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Viral Video of Baby Playing with 9-Foot Python; NASCAR Driver Accuses Ex of Being Hired Assassin; Researchers Report on Women and Sex

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, a baby girl and a python. That is right. Two things that have nothing to do with each other. But you will

have to see the viral video and hear what the dad of that girl has to say.

And the NASCAR scandal. Is driver Kurt Busch`s ex a paid assassin? Then, why is -- Oh my goodness! #notpee trending tonight? I will explain. Let

us get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening. I am here with my co-host, Samantha Schacher. And, we are discussing -- Yes, a baby and a Burmese python. We have the jaw

dropping viral video. You have to see it. It is our segment called what the - "WTF." It is exactly what the name suggests. The most shocking

story of the night dominating social media. Take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: That is a 14-month-old baby girl, playing on the floor with a 13-foot Burmese Python.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Alisa. Is that a snake? Are you playing with a snake?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: And, now the toddler`s father is being targeted by critics who say it is child abuse. Pythons kill their prey not

crashing but by squeezing. Suffocation results when air is forced out of the. They have been known to kill dogs, livestock and people. The dad

insists his baby is in no danger and that the snake, named Naynay, is a loving family pet.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Alisa. Is that a snake? Are you playing with a snake?

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PINSKY: And, that child`s father, whose voice you heard there, will join us in just a bit. But, Sam, so reassuring to know that these pythons do

not crush, they just squeeze to death.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HLN CO-HOST: Right.

PINSKY: So reassuring.

SCHACHER: Right, they squeeze all of the air out of your lungs.

PINSKY: Not what I call a child`s playmate.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: That is a crazy idea. OK. Joining us Anahita Sedaghatfar, attorney at Anahitalive.com; Mark Eiglarsh, attorneyspeaktomark.com;

Kayleigh McEnany, Political commentator. Anahita, opening question is to you. Is this reckless behavior on the part of the dad?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. Now, I do not think it is child abuse. I do not think the father had any bad intentions here, but

this is totally reckless, Dr. Drew because this is a snake. At the end of the day, it is a wild animal.

You cannot domesticate or train a snake. And, snakes act instinctively. So, God forbid if that snake wanted to harm that child, it could do so in a

split second even before the father could come help his child.

PINSKY: Kayleigh, any disagreement?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, also, Dr. Drew, let me just add this. The snake owner`s that have had their snakes attack and kill people had been charged

and convicted of manslaughter. So, this is no joke.

PINSKY: It is no Joke if somebody dies, of course. But, Kayleigh -- hold on, Mark.

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I want to echo something you said. I want to echo something that Anahita said. This is not child

abuse. And, there are serious implications for us calling it that. Is it negligence? Is it reckless? Of course.

But, to call this child abuse puts into question every parent who lets their child play with a big dog. Last year, 20 children were killed by big

dogs. Most of them pets. There are serious implications if we call this child abuse. Then we have to call every other parent who lets their kid

play with a dog, child abuse as well.

PINSKY: Mark, I have a habit of freaking my audience out. I am not sure this is reckless. I am not sure this is abuse. I am not sure this is not,

perhaps, ever safer than a big dog that Kayleigh suggest. A Burmese Python, however, in your home state, I guess where? In Florida, shocking,

killed an 18-month-old.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You had to go there.

PINSKY: I did.

EIGLARSH: OK. First of all, that is apples to oranges. That snake that killed the child here in Florida was not fed for 30 days. It was not kept

in a safe enclosure. Completely different. This is not child abuse. This is not reckless.

4.6 million people each year in the United States alone are attacked by dogs. OK? So, I would be considered a child abuser then. OK? Because, I

let my kids swim in the water in the ocean where there are sharks. There is no evidence that this python was dangerous in any way.

PINSKY: Sam, Mark hates dogs. I got that. Mark hates that.

SCHACHER: He does not hate dogs.

PINSKY: No. No. I got it. I got it. He does. He is afraid of dogs.

SCHACHER: No he does not. He hate dogs. He is going to call me a child abuser because I got a dog.

EIGLARSH: Yes. That is what I said, Drew.

PINSKY: Sam, can you tell me anything about the dad? Does not he have experience with snakes? This is not what it seems.

SCHACHER: He has so much experience with snakes, Dr. Drew. His children have a lot of experience with snakes. And, he has a YouTube channel. It

is all dedicated to handling snakes. So, yes, it is not what it seem. But, I do think that, if I love snakes. I do not think that this is child

abuse. I would not want to place ----

PINSKY: It is scary, though.

SCHACHER: Yes. I would not want to place a snake next to my child. But, I also do not have the experience, but Mark was accurate. As far as that

Florida story, Dr. Drew, I do think that we need to provide some context, because, I did see people talking about that other story from 2009 on

social media.

And, that story that the snake had not been fed for almost a month. It repeatedly was escaping the cage. The father finally put it in a mesh

laundry bag and escaped again. And, that is when it did strangle the 18- month-old child.

And, there is another really tragic headline in 2013. A 15-foot python escaped from its tank in New Brunswick, Canada, strangled two brothers,

ages 4 and 6 while they were asleep in their living room. So, it does happen --

PINSKY: Of course it happens.

SCHACHER: -- But it is also because the parents are not being responsible with the pet. They are not supervising it.

PINSKY: Kayleigh, you wanted to say something?

