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New Video Released of Paris Terror Attack; More Women Waging Jihad; New Issue of "Charlie Hebdo" Depicts Muhammad; U.S. Police Travel to Paris to Show Respect

Aired January 13, 2015 - 14:30   ET

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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Welcome back, everyone. John Berman, live in Paris.

We are getting a dramatic new look at the attacks that happened just behind me at the offices of "Charlie Hebdo." A new video, amateur video just released that shows the aftermath of this attack. The Kouachi brothers getting into their getaway car, driving off, and firing. Look at this.

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BERMAN: You can clearly see them firing at the police car as they drive off. Earlier, you could hear them clearly shouting, "We have avenged the Prophet Muhammad."

So what else does this dramatic new view tell us about the attack and the attackers?

I'm joined by former CIA operative and CNN national security analyst, Bob Baer.

What jumps out to you? The first thing that jumped out to me is they seem to be the only two guys in the car. When this attack first happened, a lot of people thought there was a driver perhaps taking them away. It certainly doesn't look like there was anyone else in the car to me.

BOB BAER, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: No. I think they were the lone attackers, the two of them.

What strikes me about this, John, is the military training. I've trained a lot of these people. They've clearly been in a situation where they've been -- had to counter live fire. If not on the battlefield, at least in training. Their ability to take weapons, a small grouping, against a police car of shots. A weapon gets jammed, they unjammed it. They had training in a war zone, which is what concerns the French and the Europeans, as it should concern us.

BERMAN: There was almost an eerie calm in the way they operated. Not to mention the fact they were heavily armed, seemingly with much more manpower than the police had. Not even clear to me how much fire the police got off. That is a concern here, Bob. Sources tell me there is a concern that even with the increased police presence, that the police walking the streets here in Paris are not equipped to deal with this kind of seemingly planned attack.

BAER: Not at all. I mean, even with the police carrying automatic weapons, which they are now in Paris, it's not enough to deter a surprise attack. These people have military tactics that can only be countered with military tactics. And the French simply are not prepared for a second attack like this. Nor are the American police. The police are trained defensively. How to keep violence down. They are trained to move fast, aggressively, and on the offense, which is something -- which makes this attack so surprising and disturbing for everybody.

BERMAN: And, Bob, we did also see the beginning, a man holding his finger up in the air, the one, before he got in the car. One of the terrorists holding up that sign, there was some speculation they were signaling someone in this vicinity here. There was also talk that that's a common symbol among jihadi groups.

BAER: It is. It's symbolic for an Arabic law, there's only one god. And it's the unity of God. That means there are no other valid religions. It's al Qaeda's symbol. They get to interpret who's a true Muslim and who is not.

BERMAN: Question is, who were they making that symbol to? Was it someone watching or to be the world for after the attacks? That's an unanswered question at this point.

Bob Baer, thank you so much. Great to have you with us.

Brooke, back to you.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Berman, the men in this video, the gunmen, but there are also the women, the women who feel this need to wage so-called jihad.

If there is one woman that French police want to find right now, it's Hayat Boumeddiene. She's the girlfriend of the terrorist who held up that kosher grocery store in Paris. This video shows her arriving in Turkey days before the deadly terror attacks. She may be this latest high-profile woman in a troubled trend, women joining jihad against the West.

Here's another. Remember this one? Colleen LaRose (ph), 46-year-old from Pennsylvania, better known as Jihad Jane. She traveled to Europe back in 2009 to scope out an attack on a Swedish artist who drew a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad. She's not alone. Two women in Europe also played a role in terror

operations, one in a suicide bombing in 2005, another who stabbed a British politician of his support of the Iraq war.

I want to talk more about this with Frida Ghitis, a world affairs columnist from "The Miami Herald." She joins me from Atlanta.

Frida, good to see you.

FRIDA GHITIS, WORLD AFFAIRS COLUMNIST, THE MIAMI HERALD & CNN OPINION CONTRIBUTOR: Good to be back. Thank you.

BALDWIN: Women wanting to wage jihad, from what I've read, this is relatively recent, maybe in the last four years of the Syrian war. My question is, are these terror networks, are they actively seeking out women? Are they more assuming -- unassuming, I should say, to authorities?

