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Hackers Shut Down North Korea's Internet; Boko Haram Releases Video Showing Mass Executions; Leading Women: Jane Fraser; Bring Back Our Girls Movement; German Author Visits Heart of ISIS Territory; A Decade of Recovery After Boxing Day Tsunami

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MANISHA TANK, HOST: Hi, I'm Manisha Tank in Hong Kong. A warm welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet.

Have North Korea been hacked? The country suffered the widescale internet outage after being blamed for a cyber attack on Sony Pictures.

Plus, Australia's prime minister warns of terrorist chatter as victims of last week's hostage siege are laid to rest.

And a decade since the Boxing Day tsunami devastated Asia, lessons learned from that tragedy to save lives today.

We begin this hour with more internet trouble in North Korea. The country's service is apparently still spotty after a total outage that

lasted more than nine hours.

The website of the state-run news agency is said to be down and some experts say the outage may have been caused by an attack.

It comes during rising tensions between Pyongyang and the U.S.

Well, we are covering this story from all angles and across two continents. Our Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr joins us live from

Washington. And Kyung Lah is standing by in Seoul, South Korea.

Good to have you both.

But Barbara, let's start with you. Many are wondering that -- whether or not the U.S. is behind this outage in North Korea?

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, good day to you Manisha. Here in Washington, the Obama administration is being very coy,

saying nothing about who may be responsible for the outages in North Korea, but that's not to say that the administration isn't thinking about what it

wants to do next.

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STARR: After the Sony attack, the Pentagon moved quickly, CNN has learned, beefing up its own cyber defense against North Korea. Now the

Pentagon is looking into a number of classified options to quickly identify and defend against any future attempts by North Korea to hack into military

computer systems. At the same time the military is preparing options for the president to consider.

REAR ADMIRAL JOHN KIRBY, PENTAGON SPOKESMAN: We're part of the inter- agency discussion about the incident and about options that may be available.

STARR: And a military cyber response will be coordinated with the FBI, which is leading the investigation.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We take it very seriously. We will respond proportionally, as I said.

STARR: One potential, an offensive U.S. military cyber attack on North Korea's limited online capabilities, but it may be tough.

BRUCE KLINGNER, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: We know from defectors from this unit, which is called Bureau 121, or unit 121, that they have 3,000, 5,000

cyber warriors. They operate out of China, Singapore, Europe as well as using computer nodes throughout the world.

STARR: Oddly, experts who track online outages around the world are reporting internet routes into North Korea since Sunday have been down. No

one is yet saying this is a U.S. counterattack.

Pyongyang, not giving up on its fiery rhetoric saying, "our toughest counteraction will be boldly taken against the White House, the Pentagon,

and the whole U.S. mainland, the cesspool of terrorism."

There are other U.S. options such as more sanctions and putting North Korea back on the list of countries sponsoring terrorism.

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STARR: Since you keep hearing the president and other officials used the word proportional response is the U.S. is always concerned that it not

do anything that would provoke even greater retaliation by North Korea. There's very little understanding of the decision making inside that Korean

regime, so a lot of concern that any response by the U.S. doesn't set off even more tensions -- Manisha.

TANK: Yeah, a lot of concern, Barbara, and still so many questions. Barbara Starr at the Pentagon, thank you very much for that.

Well, let's take it over to Kyung Lah now in Seoul. And Kyung, let's be honest, when it comes to communications in the first place that's never

been the North Korean regime's forte.

KYUNG LAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: No. And there are no official communications between the United States and North Korea. But

what we have been looking at overnight is the way that they normally send messages to the outside world, which is their state-run website, their news

agency. And throughout the night, because of that outage that Barbara was talking about, the internet outage, the pipe essentially coming out of

North Korea into China, which then spreads it to the worldwide web, it's almost as if that pipe was clogged, or cut off very, very suddenly around

1:00 a.m. local time here in Korea. And then slowly through the day today here local time we've seen it try to come back to life.

Now it's been on and off, starting and stopping. At this point, intelligence experts are telling us, you know, as Barbara mentioned,

probably not the United States. They are looking at whether it may have been just some rogue cyber hackers working on their own, perhaps no orders

from anywhere just trying to pull off something with North Korea -- Manisha.