MCENANY: Yes, Mark. I completely disagree with you, though, that this is not reckless. I think allowing a child to be wrapped in a python, that is

reckless. You just heard the story Sam cited. I understand that there were extenuating circumstances, that python was not fed, but this is

reckless. Look at that picture. This is reckless.

PINSKY: I am going to find out. Well, Anahita, last thoughts.

EIGLARSH: Well, what you do not --

SEDAGHATFAR: I was just going to say, I get that he wanted --

EIGLARSH: Hold on. What she does not know -- I want to respond.

PINSKY: Go.

EIGALARSH: I got to respond.

PINSKY: Go.

EIGLARSH: That snake, that specific snake was raised since it came out of the egg by this family. So, fact specifically, this specific snake is not

one that is likely to harm anyone --

PINSKY: I do not know that is true. Anahita, last thought.

SEDAGHATFAR: I was going to say, I understand what this man is point was. He wanted to send a message that not all snakes are dangerous. That you

can have a snake as a pet, but I do not think this was the way to do it. Even though this did go viral. It captured people`s attention. We are

talking about it now. But, why even take the chance?

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, the baby`s father, whom we are discussing here, as Sam have mentioned, he is a snake handler. I do not know, maybe

he has equipment that can paralyze the snake all of a sudden and make him - - somehow make him not dangerous to the child if he becomes threatening at some way. He is going to defend his actions.

And, later, we are getting personal with what happens with women during sex. We will explain. It is a hash tag that is trending tonight. I will

explain #notpee. Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Alisa. Is that a snake? Are you playing with a snake?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: In this video I was showing the simple fact that snakes are not evil creatures. They can be a loving pet despite of

their bad reputation. When people see this clip, they mostly react with fear or negativity. And, I do not understand why.

Because as you can see, the snake is just roaming around. It has no interest in biting her or choking her or swallowing her. Do not judge

based on fear or something you do not understand. Snakes can be and are loving animals.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam and our behavior bureau; Emily Roberts, Psychotherapist; Danine Manette, Criminal Investigator, author of "Ultimate

Betrayal," and Wendy Walsh, Clinical Psychologist and author of "30-Day Love Detox.

We are talking about a video of that baby girl playing with a 13-foot Burmese Python named, cute, Naynay, has a Michigan father with three under

fire. We will talk to him in just a second. But, first, Sam, what are we hearing in Facebook?

SCHACHER: Oh my Gosh, dr. Drew, when we posted this story this morning, within a half an hour we had over 500 comments. And, even though pythons

are not venomous, some of our viewers are spewing venom.

For example, Tony writes, quote, "I say take the dad`s pants off and let the snake make it, so (EXPLECITIVE WORD) dad does not have kids again.

Some people need to be sterilized and seriously really f-ing idiot." Janet writes, "Oh my God, snakes are not capable of emotion. They are not loving

pets. This child is in danger not only from the snake but from idiot parents.

PINSKY: And, I am getting a blast live on twitter. I got @SCserpents: "Are you kidding me, this is not child abuse?" You are an idiot, meaning

me.

SCHACHER: OK.

PINSKY: And, then somebody saying, this is Fox News fan, "Terrible hypocrisy. You flipped out on the unloaded gun story but a snake wrapping

itself around a baby is OK." Danine, what say you?

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: You know, this is so gross to me. I guess it is coming from my inner place of yuck. So, I just cannot stand

snakes. You know --

PINSKY: But, that is his point. He is trying to get you over that a little bit.

SCHACHER: Yes.

MANETTE: I get that. It is just to me, it is just so disgusting. And, I understand that he, you know, been working with snakes for 15 years. I

have been working with criminals for 25 and I am not going to let them roll around in the floor with my kids.

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PINSKY: All right, point taken. Danine -- Danine, always bringing it. Emily, there is python and children, you let your child roll around with a

python?

EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: No. I am going to call CPS. Are you kidding me? This is very, very dangerous. That tweet that was a couple

back about it being -- snakes do not have emotions. They do not.

Scientifically, we know this. That is why we call this part of our brain the reptilian brain because it responds and it acts in a way that is fight

or flight or freeze. Right? You put this baby with a snake that could potentially kill it. I mean this is so beyond me. It really is. I would

definitely call CPS.

PINSKY: And, Sam did not --

WENDY WALSH, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Dr. Drew --

PINSKY: -- hang on one second, Wendy. You are next. Sam, did not CPS get out there and investigate this?

SCHACHER: Yes. They did not feel that he was -- first of all, this whole guy`s world has been flipped upside down. People accusing of him being a

bad parent, CPS getting involved investigating, but they did not deem him to be an unfit parent.

PINSKY: All right. So, CPS -- but Wendy, we have certainly heard plenty of stories -- we have reported plenty of stories where CPS went out and did

nothing and a week later we have a dead child.

SCHACHER: Right. And, how many stories have we had in the news in the last couple years about toddlers and babies being squished by snakes? But,

I will say this, forget about talking about the psychology of the snake, Dr. Drew. Let us talk about the psychology of the baby.

Children need to be thought to stay away from dangers, whether it is a loaded gun or a pit bull or a snake. They need to be told that this is

dangerous, do not go near. This little toddler could be out somewhere in the garden and see a poisonous snake and rock up and play with it, because

now --

PINSKY: Unless you are Danine, you evolved the fear of snakes.

WALSH: We have evolved.

PINSKY: It is in her reptilian brain to be afraid of reptiles.

