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More Accusers Step Forward In The Cosby Scandal; Former Playboy Bunny Says A Dozen Other Playboy Bunnies Were Drugged And Raped By Bill Cosby; Protesters Angry About Choke-Hold Death Of Eric Garner; Lebron James Wearing An "I Can`t Breathe" T-shirt

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, protests here and around the world are happening again right now. Many caught in the middle. I

will tell you what happened to me.

Plus, hear from Bill Cosby`s accusers.

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P.J. MASTEN, FORMER PLAYBOY BUNNY ACCUSING COSBY OF RAPING HER: I want him to suffer, suffer like we have all suffered all these years.

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PINSKY: How many more are there? Let us get started.

Good evening. Everyone my co-host is Samantha Schacher. She is in Los Angeles. I am coming here in from New York City. And, coming up, more

accusers step forward in the Cosby scandal, Sam.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HLN CO-HOST: That is right, Dr. Drew. And, we are going to hear from a former Playboy bunny, who says a dozen other Playboy

bunnies were drugged and raped by Bill Cosby, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Oh, goodness.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: But first up, violence in the streets. This now from coast to coast. Protesters are angry about the so-called choke-hold death of Eric

Garner and that the police officer who held him was not indicted. Take a look at this.

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BILL BRATTON, NYPD POLIC COMMISSIONER: We have the expression, it looks awful, but it is lawful. The role of the district attorney is to determine

whether any of the actions of the officers involved illegal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The Grand Jury decided last week not to indict officer Daniel Pantaleo in Eric Garner`s choke-hold death.

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GWEN CARR, ERIC GARNER`S MOTHER: Peace is the message. We do not want any violence.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Violence erupting for a second night in Northern California after 500 protesters swarm in Oakland freeway. A

standoff with police officers who eventually deploy tear gas. Demonstrators looting multiple businesses. A peaceful protester trying to

stop a looter was hit in the face with a hammer.

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JENN COATS (ph), POLICE SPOKESWOMAN, BERKELEY, CA: They have been using objects to break out windows to businesses.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A group of agitators in Berkeley, California, broke windows and threw what they could at the hundreds of

local police in full riot gear. Some demonstrators saying on social media, police were firing rubber bullets. In new York City over the weekend, a

few hundred people clashed with police; staging die-ins.

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PINSKY: Joining us, Evy Pompouras, Law Enforcement Analyst and former special agent secret service; Loni Coombs, Attorney, author of "You`re

Perfect. Another Lies Parents tell" and Vanessa Barnett, Hiphollywoodl.com and CNN Correspondent, Deborah Feyerick. She is live outside Barlays

Center in Brooklyn, where the Nets are playing the Cavaliers. Deborah, there is more than just that going on there, tell us.

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, there is a lot more than that just going on. There were a couple hundred protesters that were outside

the Barlays Center. They have now made their way inside to a mall. You can see some police officers moving in.

And, I have to tell you, the police officers here have been incredibly restrained. They have allowed these protesters to go where they wanted to

go, to march in the streets, but now they are coming in. Obviously, this is private property. But the officers have shown an incredible amount of

restraint.

The demonstrators have been telling, have been communicating. They have been very peaceful. One of the organizers said, "Look, if anybody is an

undocumented immigrant, if anybody has a police record, make sure you sort of step out of the way.

But, this is really what they are trying to accomplish. They are trying to shut down public places like this mall. They are trying to shut down

traffic going on outside of Barlays Center, you know? There is a huge area, Flatbush, Atlantic Avenue. They are also calling attention to what

is going on.

Inside, Lebron James as you know wearing that "I Cannot Breathe" T-shirt. When an organizer told the crowd that he actually did that, there was a

huge cheer that went up. But they are not only marching. They are having die-ins all over this area around the Barclays Center.

The royal couple, obviously, inside that center, so it is getting even more attention. And, you can hear them basically say, "Whose streets, whose

malls? Ours." So, they are making the point that this night, this area right now belongs to them.

But, I have to tell you, watching the police respond, it has been extremely measured. Extremely restrained. And they are hearing a lot of very

negative and abusive rhetoric coming from the demonstrators who also are equally just fed up. Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Deborah, thank you so much. I really appreciate you joining us and hopefully we will have a chance to check in with you throughout the

night. I hope the public is as restrained as the police officers were. They want to get in to see that game, or they may want to get out to see

the game, sounds like they were supportive. Sam, tell me a little more about the officer and Eric Garner.

SCHACHER: OK. So, Eric Garner was allegedly resisting arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes on the street, right? So, according

to "The Wall Street Journal," though, Dr. Drew, they report that he has a criminal record dating back to 1980.

