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DR. DREW

Did NFL Cheerleader Seek Out Teenage Boy on Instagram?; Shocking Reactions to Woman Pretending to be Drunk; Kim Kardashian Photos Breaks the Internet

Aired November 12, 2014 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, a twist in the case of a former NFL cheerleader accused of having sex with a teenage boy. Did she seek him out

on instagram?

Plus, the video that is getting so much attention. A woman pretending to be drunk and the shocking reactions caught on tape.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Will you help me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: We are going to go somewhere else.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Where are we going to go?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: To my house.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Let us get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening. Now, my co-host is Samantha Schacher here with me. And, a disturbing new detail in the case of the cheerleader accused of

having sex with a teenage boy. Tonight, we are hearing from a friend of the accused woman.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HLN CO-HOST: That is right, Dr. Drew. The friend says everyone used to be jealous of the former cheerleader, Molly Shattuck. She

just had it all together, but tonight that friend is in shock over her arrest. And, Dr. Drew, she has a lot to say.

PINSKY: She does not believe it or she does believe it?

SCHACHER: You just going to have to wait.

PINSKY: All right.

SCHACHER: I got all the details.

PINSKY: First up, take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Molly Shattuck turned herself in to be arraigned on a nine-count indictment.

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PINSKY: She faces up to 52 years in prison, accused of raping a teenage boy.

SCHACHER: Police say she allegedly took the boy to a liquor store, bought him two 12 packs of beer.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Shattuck was provided one-stop shopping. She was not arrested, handcuffed and taken to a locked up; but, allowed to turn

herself in.

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SCHACHER: Take a look at her booking photo, OK?

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: I mean, what the hell? She is not in the typical jump suit that you would be given.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: If this was a man that molested a young 15, 16-year-old girl, you would want his head chopped off.

PINSKY: Yes. You want his head. That is right.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE A TTORNEY: The old me would have been like, "Please abuse me."

SEDAGHATFAR: In social media, again, people are going, "Yey! Lucky guy. I wish that was me. Wow!" You know? "What is it? Boy in love."

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PINSKY: Joining us, Evy Pompouras, Law Enforcement Analyst, former special agent secret service; Kelvin Washington, Social Commentator, radio host;

Tiffany Smith, host and reporter. And, we are learning that someone apparently used that woman is son is Instagram account. Sam, tell me more.

SCHACHER: That is right, Dr. Drew. According to this affidavit, she noticed photos of the teen on Instagram. She responded, commented on one

of those photos with a compliment.

PINSKY: Wait a minute. She went on her son is Instagram? --

SCHACHER: Perusing.

PINSKY: I see.

SCHACHER: Yes. OK?

PINSKY: Who said this? Where are they learning this thing?

SCHCHER: I do not know where all the details are from.

PINSKY: OK.

SCHACHER: Perhaps -- I mean it is from the affidavit. So, perhaps, the victim told the investigators.

PINSKY: Got it. But also that victim alleged that he received a message from the son is Instagram. We do not know if it was the son. Perhaps, she

used his Instagram. We do not know. But, this was the message that he received, quote, "You should text my mom. She is obsessed with you." And,

then that message also included Molly is cell phone number.

PINSKY: Is have never seen Sam quite so creeped out.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: But, if this is true, Evy, do you think the son had some role in this and -- what are your thoughts?

EVY POMPOURAS, LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I do not think the son had a true role in this. He might just say my mom is very interested. She likes

following you on Instagram or whatever you are doing. But, i do not think that he -- to me it does not sound -- we are jumping ahead to say that this

was a son creating this relationship, having a mom connect with him in such a way.

I would be surprised if the son did that. I do want to point out a couple of things. As far as her arrest goes, there is a little a bit of shock

over how the way she was arrested. She was allowed to surrender. That is not uncommon.

When I would arrest -- often when I had someone who was not being difficult, somebody who was cooperating, we would say, "You know what? We

will let you come in and you can self-surrender yourself and we will do this the amicable way" --

PINSKY: And, Evy? Evy, do not they even take the picture like right there in the courtroom where they surrender themselves? They do not put them in

the jumpsuit first. They just take the picture.