GHITIS: ISIS is actively seeking to recruit women. They have a social network that is dedicated specifically at enticing women. But they are looking for them not to take on combat roles for the most part. They want to have more support roles.

BALDWIN: That's interesting. And you said ISIS has specifically crafted a website just for women? Why? What is the allure for these women?

GHITIS: Well, there's a benefit to is, and there's an attraction for the women themselves. ISIS considers that bringing Western women makes them look really good. If women are turning away from the West to join this jihadi ideology, it makes ISIS gain some points in the view of its potential supporters. They also want women to be wives for their fighters.

You know, when I'm watching these images here with you, I'm looking at Hayat Boumeddiene with this -- holding a weapon, a cross bow, while she's completely covered. My thought is that she considers herself a jihadi who is going to be in full combat with ISIS, but that is not what most jihadi groups want from women. You can't miss the irony of women going to join this organization, this ideology that is really so hostile to women when --

BALDWIN: Right.

GHITIS: They do it for the same reasons that men join jihad. They want to be part of the something big, part of something that seems very meaningful. Like most people, especially young people, they want to change the world. They want to be part of something greater than themselves. But when women participate in this, the irony is so sharp because this is a group that has horrific ideas about women.

BALDWIN: Well, I can think of much better ways to change the world, Frida.

On your point, this is what Peter Bergen recently wrote. He wrote, "It's a strange kind of jihadist equal opportunity. You, too, can be a part of the holy war that seeks to install a Taliban-style utopia that will ensure you can never have a job or get an education."

When you hear about these jihad brides, if they're not actively working in combat, what are they doing?

GHITIS: Well, in some of the ISIS-held territories in Syria, for example, women have their own groups, organizations that are in charge of enforcing social rules, dress rules, a lot of the norms that have been imposed on women that are based on this ultra extremist view of Islam. For women who might be thinking that is a lifestyle they would like, I would suggest they take a look at what life was like for the women in Afghanistan when the Taliban were in power there. It was not exactly a happy time. They had the highest suicide rates in the world for women.

I think it's also worth pointing out that the fight against jihadis, against ISIS is also being led by women. You and I talked before about the women of Kobani, the Kurdish women --

BALDWIN: That's right.

GHITIS: -- who make up about a third of the force that is fighting against Kobani and has actually dealt ISIS the first major defeat of its campaign.

BALDWIN: We talked so much about the women fighting for the good guys but not as much this side.

Frida Ghitis, always an incredible wealth of knowledge for all of us. Appreciate you coming on very much. Talk next time.

Next, "Charlie Hebdo's" new magazine, new edition out today, out to millions. And it shows the Prophet Muhammad once again.

And in some very emotional moments earlier today, we are also hearing from the surviving cartoonist, one of whom penned this cartoon on the cover.

Stay right here. You're watching CNN.

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BALDWIN: Quick sports note. The first ever college football playoff national championship last night. The bucks beat the Ducks. Yes, the Ohio State University Buckeyes won the game and the title, 42-20, over the Oregon Ducks. Critics said Ohio State didn't deserve a place in the playoff. Alas, the Buckeyes proved them wrong as they won the title game and the trophy.

Back in 60 seconds.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just like six weeks ago, he didn't like me. Crazy.

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BERMAN: "Charlie Hebdo's" latest cover does exactly what the terrorists did not want, it shows a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad.

Now, CNN, as you probably know, has decided not to air a picture of that cover, but soon three million copies of the new issue will hit the streets. Some of the first batches have already been seen. The cover shows Muhammad holding a sign that says, "Je suis Charlie," "I am Charlie." That's a message you can find everywhere now in the city of France. It has unified the city and the world since the terrorists massacred 12 people last week here at the magazine. Above Muhammad's head on the cover it reads, "All is forgiven." And in Muhammad's eye, there is a tear.

The cartoonist who drew the cover seemed to get very emotional as he described how he came up with this notion. It wasn't easy.

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RENALD LUZIER, CARTOONIST, CHARLIE HEBDO (through translation): I looked at it and he was crying. And then above I wrote, "Everything is forgiven," and then I cried and that was the cover page. We'd found the cover page. We had finally got this wretched cover page, and it was our own cover page. It wasn't the cover page the terrorists wanted to produce. There are no terrorists. There is just a man who is crying, and that's Muhammad. I'm sorry, we've drawn him again, but the Muhammad that we've drawn is above all a man that cries.

