. I can tell you that there are ways to remove me if that's the will of the people. I have stood for office five times over the last decade and won every time. This past time a year ago, less than a year ago now, I was unopposed for office.
SIDNER: So you're not going anywhere is what you're telling us?
KNOWLES: Unless the residents decide to remove me, but right now that's not the indication that I get.
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YOUNG: Now, obviously there has been a change in the atmosphere here. In fact, early on yesterday we only saw one protester standing outside the Ferguson Police Department. People are calling for calm. They want to see an arrest made in this case, in the investigation and manhunt continues -- Victor.
BLACKWELL: All right, Ryan Young for us live in Ferguson this morning. Ryan, thank you.
PAUL: All right, I want to get to the other big story that we're watching today in the South Pacific. UNICEF says that a monster cyclone has killed at least six people in the island nation of Vanuatu and it is feared that this toll obviously could rise.
I mean, Tropical Storm Pam was as strong as a Category Five hurricane when it barreled ashore yesterday, made a direct hit on the capital of Port Villa. Winds reached up to 200 miles an hour. They tore apart homes and knocked down trees.
The Australian Red Cross says shelter, food and water, all urgently needed here and an emergency official with the aid group, World Vision, tells CNN there is incredible destruction.
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UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: Port Villa looks like an absolute bomb has hit it. It's devastating. I have just been through driving around where you can drive through because there are a lot of roads that have been blocked off. They have fallen in piles so high in some places that you can barely see on the top. The water is incredibly rough. There are some villages that have just been absolutely
decimated and our local huts that are native have been blown away. With the winds last night, it sounded like the ocean. That's how strong it was. It pretty much drowned out the way and the sound of the wind for shutters was just hammering down on the windows.
These are some of the most secure solid structures in port villa and during that time I could think of if you were not in a solid structure last night, it would have been a very, very tough time.
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PAUL: Another UNICEF community saying that she spent the night under the bathroom sink and all she could think about during that time is the people who might be literally clinging to coconut trees for their lives throughout the evening.
Tropical Cyclone Pam was one of the most powerful storms ever to make land fall. It's weakening slightly at this hour as it moves away from Vanuatu. Bill Weir was there for CNN's "THE WONDER LIST" and he was there before the storm hit and he told CNN's Poppy Harlow, look, there is nowhere to hide from a storm like this.
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BILL WEIR, CNN HOST, "THE WONDER LIST": There is no place to go. I mean, some of these people literally live in trees and some of the islands were they are embracing and are really encouraging development. They have the first concrete floor and a roof house. So evacuation as we define it, taking shelter the way you define it does not exist there.
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PAUL: So let's bring in meteorologist, Ivan Cabrera. Just wondering where this thing is headed now?
IVAN CABRERA, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, it's heading away from them now. The damage is done, but just think the Category Five and Katrina and this is a category five hurricane paralleling the Florida Keys.
The difference is that as you heard from the report there the villages here cannot sustain that kind of force, that kind of wind, that kind of storm surge because we're talking of structures that are not built from concrete.
A lot of people and villages live in huts. A lot of villagers do and so I must believe that at this hour, some villages probably some including hundreds of people have just been completely wiped out.
This is the kind of storm that we're talking about here, 155 mime an hour wind. Here are the dangerous winds. That's the capital city, and now it's moving away. So the worst of the storm is now done. It is going to continue heading off to the south and east.
But look at this. This is the worst case scenario for the track because there is the capital and the eye and needle went along them here. It is equal to a Category Five hurricane and gusts up to 200 miles an hour.
A well-prepared American city would have significant damage from the storm. Imagine the people in the south pacific islands. It's going to be a disaster. I think that we're just beginning. The clean-up that's underway here is just unfolding in Vanuatu.
PAUL: Thank you so much. I could think of only people clinging to coconut trees because that's all they had.
BLACKWELL: Yes. We will get more about the devastation there. Also we'll hear more from Bill Weir when he joins us right here on CNN at 10 a.m. Eastern. He got a firsthand look at Vanuatu again before this killer cyclone struck. He hosts CNN's "THE WONDER LIST," which airs Sunday nights at 10.
The Iraqi troops, they're gaining ground against ISIS in a city with strong symbolic values, Saddam Hussein's hometown. A former CIA officer and counterterrorism advisor weighs in on the importance here.