TANK: Yeah, I certainly know that what it seemed like and what you looked at when you went to the pages involved seemed quite bizarre. And

people were making their own judgments about who might be behind it based on what they were seeing.

But Kyung, what I was getting at was at the end of the day there aren't many who have access to the internet anyway in North Korea as it

stands.

But moving on to slightly different things, and talking about communications, those in North Korea who do try to communicate their ideas,

what happens to them?

LAH: Well, the communication that you have inside North Korea all has to be geared towards the supreme leader, making sure that everything you do

is in honor, exultation of the supreme leader. Anything like satire and comedy is forbidden if it takes advantage or strays outside that general

line of thought.

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LAH: Welcome to primetime programming on North Korea's only television station, a cartoon explaining how to bomb the enemy to

traditional dance praising the supreme leader. This is entertainment a la North Korean regime, the rare interlude in between the news bulletins about

Kim Jong un's godlike generosity and love of his people.

To the western world, all of this is strange, a little twisted and certainly devoid of any humor.

Would you have ever made fun of Kim Jong un?

"I wouldn't dare," says Kim Song-minh (ph), "that's a path to death."

Kim knows because the defector and now anti-North Korea radio host was once a comedy writer for five years with the North Korean military. Comedy

in the DPRK, you ask? Well, sort of.

As a comedy writer, is it very dangerous what you can make jokes about?

"Among writers," says Kim, "the one sent to prison or executed most often are the comedy writers."

Go to far in a punch line, it's prison time often for the entire family. Kim says the goal of public comedy in North Korea is not to laugh,

but as another method to enhance loyalty to the regime.

It is little wonder North Korea fails to see the humor of this silly American movie. Satire just doesn't exist. Joking about the supreme

leader and killing the character on the big screen is not metaphor, but punishable by death.

Kim understands why the movie would push North Korea to launch a cyber attack, something the regime denies doing.

This former comedic writer is now in the very unfunny business of recording news from the outside world and sending it via proxies into North

Korea. He doesn't joke as he reads about the global crisis surrounding The Interview, because he wants his former homeland to understand the very

serious consequences of what began as a comedy.

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LAH: So it bears reminding that we are in the middle of this international crisis, this escalation of these cyber attacks, some of which

we saw overnight, all because, Manisha, of a Seth Rogan movie -- Manisha.

TANK: I won't say that you mentioning Seth Rogen there was laced with any kind of judgment whatsoever of his abilities.

But Kyung, just bringing it full circle and just finally that's the incredible part of all of this, this is what kickstarted the whole thing.

It was this parody, it was this look at Kim Jong un and frankly it's likely no one in North Korea is going to see it anyway.

LAH: Probably not, unless you can get some smuggled DVDs across the border, which some of the people who have escaped out of North Korea, who

defected and live now in South Korea are hoping to do.

Those bootleg copies could potentially be some very powerful propaganda in trying to crack that shield of brainwashing that has really

enveloped North Korea around the regime. So that's a hope, at least, by some of the defectors.

But you're right, in all likelihood they'll never see anything unless the regime wants them to see it in the way that the regime wants to frame

it.

TANK: OK, Kyung, thanks very much for that. Kyung Lah there in Seoul live for us on this rather incredible story that's now followed on from

this hacking at Sony and of course the making of that movie The Interview.

Well, we can talk a little bit more about Sony Entertainment. It is threatening Twitter now with legal action if it doesn't remove accounts and

tweets that link to Sony's leaked materials. Sony's attorney David Boies sent a warning letter to media organizations this week, including CNN,

saying Sony does not consent to your possession, review, copying, dissemination, publication, uploading, downloading or making any use of

stolen information. And the company requested help in, quote, destroying the material.

Twitter has already blocked one account that Sony singled out, but the site doesn't have a formal policy against tweets linking to other sites.

So, however, another social networking site Reddit is complying and has started banning users who post links to Sony's stolen material.

North Korea expert Mike Chinoy calls this cyber conflict unchartered territory. Find out how he thinks it will play out in the long-run at

CNN.com. Do take a look.

Now, new video obtained by CNN shows the chilling brutality of Boko Haram militants. Next on News Stream, there are growing concerns that the

militant group is escalating its campaign of terror in Nigeria.