WALSH: But, they are taking away mother nature`s perfect plan --

PINSKY: Maybe. Maybe.

WALSH: -- which is that fear of snakes.

PINSKY: Danine, you want to say something here?

MANETTE: Yes, you know, I have to think that as a parent, it could possibly be looked at as a parenting decision because I am not going to let

my kids go out and hunt.

WALSH: Danine.

MANETTE: I am serious. I am not going to let my kids go out and hunt. I am not going to let them mountain climb. But, other people do because they

do not see it as dangerous. To me this is gross.

PINSKY: Well, OK. Well, let me bring --

ROBERTS: This does not mean he is a bad parent.

PINSKY: Well, let me bring him in.

ROBERTS: He is like leaving the door open. I would --

PINSKY: Sure.

ROBERTS: I would do that, if the door was open and this kid -- this little baby had the ability to crawl outside, it is dangerous. And, in fact, it

is dangerous for other people in the house.

PINSKY: Well, let us hear for that -- hold on, Emily. Do not be carried away. Jamie Guarino is on the phone. His daughter, Alisa is right there

playing with the python. Jamie`s YouTube channel is called Snake Hunters T.V. And, Jamie, you have Facebook critics calling for everything from

your sterilization to your arrest.

They are very harsh. Let me start with this. If the snake -- and, thank you for joining us, by the way. If the snake starts to tighten up around

your child, do you have some mechanism or device that will stop the snake?

JAMIE GUARINO, FILMED BABY WITH PYTHON (Via Phone): No. There are no tools used to stop that, but snakes do not see humans as a food source. I

mean --

PINSKY: Ever?

GUARINO: I mean, humans do not smell like rabbits or mice or rats. So, they simply - captive-bred snakes do not see humans as a food source.

PINSKY: Well, what about the cases in Florida where kids -- 18-month-old was killed?

SCAHCHER: They were starving.

PINSKY: Yes, but, listen, I just heard from someone that the starvation may have been something the snakes do when they sense bigger prey around.

Whoa! They will not eat and then they get ready for the big one. Any of that accurate? Now, what about that case?

GUARINO: Well, I do not believe so. I have not heard of that case specifically. But, I just know snakes do not see humans as a food source.

And, I mean I would not starve my snakes or one because I care for all my animals as I do anyone does their dog or cat.

So, I did not hear that specific case. But, snakes just do not see humans as a food source. You know, they do not seek out to bite them or strangle

them.

PINSKY: Jamie, your daughter, Alisa, whom again was there -- I guess she is like 18-months-old or so there. She is now --

GUARINO: She is now was 14 months.

PINSK: OK. We have a recent Instagram that you posted. She is developing normally. She is great. Nothing going on there, right? She still likes

snakes.

GUARINO: Yes. She is awesome. She is a snake lover. I mean she can identify six to seven different species of my oldest daughter, Kristov,

which is 10, of her snakes. I mean she will come in the snake room there and be like, corn snake, milk snake, python, albino. It is just their

passion. For people to ridicule it -- you know, it really bothers me, because this is the passion. You know, I understand that they are not --

PINSKY: I do not know, Jamie, my son once tied a rope around his neck because -- when he was like 3 because he thought that would be -- this is

where you get the most traction to hang and swing from whatever he was trying to swing from. And, I can imagine him throwing the snake around his

neck and just a few seconds later, that snake could without trying to harm the child tighten up and that is that.

GUARINO: Well, if you have adult supervising. At that time, I was there - -

PINSKY: But, Jamie -- Jamie, I thought you said you cannot stop it once it starts to do that. That is what I am troubled by.

GUARINO: No -- yes -- No. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. That snake was not 13-foot long by the way. That got blown out of proportion by the

media. Snake was probably 9 foot, 25 pounds --

WALSH: Oh, only 9.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Way off.

ROBERTS: Are not you afraid that it might actually hurt your child?

PINSKY: Were you afraid?

ROBERTS: Are not you afraid that it might actually do what he just said, which is tighten up and maybe strangled your child even if you were there?

GUARINO: No, because --

ROBERTS: It is 9 feet or --

GUARINO: No. Let me explain you this. This snake has been around over 100 elementary presentations. I have taken it to schools, everything from

kindergarten to 6th grade and interacted with children, and they love it.

To see the happy looks on their faces, it just makes me so happy. And, you know, I got to open up my eyes. And, people have to open up their eyes to

this. I mean they can be, you know -- they can be cool pets. And, like I said, my snakes have been around tons of children. Nothing has happened.

PINSKY: Well, Jamie, I am sure you are surprised that the energy that is being directed your way. So, good luck. Stay away from social media. I

am sure you do not want to read what people say. And, we appreciate you sharing this with us and your thoughts.

Here is what I think. I am very concerned about this. I certainly do not want anyone else out there trying this. One person doing this is certainly

plenty. You heard him said, if the snake starts to tighten up, there is no way to stop it. That in of itself is an issue as far as I am concerned.

That is putting a child in a situation that is treacherous. Say what you want as Mark did about being around big dogs, do not let your kids put

their face up to your dog`s mouth either. Do not let any of those things happen. I cannot go to the emergency room, see what is in there. There

will be a kid with a dog bite, I promise, on their face, not because the dog was bad because that is what dogs do.