PAUL: Plus new doubts about that alleged Secret Service drunk driving scandal we've been hearing so much about. What sources are now telling CNN about that controversy.
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PAUL: Right now, Iraqi forces are edging toward victory in Tikrit. This is a key Iraqi city. It's the hometown of Saddam Hussein and troops are trying to fight off about 150 ISIS militants. Look at some of the video we're getting in this morning.
Earlier this week, Iraqi forces took control of a military hospital just a few blocks away from the presidential palace. Now the Pentagon says ISIS has lost about 25 percent of the territory it once controlled in Iraq even though forces appear to be winning back Tikrit.
But it's a much different scene 100 miles south in the city of Ramadi. ISIS has launched a major offensive there, killing more than 40 Iraqi soldiers after blowing up the army's headquarters.
I want to talk to former CIA operations officer and former counterterrorism advisor, Joshua Katz. Thank you so much for being with us, Mr. Cats. It's one step forward and then one step back every time in Iraq.
How confident are you that the Iraqis and maybe the Kurdish Peshmerga can defeat ISIS without U.S. troops being put directly on the ground there?
JOSHUA KATZ, FORMER CIA OPERATIONS OFFICER: Well, there are also the other forces of the Iranian military and Iranian Special Forces and Shiite militias backed by the Iranians. So there is a lot of forces here from a lot of different places that are trying to combat and take back land from ISIS. But they're having a lot of trouble. That trouble is going to
continue and without a robust U.S. plan pulling together other nations as well as using our own military might, the outcome here is doubtful unfortunately.
PAUL: Well, and the fight seems to be modifying a bit because we had earlier this week, Boko Haram coming out pledging their allegiance to ISIS leader and making this announcement via -- some sort of announcement that they're accepting Boko Haram's pledge. How might those two actually merge together?
KATZ: We saw this with al Qaeda and groups around the world that were pledging support to al Qaeda. Right now Boko Haram, it's just in name only, but as ISIS continues to expand its northern African operations, that alliance becomes more important to watch, and it gives them a base of operations in other places.
So we have to look at and be mindful of the expansion of these alliances, but operationally right this minute there's not very much going on between the two.
PAUL: But at some point, do you see ISIS actually giving Boko Haram resources such as money or weapons and trying to facilitate those transfers and if so, would there be targets to try to stop the transfers in the process of. Is that where the military might shift?
KATZ: So you know, that's what our great men and women in the intelligence community are looking at. That's what our partners throughout the world are looking at is that that exchange of information, the exchange of ideas and the exchange of personnel tactics and even operations.
In the future as they move and as ISIS continues to expand, that becomes more and more likely, but we are definitely watching those links very closely.
PAUL: You know, the White House they have been reluctant to call ISIS Islamists because they say that using that term gives them legitimacy. I want to -- let's listen here to something CIA Director John Brennan said yesterday on that very topic.
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JOHN BRENNAN, CIA DIRECTOR: They are terrorist, criminals and many of them are psychopathic thugs, murderers, who use a religious concept and mask themselves in that religious construct. I think that it's injustice to the tenants of religion.
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PAUL: What's the reaction, Joshua?
KATZ: I think that this is an unfortunate debate. We really have yet to define the enemy. I think the current authorization to use military force as well as Director Brenna's comments really demonstrate that. We are unable to define that this is the radicalization of Islam.
It doesn't mean that all Islam is like that. It just means that we have to identify that there is a radical process going on. Without having that conversation and the acknowledgment, we are very ill-equipped both at home and abroad to deal with it.
PAUL: All righty. Former counterterrorism advisor, Joshua Katz, we appreciate your insight, sir. Thank you for being with us.
KATZ: Thanks for having me.
PAUL: Sure -- Victor.
BLACKWELL: Thank you, Christi. New struggles for the Secret Service, but sources now tell CNN that the initial accounts of this so-called drunk driving incident at the White House may not be totally true. We have the latest twist in the scandal ahead.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on sweetie.
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BLACKWELL: You've got to see this. A baby survives alone in an over turned vehicle for 14 hours. You want to see the new body cam footage that shows her as they pull her from the freezing river in a race to save her life.
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BLACKWELL: It's 23 minutes after the hour. And this morning a new picture is emerging of a night two Secret Service agents allegedly drove under the influence and crashed into an active bomb investigation at the White House.
Now, some sources are telling CNN a different story about what happened. CNN White House correspondent, Michelle Kosinski, has the latest twist.