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BERMAN: That was the cartoonist known as Booze. I was at that news conference. It was incredibly emotional. A high level of security to get in. When the people who drew the magazine walked in, there was applause from many members of the press there.

I'm joined here in Paris by CNN's senior media correspondent, Brian Stelter.

Brian, thanks so much for being with us.

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT & CNN HOST, RELIABLE SOURCES: Thank you.

BERMAN: Brian, we talked a lot about the cover. We saw them hold up the magazine at that news conference. Now you have your hands on an actual version. What's inside?

STELTER: It'll hit newsstands here overnight in the next few hours. We've seen an online copy of it. We've had a number of French speakers reading it for us. I think one of the most poignant quotes on the second page, it says, "Charlie has a lot of new friends this week." That feels like it sums up the mood of this city. It is much like the magazine the people either loved or hated before. It has equal opportunity derision of religions of all stripes. I see jokes and critiques directed at the pope, but certainly also at the Prophet Muhammad and extremist forms of Islam.

For example, there's a sexually explicit image of a woman in a burqa, lifting up her dress. That's going to get some attention. There are also jokes about the 772 virgins idea. There are a lot of barbs in different directions that will probably get a lot of attention. There's also -- one of the few English illustrations is a "Keep calm and Charlie on" message.

BERMAN: It's very interesting. They take note of the moment.

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BERMAN: They don't ignore the significance of what happens, but they also go back to what they have always done, which is to offend a lot of people quite intentionally.

STELTER: A lot of conversation about the attack and impacts of the attack, but it's not an obituary issue. There are not blank pages to signify what's been lost. Instead, what there are, are unpublished cartoons from some of the slain cartoonists.

BERMAN: A great point. Not blank pages but full pages. That's an even bigger tribute.

And, Brian, they're putting this out tonight, tomorrow. Then they're going to take two weeks to get themselves really ready to go for the future.

STELTER: Yeah, and I think part of that time will be spent with funerals. We heard from the editor of "Liberation" today after that news conference.

BERMAN: The offices now that "Charlie Hebdo" is working at now.

STELTER: They've been getting a lot of help from that newspaper. They say that's not just one week's worth of support. They'll be there for this magazine through the duration. They said for the century, if they need. They want to help. And they're not the only ones. A lot of people, whether they agree with the politics of the magazine, whether they agree with the ideology or not, do want to help them out.

BERMAN: Three million copies hit the streets. I do anticipate lines at newsstands tomorrow. I know, Brian, you'll be at more than one of them.

STELTER: By the way, I think it'll come out in the United States in some form. We're working on the details. I bet some folks back home are curious to see it, too.

BERMAN: They're talking about releasing it in many languages.

Brian Stelter --

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BERMAN: Terrific. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

Brooke, let's go back to you in New York.

BALDWIN: Many languages, including Arabic.

Gentlemen, thank you very much.

Coming up next here on CNN, police officers from the United States travelled to France to pay their respects to the victims and those survivors of the "Charlie Hebdo" attack. You'll hear from them next in Paris.

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BALDWIN: Two nations joined today by common grief as victims from the terror attacks in France were laid to rest, four of them Jews, murdered in the attack at the kosher grocery store were buried in Israel. In France, mourners paid their final respects to three officers shot and killed in that rampage last week. Two were killed at the "Hebdo" magazine office, and the third lost her life in a Paris suburb.

Some U.S. police officers made that trip to France to pay their respects.

Our Jim Sciutto spoke with one officer from Washington, D.C.

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UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: I think it's a real tragedy. I think law enforcement all over the world is grieving for the French, and this isn't a problem just for France. It's not a problem just for Europe. It's a global problem. We need to come together even stronger than we are today to weed it out and prevent it from occurring.

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BALDWIN: Still ahead, developing right now, this dramatic chilling new video of the Paris terrorists in action on the day they attacked the offices there at "Charlie Hebdo." You'll see their getaway.

And a new wrinkle in the al Qaeda playbook involving homemade bombs and passenger planes. How U.S. airports are already reacting.

Stay right here.

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