Next up, a NASCAR driver accuses his ex of being a hired assassin. And, later, we are getting personal with woman about sex and female ejaculation

and a crazy hashtag. Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Stunning allegations seem made by two sides in a relationship gone bad. This woman says her ex-boyfriend, famous

NASCAR driver, Kurt Busch, assaulted her last year in his motor home. He denies it and says she is a scorned ex out to destroy his career.

Oh, and that she is also a trained assassin. He says he has proof in the form of a blood spattered evening gown and camouflage clothing. She says

he has a problem with alcohol and depression and needs help. Who is telling the truth?

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam. And, all I can say, "What, seriously?" This section is called seriously, a story hard that will be hard to believe

unless it were true.

We are talking about the ugly and bizarre breakup of famous NASCAR driver Kurt Busch and his girlfriend, 36-year-old, Patricia Driscoll. Anahita,

Mark, and Kayleigh are back with us. Sam, help me out with the time line on this.

SCHACHER: OK.

PINSKY: This is so bizarre.

SCHACHER: It reminds me of a lifetime movie, Dr. Drew, that of course sucks me in every Saturday like clock works. OK. So, last year is when

they broke up, in between two really big races, because according to Busch, Patricia was monopolizing his schedule at a time he needed to focus on

racing.

She alleges that he grabbed her by the throat in his motor home in September and slammed her against the wall -- her head against the wall

three times. OK? Now, that launched an investigation. That is still under way.

Now, on top of that, she is seeking a no contact order from a judge. The hearing has been going on this week. And, that is where Kurt Busch is

making allegations about her being a trained assassin, who he claims once left the house in camo, as you heard, and then returned in an evening gown

covered in blood.

PINSKY: And, of course -- What the hell? This is like the Americans or something. And, then of course, a friend who counseled these guys. There

are always lot of inconsistencies. Kurt said she was heartbroken at first and then she quote, "Set out to destroy him."

Same friend also said, she called him the night of the breakup and never mentioned having her head slammed in the wall. Another witness says she

never mentioned the slamming. Mark, you are representing Ms. Driscoll, how do we proceed? This is bizarre.

EIGLARSH: Oh, my God. I mean you abused me. Yeah, well, you are an assassin. I checked all the statutes, by the way, apparently, there is no

assassin get out of jail free card. I do not understand it all. I think that it is messy.

What I would suggest is she seems to be consistent is what I would argue to those that she spoke to about this domestic violence and his response was

not, I did not do it, apparently, or it was self-defense but, you rape me, for example, well you are not kind to puppies. It does not make sense.

PINSKY: Well, hang on, Mark. Kayleigh, you are a trained assassin, of course I smashed your head into the wall. Maybe, you are going to kill me.

MCENANY: That is very cruel, Dr. Drew.

EIGLARSH: Oh, that is not what he said. That is not what he said.

MCENANY: No. That is not what he said. But Kurt Busch needs to close his mouth, bottom line. Because every time he opens his mouth, it gets worse

and worse for him. This assassin story is ludicrous.

According to CNN, he said that she was an assassin for the U.S. government. That is highly implausible, one. And, in regards to the assault

allegations, he said he did not slam her head into the wall that he gently cupped her cheeks -- Come on. Kurt Busch, stop talking.

PINSKY: Oh my God! Anahita, any changes in what Kayleigh just said, just shut up?

SEDAGHATFAR: A lot of changes. Because, first of all, Dr. Drew, look, I do not know who is telling the truth. But, based on the reports that I

read, this woman has apparently changed her story numerous times. He claims she is a scorned ex-girlfriend and she is doing this to get revenge

because he dumped her.

And, ultimately, guess what? It does not even matter if she is or is not a trained assassin. The point the defense is trying to make here and it is a

valid point -- is that she is a tough cookie. She is trained in the military. She know how to use guns. She is strong.

PINSKY: OK. Well --

SEDAGHATFAR: She is tough. There is no way she would be fearful of him.

PINSKY: Anahita -- hold on guys. Hold on.

EIGLARSH: Wait a second.

PINSKY: You wait a second. Wait a second. I have got video submitted to TMZ that the legal team submitted. It is a YouTube video. And, it is what

makes -- When I first heard this story, I thought he is psychotic. He got to be. He is paranoid. His girlfriend is some sort of weird commando.

Well, it turned out she has a YouTube video called "Pocket Commando." They submitted it as evidence. It was posted earlier this year. And, it shows

her demonstrating skills with guns. I have not seen it yet. Take a look.

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PATRICIA DRISCOLL, KURT BUSCH`S EX-GIRLFRIEND: I am not a regular mom. I do not drive a minivan, and I have two jobs on top of being his mom.

HOUSTO DRISCOLL, PATRICIA`S 10-YEAR-OLD SON: I am going to go get my gun.

PATRICIA DRISCOLL: No knives this time? There you go.

I am always very worried about moms not having the same position that I do about guns and playing with guns. I am commando mommy as far as he is

concerned. My dad taught me how to shoot. I was five growing up in west Texas.

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PINSKY: TMZ reports the video is produced to pitch her as a reality T.V. star. She calls herself commando mommy. Is there something more, Sam?

SCHACHER: Yes. OK. Dr. Drew, I became obsessed with this story earlier today and I read a lot of her interviews. And, she does -- I am not saying

I buy it, but it is not that outrageous. She does say that her grandfather was a spy. He inspired her to start this defense company, which she says

she cannot talk about because it is missions with the government.

PINSKY: Wow! Kayleigh, it is sounding more plausible.

EIGLARSH: Would you guys, stop?

