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Deadly Shelling Rocks Donetsk; Battle Rages For Iraq's Oil-Rich Kirkuk; Bruce Jenner Involved In Fatal Car Crash; Coalition Continues Airstrikes against ISIS; Jeb Bush's Distancing Himself from Family Legacy; ISIS Using Social Media for Recruiting Youth

Aired February 8, 2015 - 06:00   ET

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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: We're following breaking news in Ukraine. Eight people killed. More than a dozen others wounded in the latest shelling to hit Donetsk.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Plus just moments ago, Secretary of State John Kerry spoke to world leaders in Munich. You will certainly want to hear how he says the U.S. should get involved in the Russia/Ukraine crisis.

PAUL: And Bruce Jenner involved in a deadly crash in California. The Olympic gold medalist isn't hurt, but could he face some jail time?

BLACKWELL: Good morning. Good to be with you. I'm Victor Blackwell.

PAUL: And I'm Christi Paul. It's so good to see you. We want to begin this morning with breaking news in Ukraine where the violence is escalating in the wake of failed efforts to broker a peace deal there.

BLACKWELL: According pro-Russian rebels, eight civilians were killed in shelling this weekend in Donetsk, 17 others were injured. CNN senior international correspondent, Nick Paton Walsh, is live in Donetsk where all of this is happening.

Nick, when we spoke with you yesterday, you've said that there was this continuous shelling. Are you still hearing that now?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it hasn't really let up. It did seem to be slightly quieter overnight, but this morning picking up again. And certainly this is a city coming to terms with what's happened in the last 24 hours.

We've been ourselves around some entirely civilian areas. Homes hit what seem to be by an artillery strike. In that one home we saw the mother there injured. The children narrowly escaped. A very horrifying situation for those caught in between the shelling.

Increasingly civilians here blaming the Ukrainian military for the shells fired in this direction, and they do seem to impact upon separatist-held areas. Both sides continue to blame each other. We are looking now at an increasing civilian death toll. The morgue here is often a horrific sight, overflowing, and all of this comes with the backdrop of these peace talks, so to speak, really yielding nothing so far -- Victor.

BLACKWELL: Nick, I wonder, as this shelling continues, there are these talks in Munich. Tell us more about this call that's going to happen later today.

WALSH: Well, that will be between the Ukrainian president and his French and German counterparts. And I'm sure it will be a bid to try and stabilize or concretize what was discussed in Moscow.

Now, of course, it is a remarkable sight of seeing the leaders of Europe's biggest leaders fly to the kremlin and effectively emerge with nothing, all sides saying how the talks have been constructed.

As you can hear behind me, that thudding picked up by one of the microphones is that same shelling. No impact at all on that of these talks. The cease-fire was supposed to be in effect since September. And that may be part of the plan being discussed.

But I think effectively we're dealing with a big challenge here. How do you bridge the gap between what Kiev wants, which is no real change in Ukraine's territorial integrity and what the separatists want, which is a lot closer relations with Russia, if not actually becoming part of Russia entirely.

Those two sides simply can't both be pleased. There's going to have to be a lot of compromise if any political solution can slow the level of explosions behind me that we're hearing -- Victor.

BLACKWELL: All right, Nick Paton Walsh for us in Donetsk. Nick, thanks.

PAUL: And just a short time ago, Secretary of State John Kerry spoke about the conflict in Ukraine at the Munich Security Conference. He sought to show a unity, a united front, with European leaders over the situation. He reiterated the United States' position on the use of military force in the region as well. Listen to this.

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JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: We are united. We are working closely together. We all agree that this challenge will not end through military force. We are united in our diplomacy. But the longer that it takes, the more the off-ramps are avoided, the more we will be forced to raise the costs on Russia and its proxies.

This much I can assure you, no matter what the United States, France, Germany and our allies and partners, no matter what, we will stand together in support of Ukraine and in defense of the common understanding that international borders must not, cannot be changed by force in Europe or anywhere else.