POMPOURAS: Yes. It depends. If they are not going to hold her. She is just coming in. She is going to be processed and then released that same

day, then there is no need. So, I have to say, this happens all the time. It is not just specifically her. It just depends on the individual, on the

offender --

PINSKY: Got it.

POMPOURAS: And if they are cooperating.

PINSKY: In April, this woman, Molly, sat down for an interview with Mickey Burns. This is from his Profile series. Take a look at this.

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MOLLY SHATTUCK, NFL CHEERLEADER: They put like a team of people on me to do up my hair, to add makeup, to give me booty shorts, because i had mama

shorts on.

MICKEY BURNS, HOST OF PROFILES: OK. Now, you got the booty shorts. You got to look -- show what you got.

SHATTUCK: -- partly top to sho the belly.

BURNS: Yes. Yes.

SHATTUCK: So, it was quite the transformation for sure.

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PINSKY: Tiffany, does the fact that this is an attractive woman figure into this case?

TIFFANY SMITH, HOST/REPORTER: I definitely think it does, and I think on some level she is being raked over the coals a lot more publicly because

she is attractive. I am not saying what she did is anymore wrong or right because she is attractive. But, i do think that if you look at, you know,

news reports and just everywhere, if you have someone who is pleasing to look at, we are going to want to hear much more about them.

PINSKY: Well, I do not know. I think you are right. I think we do get caught by that. But, I think -- Kelvin, I think we have a special energy,

you know, A negative energy for women who have -- who appear sort of sexually appealing and go out of control then we got to squash them. We

got to really come down on them.

KELVIN WASHINGTON, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, there is1s also -- I guess you can say the double standard that would be when a woman is attractive

and it is kind of like the Earley -- I believe his name is Mark Early said in the video montage there that, "You know, boys want to be molested or

touched by an older woman. It is a cool thing to do."

When they are in high school like, "Oh, look at teacher so and so or so" and "So is mom is a MILF." You know, we have this thing in our society

where it is OK if that would happen. And, I think a lot of young boys would be setting themselves up for a lot more than they think they can if

they were to allow this to happen.

PINSKY: And, Sam, there is a lot of time she can potentially serve, right? I mean, you did Samantha on this one.

SCHACHER: That is right, Dr. Drew. She is 47. If she were to be convicted and did the maximum time of 52 years, that would mean she would

be 99 --

PINSKY: Great!

SCHACHER: -- when she gets out.

PINSKY: Evy, do you think that she is likely to get that full sentence? My understanding is -- by the way, the way the judge is adjudicated on

these things, it reflects a double standard, almost more than anything. The men get the larger sentences. The women get shorter sentence and the

attractive women extra short sentences.

POMPOURAS: Yes. Look, a lot of it rests on the kind of attorney you have. They actually did a research study and collect the data. And, they found

that when you have a private attorney versus a public attorney when you are well off, you actually get less time.

PINSKY: So, once again, we learn that, what? Money buys you justice? Is that we are learning again?

POMPOURAS: Unfortunately, it helps.

PINSKY: All right. Next up, we got more on the story, the impact on her marriage. And, tonight, we have a friend who is speaking out.

And, later, Kim Kardashian tries to so called break the internet. And, there are some new frontal photos just been released. Perez Hilton will

join us live. Back after this.

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KAYLEIGH MCENANY, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: This victim, if these allegations are true, is the same age as her son and goes to the same school as her

son.

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: What person is going to put their children in a situation where they are doing their classmate?

SCHACHER: She loves emojis. We see smiley, sunnies, biker, surfers, swimmer, fish, food, music, balls.

PINSKY: Those are the infantile tweets of a 47-year-old woman. Number one, they look manic as hell.

SHATTUCK (voice-over): "The roadmap you make for your life helps you stay away from the dark side."

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PINSKY: In deed. I am back with Sam, and we are talking Molly Shattuck, the former NFL Cheerleader accused of having sex with a 15-year-old boy.

Let us bring in our behavior bureau, Judy Ho, Clinical Psychologist, professor of Pepperdine University; Leeann Tweeden, Social Commentator,

host of Tomboys` Podcast on BlogTalk Radio and Chris Donaghue, Psychotherapist, host of Sex Box premiering on WE T.V. this January. The

cheerleader`s husband has been granted a quick divorce all of a sudden. Sam, tell me more.