And a German writer takes a dangerous journey into ISIS territory. Why he did it and how he managed to gain access. That's later on News

Stream.

Plus, it's been a decade since a deadly tsunami in the Indian Ocean killed hundreds of thousands of people. A new warning system has now been

set up, but critics say that's not enough to prevent another tragedy. We'll explain.

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TANK: A court here in Hong Kong has sentenced one of the territories richest people, Thomas Kwok, to five years in prison for corruption. The

real estate billionaire was found guilty of making payments to Hong Kong's then chief secretary. Rafael Hui was the government's second in command at

the time. He received seven-and-a-half years, the highest-ranking official to be tried in Hong Kong.

The French Prime Minister Manuel Valls says he is putting 300 extra soldiers on patrol, this after a number of violent incidents in the

country. On Monday in western France, a man rammed his van into shoppers at an outdoor Christmas market. At least 10 people were wounded. Police

say the incident isn't linked to terrorism.

Another driver plowed his car into a crowd of pedestrians on Sunday in Dijon, injuring a dozen of them. Witnesses reportedly said he was shouting

"god is great." in Arabic.

Mountains of flowers piled up last week in Sydney, Australia's Martin Place, a powerful tribute to the victims of the deadly cafe siege. The

messages left with the flowers will be saved. But volunteers cleared the bouquets away on Tuesday morning as family and friends said their final

goodbyes to the victims of the siege.

Mourners gathered for separate memorials for attorney Katrina Dawson and cafe manager Tory Johnson, both were remembered as heroes who

reportedly died while trying to save others. Their emotional sendoff came as Australia's prime minister warned people to stay alert for potential new

threats. Tony Abbott says security officials have detected an increase in terrorist chatter since the siege.

Now it's been 10 years since a deadly tsunami surged across the Indian Ocean, leaving a trail of devastation in its path. On December 26, 2004 a

9.1 magnitude earthquake struck along the coastline of Sumatra. The resulting tsunami killed an estimated 227,000 people in 14 countries.

Well, the disaster lead to the construction of a new tsunami warning system. Watch this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On Boxing Day 10 years ago, a massive earthquake struck in the Indian Ocean and triggered a series of giant waves that tore

through 14 countries across Southeast Asia. It left around a quarter of a million people dead or missing, the deadliest tsunami in modern history.

Entire coastal communities were wiped out. Thousands of tourists were killed. And 1.7 million people were displaced.

When the waves came, there had been effectively no public warning or evacuation, so it took everyone by surprise. The disaster sparked major

international action with $13.5 billion pledged in aid and the introduction of a tsunami alert center for Asia.

WANDONO, INDONEDIAN METEOROLOGY AGENCY (through translator): Before we had this early warning system, we needed about 30 minutes to an hour,

but now we are able to send a warning in less than five minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Alerts are now sent out to the public when an earthquake hits, followed by a tsunami warning if there's any risk.

The data comes from censors on the ocean floor, linked to a network of giant buoys that measure surface movement. They transmit the details to

satellite, then to stations on land.

So far, it's working, but experts say it's an uphill task to maintain the new systems, which are expensive and difficult to deploy, and are

sometimes damaged or lost at sea.

Communication between countries in the danger zone is also a major challenge.

MICHAEL ANGOVE, NOAA TSUNAMI PROGRAM MANAGER: You know, there are certainly, you know, issues to be resolved between the different countries,

but I think overall those are I think good, constructive dialogue, because this is a global problem and everyone, every country, every member state,

everyone that can sense something, what they can contribute goes to solving the problem globally.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An in a disaster of this scale, technology can only do so much. The biggest battle is educating local populations to

recognize the signs of a tsunami and be ready to react.

ANGOVE: You're going to feel the ground shake, you know, if you do, you know we want people to be thinking about am I in a tsunami danger zone?

And if so, maybe I should be getting to high ground. You don't see that, you maybe are going to see that water recede.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Many of the survivors from the 2004 tsunami are fully aware of the dangers. And now often head for higher ground as soon

as they feel a tremor even before they receive an official warning.