It includes more than 30 arrested for alleged assault, resisting arrest and grand larceny. Now, in the meantime, the cop, Daniel Pantaleo, has been

sued three times. The most recent last month for falsely arresting black suspects.

PINSKY: It sounds like a perfect storm --

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: -- with the wrong guy with the wrong guy.

SCHACHER: Exactly.

PINSKY: I have a quote from -- or a little bit of a tape from Reddit Hudson. He is a former St. Louis Police Officer. He told CNN that the

anger on the street, is according to him -- and, Evy, I will have you respond you to this. He has claimed that the police bring racism to their

job. Take a listen.

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REDDIT HUDSON, FORMER ST. LOUIS POLICE OFFICER: I do not want to leave you with the impression that it is only white officers that abuse their

authority. It is not. You have some black officers that do it, Asian officers, Hispanic. The issue is the abuse of the authority and where it

takes place, which consistently is in black and brown communities.

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PINSKY: Is he right, Evy?

EVY POMPOURAS, LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: You know, that is his perspective from where he is come from. Those things he is saying do exist in some law

enforcement communities. You cannot say that there is no abuse of power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is just going to happen. It is

trying to mitigate those circumstances when it does happen.

PINSKY: And, Loni, I get it -- Evy and I had a conversation before the show started. And, what she said just now, in fact made me cringe a little

bit, which is, you know, we want police to be effective. We want them to protect us. So, Evy, give me the data, again, you quoted me about the 8

million crimes against property and 1.8 million against individuals. Is that correct?

POMPOURAS: Right. Yes. So, let me -- So, according to the FBI statistics, right? For 2013, OK? So, get this, we had 1,163,146 violent

crimes committed. And, that is just violent crime. If you are looking at property crime for the year 2013, we had 8, 632, 512 million property

crimes in just one year.

PINSKY: OK.

SCHACHER: Right.

POMPOURAS: So, just look at the magnitude of what we are dealing with.

PINSKY: Yes. So, it is a big number. It is a big job. But, Loni, my question to you, have we -- and I am going to ask Vanessa the same

question, is that why we need officers to be able to, you know, have such a high standard to be held accountable for hurting someone? Or have we gone

too far with all these and we need to change the laws?

LONI COOMBS, ATTORNEY/AUTHOR: Well, I think it is a combination of both, Dr. Drew. I mean where great power is given, great responsibility has to

be taken. But look, we put police officers in a very impossible position, essentially.

We are saying, "We want you to protect us." "We want you to protect our property." "We want you to go into very dangerous situations and be able

to tell in a moment`s notice what the right thing to do." "Assess exactly how dangerous it is, and respond with the appropriate level of force, to be

able to stop that." That is not always able to be possible. I mean they are people. They are going into very tense situations. They are involved

with a lot of violence directly towards them --

PINSKY: But, Loni -- Loni, I want to interrupt you.

COOMBS: Yes.

PINSKY: I am going to interrupt you. So, my question is, should -- I absolutely agree with you and I am supportive of that.

COOMBS: Yes.

PINSKY: But should the laws -- should there be a different -- it seems to me that people are protesting that they cannot be indicted. The standard

is too high. Can we just lower that bar a little bit?

COOMBS: Well, I think some things can be changed. I think we can be using special prosecutors rather than try to use the prosecutors that work every

day with those same officers. I think that there needs to be some distance there, some special prosecutors importance. I think that the grand jury,

while it is useful in certain situations, is not a good method to use when you are talking about police officers.

PINSKY: All right. OK. All right. So, that dissolves. I get you. That dissolves. I want to make sure we hear from Vanessa. Vanessa, you always

have an interesting take in all this. Please, straighten me out.

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: As a person who protested this weekend, I think that we are overlooking some of the bigger issues. And, I

do not think we are asking for the police to do too much. I think we are asking for, "No, there should not be any racial profiling."

That is what I marched for this weekend. " No, there should not be aggressive, unnecessary force." That is not asking too much when you go.

And you should be trained to go into these situations and ascertain what is needed from you.

Yes, Loni, they will make mistakes, but they do not need to make them as often as they are. And, they are making these mistakes based on

assumptions and racial profiling.

And, that is what needs to be targeted and that is what needs to be healed and fixed. And, I do not think we are really getting to that issue. I

think we are really trying to deal with bigger issues that maybe we should not be getting to yet.

PINSKY: OK. I see all you guys want to comment. I am way over. I do not have time. I am sorry. I have got to move on. But, I heard two

solutions, at least.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Maybe move away from the grand jury system and then more training -- more intensive training, so they do not profile. These are possible

solutions. Nonetheless, demonstrations continue in New York and Washington, many of the cities tonight.