(END VIDEO CLIP) PAUL: And coming up next half hour, you're going to hear from State Department Spokeswoman Jen Psaki about U.S. plans to deal with the Ukraine crisis.

BLACKWELL: In Syria, there are reports of explosions in the ISIS-held city of Raqqa.

PAUL: Not clear whether the blasts are from new airstrikes, but coalition aircraft have been pounding ISIS targets in both Iraq and Syria this weekend. From Friday into Saturday, there were 11 airstrikes in Syria and 15 in Iraq.

BLACKWELL: And now the coalition is getting a boost from the United Arab Emirates. The UAE is sending a squadron of F-16 fighter jets to Jordan. We're awaiting a news conference by the Jordanian government. That should -- it's scheduled at least for next hour. We'll bring you the highlights of that.

PAUL: Now, the battle against ISIS is also raging in Iraq's north over a city that is valuable for its oil. We're talking about Kirkuk, of course, where ISIS militants have destroyed a key bridge to hold off a counterattack. Our Phil Black is one of the few western reporters in that vicinity and gives us a look at what's happening there right now -- Phil.

PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Victor, Christi, good morning. When ISIS first invaded northern Iraq, they moved incredibly quickly, conquering vast areas of land with great ease. And it seemed like there was little that could stop its fighters.

But on front lines across this region now, we have seen where the Peshmerga with the help of international air power have driven back ISIS where they are now building and holding defensive lines.

It looks like ISIS is really struggling to advance and take new territory, but it has not given up. ISIS recently launched a new, big push to take Kirkuk, which means it is once again menacingly close to another important Iraqi city.

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BLACK (voice-over): An ominous symbol declaring a threatening presence. The black flags of ISIS flying above its fighters' fortifications, this is the view of ISIS positions from just across a short bridge just behind the defenses of Kurdish fighters.

They're known as Peshmerga, and they're digging in here after ISIS recently surged north with a major offensive to try and take the city of Kirkuk.

(on camera): The ISIS flag is just there. You can see how close these opposing lines are. The Kurdish fighters, they rep repelled that ISIS attack. They've taken back most of the territory. But they tell us almost every night ISIS test their defenses. And the fighters believe in the next few days there's going to be another major push forward. These Peshmerga are beyond their traditional lands, outside the official borders of Iraqi Kurdistan, but they're all that stands between ISIS and its goal of taking another major Iraqi city, and this one rich in oil.

The commander tells me ISIS attacked in thick fog and also set oil wells on fire to hide their advance. When conditions cleared, he says, his men and coalition airstrikes killed hundreds of ISIS fighters, the bodies of some lie nearby hastily covered with earth.

(on camera): The threat is not only at the edges of Kirkuk. These Kurdish security forces also patrol its inner streets because ISIS has shown it can hit the heart of the city.

(voice-over): Last week gunmen stormed a temporary headquarters of local police, detonating a car bomb outside. No one but the three attackers was killed, but their ability to strike backs up what security forces here suspect.

ISIS already has people inside the city. The captain tells me he's sure ISIS members have entered the city pretending to be refugees. On front lines across Northern Iraq, ISIS has been losing ground to the Peshmerga, but this new offensive and the proximity of that flag to a key city shows ISIS has suffered little damage to its confidence or ambition.

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BLACK: You saw just how close those ISIS and Kurdish positions are. During the day neither side can move without the other noticing. But at nighttime it is very different, and the Peshmerga tell us they have little access to night vision equipment.

They say that's another example of their great need for further assistance from the international community. They want practical help, weapons, equipment that will enable them to effectively continue their role as the ground force of the international coalition against ISIS -- Victor, Christi, back to you.

PAUL: All right, Phil Black, we appreciate it. Thank you.

Now, we're following some other big stories ahead on "NEW DAY." These pictures from ISIS reportedly showing the damage caused by bombings in Raqqa, why the fight against the militants seems to be getting a bit of a boost?