The challenge now is to pass that on to the new generation.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TANK: Well, Oxfam says the response to the tsunami generated the largest ever privately funded aid. Private donations made up 40 percent of

all of the money raised. Donations totaled more than $5 billion, which came close to government donations of more than $6 billion.

Well, now I want to show you how some of these hard-hit nations have healed over the last decade. The first tsunami wave struck Indonesia. And

this was the view of Banda Aceh just days later. And this is the same area now -- houses have since been rebuilt and the landscape has been largely

restored.

Aceh was the closest major city to the epicenter of the quake. So here's a look at one of the islands hit in Thailand. Hundreds there were

killed. Now a decade on, it's a similar scene of recovery.

And Sri Lanka was also devastated. Some 105,000 homes were destroyed or damaged in the tsunami.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANURA DE SILVA, HEAD OF THE SPORTS CENTER: When the tsunami struck on the 26th of December, 2004, there was total destruction -- debris all over,

although we are about 200 meters from the sea. There was five feet of water that went -- that came into this area as well.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANK: Well, as you can see the homes were rebuilt with an additional stories and new layout will better protect dwellers in the event of a

future tsunami.

Still to come here in News Stream, a German author's dangerous mission to get an up close look at ISIS. We'll tell you how he gained access to

the terror group.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TANK: Ukraine's parliament has taken a big step toward NATO membership today. Lawmakers voted overwhelmingly to drop the country's neutral

status. The nation's president has pledged he will apply to be a part of the western alliance.

Now on Monday, we told you about the German author who risked his life to get a close-up look at ISIS and life under their control. He spoke with

CNN's Fred Pleitgen to tell us exactly how he got that kind of access.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

FRED PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: What I have here is the declaration of safe passage, I think it is, that you received from the

Islamic State. When did you get here? Do you remember what it says also?

JURGEN TODENHOFER, GERMAN AUTHOR AND FORMER POLITICIAN: Yeah, it says that the caliph is giving a guarantee that I would be protected, the

people, my team would be protected and I would come back to Germany in safety and it's a clear guarantee.

Our problem was that we didn't know if this guarantee was sure, because I cannot control the stamp on this declaration, on this guarantee

and this was our risk.

PLEITGEN: But did they treat you well when you were there? Did they abide by what they wrote here?

TODENHOFER: They were correct, but they were not very kind to me. We had very hard discussions about our -- about the way of investigations,

about our freedom and sometimes they chose a tone that I didn't accept and we had hairy disputes and after two days we had a very hard dispute and we

almost decided to leave and to go back.

PLEITGEN: What about censorship? How openly were you allowed to travel? What were you allowed to show? What did they want to see?

TODENHOFER: Well, at the beginning I wanted to go to Raqqa, but they said I would prefer to go to Mosul, because I knew Mosul and I could make

comparisons. They said Mosul is not possible, it's difficult. And when I arrived, they said we have a good surprise for you, you can go to Mosul.

You are the only one, the first one, et cetera.

And this was the good side. But the bad side was that we had to give our mobiles, to give our laptops to them. And that all the photos were

controlled, all the films were controlled.

PLEITGEN: So they went through all of your stuff, all of your video...

TODENHOFER: They went through all of the stuff and of course we said no. We refused and we had again a huge dispute. And they said you can

leave if you want to leave, then leave. So, I think even if we hadn't taken one single photo I was interested to see what was happening in this

country.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TANK: His accounts are in part chilling, but you can see much more of his video and interviews from his journey inside ISIS. Just go to

CNN.com/Amanpour. Do check it out.

Still to come here on News Stream, we'll take a look back at some of the top stories of the year.

Plus, we examine new evidence that Boko Haram is executing dozens of hostages.

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TANK: I'm Manisha Tank in Hong Kong. You're watching News Stream. And these are your world headlines.

North Korea is still having trouble with its internet service after a total outage that lasted more than nine hours. The website of the state-

run news agency is said to be down. Some analysts say the outage may have been caused by an attack. It comes during rising tensions between

Pyongyang and the U.S.

U.S. stock markets look set for a higher open when Wall Street starts trading in about an hour from now. If the rally continues, Tuesday will be

the fifth straight session of gains.

European stock markets are also riding a wave of positive sentiment. The main indices are all currently higher.