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MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This story broke as two possibly drunk top Secret Service agents coming back from a party and crashing through a crime scene slamming into the a White House barrier and officers wanting to test them for alcohol, but a supervisor intervening and sending them home.
The Secret Service director kept in the dark for five days and yet now the law enforcement sources familiar with this investigation are casting doubts about what happened that night. They say, yes, the agents did drive into the area where suspicious package and bomb threat was being investigated near the White House after driving under police tape.
But these sources say the agent driving the government car was going, quote, "literally one mile an hour," nudging a plastic barrel- type barrier out of the way to get to the first checkpoint onto the White House grounds.
They rolled down the windows and showed the badges for about 25 seconds, were waved through to next checkpoint and they drove on. Sources say that there was no crash, no damage and no disruption to the scene.
And now they are also questioning the suggestion that these agents might have been drunk or that a supervisor allowed them to go home over the objections of officers at the scene who wanted them tested.
They now say that story is seriously in question. That they know of no one who corroborates it. There is still the possibility according to sources that the agents did drink while at the party.
Ron Kessler, who has written books about the Secret Service, says there seems to be a lot here that should not have happened.
RONALD KESSLER, AUTHOR, "IN THE PRESIDENT'S SECRET SERVICE": They were obviously driving recklessly. If you or I went through some tape and police tape and then nudged some other obstacle and then it turned out we've been drinking, we would have been arrested. We would have been giving a sobriety test. It does not mean you have to crash into the White House to have an improper incident.
KOSINSKI: Now, members of Congress are demanding answers from the Secret Service director in a briefing next week.
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BLACKWELL: All right, Michelle Kosinski, thank you very much.
PAUL: Still to come, we have the latest on the intense manhunt out of Ferguson, Missouri. A lot of people are wondering if racial tensions have been renewed in that community following the shooting of two police officers. We're taking a close look for you.
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BLACKWELL: Coming on the bottom of the hour, this morning detectives are working around the clock to track down the shooter or shooters who injured two police officers outside the Ferguson Police Department.
While authorities have several leads, it seems they are no closer to finding those responsible. Here is what St. Louis County Police Chief John Belmar had to say about the investigation.
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BELMAR: I cannot tell you at this point that an arrest is going to happen. There's certainly nobody in custody. When we get to the point that we feel like that we have active leads if we can do anything through you to have the community assist us, we will certainly let you know. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BLACKWELL: A wide ranging investigation and you have got local, state, also federal resources that Attorney General Holder has promised and let's get to the latest on the search for the suspects. Right now, police are offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to an arrest. That pact could grow as public donations pour in. That's what we heard from the chief there. Also Chief Belmar seems to be stepping back from an earlier assertion that the shooting was an ambush and he said authorities are unsure whether the shooter or shooters had any connections to the demonstrations.
Let's bring in Malik Aziz. He's the executive director of the national police - a National Black Police Association.
And I want to start with this question that the protesters are asking, and not just people of Ferguson, but around the country. Can the Ferguson police department survive this and maybe the better question, should they?
MALIK AZIZ, EXECUTIVE DIR., NATIONAL BLACK POLICE ASSOCIATION: Well, I think they can survive it. It's going to be very difficult to regain the trust of the community. But they survive - Now, it is up to the citizen of Ferguson to demand what kind of police force they want, or if they want one at all. But the obstacles that lie ahead for a police department that has been through such a rough time in this city, to survive any outcome that's positive. Right now it does not appear that they have regained any footing. The foundation has been cracked and the citizens do not trust Ferguson police department and what is so vital to a progressive and vibrant police force is there for lacking or missing.
BLACKWELL: OK. So beyond Ferguson. I mean we saw the details that came out in the DOJ report and specifically about the government there in Ferguson and thickening the bottom line and adding to the conference on the backs of people who live there. But if Ferguson police department does not survive and the St. Louse County police department takes over, how does any law enforcement agency regain the trust of people there? Give us some specifics.
AZIZ: They must demonstrate a commitment to community engagement. Community policing has always been the foundation of good police community in the actions and police chiefs and police departments who actually believe that then they carry those things out where they are in the neighbors decades or years before incidents such as this would occur. So it starts at the very root of it, and that's an interaction and a positive interaction between police and the people who they serve. We're public servants after all, and you can't take the public out of the servant. So, we have to go right into the community, policing engagement. We have to engage the youth, we have to engage the business community, we have to engage the residential community. We have to go out and break down the barriers that have existed in law enforcement for many decades.