I am not sure that the protesters have a consensus of what the end game is, who are they. And, later, the list of angry Cosby accusers getting very

long. We are going to hear with some of them are saying now. We are back after this.

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PINSKY: I am not saying that these demonstrators are mobs. I am saying, online in social media, the behavior is a mob mentality.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Lines are drawn, right?

PINSKY: The lines are drawn, but people get -- It is a very primitive emotional response people are having. They are being swept into these mob

without even thinking about what they are doing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE DEMONSTRATOR (1): It was over a lousy cigarette they killed him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DEMONSTRATOR: I think that is crazy. That is ridiculous. I cannot believe that.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE DEMONSTRATOR (2): People are just so fed up at this point. We are not hostile. We are not violent.

DEMONSTRATORS: No more body! No more body.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE DEMONSTRATOR (2): But we are fed up and it is the only way to make our message clear.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE DEMONSTRATOR (3): I am sorry that people over here are inconvenienced, but it is inconvenient to get shot in the street. It is

inconvenient to get choked on videotape. It is inconvenient to have no justice.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE DEMONSTRATOR (4): I vote. I pay taxes. I am a citizen of this country. I demand my full rights. That is why.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam. I want to go back out to CNN Correspondent, Deborah Feyerick. She is outside Barclays Center in Brooklyn. And,

Deborah, let me ask you this before what you are seeing, are the -- is the public being as cooperative as the police force is?

FEYERICK: They are. Well, they are. A lot of people -- protesters have been walking to the streets. They have been blocking traffic to the most

part. A couple of cars have been honking in support. Everybody is being pretty patient. This area, it has been rather remarkable, because the

demonstrators have really had free reign.

You see the Barclays Center just beyond me there. We are now at a mall. They exited the mall just moments ago. They were walking for about a total

of four hours. They came here. They staged a number of die-ins in this very busy area in Brooklyn.

The police were really sort of forming a perimeter around them, allowing them to march in the street. They were not aggressive. They allowed the

people to speak to make their voices heard a lot. They really wanted to make sure that the voice of Michal Brown and Eric Garner and everybody

else, who has been the target of police excessive force. In fact, those voices continue.

But, you can see, it has been relatively calm. You can see sort of the perimeter of the police out there and he protestors still. It is breaking

up. They marched for about four hours, and now one of the organizers said -- thanked everybody for coming, thanked everybody for being peaceful and

set another date for Wednesday when they will meet again at city hall. Drew.

PINSKY: Thanks, Deborah. I appreciate. Again, we will attempt to check in with you as we go through the evening tonight. Let us bring in our

behavior bureau. Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist; Vanessa Barnett still with me. Judy, of course, professor at Pepperdine University. Jennifer

Keitt, Life Coach.

Judy, my question to you is, do you think the protesters each have a specific goal in mind, or in this day of social media, when people get

swept into these mobs of activity, are they just wanting to be part of something? Is it gratifying to be part of a big group?

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Great point, Dr. Drew. And, I think that everybody`s motivation is different. There might be some people

whose specific goal when they got involve was to, actually, try to change nationwide policing reform.

However, there are people who do just get swept up, like you mentioned earlier, in the clip that we showed. There is a mob mentality. There is

the wanting to believe in something. And, once you become involved in a group like this, you are susceptible to group think.

And, even when the anger and the passion is not yours, you will be driven to do things that maybe somebody else next to you is doing just because you

are swept up in that primal emotion as you said.

PINSKY: And, I am not saying that is necessarily a bad thing. I mean a lot of good can happen with that. Jennifer, my question is to you, a lot

of these young people I have talked to want to equate what they are doing with the civil rights movements of many 40, 50 years ago. This to me feels

quite different. How do you perceive it?

JENNIFER KEITT, LIFE COACH: I do think that it is different. I think some of the fundamental injustice themes of injustice, themes of no tolerance,

themes of profiling, themes of targeting, I think some of those themes that are very real to the civil rights movement are showing up here. But, I do

think that it is an entirely different conversation. It is an entirely different discussion that needs to take place right now.

PINSKY: And, I think it is important that one generation speak to another, because they want it to be as important as what was going on then, and it

is as important, but it is different. It is not the same. Things are better, Vanessa. Am I overstating it?

BARNETT: Things are better. But when you tell a community of people that what they are doing maybe does not hold as much relevance as something that

has happened before they are initially going to be on the defensive, because for many people it is very similar. If there is one injustice,

that is one too many. And, it does not matter if it has the same weight as it did 60 years for ago you.

PINSKY: OK. Fair enough.

BARNETT: But, it does for some of these people.

PINSKY: No. Fair enough. That is why I want to -- I want to, actually, try to make sense of it.