PINSKY: Now, Mark, how dare you? Mark, come on, respond.

SEDAGHATFAR: Mark, shame on you. She cannot have it both ways, Dr. Drew. She is trying to pitch herself as this reality star, who is this kick ass -

- like military woman but then, "Oh my God he pushed me against the wall and injured me." --

SCHACHER: Hey! You can be a kickass person and if somebody beats you, still have every right to protect yourself.

PINSKY: Yes.

SEDAGHATFAR: It is not plausible. That is the point the defense is making. She is a big, tough girl. She could take him on with her skills

and strength.

PINSKY: OK. Wait. Wait. Here is what I want to do. I want to bring --

EIGLARSH: Can I respond?

PINSKY: Mark, last respond. Then I want to bring in some evidence. So, Mark, tell me how nuts I am.

(LAUGHING)

EIGLARSH: All right. First, I watched this video, and I would like those five minutes of my life back. OK?

PINSKY: For sure.

EIGLARSH: Second of all, even if she was an assassin, just for a moment, let us just say it was not part of her movie script, which apparently she

wrote and it mirrors -- you know that is what that was about. That does not give anyone the right to slam you against the wall.

PINSKY: That is right.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

PINSKY: Of course.

EIGLARSH: You did do something like that.

PINSKY: OK. But, I am still curious --

EIGLARSH: So, I do not understand what you are trying to prove here.

PINSKY: I am still curious. Well, I want to bring in a friend of the show. Kaj Larsen.

EIGLARSH: Yes.

PINSKY: He is a journalist and a former Navy Seal. He joins me by phone. Kaj, let me ask a couple of questions. Would an assassin ever put herself

on a reality show?

KAJ LARSEN, JOURNALIST/FMR. NAVY SEAL: That is highly unlikely, Drew --

PINSKY: OK.

LARSEN: -- Just like the idea that she is an assassin is highly unlikely.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: OK. OK. Fair enough. Did you see the video for handling weapons? Did she look like someone who is a professional in handling

weapons in a covert manner like that?

LARSEN: Look, covert except for the fact that it was on YouTube. I mean her actual tactics are hard to discern from a video like this.

PINSKY: OK.

LARSEN: You know, in terms of weapons handling, she is shooting on a static range and it is a static shoot. Her tactics are fine, although even

the cover shot on the video actually has her holding the magazine, which is something that we would not recommend because it is not a stable shooting

position. But, even if you are an excellent dynamic range shooter, an assassin that does not make you.

PINSKY: OK. And --

LARSEN: You know, I have the opportunity -- Yes.

PINSKY: Yes. Go ahead, please. Finish that, Kaj.

LARSEN: I had the opportunity to look up her company and some of the contracts that they actually are doing, which are public record. And,

those are things like providing petro services, providing fuel, providing logistical support for a variety of very benign government --

PINSKY: OK. Kaj, thank you. I really appreciate that. Sam, does that soften your enthusiasm for this?

SCHACHER: Yes. I mean I want to believe that she is an assassin, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: OK. Of course, you do. However -- I am personally offended that Mark is laughing at our contemplation of this man`s defense. Mark,

Anahita, I heard you do crazier stuff. I have heard slipperier slopes come out of your mouth that have been far more bizarre than this one. No?

EIGLARSH: Oh, gosh.

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. And, ultimately, it does not matter if she is or is not. The point is would she be someone that would be fearful of him?

Based on that video, Dr. Drew, it is highly unlikely.

PINSKY: See? That is a defense attorney.

EIGLARSH: That is the issue? Really, Anahita?

SEDAGHATFAR: That is a good defense attorney.

PINSKY: Kayleigh, last thought. Last though, Kayleigh.

MCENANY: It does make him look crazy. This woman is a defense contractor. Everything is explainable. So to claim that she is an assassin, it makes

you look crazy, Kurt Busch. Be quiet.

PINSKY: OK. Great point. For that reason, I will bring in the behavior bureau. What does Patricia Driscoll`s social profile reveal about her

looks on Twitter? And, later a study about female ejaculation has spun a hash tag, a bizarre hash tag that is trending. I will explain after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Kurt Busch`s ex-girlfriend is firing back after he alleged in court under oath that she is a trained government

assassin and would go on covert missions. Patricia Driscoll told ESPN she is worried about his mental state.

She says, all his claims are straight from the script she has been working on for the past seven years for a movie. Bush was testifying in court over

her request for a protection order. She has accused Busch of domestic assault, but he denies that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Two people in the situation. He said, she said.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam and the behavior bureau, Emily, Danine, Wendy. We are talking about the messy breakup of famous NASCAR driver, Kurt Busch,

his girlfriend -- former girlfriend, Patricia Driscoll. He says he assaulted her. He pushed her head into the wall. He denies it. He says

she is out to destroy his career. And, then in fact, she is a trained assassin. So, Wendy?

WALSH: Uh-huh?

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: OK. Here is my question. Psychotic, domestic abuser, both, neither?

WALSH: Who knows? It is a bit of everything. I think this is a feuding couple, Dr. Drew, who are using us the media to hammer out their blows. We

save the most sadistic parts of our personality for those we love the most.

And, if there is any message to anybody out there is that if you are a victim of domestic violence, you must call the police. You must document

it. You cannot wait until this stage and it becomes he says she says.