BLACKWELL: You know, I know you're attending this - this noble national organization of black law enforcement gathering. And I wonder even anecdotally or if there's some statistical information to back it up. Are you hearing or seeing some difficulty in recruiting black law enforcement?
AZIZ: Recruiting has presented many challenges and obstacles over the years. The - every police department, whether it's large or small has had difficulties in trying to diversify a police department. Many of the obstacles have been self-created. Some of the subjective hiring policies have landed a helping hand for police departments and inadequate or lacking police chiefs who are not focused to allow recruiting to take a back step or it's not the primary focus and now when places like Ferguson happened and you find a 67 percent community with 53 police officers, only three African-American, then it comes to the light, so I was listening to Director James Comey from the FBI yesterday while here, and he was talking about the difficulties and recruiting, you know, with 13,000 agents on it and just a little over 600 being black and we have readily available pools from the federal government with the law enforcement police departments across the nation who are ready to serve in the FBI. Police departments, on a whole, though, they have a -- it's a very, very difficult job, but it can be done. There's no excuses. You just have to beat the streets and get the job done with non-traditional methods of recruiting blacks.
BLACKWELL: Yeah, and that continues to be a challenge, maybe exacerbated by what we're seeing in the news now.
AZIZ: Of course.
BLACKWELL: Malik Aziz, good to have your insight, and I will be with you later today at the noble event.
AZIZ: Oh, great. I'm glad to be here.
BLACKWELL: Thanks so much. Christi?
PAUL: All right, you know, it's rare to be able to sit down with Prince Charles. But CNN's Max Foster did. And Prince Charles was really candid revealing what it was like, for instance, in the '70s when President Nixon invited him to stay at the White House.
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PRINCE CHARLES: I thought it was great and amusing. That was the time when they were trying to marry me off to Trisha Nixon.
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PAUL: We have a sneak peak of the CNN special spotlight. Charles and Camilla that airs tonight at 7:30 p.m. Eastern, but first ...
Serena Williams makes her triumphant return to Indian Wells.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please welcome the number one player in the world Serena Williams. (CHEERS)
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PAUL: Listen to those cheers. She is getting a standing ovation this time, rather than boos that she experienced last time. She also got a win in her first match. Why does that mean so much? That's in today's "Open Court."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This weekend Serena Williams returns to Indian Wells, one of the biggest events on the tennis circuit. Marking the end of her 14 year boycott.
SERENA WILLIAMS: I just kind of felt it, I just felt like everything was a right time for me to just come back and try to do the best that I could hear again.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The world number one returns for the first time since winning the title in 2001. The then 19-year-old endured an outraged crowd who booed and jeered after her sister Venus withdrew from the tournament due to injury. Her father Richard also said that he was racially abused.
WILLIAMS: I think when you do forgive and when you do try to let go and you let go, you have to let a lot of those emotions go as well. I am looking forward, actually, to kind of stepping out on center court and letting the whole world know that it does not matter what you face whether it's something that was not right or something that hurt you or your family, you can just come out and be strong and say I am still going to be here. I am still going to survive, and I am still going to be the best person that I can be.
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BLACKWELL: Can you believe that it's been ten years almost since Prince Charles married Camila Parker Bowles? She's now the Duchess of Cornwall. Now, she was a controversial figure in the earlier years. During that trip, the first trip to the U.S. after Princess Diana's death, a lot of fans of the princess protested. CNN's Max Foster sat down with Prince Charles for a rare interview.
MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Christi, Victor. The Prince of Wales just does not do interviews very often, and when he does, he does not want to talk about anything personal. But he's decided to do so now. So, he invited us into his home in Scotland to do just that.
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PRINCE CHARLES: I must have met a quite a lot of the presidents of the United States.
FOSTER: And quiet often those encounters have taken place at the White House during Charles's tours of the United States.
(on camera): It's a country that you've visited many times officially and privately. It must be a country that you're very found of.
PRINCE CHARLES: I think that I have been 20 times of something in the last 45 years. And shows how old I am getting.
FOSTER (voice over): As Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall prepared for the upcoming four day tour of the U.S., he granted me an exclusive interview and he shared memories of past visits.
PRINCE CHARLES: I remember the first time was, we were invited to stay in my sister (ph), in 1970, of the White House with President Nixon for the weekend.