BLACKWELL: Plus, millions of people are already dealing with mounds and mounds of snow. They could get blasted again. Two feet expected in parts of the northeast.

And Bruce Jenner has been in the news all week, but now it's for a different reason. The Olympic hero involved in a deadly crash that sent seven people to the hospital.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BLACKWELL: It's 13 minutes after the hour now. Reality star and Olympian Bruce Jenner, was involved in a fatal car crash yesterday afternoon in Malibu. Now, authorities say there's no evidence he was being chased by photographers so no paparazzi in this equation.

Jenner's publicist tells CNN that he was not injured in the crash, but one person died. Five children and two adults were sent to hospitals with injuries, and the Los Angeles County sheriff's department is now opening a vehicular manslaughter investigation.

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SGT. PHILIP BROOKS, LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: It appears Bruce Jenner was involved in a rear-end of a vehicle. However, he was the third car in a multiple rear-end collision, which was an escalade with a trailer behind it towing a sand rail.

Bruce Jenner's car, when it struck the Lexus, the Lexus went into oncoming traffic which struck the southbound H2 Hammer, and the driver of the white Lexus was pronounced dead at the scene.

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BLACKWELL: All right, this incident was quickly captured on camera by Paparazzi. They weren't involved in the accident, but they got there soon after.

Let's bring in HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson. He joins us by phone from New York. Joey, so the L.A. County Sheriff's Department is now opening this vehicular manslaughter investigation. What does that involve?

JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALSYT (via telephone): Good morning, Victor. What will happen is the investigators want to identify exactly what happened in the accident and how it happened in the accident. When you have multiple parties, what you want to do is you want to assess the conduct of each party.

So it's not only limited, Victor, to Bruce Jenner, it's, of course, limited to any -- each and every car that was involved there. I think it really will be twofold. It will be one, looking at and identifying any eyewitness and, of course, speaking to them to see what they can contribute as far as exactly what happened.

And there will be reports taken from those people who are actually there who observed who were involved. Then the second part to that, Victor, is also a fair amount of science. There's something called accident reconstruction. And it really involves physics.

When you look at the crush impact and the damage of the vehicles, you can really determine positioning of the vehicle. You can determine speeds of the vehicle, your skid marks on the street, and it's really pretty fascinating.

I've had a few cases involving accident reconstruction. And you can really piece together and figure out what went on, who caused it, and how it happened. That's what the investigation will entail.

BLACKWELL: There are several vehicles involved. Let's kind of walk through what happened here. So Jenner's driving that black Escalade you saw. He hits the Lexus from behind. The Lexus then spins into oncoming traffic, and then that lexus is hit by a Hummer H2. The driver of the Lexus dies. So based on that chronology there, is Jenner responsible in any way?

JACKSON: Well, what will happen, Victor, is that's what the investigation will seek to identify because, I mean, we can all understand that every day, unfortunately, most unfortunately, people die in accidents. Driving a car can be very dangerous.

And so that in and of itself is not criminal if someone dies. What they're going to do is they're going to look and assess the conduct of each party. Now, when you look at criminal and vehicular manslaughter, you're not looking necessarily at intent.

No one's intending to harm anyone when you're driving, but you're looking at something very basic, and it's called negligence. When you look at negligence, were you careless in any way? Were any of the drivers careless in any way? What does that mean?

Did they not exercise a reasonable amount of care as any driver would? And so in California under the vehicular manslaughter laws, if you are negligent, that is careless and acting not reasonably or irresponsibly, you could be criminally charged.

And of course, the degree to the charge would depend upon the part of negligence, if any. Were you negligent? Were you grossly negligent? Which is the higher standard? And then it sort of goes from there, they'll look at each party's conduct in that accident. Look at the degree of negligence, if any.

And then they'll try to determine who was responsible and whether criminal charges should be filed or whether it was simply a normal accident that occurred, unfortunately, with people driving.

BLACKWELL: All right, a lot to learn still in this case. HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson, thank you so much.

JACKSON: Have a great day, victor, my pleasure. Bye-bye.