PINSKY: I do not know, Wendy. The message I heard was, please, Wendy, do not love me. That is all I am saying. But, Danine, I see trouble in your

eyes. What do you got? Drop it.

MANETTE: I do not know if she is an assassin. I do not know if he is an abuser. But what I do question is why it is that she is waited this long

to get an order of protection. The relationship is over. Usually you get an order protection when someone beats you up, you go out and get one that

same day or the next day. This has been well, you know, a long time ago. I am not understanding, why she is decided. Now is the time to get

protection.

PINSKY: Well, you work in the legal system. It makes a good case.

MANETTE: But, I am not hearing that he is stalking her. I am not hearing that he is doing anything to make her in danger right now.

PINSKY: No. She is so afraid --

MANETTE: But, why?

PINSKY: -- because he pushed her head into the wall.

MANETTE: What is he doing to make -- but that was a long time ago.

PINSKY: Well, there you go.

MCENANY: He had way too many fumes. It sounds like he has been on the track for far too long.

MANETTE: I thinks that this is character assassination.

PINSKY: And, Sam, I know you want this to be true. But, one of the things happen when people get -- I mean he is a strong -- I do not know this man.

I do not have a direct way to know exactly what is going on. P

eople get psychotic, they get delusional and start thinking that people around them are doing things and going to hurt them. And they get

paranoid. And, they can have very grandiose notions about what is about to happen to them.

SCHACHER: Yes, but she is not helping the situation, Dr. Drew. I am sorry. In all the interviews, she eludes to that fact. She goes, "Oh

yeah, I come from a family of spies. And, I cannot talk too much about it. And, I have a defense company and I cannot tell you what those missions

are."

But, listen, to Danine`s point, she did produce this YouTube video that you just saw that Mark wants his time back from. And, she reportedly made that

YouTube video to pitch a reality show.

So, maybe this all has to do with that. She also has 20,200 Twitter followers on Twitter. She describes herself as an author, a

philanthropist, an executive producer and president of the Armed Forces Foundation. That is another foundation. That is separate from the defense

company that she also own.

PINSKY: And, Emily, the people that knew them described her as a puppeteer, somebody who is very controlling with him, telling him what to

do, when to do it. He had -- these are friends say that he had a, quote, "Temper." But, she did not think -- this observer did not think he was

capable of physical abuse. Emily.

MCENANY: I think she -- I think both of them are ever capable of physical abuse, obviously. I think that also -- I mean he was really -- he was

damaged. He was really sad. But, this woman -- I have a weird feeling about her. I have to say.

And, I do not want to say anything if she is a spy. Geez. But, the truth of the matter is that she really could -- like there is some media

hungriness here and her ego is bruised and his ego is bruised. But, I really, really, sdo not think that either one of them are mentally that

equipped in handling this. They are kind of using this --

PINSKY: Yes, Emily. Yes. And, here is what I think. I agree with Emily wholeheartedly that there is something going down on both sides. The fact

that she -- she wanted to be in the media, be in a reality show. What is going on there? And, all these claims and the restraining order long after

this alleged accident -- this domestic violence occurred.

He alleging in a sort of -- sounds like delusional fashion. I do not know if it is some sort of strategy the attorney has put him up to, but It

sounds delusional when you say, "This woman I have been living with is a secret agent." That is what it is. It gets smart. She has a shoe in her

phone. I know it and she can kill me. Very bizarre. Let us move on.

Something serious. Serious sex talk about women and what happens in their bodies in the bedroom. There is a new research that is out that has caused

a hash tag. It caused a little bit of a wave in social media.

And, I would suggest your younger folks leave the room now. This is going to be very explicit conversation about human biology. And, a reminder, you

can find us any time on Instagram. Follow us @Drhln. We are back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Women online are outraged at a study that claims their orgasms are not what they think they are. Researchers found

that women who ejaculate during sex actually have an involuntary emission of urine. Women were so furious with the findings. They took to Twitter

to debunk that theory, posting their own sexual experiences with pictures to prove it.

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam. And, this is a segment we called TMI, if that was not already obvious. Too much information. We sharing too much with

people we do not know, especially when it comes to intimate details. Sam, explain why the #notpee -- I cannot make this up.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Why #notpee is trending?

SCHACHER: OK. So, I know I have seen it on Twitter and I was like what is this? Well, the women are taking issue with this study, Dr. Drew that

claims that when women expel a lot of fluid that it is in fact urine. That is what the study is claiming.

So, women have taken to Twitter, using this hash tag so that they can share their experiences of female ejaculation. OK? Some even shared

photographs. I cannot share with you those photographs. OK?

PINSKY: That is good. We have lots of tweets too. We cannot show those either because they are a little explicit. But, let us get to my panel.

Joining us Jason Ellis, SiriusXM Radio Host, author of "The Awesome Guide To Life." Emily Roberts, still with us, psychotherapist. Chanel Preston

is an adult entertainer, host of "Naked With Chanel." Emily, why -- why is it such a mystery for people that there has to be all this confusion around

it?

ROBERTS: I think that we do not talk about it enough. I think we talk about male ejaculation but not female ejaculation. But, also, can we talk

about the fact that seven people were in the study? Seven people does not make a study.

That is a like a line at Starbucks. OK? We need more people to make this a study. Come on. Let us get real here, guys. The only reason this is

actually like in the news is because it had female ejaculation on it.

PINSKY: It is a great point. Now, Jason, I think your point is because it has been known there is different things that go on here. As we always say

with women, it is the flight deck of a 747 and every plane is different. Men are like just sort of a single lever or button.