That was quit amusing I must say. That was the time when they were trying to marry me off to Trisha Nixon.
FOSTER: Ten years ago Camilla joined Charles, their first official overseas visit.
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FOSTER (on camera): 2005, your first joint overseas tour with your new wife, the Duchess of Cornwall. What are your memories of that visit?
PRINCE CHARLES: Well, I remember that we had a very, very jolly time in California, I seem to remember, and there were all so friendly there.
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FOSTER: It will be interesting next week to see how Americans accept the royal couple on the tour, which starts in Washington D.C. next week because ten years ago when Camilla first did her tour in the United States, they was quite a lot of negativity. They were comparing her to Diana. Diana fans were holding up very vicious placates in places. But I think certainly Brits have warmed to Camilla over the last decade. And it will be interesting to see whether Americans have done the same. Victor and Christi.
BLACKWELL: All right, Max, thanks. Be sure to watch the CNN special spotlight "Charles and Camilla." It airs tonight at 7:30 p.m. Eastern.
PAUL: Well, the lawyers for the Boston bombing suspect tell the jury, yep, he did it, wondering if this is a risky gamble just to try to save him from the death penalty. We are going to get straight into that conversation next.
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PAUL: Listen to this, police in Utah say they heard a strange voice calling to them from a vehicle that had plunged into the Spanish Fork River last Friday.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To me it was plain as day because I remember hearing a voice that did not sound like a child. Just saying help me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Someone said help me inside of that car, and I think that it was - that said it. We're trying. We're trying our best gain.
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PAUL: And then that voice just can't be explained because the baby's mother, 25-year old Lee Jennifer Groesbeck, was found dead. And some are calling it a miracle that her baby Lily survived alone and suspended upside down in her car seat for 14 hours after this crash. Sam Penrod with our affiliate KSL has this heart-stopping body cam footage of her dramatic rescue.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go ahead.
SAM PENROD, KSL REPORTER: As one of the first Spanish Fork officers responding to the call of a car in the river, this officer runs down into the water without hesitation joining other first responders. A fisherman had called police to report that car was in the river, calling back 90 seconds later when he could see someone was trapped inside.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have we got? What have we got?
PENROD: Three police officers, two firefighters and the fisherman all jumped into action trying to flip the car over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ah!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on! Let's go - come on. Let's go. Come on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Watch out! Watch out!
PENROD: Tragically they can see the driver Jenny Groesbeck was fatally injured in the crash, but the situation was about to take on an even greater sense of urgency.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, god, there's a baby. Bryan get up here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a baby.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bryant. Get up here, though.
PENROD: Moments later, a fire fighter pulls what seems to be a small lifeless body out of the car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got it. You got it.
Pass her up. Pass her up. Pass her up. Right here. Go, go, go. PENROD: The officer and the EMT carried Lily up the rocks and run to a waiting ambulance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on baby. She is definitely hypothermic. She is freezing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just - up in there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go. Go.
PENROD: The office starts patting her on the back hoping she will start to breathe and gives Lily encouragement to live.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, sweetie. Come on, Sweetie.
PENROD: They began giving Lily infant CPR and trying to warm her up as the ambulance rushes to the hospital and no one can feel a pulse.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're almost there. Are you getting a pulse?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I cannot feel anything.
PENROD: As the ambulance arrive to the hospital just six minutes after Lily was pulled from the car there's a sign of life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's all right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on.
PENROD: Lily starts to vomit as the officer runs here into the emergency room.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Straight in.
Come on baby.
We have been doing CPR on here. She has been throwing up a little bit.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was rolled over into the river and under water and emerged the whole way.
PENROD: Doctors and nurses helped to stabilize Lily as the video ends. She is later flown to primary children's hospital.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Old McDonald had a farm.
PENROD: And just four days later this is Lily laughing and playing with her father just a few hours before she was released from the hospital. A truly miraculous recovery for a little girl who seemed to be lifeless when she was pulled from a wrecked car in the frigid water of the Spanish Fork River.
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PAUL: Sam Penrod reporting there from affiliate KSL. Baby Lily is back home, by the way, and her father says he is just overwhelmed. You can help this family. Just you can visit there a go fund me page. So far people donated $73,000, but man, if you ever wondered what first responders go through, what an account that is to really bring us into those moments.
BLACKWELL: It's amazing and there were little details that - I mean I don't have kids. You have three. But when you see the first responders doing these compressions, not with the full fist ...