BLACKWELL: Christi.

PAUL: All righty, well, it is February. More snow is on the way, but the travel headaches that could be ahead here. Millions of people are in this latest storm's path. We're going to take you there live.

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PAUL: If you think about it, architecture is art, and in today's "Ones To Watch," we're going to see how architecture can really shape how we look at the world.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): Look around. We are surrounded by architecture. From the extreme to the everyday, from the old to the new, from ancient Rome to modern Manhattan, each landscape speaks of those it shelters.

We have built and built and built on this earth, and architecture, the shaping of volume, light and ideas, has come to be known as the mother of all art.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are many buildings in the world that are great, and they're great and they have their limits. There's no such thing as a perfect building. It's actually continually evolving, and I think that that's what's really exciting.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every structure in our habitat was conceived by a creative mind, a person with a plan, an architect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Architects are obsessed. Everything they see and do is related to construction, and everything around our world is constructed.

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PAUL: Watch the full show at CNN.com/onestowatch.

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BLACKWELL: Well, it is more of the same for the northeast as it faces another winter storm.

PAUL: It doesn't look as pretty piled up as it does when it's coming down, does it?

BLACKWELL: It doesn't.

BLACKWELL: This thing has winter storm warnings already issued for parts of New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Boston, Beantown, in particular, facing up to two feet of snow, and all of this after they set a record for the snowiest seven-day period in history with more than 40 inches of snow already.

BLACKWELL: And you know, if it's snowing and it's Sunday morning, that means we've got to bring in Sara Ganim because she has been in it for the past couple of weeks. Sara, are people off the roads there? I don't even know if they can get out of their houses. I can see snow up to your hip there.

SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's the frustration here, Victor, is it's really hard to get around. Take a look at this. Streets like this one in the Beacon Hill neighborhood of Boston where the snow has been piling up storm after storm after storm. It's really hard to get around here, as you can see. And with snow

budgets on the brink, residents here are worried that this snow isn't going to go anywhere any time soon.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) GANIM (voice-over): A winter-weary northeast is bracing for yet another round of snow. This coming after a series of back-to-back-to- back storms that have already unleashed record amounts of snow in the region.

(on camera): What's it been like the last few weeks having back-to- back snowstorms? What's that been like for business?

CART HAGGARD, BARISTA, THINKING CUP COFFEE SHOP: That's been really slow. Like there have been days where we've sat around with literally nothing to do. All we'll do is bleach the counters.

GANIM (voice-over): And it's not just wearing down residents. City and state agencies across the northeast are close to busting their budgets in an effort to keep up. In Boston, Mother Nature has dumped more than 54 inches already on the ground. Not a record-breaking year, but more than average, and enough to strain resources.

MARTY WALSH, MAYOR OF BOSTON: If we continue to get the snow we're going to get, we're going to shatter our budget for snow. Our budget for snow is roughly $18 million. We're not over the top yet with the $18 million. We still have money underneath the cap, but we're heading towards that.

GANIM: City officials across the state are also saying they're approaching their snow removal budget for the year. In Worcester, records are already broken, 77 inches have fallen, and it's still February.

And in New Hampshire, officials say their salt supplies are dwindling. Some areas have seen 48 inches of snow in the last few weeks. Suppliers are having a hard time keeping up with those demands.

KEVIN SHEPHARD, DIRECTOR, MANCHESTER DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS: We've got about a $1.2 million budget. We spent somewhere between $800,000 to $900,000. We spent some money over the past couple weeks with the storms that we've had.

GANIM: And even more snow is still on the way, a frustrating prospect for residents who are having a hard time getting around.

HAGGARD: I don't know how much money the city's lost at this point from all this snow, but if we don't get rid of it and allow people to function normally and allow me and my coworkers to, like go to work normally, allow customers to come in normally, then businesses can't function.