The French industrial giant Alstom are also gaining this session. The company has agreed to pay the U.S. a $772 million fine to settle a foreign

bribery case. Prosecutors accused Alstom of paying more than $75 million to secure $4 billion in power and transportation projects and falsifying

records to mask the bribes.

Greek lawmakers have failed to choose a new president in a second round of voting. Stavros Dimas, the only candidate standing fell 32 votes

short of the required tally. A final round of voting will take place on December 29.

Now to Northern Nigeria where officials are blaming the militant group Boko Haram for an attack on a bus station. The explosion in Gombay (ph)

killed at least 20 people. Another explosion at a market in the northern state of Bauchi caused heavy casualties and a massive fire.

Well, a warning now, our next report on Boko Haram has some disturbing images. The Islamic militants have released a video that appears to show a

massacre of hostages. They're also threatening to execute all of their infidel captives from now on.

Here's Nima Elbagir.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Dozens of prone victims executed, fighters pose and parade through their midst. As

civilians in northern Nigeria take up arms against Boko Haram, this massacre and the release of the video chronicling it appear to be an

escalation in Boko Haram's campaign of intimidation.

Standing in the blood of his victims, a man claiming to be a Boko Haram commander addresses the camera. "Killing, slaughtering, destruction

and bombing, " he says, "will be our religious duty anywhere we invade."

This video was uploaded on to a video sharing site and then distributed to the media. We have no way of verifying its authenticity,

but it is 10 unrelenting minutes of a massacre as it unfolds. The commander, the reputed commander addresses the camera claiming to be in the

town of Bama (ph), a territory that Boko Haram took in the summer.

Well, we spoke to some of the residents who managed to flee Bama (ph) and they said that hundreds of non-Muslims were taken hostage by Boko Haram

in the town.

The commander says this video is proof that those hostages have now been killed. And he also says that from now on Boko Haram will kill any

hostages they take, raising fresh concerns about the hundreds of hostages, including dozens of girls still in Boko Haram custody.

Nima Elbagir, CNN, London.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TANK: Boko Haram's kidnapping of hundreds of schoolgirls earlier this year define the news agenda of 2014. And as we close out the year, Michael

Holmes sat down with our correspondents who covered the capture.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That hashtag #bringbackourgirls became one of the most recognizable social media

campaigns this year. The world did band together on some levels, calling on the Nigerian terrorist group Boko Haram to free almost 300 girls

kidnapped back in April just for going to school.

You know, Isha, you joined that campaign. You've also been a champion of girl's education. I mean, why did you feel it was so important to speak

out on this issue. You are very heavily involved in this.

ISHA SESAY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, I mean, listen I'm a child of the continent, of the African continent. I recognize that if it

were not for education, I wouldn't be sitting here with all of you. Education is transformative. And that is what has made my life what it is

today.

So for me these girls were just trying to get an education to change their lives.

HOLMES: And on the technology side of it, the hashtag, how did it work? Why was it so effective?

SAMUEL BURKE, CNN CORRRESPONDENT: Well, it's not just a testament to social media, but the power of the society that really embraces social

media, which we already knew about Nigerians. There are few places in the world like that -- in Venezuela also -- where a society feels

disenfranchised many times by the media, sometimes by their government and so they all rally around a hashtag in this case.

But I think it is more so the people, the fact that such a mobile society -- and that's really what it was, it wasn't just those few words,

it was really the people pounding away, wanting their voice to be heard.

HOLMES: And Robyn, tapping into your lengthy African experience, too. I mean, for a lot of people on the outside looking in, they're like why not

just go get these guys? What's the difficulty that the government forces have in tackling someone like Boko Haram?

ROBYN CURNOW, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, firstly I mean, let's just remember this wasn't the first bunch of girls taken or school

kids. I mean this had been happening over and over again for years. And I think there was this sort of -- this became sort of a number...

SESAY: Plus the number -- and the number...

CURNOW: And the number of it.

But the fact remains is, is that the Nigerian government and military had perhaps ignored this issue. And I think many African leaders, even the

African Union.

Politically, this was not an issue. Girls perhaps not going to school in a rural part of a country, you know, in a different part of the region,

not really an issue.

RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: And the Nigerian government in some ways seemed almost perplexed...