SCHACHER: That is right. One month, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Just boom, got a divorce.

SCHACHER: Jus boom like that. So, he is a 60-year-old local energy tycoon. He filed for divorce on October 6th, because there was a number of rumors

floating around their swinky community about her. Now, the ex-husband`s lawyer would not comment on custody of their three kids. But, he did say

that the husband is taking care of the kids -- ex-husband, I should say, and there is no custody dispute.

Friends say that they have been separated for more than a year. And, if he were to get back together with her, they believe she would go back to him.

However, guess what? He is seeing somebody new and she is having trouble accepting that.

PINSKY: I think she put a nail in the coffin of their reconciliation. Judy, i see you are shaking your head, as well. Do you think she is

depressed from all that and perhaps that is some of what is going on here, or is there something more of an acting out nature. In other words, she is

aggressive and trying to get retribution?

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Dr. Drew, I think that there is a huge problem here in terms of her impulse control whatever she is

going on.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes.

HO: So, you know, maybe she is depressed. We are not excusing it, because a lot of people who are depressed do not act out in this way.

PINSKY: Of course not.

HO: Rigth: So, there is something else missing here. I feel like there is that vent of somebody who is trying to get retribution, but the fact

that she has such poor decision making leads me to believe that may be she has a personality disorder --

PINSKY: Right.

HO: -- where she fears abandonment and this just triggered a whole set of issues.

PINSKY: Right. So, chris, let us find point on that. The fear of abandonment is one thing. But when they are abandoned, they sometimes just

fall apart, people with this kinds of characters.

CHRIS DONAGHUE, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Yes. Absolutely. I am not surprised. This woman sounds like someone who has poor boundaries --

PINSKY: Yes.

DONAGHUE: -- and, I would be nervous about her around any social mdia or any children at this point.

PINSKY: Yes.

DONAGHUE: And, I think that this is a little bit of a forecasting. Because with social media being so utilized, we are going to see a lot more

of these kind of situations with sex drive gone wrong.

PINSKY: That is interesting. I think you are right. And, Sam, the school had a reaction. This is the kid school, right?

SCHACHER: That is right. Because her son goes to the same school of the alleged victim. So, you can imagine, the headmaster had a responsibility

to send a letter to the parents. And, I want to read it to you, guys.

So, reads impart, quote, information regarding alleged inappropriate behavior by a current parent toward a student was brought to my attention.

I want you to know that the parent has been prohibitted from entering the campus and additional security measures have been in placed.

PINSKY: Leeann, is that sufficient?

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: You know, I think they are just trying to cover their butts, Dr. Drew. I mean, look, let us face it. This woman

is 47 years old. Rape is rape is rape. I do not care what she looks like. I do not care. You know, I hate the headlines of, "Oh, she is a

cheerleader." Because it makes you think that she is younger than she is.

She is the mother of three children. She has a 15-year-old son and she is raping this boy? There is no excuse for that. She knows better. She is

the adult. And, her friends that are coming out, Dr. Drew, they are like, "Oh, we never guess it. She is so perfect and sh is on the PTA board."

Really? Of course they are going to say that, Dr. Drew. Becasue can you imagine being her friend and you knew for months over the summer that she

is raping a 15-year-old boy and you do not say anything allegedly?

PINSKY: Well -- yes. It is all allegation. That is right. At this point, it is allegation. So, maybe they know something we do not know. But, Sam,

one of Molly`s friends has spoken out.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: What is going on there.

SCHACHER: A couple of friends have spoken out, Dr. Drew. One of the friends said that she was shocked by the allegation.

PINSKY: It did not fit.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: It did not fit her character.

SCHACHER: They imagined her to be so perfect and they almost envied her lifestyle. Another friend --

TWEEDEN: Huh!

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Who said that? Is that Leeann?

TWEEDEN: That was me. Of course.

SCHACHER: Exactly!

TWEEDEN: I mean come on! Do not you all remember saying almost fire on Demi Moore`s character. They all thought she was this perfect rich girl

and then she was living this lie --

SCHACHER: You never know.

TWEEDEN: -- and then you find out about it. You never know.