SCHACHER: And, Vanessa --

PINSKY: Now, Sam --

SCHACHER: Yes. Can I ask Vanessa a quick question? Really quick --

PINSKY: Then I want you to --

SCHACHER: -- in regards to protesting.

PINSKY: -- then I want you to tell us about these interesting hash tags.

SCHACHER: Oh my Gosh. Yes.

PINSKY: Because they are speaking to this same issue.

SCHACHER: Absolutely.

PINSKY: But, go ahead ask Vanessa your question.

SCHACHER: Vanessa, when you were protesting, because I found it really interesting that Deborah said that there was communication between the

police officers and some of the protesters at least here in New York. While you were protesting, what was the interaction like between you, guys,

and the officers, the LAPD?

BARNETT: I will say that my experience was absolutely amazing.

SCHACHER: Good.

BARNETT: I felt that our voices were heard. Everyone was very peaceful, very organized. And, at the end of it, we thanked the LAPD for their

support, for their protection. They talked to us. It was not this battle. It was not a combat. We do not believe that all police are bad. But the

bad ones, they do need to be taken off the street and that police need training --

PINSKY: Hey, Vanessa, we are actually looking at your video here in my monitor.

SCHACHER: Wow.

PINSKY: That is, actually, video you took. It was yesterday in Los Angeles, correct?

BARNETT: Saturday. Saturday in Los Angeles --

PINSKY: Saturday. That was quite a group.

SCHACHER: Right.

BARNETT: -- We are at Hollywood & Highland -- And, there were thousands of people out there, but no instances, no looting, no violence. We were all

there for -- just to have our voices heard. And, like I said before, the police protected us. We felt safe. We walked down the street. We

chanted. We marched.

And, we had a die-in at the Hollywood & Highland Center and it was all to have our voices heard. We have concerned. And, it did not -- there was

not that combat that we have seen in other places.

KEITT: And, I think that is a difference from --

PINSKY: Now, Sam --

KEITT: Yes, I am sorry. That is why I think a difference from the civil rights movement, because we can have peace. We can have peaceful

conversations. I too, for the last two hours last night went on air and heard from all kinds of folks. And, that is to me where it really is

different.

PINSKY: Yes.

KEITT: And, we have an opportunity for change here now.

PINSKY: And, I do not want to misrepresent what Eric Holder said, but to paraphrase, he said, we do not break the law. Civil disobedience has to

have a purpose. And, that is not really what you are trying to do. You are trying a peaceful demonstration.

BARNETT: Absolutely.

PINSKY: Listen to what Dr. King espoused, but these hash tags emerged.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Sam, I want you to help me explain these. One is, quote, "#Crimingwhilewhite." The other is, quote, "#alivewhileblack."

SCHACHER: Right. OK. So, let us start with criming while white. And, this is basically a way for people to describe their illegal activity that

presumably got excused because of their race. So, let me give you some examples. And, I think you will better understand it.

Jeremy says, quote, "I am not proud of it, but when I was 22, I pushed a cop when I was drunk at a bar. I was told to go home and, quote, `sleep it

off`." Becker says, "Drinking in public underage and told to just go inside. Two black kids behind us were stopped and arrested." Clay Aiken

says, "At 16, I got in a wreck, gave a fake number and left. Cops found me, told me it was a felony and do not do it again."

Now, in response to that, the hashtag, #alivewhileblack, started trending, as well. Take a look at some of these. From Random.com, "My brother was

handcuffed in front of my house because his key got stuck in the lock and cops thought he was breaking in."

Ms.Prosperity, "Lost trying to avoid bad roads in a snow storm. Got pulled over for being in the wrong neighborhood. Was detained for one hour." And

finally, from Crystalline, "My dad and I were pulled over after leaving an open house in an affluent neighborhood. Questioned why we would want to

move there."

PINSKY: Yes. Now, I have to go. But, Vanessa, I think that social media is beginning to tell us what you are aiming towards, is it not?

BARNETT: Absolutely.

PINSKY: That this disparity exists, and we are seeing it come out through social media.

BARNETT: We are seeing it in social media and we are seeing it in these peaceful protests, as well. They are not just black people protesting.

SCHACHER: Right.

BARNETT: They are people of every color, every race, every creed out there protesting, and we want justice.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: We want racial profiling to end on both ends of the spectrum.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: And, what is up with Clay Aiken?

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SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Next, a famous comedian spoke about this issue decades ago. I found it on Facebook and I sent it to my producers. I am going to play it

for you when we get back.

And, later, we will reveal the results of our live poll, will more body cameras mean more and better protection? We are back after this.

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PINSKY: Here it is in video. Still no help. That is why people are outraged.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE PROTESTOR: What do we have to do to get an indictment? It was on camera!