SESAY: As to why there was international attention.

QUEST: And we got a certain amount of flak from them.

CURNOW: Absolutely.

QUEST: Because we went so heavily and we covered it so strongly. And there was an argument that says there were -- a lot of the actions wouldn't

have been taken if it hadn't been for that.

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TANK: Really interesting to get that roundtabler views. From Boko Haram to Ebola, Ukraine to the search for a missing Malaysian Airline, CNN

takes a look back at the stories that captured our attention this year. So join us for Defining Moment: 2014, that coming up Thursday at 8:00 a.m. in

London.

Well, speaking of closing out the year I want to now share a holiday surprise from Harry Potter, also JK Rowling. She's just published Draco

Malfoy's life story as part of her 12 days of Christmas series. It covers Malfoy's original name, his upbringing and why he hated Harry.

But you need to solve this riddle on Pottermore in order to get to it. And spoiler alert for those on Team Malfoy, this might be a heartbreaking

holiday gift. Check it out if that is your kind of thing.

You're watching News Stream. Still ahead, do women run banks differently than men? The answer from one of the most powerful women in

the industry is coming up next.

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TANK: This week's Leading Woman is a power player in the world of banking. Jane Fraser a CEO with Citigroup is someone who meets challenges

head on. She opens up to CNN's Poppy Harlow about what could be holding some women back in their careers.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JANE FRASER, CEO, CITIGROUP: Make sure your manager knows that it will.

POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: She's American banker's number one woman to watch: Citigroup's Jane Fraser, CEO of U.S. consumer and

commercial banking and the head of Citi Mortgage.

When you took the tough job at Cigi Mortgage, 90 percent of people said to you are you crazy? Why?

FRASER: I'd been running a private bank at Citi, which is just -- I mean, it's a joyous franchise, because you get an opportunity to meet some

of the most successful businessmen and women in the world. To do that and then move from a franchise like that, very global, to move to the States

with all the challenges that the mortgage industry in the U.S. has faced around the complete lack of trust that's been there. But I love the

opportunity to turn something around.

HARLOW: And it's been a monumental challenge to turn things around.

FRASER: For many of us at Citi and in the whole banking industry, there is such a need to rebuild trust. The mortgage business, we are about

to hit a cycle where the industry fell off a cliff. And you just have to stand up there in front of people and be completely transparent.

HARLOW: Do women run banks or businesses differently?

FRASER: I think we do. I find I often will put women into roles where they're thinking about the broad franchise. It's not just a

steamroller towards a particular goal, but there's this awareness of collateral damage. They want to win as much as the men, they just don't

need all the badges.

HARLOW: Fraser's learned that the best way to navigate your career is to take risks.

You've said I used to believe that I had to be 120 percent qualified for something before I did it, and that was a mistake.

FRASER: Yes, because I think it always held me back a bit from really sometimes taking opportunities. I've moved into three businesses that I

did not know anything about that business when I moved into them. I could see that if I'm moved around continue to move into different roles, I

really learned a huge amount. You up your game.

HARLOW: She has a huge job, but she's the first to tell you her career doesn't define her.

FRASER: It's a role. It's not you as a person.

When you walk in the front door when you've got a 2-year-old whatever is going on at work is utterly irrelevant to them. And they run the

household. And I think I learned the most lessons about leading and about balance from my kids.

HARLOW: What is the advice that you would give to someone aspiring to be the next Jane Fraser?

FRASER: Have more courage early on. I don't feel you've got to be perfect all the time, because it just holds you back from sometimes doing

your best, because you don't put yourself into a more stretching situation.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

TANK: It's all about the stretch.

Well, if you've been inspired you can have a look at our website. We actually have a gallery of the most inspiring women of 2014. There's

Malala Yousafzai, the youngest winner of the Nobel Peace Prize and Maryam Mirzakhani, the first woman to win the Fields Medal, the most prestigious

prize in mathematics. They are just two of the top 14 women who exceled in 2014, but you can also learn more about those on our long list who were

nominated in the fields of science, technology, health, politics and much more. Find it all at CNN.com/leadingwomen.

And that's it for News Stream. I'm Manisha Tank, but don't go anywhere, World Sport with Alex Thomas is up next.

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