PAUL: Yeah.
BLACKWELL: But with just two fingers, it really brings home the fragility of a 14 month old and how she survived all that time.
PAUL: And the whole mystery of all those men hearing somebody saying help me, when you hear that 14 month old can't say it.
BLACKWELL: Yeah.
PAUL: Just wow.
BLACKWELL: Where did that voice come from?
PAUL: Just wow. All ready. We are going to be right back.
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PAUL: The death penalty trial of Boston marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is going to start back up again on Monday, even though Tsarnaev has pled not guilty. In opening statements his lead defense lawyer bluntly said, it was him, so his attorneys are focusing essentially on saving him from execution. The question is will their strategy succeed as the jury has been hearing from survivors of that April day in 2013 when two bombs exploded at the Boston marathon? Let's talk to HLN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney Joey Jackson. Good morning, Joey.
JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Good morning, Christi.
PAUL: I want to ask you did it surprise you when Tsarnaev's attorney just flat out said, he did this, we're not going to contest it?
JACKSON: You know, it did not surprise me, Christi, in as much as the case and the evidence against him are overwhelming. The reality is that he is guilty, and so what the attorneys had to decide for him, is do I lose credibility and attempt to cross examine people who have lost limbs, people who have lost loved ones and other compelling evidence that clearly is there and exist. Do I and instead of doing that and losing credibility with the jury, accept responsibility to this jury and hope and pray that they have mercy on him. That's the strategy. Will it work? I am highly skeptical, Christi, that it will.
PAUL: Well, and you just something that made me take notice. You said accept responsibility. I don't know that he is accepting responsibility for this. He is saying - he's blaming it on his older brother. This is a man who at the time was 19 years old. Dzhokhar was. He's a grown man. Is that whole my brother influenced me to do it really enough?
JACKSON: It's - that's a great question, Christi. And you are absolutely right. Because there is finger pointing. And, you know, when you look at the compelling evidence here, remember that it also involves tweets in addition to, you remember, the scrolling on the boat where he was found and taking about his hate of America and the like. His tweets doing likewise, and so the question is going to be, did your brother assist you in tweeting your dislike for America? Did he assist you in tweeting the derogatory inflammatory things you had to say about Americans, and as a result of that, will that defense work? I am highly doubtful. We also have to remember, Christi that the judge has limited in this phase of the trial the defenses ability to talk about the brother because that goes. It's not a defense to say my brother made me do it. It more goes to the issue of mitigation.
And so, I think in the death penalty phase, and of course, I'm presuming he'll be found guilty, which he certainly will. The defense is not even challenging the evidence. In the death penalty phase we will hear a lot more about how he was influenced by his brother. His brother was the one who led him along. Who radicalized him? But I think it flies in the face of compelling evidence that shows he had a mind of his own, he had a thought process of his own and he acted on his own in addition to his brother. And that is joint liability, joint responsibility. Equally both are culpable, both had a role and I think the jury will so find.
PAUL: Speaking of, you know, either mitigating or aggregating factors, this is one of the, I think, most chilling things that the jury hearing from all of these survivors first of all, including the father of eight-year-old boy Martin Richard. Dzhokhar allegedly dropped a backpack with a bomb just behind that eight-year-old boy. We have a video of it. And we have a picture of that moment. So, this is something that was caught on camera in terms of him putting it right behind Martin who was killed. That seems so brazen, and inhuman in that moment. How can the defense possibly overcome that?
JACKSON: You know, Christi, I don't know that they can. And I think what the prosecution is doing is pursuing a strategy what I call, of triangulation. What does that mean? I think at the outset what they are doing is, they put on testimony from people whose lives were affected forever. Now, of course, the country's lives are affected because everyone stands with Boston, to be clear, but there are people in that community whose lives will never be the same, the loss of limbs, the loss of loved ones, three people died and, of course, the MIT officer who has been shot and killed, and then, of course, they go to the issue of the tweets that showed he did it and then they show the aftermath of what he did after and purchasing milk, going to the gym, complete callousness, and therefore to lead to the death penalty.
PAUL: All right. Joey Jackson, always appreciate your insight. Thank you.
JACKSON: Pleasure. Have a great day. PAUL: You too.
PAUL: So much news that we still have to tell you about this morning.
BLACKWELL: All right. So let's start the next hour of NEW DAY right now.