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GLEN CARR: Anybody with eyes can see what happened. How in the hell did it go that way?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): My dad died on national T.V. on a camera. He still did not get justice. So what is justice going to do with these

body cameras?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (2): They had a video that represents a body camera. It did nothing. Try something else.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Judy and Jennifer. Joining us, Tiffany Davis Henry, HLN Contributor, Psychotherapist. I want you, guys, to look at one

of my heroes, believe it or not, Richard Pryor. I think the guy is genius. I think his work still stands up as poetry that is almost outside of

history for me. And, he was talking about police chokeholds back in 1977. Take a look.

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RICHARD PRYOR, AMERICAN COMEDIAN: Police got a chokehold they use out here though, man. They choke (EXPLECITIVE WORD) to death. That means you`ll be

dead when they`re through. Did you know that? (EXPLECITIVE WORD) go, `Yeah, we know!." Whites go, `No! I had no idea.`

Two grab your legs, one grabs your head, and go SNAP! (EXPLECITIVE WORD) he broke.` Can you break a (EXPLECITIVE WORD)? Is it OK? Let`s check the

manual. Yep, page 8: You can break a (EXPLECITIVE WORD). Right there, see?

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PINSKY: So, Tiffanie, this suggests that this is not a new problem. It is just something that is finally boiling over.

TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PSYCHOTHERAPIST/HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Absolutely, I agree with that. This is something that has been going on for a long time and

while. In the case of Michael Brown, people were not quite sure, because we did not have the video evidence.

In the case of Eric Garner, we have the video evidence, and still did not net us an indictment. Whereas other people may have been able to say

before, "Yeah, I do not think profiling exists." With Eric Garner`s case, you know that it does. We have the video to prove it. And, this lack of

an indictment proves it, as well, that this type of thing has been going on for quite some time and not much has changed.

PINSKY: Judy, what do you think the protesters believe? You said that they may not all have the same consensus opinions about why they are out

there. And, people say use, you know, empty shibboleths and platitudes like justice. What do you think people really want?

HO: Well, I think people get into protests because they feel helpless and it is a way for them to feel like they are doing something and being

proactive. Unfortunately --

PINSKY: So, you are saying, they want to feel not helpless.

HO: Absolutely.

PINSKY: More than anything. They want to feel heard. Yes.

HO: Yes. They want to feel heard. They want to take some control back. And, I think these situations, when they happen, they tend to incite in

people`s emotions that they are not the masters of their universe and that feels scary.

And, so, protest is a way to help with that and it is a voice -- it is a way for your individual voice to be heard because you are banded with a

bigger group and it brings up a lot more power and sometimes effectiveness. But, my concern is, when it does turn violent, then the message that you

are trying to spread becomes obscured.

PINSKY: It diminishes it.

HO: Absolutely.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Yes. Then you want police back in the fray again with all the power that they could possibly have.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: Jennifer, let me ask you this. What do you feel about people like Mayor Giuliani, I think Larry Elders earlier on this network were saying

that really we should be talking about is how people respond to police when they are given orders from them.

KEITT: You know, that is one huge, huge issue. My major concern now is how we are going to translate this into our everyday lives. If these men

and women in blue are supposed to serve and protect, and as African- Americans we feel like they are not going to do that, that our lives can be in danger, then yeah, there is going to be this tension that we feel every

single day.

I am hoping, hoping beyond hope that all of these protests, all of the things we are experiencing right now can translate beyond these incidences

that are really, really horrific. Because we still have to live with each other every single day. And, we cannot protest forever.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: Yes.

KEITT: We have got to come up with solutions, with conversations, with strategy that is going to actually translate to our homes.

PINSKY: Yes.

KEITT: And our conversations with one another.

SCHACHER: Right.

KEITT: Otherwise, we are going to continue to be back here time and time again.

SCHACHER: Right. There needs to be a reform --

PINSKY: Sam, there is --

SCHACHER: Go ahead, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: I am going to tell you that there is some -- there was a tweet that is right next to my head there that said, "The cameras are not going

to matter because here we have in the case of Eric Garner, we have video footage and what happen? And what good did that makes?

SCHACHER: Well, I understand that because, listen -- that is exactly right. But, here is the thing, Dr. Drew. Clearly, we need reform, right?

And, we need to build the trust again. But, I do think that body cams can help maintain that.

I do think that it will help protect the suspect as well as the police officer, as well as give us an eyewitness account. But, first, we do need

reform. I do not understand. I mean this chokehold was banned, but then it is not illegal. So, that does not make sense to me either.