PINSKY: I like Leeann`s expression of disgust and righteous indignation. The one -- huh!

SCHACHER: Yes. Yes. Exactly.

TWEEDEN: Come on. She is a grown-ass woman. She should know better.

SCHACHER: Well, one of the friend actually described her as very logical, and that is why they are so surprised becasue they cannot imagine somebody

like her who has worked so hard -- this is according to the friend, and is logical to throw it all away.

PINSKY: And, Judy, this is an emotional disorder, would you say?

HO: That is right. And, also, when somebody is so perfectionistic, they keeps always trying to keep their behavior together, at some point it is

going to blow up because you do not have any coping skills.

PINSKY: And, there are all kinds of other evidence here, Chris. The developmental stuff. We saw those tweets where she had, you know, all the

happy faces.

SCHACHER: All the imojis, which is like -- it is a 16-year-old.

DONAGHUE: Absolutely. She was clearly grooming him. There was some stalker-type behavior. This was not something that happened as a one off

out of the blue. This is something that she built up slowly over time. So, this is a woman who thought about what she was doing every step of the

way. And, that is what makes her more dangerous.

TWEEDEN: Dr. Drew, she needs to serve time in jail. She needs to be held accountable for her actions and not just, you know, given time off for

because she is a rich woman.

PINSKY: First, she has to be found guilty. At this point, these are all allegations. Next up, a video that has millions of hits. A woman

pretending to be drunk. An actress, pretending to be drunk and then you will be amazed at the way men behave in response to her intoxication.

Later, Kim Kardashian, naked and now just released more explicit photos. More of Kim, more than you ever want to see. Back after this.

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JENNIFER BOX, ACTRESS PRETENDING TO BE DRUNK: Hey, guys. Today, I am on Hollywood Boulevard. I have had a little too much to drink. Let us see if

anyone will help me get home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Where are you going?

BOX: Hi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hey!

BOX: How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: What is your name?

BOX: I am Jennifer Box. I am trying to find the bus to Culver City.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: The bus? You do not need to take a bus. Come on.

BOX: No. But, I need to find the --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: No. No. No. We are going this way.

BOX: I think it is that way. The Culver City.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: We are going to go somewhere else.

BOX: Will you help me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: We are going to go somewhere else.

BOX: Where are we going to go?

BOX: To my house.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Evy, Kelvin and Tiffany. And, that video is from YouTube. It is a social experiment allegedly. An actress pretends to be

drunk looking for a bus stop. She is approached by random men like the guy you just saw in that video. Her encounter with various men, and this guy

particularly, goes from bad to worse. Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: There is a bus line at my house.

BOX: Really?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: There is a bus line that goes right here from my house. Come on. It is right there.

BOX: Oh, OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: I got a water bed. I got all of that.

BOX: really?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: You can sleep at my house. So, let us go.

BOX: OK. Let us go.

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PINSKY: Sam, major debate erupting on our Facebook page.

SCHACHER: Yes. While many people are vilifying the men for clearly taking advantage of a girl that is intoxicated. A lot of people are blaming her

for getting drunk and putting herself in a dangerous position. And, also - -

PINSKY: Well, she was not actually drunk, was she?

SCHACHER: Well, playing to be drunk.

PINSKY: Playing to be drunk. OK.

SCHACHER: You know what I mean.

PINSKY: If somebody would done that.

SCHACHER: If that was a real case. Exactly. And, I think what is shocking too is one of the five men that were featured, just one of them

offered to help her. But, let us talk about those facebook comments. So, Allen writes, quote, "If you are a woman drunk and alone, be prepared to be

raped. Women think it is OK to be stupid and have no consequences" --

PINSKY: Whoa! Be prepared to be raped?

SCHACHER: Yes. From Carla, she writes, "Men are pigs. In this experiment, did anyone offer her a taxi ride or anything to sober her up ?

PINSKY: One did. Did not they?

SCHACHER: One of the five, correct. And, then John wrote, "I am a guy, but these guys really suck."

PINSKY: All right, Kelvin, where do you fall in on this? They suck? Is this representative? I saw you shaking your head at that one comment about

being prepared to be raped. That is insane.

WASHINGTON: Yes. Allen took it way too far, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes.