JASON ELLIS, SIRIUSXM RADIO HOST: Yes. You know what it is when it is a guy. That is for sure.

PINSKY: Yes.

ELLIS: With a girl, for me, the radio show I have porn stars and I follow a lot of them on Twitter and Instagram. And, there are two versions to me.

Sound affect-wise, I probably do not think I will do that.

PINSKY: No. Please.

ELLIS: There is more of a squirt like a -- if it is a stream.

PINSKY: Stream.

ELLIS: Stream is a pee thing. But, then the other one is more of sort of a spray thing. But, that one has happened to me in a hotel room and then

the next day the hotel told me that they are going to charge me because there is pee in the hotel room.

PINSKY: OK.

ELLIS: Which means that --

CHANEL PRESTON, ADULT ENTERTAINER: There is two holes.

PINSKY: Hold on.

ELLIS: It is mixed together.

PINSKY: OK. Possibly. I will tell you my opinion in a minute. Chanel --

PRESTON: Yes.

PINSKY: What is your opinion?

PRESTON: Well, I know as far as performance goes, there are women that do pee voluntarily in scenes. And, that is more for like dramatic effect.

PINSKY: Are they pretending to do something else?

ELLIS: Yes. Extreme.

PINSKY: No. But, are they claiming that is something else or they are just --

PRESTON: Of course, they are claiming it is squirt, it is ejaculate.

PINSKY: OK.

PRESTON: But, some women do feel like they are ejaculating and it is not urine. But, there are some that know that it is urine.

PINSKY: Emily, I see you making signs at the camera.

ROBERTS: You cannot pee out of your vagina. You cannot pee out of your vagina. That is not possible.

PINSKY: All right.

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SCHACHER: Dr. Drew -- it is impossible. Dr. Drew, you know this. You have to know this. Is it possible for a woman to ejaculate or is it urine?

PINSKY: All right, from the medical perspective as I understand it -- this study was actually not -- although it was too small. It was not a bad

study. It shows there was involuntary bladder constriction to some women, who said they had this pre-electrum. And, we used to call that -- That was

called female orgasmic incontinence, that occurs. There is no doubt about that. That is usually a very, very large volume.

And, it is differentiated from what it is used to be called female ejaculation, which was caused by a gland, a peri-urethral gland, which if

you look at under the microscope, looks identical to the male prostate. And, the prostate is what creates the male fluids as well. So, it is the

same fluid by the same gland that is structure the same, and physiologically the same.

And, some people for some people that is a very active gland. For other people, not so much. Now, the scientists in the media who are reporting

this finding -- people are claiming that it is somehow invalidating the study. My question Emily is, what difference does it make? Do you people

have a variety of responses. Why do people have to feel shame in response to their body?

ROBERTS: I think women for a long time have had a lot of shame around the female orgasm. There is studies that say it does not exist or people out

there saying it does not exist because it is not as like you said before streamlined as the male orgasm.

Sometimes you cannot tell. And, there is ego around that, too for men. They like to please a woman or a woman to another woman. It has been --

there is shame I think because we do not talk about it enough and we should be talking about it.

PINSKY: Well, we are talking about it. I got to say, it feels uncomfortable, Jason, to talk about this on television. And, I hope we are

doing the right thing by doing it, because it is something that has been hot on social media. What do you say?

ELLIS: I think that even if there is a little bit of pee, and everyone should just get over it, as long as everybody is enjoying themselves, that

is the main thing.

PINSKY: Well, that was my point, Sam. Why does it makes a difference?

SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, women are upset, because they do not feel like that it is urine. OK.

PINSKY: So what?

ELLIS: It has a little bit in it.

SCHACHER: Wait. Hold on. But, these women, because I have been reading tweets all day. You guys are saying, so what? It is affecting them. They

do not believe it is urine. So, Dr. Drew, is it urine or is it a different type of fluid?

PINSKY: It is different in different --

SCHACHER: You still have not really answer the question.

PINSKY: I did. I absolutely did. I said it is different in different people. For some women it is a mix. For some women, it is --

SCHACHER: OK. So, that will make them feel better.

PINSKY: It is. And, as Emily point out in the beginning, the study is so small, that is why you are only seeing this one cohort, which is probably

the biggest cohort, Jason.

SCHACHER: Right.

PRESTON: I think that women are very protective of their sexual functions. So, it makes sense that they would want to say, is this urine or is it not?

And, I understand the curiosity around it because it is intriguing and interesting. And, I want to know what is going on with my body.

But, ultimately, I feel like it is kind of creating the shame around it. Because it is just pee and you are supposed to pee in the privacy in your

own home -- it is a private thing. So, woman feel ashamed like, "Oh, I do not want to pee during sex."

PINSKY: OK.

PRESTON: So, I think along with the study, I feel like there should be some praise about our sexual function like this is OK. This is normal and

fine.

PINSKY: It is OK. And, in fact, Jason, we are the two XY chromosomes on panel. I do not want to invalidate with the women`s feeling --

SCHACHER: Do you mean guys, Dr. Drew?

ELLIS: Oh, yeah.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: Say guys. Guys, males.

PINSKY: But, Jason, it is hard for me to understand -- again, without being insensitive or invalidating. It is hard for me to understand, they

feel shame about this. It is a function --

ROBERTS: I think, ultimately --

PINSKY: Go ahead, Jason.