PINSKY: It was banned from that particular law enforcement group --

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: -- but it is not banned by the state -- Listen, to me, I do not know why people are not talking about the laws. I find that confusing,

because the laws do not seem quite right to me.

SCHACHER: Exactly.

PINSKY: But, whatever, I do not legislate. I want you all take a look at this tweet from Natasha Lance from the Daily Share. She says, "Ferguson

has been tweeted 6.7 million times in the past 30 days. Social media is the glue holding this movement together."

And, I will tell you what, there is a hash tag Tiffanie that keeps going around that makes me really sad. I just saw it when I think -- when

Jennifer was talking. The hash tag was, #blacklivesmatter. Does anybody believe that black lives do not matter, do we have to state that? I mean

it is just really sad indictment.

BARNETT: I think you do. I think you do. I think you do and especially for our young people, what they are seeing on social media, what they are

seeing on television is that young black people are being killed, are being brutalized, are being disenfranchised for no reason.

The rules are the rules. And, I do agree that if the rule is, do not resist arrest, then we should not be resisting arrest. However, what tends

to happen over and over again is even if we do abide by the rules, what young blacks or young people of color are seeing is, "Even though I abide

by the rules, something still happens. I still get arrested. I still get shot. I still get killed."

PINSKY: Yes. And, that is the frustration.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: That is why we are talking. The good news is we are here to talk. Next up, we are going to go back live to protest. We will get in to the

difference between this circumstance and Michael Brown`s death in the hands of a police officer.

And, later, you will hear from all five women all who claim Bill Cosby assaulted them. There they are. Back after this.

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CARR: The riots have been so beautiful, so nicely done.

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CHARLES BARKLEY, FORMER NBA PLAYER: We, as black people, we need the cops in our community. They are not there just to, quote, unquote, "kill black

men."

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ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: We cannot afford to profile, to do law enforcement on the basis of stereotypes.

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PRES. BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: As painful as these incidents are, we cannot equate what is happening now to what was

happening 50 years ago.

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BARKLEY: As my grandmother said, I am going to judge everybody by their own merits, black, white -- I am going to be fair.

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CARR: Peace is the message.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Tiffany, Evy and Vanessa. We are talking about how two high profile cases, both involving Caucasian police officers, their

actions led to the deaths of two black men. They will not face criminal trial, which is what triggered all these protests.

Do the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases have much in common or are they just unrelated and just poking at the same feeling? Before I get into

that, though, just now joining us from Washington, D.C. is CNN Correspondent, Athena Jones. Athena, you are there with the protest in

Washington. What are you seeing?

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Drew. We are here in the middle of Chinatown, shutting down a major intersection. Here you can see the group

behind me is chanting "This is what democracy looks like." they have been doing this for the last several night since Wednesday night, when the

decision not to indict the officer in the Eric Garner case came down.

Tonight, we have covered about 5 miles of the city periodically shutting down intersections. At one point, shutting down a bridge. At another

point, marching on the White House, asking for the president to come out and talk to the protesters. So, the idea is to disrupt, to make sure their

voices are heard and to bring attention to this issue of police brutality and racial injustice. Drew.

PINSKY: And, I see that the weather is not deterring anybody, including yourself. It is got to be cold. And, in fact, I earlier saw people doing

the die-outs. They were lying in the street. It looked like they were lying on ice. I though, "wow, that is commitment." My question, though,

is have there been any difficulties between the protesters and the police?

JONES: You know, there have not been. One of the real points that the organizers here have tried to make over and over again is that this should

be a nonviolent protest. They have tried very hard to make sure that any confrontations with police are defused.

I will tell you, when these protesters were on the 14th street bridge, just as they were a few nights ago, police at one point shouted out a warning on

the loud speaker saying that "You are endangering the lives of the Washington, D.C. residents by blocking this bridge, a major thoroughfare

emergency vehicles and people on the way to the hospital use that thoroughfare.

So, the police gave two warnings. And, after the second warning, the protesters left the bridge. That is exactly, what they did the other night

when they were blocking the bridge. So, they have been trying to avoid any direct confrontations with the police.

And, I can tell you that I had spoken with D.C. Police earlier today. And, since Wednesday night, when we have seen some of the biggest protests in

response to the non-indictment in the Garner Case, of course, they are also protesting the Brown case and other killings of young black males.

But, since Wednesday night, there have only been two arrests by D.C. Police. So, that is a lot lower number that you see in other cities. And,

that could give you some indication of a peaceful policing and also the fact that the protests here have been relatively peaceful. Drew.

PINSKY: Right. Thank you so much, Athena. And, I think Evy, Do not you agree with me that the case is made more powerfully when people do

peacefully protest and that is when you are willing to listen to things. I am going to go back to my original question. Are these cases related? Are

they just so different but they poked at the same feeling?