WASHINGTON: Yes, I will say that a woman holds some responsibility. Not in the fact, of course, no one deserves to be raped. Let us put that

there. A huge period there.

PINSKY: Wait. Wait. I got to stop you, Kelvin. Because I saw Evy almost come out of her chair. So, go ahead, Evy have a response to that.

(LAUGHING)

POMPOURAS: Well, you know? I am wondering. I have to say, how do we know for sure that it was just these five men? How do we know there were not

another ten men that did try to help her.

PINSKY: All right, fair enough.

POMPOURAS: And, that is what -- this is edited. You know, aside from my husband, my brothers and my best friend, and I know for a fact if that were

my brother, he would not have behaved that way nor my husband.

PINSKY: I hope not.

POMPOURAS: So, I do not think that, that is indicative of all the men.

PINSKY: It is not. Go ahead, Kelvin. Finish it up.

WASHINGTON: It is not. It is not. And, Evy, so, as a man, thank you. That is not -- you know? Allen said it horribly with the Facebook message,

that they should expect to get raped. That is not true at all. I think most of the men --

PINSKY: But, somebody wrote that, though.

WASHINGTON: And, he fall in the category of men who think that piggishly. But, however, I will say, we have to start doing better. We have to start

teaching young ladies that the party life -- the whooo! --

PINSKY: How about young men? Tiffany, go ahead. Tiffany, come on now.

SMITH: I am literally sitting here fuming, because honestly as a young woman, it is not her fault at all. Guys should be raised to be shiverish.

I grew up in a family where my dad would never have done anything like that. And, you know, we are saying things like, "I know my dad or my

brother would not do this."

But, these guys are someone`s brother. This are someone`s son that are coming out onto the street in the light of day, where the police officers

are all over Hollywood Boulevard.

PINSKY: But, Tiffany, it is an interesting point here. And, I think -- Sam, do you remember the woman at the Columbia University who is carrying

her mattress around?

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Again. The point is that men make assumptions and these are assumptions that are -- I mean some men do, not all men.

SCHACHER: No. Not all men. Got it. Four out of five.

PINSKY: Well, but Evy brought up the point we do not know what went on that day in fact. But the fact that some look at those cues as green

lights for behavior that is unacceptable is really the core of the problem, is not it?

SCHACHER: Right. There needs to be more education. There needs to be more talk about what constitutes as consent and not victim blaming.

PINSKY: Kelvin, I look at a woman like that, and that is a woman who needs help.

WASHINGTON: She needs help.

PINSKY: Does not need exploitation.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: She is actually somebody who needs more help.

POMPOURAS: You know what, guys? I have to say one thing, it is not blaming the victim, but a lot of onus is on the victim. You know, ifs i

walk around 6th avenue with my purse hanging open, have my cash hanging there, somebody is going to take it from me. So, I have to use common

sense.

PINSKY: But, that is little different. Your property is different from your body, is not it? You are walking around unarmed, and somebody says,

"Hey! You have a sword on you. I will stab you."

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POMPOURAS: No. Dr. Drew, night after night, we sit and we analyze these cases. There are people in the world that are bad. So, you can train.

You can educate a lot of young men, but you are still going to have a population of men who want to rape, who want to hurt. And, it is men and

women. You have to protect yourself. You cannot just be like, "Oh, it is all in the men." The victim, us as individuals, as a woman, we have to be

thoughtful and careful.

PINSKY: Fair enough. Fair enough. Let us take a look at the second man that approached the so-called intoxicated woman. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Hey, hey, hey, you OK? Hey, hey.

BOX: Hi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Are you OK?

BOX: I am trying to find the bus. I want to go to Culver City.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Culver City.

BOX: Yes. Can you show me where it is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: That is why I am here. You want to come with me? Hold on. Hold on. One step at a time. Watch your step now. The bus

is right here. I got you.

BOX: Oh, OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Now, that man did lead her to the bus stop. There is a good guy. But Kelvin, break this down with me for a second if you would, because when

you look at -- imagine a woman came up to you that way and was so flirtatious. The male brain sort of thinks, "Hey! It is me."

WASHINGTON: That has happened to me.