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GANIM: Victor, take a look at this. This is not just a snow pile. This is actually a car somewhere in there that's been completely buried by the snow and it's not just an inconvenience. This is also a safety concern because if a car can be buried like that, then it's going to be really hard for officials to find a fire hydrant in the time of an emergency. So here in Massachusetts, they've actually launched a Twitter campaign asking people to dig out the fire hydrants on their street. Now, just in general, as that person, that business, that barista was saying who we talked to last night, it's really hard to get around as a pedestrian, to get from the street corner to the sidewalk when you're crossing the street. It's hard.

There are huge piles of snow in some cases as tall as I am. It's not just here in Boston. I've seen this in many of the cities we've been to over the past couple weeks. I've seen it to a lesser degree in my own neighborhood in New York City.

We've seen it in Maine, in Providence, in many different northeast towns. This is what people are fed up with. They're used to winter, Victor and Christi. They're not used to these back-to-back-to-back snowstorms.

BLACKWELL: Yes. It's an annoyance, but we also have to remember that it's dangerous. Sara Ganim live in Boston for us, thank you so much.

PAUL: Well, reports of new airstrikes targeting ISIS in Iraq and Syria this morning.

BLACKWELL: Yes, how the fight against the terrorists is getting a boost.

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BLACKWELL: We're following two developing stories. First in Ukraine where new shelling has killed eight people in Donetsk. Seventeen others are wounded.

PAUL: And new airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq and Syria this morning as coalition forces look to weaken the terrorist control of Mosul specifically. This as the United Arab Emirates decide they will rejoin the fight against ISIS. So glad to have you with us. Let's bring in CNN's Atika Shubert. She's live in Amman, Jordan for us this morning. Atika, help set the scene for us here. Wondering why the UAE has decided to rejoin this fight. And do we know what that's going to look like there, rejoining? Will they actually be conducting some strikes?

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They will definitely be conducting strikes. The UAE has sent in a squadron of F-16 fighter jets to Jordan. They will be based in here, and they will fly alongside Jordanian planes to hit those ISIS targets in Syria. Now, it's significant because as you point out, remember, they actually stopped flying in late December when that Jordanian air pilot went down behind ISIS enemy lines. And they were very concerned about the safety of their own pilots. But since that horrific murder of that Jordanian air pilot, they are now back in showing their support for the coalition and supporting Jordan as it increases its strikes against ISIS, Christi.

PAUL: All right. Atika, I wanted to ask real quickly, though, too, do we have any gauge of the impact of the latest wave of airstrikes? SHUBERT: Well, we know that they are hitting targets around Raqqa,

Kobani and Hasakah, but are they having an impact on the command structure? We just don't know yet. They hit a lot of weapons depots, storage areas, also some tactical units. But it's really hard to say at this point whether or not it's having an actual impact on the command structure of ISIS and if they're really pushing them back or just making a dent at this point.

PAUL: All righty. Atika Shubert live for us there in Amman. Atika, so good to get the info. Thank you.

And U.S. officials say there's no proof that American aid worker Kayla Mueller has been killed. ISIS, remember, claims that she died on Friday during a wave of Jordanian airstrikes. The 26-year old was captured my militants in 2013. Well, this morning her parents say they are still hoping she's alive. They claim that they've had contact with the terror group. In a statement to ISIS, the Mueller family writes this. "We've sent you a private message and asked that you respond to us privately. You told us that you treated Kayla as your guest. As your guest, her safety and well-being remains your responsibility." But again, no news as to the whereabouts of Kayla Mueller.

BLACKWELL: Also this morning, Secretary of State John Kerry says the U.S. and Europe are united in support of Ukraine. And in degrading and ultimately destroying ISIS.

PAUL: He spoke just a short time ago in Munich where he's attending an international security conference. Listen to this.