POMPOURAS: Yes. Look, from the objective perspective, they seem very different. You have two very different scenarios. The one thing they have

in commo, though, is that both individuals did not comply with police.

You have both situations of a police officer trying to enact an arrest or deal with an individual who is not complying. And, that in and of itself

escalates the situation. We talk about what police can do, how they can deal with people. But again, we have to understand it is also indicative

of the individual they are trying to deal with.

If that person does not comply with you, they themselves also escalate the situation. Dr. Drew, the minute you put hands on someone, everything

changes. In 2013, 49,851 police officers were victims of online duty assaults. Online duty assaults.

PINSKY: 49,000?

POMPOURAS: 49,851 in 2013, according to the FBI statistics. So, it is during the time when they are arresting an individual, they are trying to

enact an arrest, it is usually those times when these assaults take place, unfortunately.

PINSKY: All right. But, Vanessa, you say you do not care?

BARNETT: No. I just want to point out that before -- in each case, before the officers even arrived to their -- to this altercation or to the

resisting of arrest, in the Mike Brown case, Officer Wilson was noted saying that he feels like that area is full of, you know, people that are

always kind of in a criminal activity kind of environment or he said that was always a rough neighborhood. He already had a preconceived notion of

this area. Again, the officer in Eric Garner`s case was noted as being disciplined for racially profiling.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: So, before you even get to the act of resisting arrest --

PINSKY: You are concerned of the wrong -- it was predisposed.

BARNETT: Exactly.

PINSKY: Tiffanie, do you agree with that?

DAVIS HENRY: I do agree with Vanessa, but I also agree with some of Evy`s points, as well. I think that what is similar in this case is that there

was some sort of profiling. It feels like there was some profiling that has been going on beforehand and then certainly the amount of force that

was used in each incident, I do not think it was necessary -- necessarily necessary. I just do not think they had to do what they did.

PINSKY: Right. That is what I keep wondering myself. And, Sam, I got stuck in a protest last night here in New York City.

SCHACHER: I saw your Instagram photo, your picture, your tweet.

PINSKY: Well, then you saw some of these other people tweets. I am going to read one to you.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: This is the guy says, quote, "We just saw you in a cab and you remain stone faced. We, the people, are calling on you to speak for

justice. #blackliesmatter."

SCHACHER: Wow.

PINSKY: Like I was supposed to jump out of the cab. I was trying to figure out what was going on. Then somebody a little nicer,

noteasybeinggreenrope, "We wanted you to at least cheer us on from your cab tonight. I hope you got wherever you were going safely. Bless you." That

is kind of a nice one.

SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew, you speak dialogue every night.

PINSKY: I cannot figure out what is going on.

SCHACHER: You spark it every night.\

PINSKY: Thank you, Sam. And, that is the point. This is where we try to keep that dialogue going on. It is really not right for me to jump out of

a cab. And, by the way, when the situation was not clear what was going on, I was not stone faced. I was sort of scared out of my pants. I have

no idea what was happening. And, my driver was really scared. And, we were just trying to make sense of the situation.

SCHACHER: Meanwhile, you recognized. I love it.

PINSKY: Recognized and somebody pounding on the cab. I thought, I did not know they wanted me to come join them. I had no idea what was going on.

But that same hash tag, #blacklivesmatter" came in to this one. It makes me sad. It makes me sad that we have to say that kind of thing. Go ahead.

DAVID HENRY: And, you know, we do have to say it, Dr. Drew, but I think that the important message here is that all lives matter. And, that is why

you see the diversity of the people that are out there marching because --

PINSKY: I like that, Tiffanie. I like that.

DAVIS HENRY: -- it is not just people that look like them. Every life, every creed --

PINSKY: I like that.

DAVIS HENRY: -- every race, every sexual orientation --

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am.

DAVIS HENRY: Every life matters.

PINSKY: There you go. Next up, a Cosby accuser says as many as 12 Playboy bunnies were assaulted by him. We are going to hear from her. We are back

after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: He approached me from behind and the reached over my shoulder and grabbed my right wrist. I was stunned and angry,

because he had no right to do that.

CHELAN, ONE OF THE NEW BILL COSBY RAPE ACCUSERS: Mr. Cosby walks me to the bedroom after a second shot of amaretto. He laid next to me on the bed and

began pinching my left nipple, humping on my leg while he was grunting. I could not open my eyes.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Loni, Vanessa and Jennifer. And, those are just a few of at least 20 women who say they have been sexually assaulted by Bill

Cosby. They told their stories during a press conference with attorney Gloria Allred. Gloria will join us tomorrow night with yet another alleged

victim. And, Sam, one alleged victim has now filed a lawsuit. What do you know about that?