ELLIS: I do not think it is -- I think it is -- guys do not think it is as bad as girls think it is. I think girls think if there is pee in it we are

like, that is it. I think to me it is very -- the porn industry might confuse it a little bit with the fake ones.

But if you are having an orgasm, then you are having one. I do not believe any girl fakes it when things come out. It does not matter how much --

think about when a man does it, it comes out of the same thing. How is there not a little bit of pee in all of it?

ROBERTS: But, men have a notorious --

PINSKY: Men what, Emily?

ROBERTS: Yes, but regardless, men notoriously have been able to talk about their sexual -- you know what they are doing. I am trying to find the

right word here out loud. And, women have been shamed for so long, you know, masturbation and having sex and having an orgasm has been shamed for

so long in popular culture.

Now, we are just now talking about it. And, it is important because a lot of women have a hard time actually reaching an orgasm. So to be able to

talk about it and validate the women who are able to have orgasms --

ELLIS: You, guys, really deserve to be able to ejaculate, really.

PINSKY: All right.

SCHACHER: I think too that women --

ELLIS: You deserve it.

PINSKY: Hang on, guys. We will take a quick break here and then in keeping with Emily`s desire that we diminish shame and diminish stigma, we

will continue this conversation. Tweet us @drdrewhln.

And, if you would like more HLN, you can take us live wherever you go. You can get HLN to go. It is an app available for Apple products and Android

devices. And, we are back after this.

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Jason, Emily and Chanel. And, we want to know, is this TMI? And, by the way, reminder to keep the young people --

this is an adult conversation, to keep the youngsters out of the room. I have a feeling TMI will generally be a sign that you should take little

ones out.

Women are posting about their sexual activities, sometimes with pictures. It has created a hash tag. They are angry about a study that concluded

that women who ejaculated during sex are actually expelling urine.

Now, Emily, during that last block, brought up an interesting point that really the issue here is about shame and stigma about woman and their

sexuality, generally. I will start out with Chanel, I think I want to broaden out this conversation to that particularly. I mean what is it that

in this day and age women are still feeling that way?

PRESTON: I think in general people do not associate urine with sex, whereas people do associate male ejaculation with sex. So, when you

urinate during sex, it makes women maybe uncomfortable and also confused.

PINSKY: But Chanel, but the regular -- why go right into shame and stigma? Why are they likely to collapse in a day when women should feel empowered

and more comfortable talking about these things? Why collapse into shame and discomfort?

PRESTON: Unfortunately, it almost seems like a default for women at times. And, I think even though it is slowly changing, women do not feel

necessarily the freedom to explore themselves sexually.

PINSKY: Listen, there is a lot packed into what he said. Sam, it is their default position. Do you agree with that, that women easily fall into

that?

SCHACHER: Yes. Dr. Drew, yes, yes, yes. And, this is what is frustrating. Listen, I feel uncomfortable talking about it. Why? Why is

it so much easier to talk about male ejaculation?

And, what is really interesting, the U.K. just this December, they banned female ejaculation. Are they banning male ejaculation? No. They are not.

So, there is a shame when it comes to females and their sexuality.

PINSKY: Emily.

ROBERTS: We have been conditioned -- I think as a society we have been conditioned through porn, through everything, through what we see, what we

hear in Sex Ed, even we do not talk about this in Sex Ed. It is not brought up in Sex Ed --

PINSKY: Yes. But, Emily, you brought up the bigger issue of women and Chanel articulated it nicely by saying women just have a default of feeling

uncomfortable and ashamed. And, is it society at large? Is it something about the construct of being a woman? What is that?

ROBERTS: I think we have been conditioned to see that men are allowed to do this and talk about it for so many women. And for women to talk about

it, they see it as women see it as almost embarrassing, because they do not talk about it enough. Right? We are not having this conversation on how

to have this happen.

SCHACHER: There is a lot of slut shaming too, Dr. Drew. I hate that.

ROBERTS: That is the point.

SCHACHER: I see that on social media all the time. There is a lot of slut shaming. You do not see that with guys or with males.

ELLIS: I think a lot of girls talk about it and a lot of girls say how dare they talk about it. I know girls that are OK with it. I feel like

there is two women here. How dare we discuss this?

And, the other one is like, I know a lot of women talk to other women about it all the time. I think now hearing you guys speak about it that I feel

sorry for girls that they would have to hide any of this to anyone.

PINSKY: As usual, it is the man that has done it. It is your fault. You have shamed them and you made them feel bad about it.

SCHACHER: No.

ROBERTS: No. It is not your fault. It is not his fault. It is not his fault at all. We have been conditioned to see -- guys do this more than

girls. You know?

PINSKY: Well, but you are talking about this specifically. But, Chanel made a very powerful statement saying that women default to shame and

discomfort on these topics, and I think she is right. I think you just go there.

ROBERTS: Yes.

PINSKY: But here is what I think. I think that in fact that she is on to something there. We are not going to be able to unpack that completely

this evening. But, I think it is time to be aware that maybe that is your default position and do not do that. You do not have do that. Do not fall

into your default.

And, we have known about this physiology for a long time. This is not new news. Most of it is the way the study found, but some of it is from that

periurethral gland that I mentioned earlier.

So, do not feel ashamed. It is not all what the hash tag says it is. Hash tag sort of is right, in fact. DVR us then you can watch us anytime. Jack

Veil, Offline is next.

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