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JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: We are united. We are working closely together. We all agree that this challenge will not end through military force. We are united in our diplomacy. But the longer that it takes, the more the off-ramps are avoided, the more we will be forced to raise the costs on Russia and its proxies. This much I can assure you, no matter what the United States, France, Germany and our allies and partners, no matter what, we will stand together in support of Ukraine and in defense of the common understanding that international borders must not, cannot be changed by force in Europe or anywhere else. The fight against violent extremists is not going to be decided on the battlefield. It's going to be fought and won in classrooms, in workplaces, houses of worship, community centers, urban street corners, and halls of government.

BLACKWELL: U.S. Senator John McCain said this morning that the U.S. must provide arms to Ukraine, in his words, to make the price of war for Russia too costly for war. They say they are not involved in. Let's talk more about this. We have with us Lieutenant Colonel James Reese, CNN global affairs analyst, and former U.S. Delta force commander. I want to start with the words from Senator John McCain, saying that there is no military solution, but the Ukrainians need the weapons. What's your response? LT. COL. JAMES REESE, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Victor, good

morning. You know, it's a very -- I'll tell you right now, this issue in Ukraine literally can be worse than what we're dealing with in ISIS in Syria. One of the problems right now is if we try to push lethal force or lethal weapons into the Ukraine, one of the problems is the Ukraine's army is a conscript army, and they just don't have the aspects to start picking up these higher-tech weapons. So we're going to have to send trainers in to do that. This issue is very difficult for what's going on in Europe right now because the economic aspects, especially with the oil and gas that Russia holds with the pipeline going through the Ukraine, like I just said, this is going to be a more difficult situation than what's going on in Syria and Iraq right now.

BLACKWELL: And there are financial struggles in Russia, yes, but we saw this precipitous drop at a value of the Ukrainian currency as well this week. Their economies are intertwined. I also want to ask you about ISIS while we have you. We're learning, as Atika Shubert reported just a moment ago, that the UAE is sending this squadron F-16 fighter jets to rejoin the coalition. What's the significance here? Is it just symbolic, or is there some tactical value as well?

REESE: No, there's huge tactical value. But the key words here is what I call duty of care. The duty of care for the pilots who are flying cross-border operations specifically into Syria. We did not have the correct search and rescue platforms set up to support them quick enough, I believe. And now that they've pushed these platforms up to Erbil, it shortens the flash to bang time for those aircraft that pilot does go down, and that's what UAE was sort of looking for, the duty of care so when the pilots go across the border, they know something happens.

Someone's going to be coming for them a lot quicker than they were in Kuwait. And it is a big deal tactically because this increases the amount of sorties that can be flown against the targets in Syria, specifically in Raqqa. And again, you know, you said it a few minutes before. What ISIS knows, when you get even a ten percent tick-up in bombing, you know it, especially when you're getting it every single day. It's not fun to be the guy on the ground.

BLACKWELL: Yeah. Well, we know that the UAE actually withdrew from the coalition or at least the airstrikes for a moment because they were not confident in that search and rescue. And now they're back in, of course, after that video released of the Jordanian pilot. Lieutenant Colonel James Reese, thank you so much.

REESE: Thanks, Victor. Have a good morning.

BLACKWELL: You, too.

All right. Parents, listen up. The terror group ISIS is using social media to recruit Western teenagers. Some as young as 13. We'll talk about it with the FBI.

PAUL: Plus, 2016 presidential contender Jeb Bush might be distancing himself from his family's legacy right now. We'll show you how he's doing that coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BLACKWELL: Coming up on 17 minutes before the hour now. Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush is a top Republican presidential contender. He's not announced that he's jumping in, but a lot of people think he is. He's also having to now deal with his family's legacy, the good and the bad. Critics have already begun attacking his brother and father's economic records during their times in office. Just as he's starting to explain what he wants to do to improve the nation's economy as president? This new issue was brought up after a recent speech at the Detroit economic club. Here's how he responded.

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JEB BUSH (R) FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR: Well, I know it's an interesting challenge for me. One that I have to -- you know, if I have any degree of self-awareness, this would be the place where it might want to be applied. And so if I was to go beyond the consideration of running, I would have to deal with this and turn this fact into an opportunity to share who I am, to connect on a human level with people so people begin to and offer ideas that are important to people so that when they think of me, they think that I'm on their side.