SCHACHER: OK. So, her name is Judy Huth, Dr. Drew. She is 56 years old. And, she claims that Bill Cosby sexually assaulted her when she was just 15

years old. She claims that this alleged assault took place at the Playboy mansion.

Bill Cosby invited her to the Playboy Mansion. She says that she went into the bathroom in one of the bedrooms. She came out of the bathroom, there

was Bill Cosby sitting on the bed. That is when she alleges.

He attempted to put his hands down her pants and then took her hands in his hands and forced her to perform a sex act on himself without her consent.

The suit accuses Cosby of sexual battery and emotional distress.

PINSKY: And, Loni, there have been some interesting twists in this lawsuit, you k now?

COOMBS: Yes, absolutely, Dr. Drew. And, some of it centers around the statute of limitations, which is very confusing for sexual assault cases.

It depends on one crime or alleged crime occurred what year and actually what the specific acts are that are alleged.

But in this case, because it was a child molestation, there is this exception that California and some other states have come up with. And

that says, "Look, we now understand that child molestation is so traumatic that some people do not realize what happened to them until many years

later when they are an adult."

PINSKY: Yes.

COOMBS: So, we are going to give you this three-year window, where once you discover even through therapy or whatever it is, you realized what has

happened to you in the past, we will let you still file charges. However, because it is so devastating to the alleged perpetrator, we are going to

put in some protections.

One, you actually have to have a therapist write under penalty of perjury and affidavit saying, "Look, I have evaluated this person and I believe

what they are saying. I believe that it was repressed. I believe they just determined that this happened to them, and I believe that there is

some credibility here.

That has to be filed along. And, they cannot actually name the suspect until a judge gives them permission and says that is enough here that you

can actually name the person. Now, in this case, one, they did not feel any evaluation from the therapist, and two, they named Bill Cosby outright.

So, right there they kind of violated the rules. And, that is what Bill Cosby`s attorney has been saying.

PINSKY: And there was a countersuit based on what they were calling extortion.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Are we able to show that CNN footage from the Donn Lemon. I will show you after the break, right. Next up, the panel stays with me. We

will keep the conversation going.

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UNIDNTIFIED FEMALE ACCUSER: We suffered hundreds, collectively, hundreds of years of horrible, intestinal, emotional strife because of what this man

put all of us through, and the hundreds that have not come forward yet.

I want him to suffer, suffer like we have all suffered all these years. You can ask any of these women how were your relationships? How were your

marriages? How were your jobs? How was your psyche?

DON LEMON: How were your dreams?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE ACCUSER: I am having nightmares.

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PINSKY: Back with my panel. Another alleged victim will be here tomorrow night. She says she was in what she called a consensual relationship with

Cosby. It ended after he drugged her and sexually assaulted her. Another of what is being called a consensual relationship, he was married. Why did

he need to drug them?

It almost seems like an addiction, like he liked to be in situation where is, he was in complete control, that the women he was with were basically

helpless. It is no way to understand something like this, because the normal average person would never do something like this.

Here is more with Don Lemon`s interview with some of the accusers, take a look at this.

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JOAN TARSHIS, ONE OF BILL COSBY RAPE ACCUSERS: I think that he never cared what happened.

He watched the masses finally listening.

I hope that we are creating a new platform for those people to say, I am not alone, and I do not need to be alone anymore.

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PINSKY: So Jennifer, they seem to be wanting to help other women who may have been survivors of victimization. But, there is an interesting piece

where Joan Tarshis, I interviewed her and she is a recovering person. She is sort of come to terms with all this. Her response to this, she wants

him to just look at it and please get well. She has sort of empathy for him, which was interesting.

KEITT: I think that is very interesting. My heartbreaks. I could not imagine being a woman from the time I was 15 years old to over 50 and not

being able -- carrying that kind of burden. Watching him successfully rise year after year. Nobody had a voice, and you are talking now dozens of

women? I am telling you, this is heartbreaking.

PINSKY: Again, we are having Gloria and an alleged victim tomorrow night, Sam. Something struck me about what one said. There may be hundreds of

victims out there. That kind of struck my ear.

SCHACHER: Think about all the decades that have gone by, Dr. Drew. I give a lot of credit to that one woman, Joan, for having empathy. If that were

me and watching him succeed and not owning up to it, I would want to kill him. I would literally want to kill him.

PINSKY: Loni, I suspect you are in Sam`s camp?

COOMBS: I think the best thing for these victims is to get to that point where they can say I am healing myself and I want to get away from all the

negativity.

PINSKY: That is right. Good thing for us to all think about. DVR us any time, then watch us any time. "Growing America" is up next and begins

right now.

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