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BLACKWELL: Well, opponents are raising the question of whether Jeb Bush's economic record would be any better than his father's record, his brother's record. Let's bring in CNN's Stephen Collinson. And Stephen, the challenge here is to say that I'm not just another Bush, I am Jeb Bush, and here's what I want to do. How does he do that?

STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's right. If you think about it, this is a very unique problem. Nobody's run for president seriously before having had a father and a brother who were presidents. So there's no real playbook for this. I think Jeb Bush is going to have problems in two areas. One in the primary and one in the general election. In the primary, it's very clear when you talk to conservatives that just the name Bush is a red flag. Many grassroots conservatives believe that the previous two Bush presidents didn't turn out to be as conservative as they had hoped and have been led to believe in terms of taxes, spending and the Supreme Court.

In the general election, if Jeb Bush were to win the nomination and, you know, go up against a top Democrat, probably Hillary Clinton for the White House, sooner or later he's going to have to confront that economic issue which you mentioned and Iraq. When George W. Bush left office in 2009, the economy was pitching into the worst recession since the Great Depression, losing 700,000 jobs a month. And, you know, there's also this issue of the Iraq war, which is a very conflicted legacy.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

COLLINSON: And I think we would see, you know, Democrats really bring up these two big issues to attempt to sort of tie Bush to the less favorable aspects of his family legacy. BLACKWELL: And Stephen, I wonder, is there any indication whether if

he's in a debate, if there's a gaggle of reporters there asking, was the decision to go into Iraq right, do you agree with your brother that he is going to differentiate himself, or are we seeing any indications that he'll just stand in lockstep with his brother?

COLLINSON: It's a very delicate balancing act. I don't think we would see him come out and say it was the wrong decision. He could possibly, you know, make some distinction with his brother saying perhaps that some of the follow-on from the Iraq war, the management of the occupation perhaps wasn't done as good as it might have been done in hindsight.

I think we will see him accuse the president, if it gets to that point in the general election, of pulling troops out of Iraq too quickly and therefore sort of destabilizing Iraq and sort of providing the conditions which allowed ISIS to, you know, become a real challenge, not just in Iraq, but in Syria. So, I think he would turn it not from sort of a discussion about his brother's foreign policy legacy into a discussion about the president's foreign policy legacy.

BLACKWELL: We didn't see George W. Bush on the campaign trail much in 2008, nor in 2012, but his brother wasn't a candidate then. Do you think that he'll be back on the campaign trail with Jeb Bush?

COLLINSON: It seems like he's very interested in sort of getting back out there. He seems like when you see him in the rare television interviews he does, he seems to have gotten that campaign itch, if you like. He's been very keen for his brother to run for president. I think it would have to be something that we very carefully managed. There are certainly areas in the country where he could go and he would be an asset to Jeb Bush. I think the interesting thing is going to be if Jeb Bush goes up against Hillary Clinton, a lot of these sort of dynastic questions might be off the table because she also has to differentiate herself from too big political figures, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

BLACKWELL: Yeah. We have said several times on this show that the long signs on either side of the street will not say Clinton/Bush, it will say Jeb and Hillary to try to differentiate themselves from the other presidents who are in their family. Stephen Collison, thank you so much.

COLLINSON: Thanks.

BLACKWELL: Christi.

PAUL: You know, when you think of the terror group ISIS, most people imagine it as something that's happening overseas. Well, social media is making it so easy for ISIS recruiters to target teens in your own neighborhood. We're talking to the FBI about one alarming trend right here at home. That's next.

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PAUL: You know, the terror group ISIS has closer ties to the U.S. than you may think. Just last month a Colorado teen was sentenced to four years in prison for wanting to join ISIS. 19-year-old Shannon Connelly was recruited online. And social media is key for ISIS to reach impressionable teens. And CNN's Pamela Brown talked to the FBI about this alarming trend.

PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Christi and Victor, we got a rare chance to sit down and talk with the man who was leading the FBI's counterterrorism efforts, Michael Steinbach, and he shared some disturbing insight into how ISIS is reaching into American homes to find their newest recruits and their next victims.

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BROWN: Of all the weapons used by terrorists, one of the most dangerous is social media.

MICHAEL STEINBACH, ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR, FBI'S COUNTERTERRORISM DIVISION: They are using it successfully to spot, assess, identify, target folks outside of war zones. They're using it in Europe, and they're using it in the United States.

BROWN (on camera): When you say target folks, how young are we talking?

STEINBACH: We've seen across the globe kids as young as 13 recruited by ISIL.

BROWN: 13?

STEINBACH: 13.

BROWN: Are they actually in direct contact in some of these cases with ISIS militants who are overseas in Syria that are reaching out to them directly?

STEINBACH: What we've seen is individuals in Syria reaching directly into the United States starting in public chats on different social media platforms and then moving to private chats where they continue to recruit, inspire and then and encourage individuals either to travel overseas or even worse to conduct an attack here in the United States.

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BROWN (voice over): Michael Steinbach, the head of the FBI's counterterrorism division, says ISIS is also using Facebook and Twitter to identify potential American victims.

(on camera): I'm wondering, is it an assumption, or is there actually intelligence to back it up?

STEINBACH: There certainly is intelligence indicating that foreign terrorist organizations are using social media not only to spot and assess, but select targets. Targeting the military, targeting law enforcement, targeting government officials. BROWN (voice over): That threat led the FBI to issue a string of

warnings, urging U.S. government employees to scrub their social media profiles of any information terrorists could use to find them.

(on camera): Everyone is on social media these days, though. How do you get through the noise of someone who's just mouthing off versus someone who is a legitimate threat?

STEINBACH: That's the trick of law enforcement, and that's the trick of the U.S. intelligence community to work through that using data, using strong analytical skills. But it's a full-time job, and it's a challenge.

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BROWN: And something else that Steinbach said that really struck me, he says there's been a deliberate focus by ISIS leadership to use social media to recruit people with sophisticated and specific skills like engineers and accountants. People to run the business end of their caliphate. Christi and Victor?

BLACKWELL: All right, Pamela Brown, thank you so much.

More civilians killed this weekend in Ukraine as world leaders struggle to broker a peace deal. They failed thus far. The latest on the crisis at the top of the hour.

First, though, a turn of events in NBC's investigation of anchor Brian Williams. He announced some personal news about his role at NBC yesterday. We'll tell you about that next.

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PAUL: Here's a look at some of the stories that are developing right now.

BLACKWELL: People living in Douglasville, Georgia, say they're traumatized after this tragic shooting in the middle of the street yesterday. Douglas County investigators say a man killed four and injured two. The shooter then killed himself. Now, witnesses say he shot his ex-wife, shot her new boyfriend and several children. This investigation is ongoing.

PAUL: And you, I'm sure, are just as riveted at this shocking video from TVBS. As so many have been. TransAsia Airways plane crashing in Taiwan. This was on Wednesday. But today the death toll has risen. It now is at 40. Rescue workers are continuing today as well to search for three missing passengers. 15 did survive. TransAsia says they plan to compensate relatives with just over $6,000 per passenger. The crash is still under investigation.

BLACKWELL: "NBC Nightly News" anchor Brian Williams announced he's temporarily stepping aside. He's under investigation by NBC over the accuracy of a story he told about a 2003 war mission in Iraq. Well, here's part of his statement. "I've decided to take myself off of my daily broadcast for the next several days, and Lester Holt has kindly agreed to sit in for me to allow us to adequately deal with this issue. Upon my return, I will continue my career-long effort to be worthy of the trust of those who place their trust in us." We'll have more coming up at 7:00.

PAUL: We are so grateful that you're starting your morning with us.

BLACKWELL: We've got a lot more ahead on the next hour of your "NEW DAY." It starts right now.