PINSKY: But, no, no, Sam. That is the point. No. You cannot be funny about this because men either take a beat and go what is going on with this

person? You are not some magnet that magically women can set off the street, have suddenly come up to onto you. It is something wrong with her

that she is being that way. But men do not take that beat, right Kelvin?

WASHINGTON: Well, I am just saying if you are anyone on a college campus, a lot of people, a lot of students are intoxicated. But there has to be

some type of line that we draw. Have fun, party. Do what you want to do, but know that, like Evy said, things can happen. People can take advantage

of you if you put yourself in such a state.

PINSKY: All right. Now, be careful. Be defensive. But, Tiffany --

SCHACHER: So, everybody wear a chastity belt, Dr. Drew. Tiffany, go get your chastity belt.

(LAUGHING)

SMITH: I will put my chastity belt on later when I walk down Hollywood Boulevard. But, you know, I was in college, there were definitely nights

where I felt unsafe walking home.

But, in those moments, yes I took the steps to say, "OK, there is a police officer. I am going to ask him to drive me home. My friends and I did

that many times. But, what really annoys me is the fact that you, guys, are saying she is flirting with them. She is absolutely not even flirting.

PINSKY: But, you have to understand, that is my point, Tiffany. I agree with you, but I know as a male -- males, particularly young males,

interpret that behavior --

SMITH: Walking up to someone and saying hello is immediately flirting?

PINSKY: I am telling you -- Kelvin, back me up on this. Am I right?

WASHINGTON: I am trying to agree with you on this one, Dr. Drew. But, however, I will say that they know she is drunk and they know they can take

advantage of her, and there are those guys who look for that chance and opportunity.

POMPOURAS: Opportunity.

PINSKY: Well, that is Evy`s world. Welcome to Evy`s world now.

POMPOURAS: It is opportunity. If you create the opportunity for somebody to attack you, to assault you, to rape you, you have to think about that.

Offenders, criminals look for the opportunity, and you have to be careful. Do not give them that opportunity.

PINSKY: Anybody have a problem with the fact that she was doing a social experiment on humans without any consent, without any human subject

reviewed. Evy, do you have a problem with it?

POMPOURAS: No. I think it is a great. I think that is a great idea. And, it shows, you know what? The evil side or the bad side of people,

unfortunately.

PINSKY: Sam, your stand?

SCHACHER: That is YouTube, Dr. Drew. Their faces are blurred.

PINSKY: No. What I am saying when you do something to a human and call it an experiment, you have a lot of ethical obligations that are implied

immediately.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: So, if you want to say it is a social joke or it is a social experience, but if you call it an experiment, now a lot of issues --

SCHACHER: Well, that is coming from a clinician.

PINSKY: I am just saying.

SCHACHER: I do not think I would think of it that way.

PINSKY: All right. Listen. Next, more on this social experience. I do not want to call it an experiment because I do not want to validate that

and what you are saying about that video.

And, later, Kim Kardashian reveals -- well, everything now. New images just out, and we are going to look at it. Perez Hilton is going to be

here. He is going to tell us -- I think he is going to tell me, how much she got paid. Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: What is up?

BOX: Hi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: You are stumbling all over the place.

BOX: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: (EXPLICIT WORD) What are you drinking there?

BOX: Beer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: All right. I see. So you like to party, huh? If you want to go, maybe hang out. We can go back to my spot.

BOX: That is so nice of you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Let us go. Come on.

BOX: OK. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Good on you.

BOX: Why are you doing this for me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: I just want to help you so much.

BOX: Oh.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam and the behavior bureau, Judy, Leeann, and Chris. That video from YouTube has nearly 4.5 million views. It is an actress

allegedly pretending to be drunk and looking for a bus stop. Most of the men who approached like what you just saw tried to take them home, instead.

Sam, tell me about Twitter.

SCHACHER: OK. So, we have a tweet and we have Facebook comment. Which one you want me to start with?

PINSKY: Twitter.

SCHACHER: OK. The tweet. We have a tweet from Lindsey, and she writes, "I live in a college town where this happens all the time. The girls are

looked at as trashy and the men are not. This has to stop."

PINSKY: Well, that is something that really -- can I just take a beat on that one, because that actually really bothers me. Leeann, I will start

with you. This is something that is bothering me for a long time. Women, particularly women with substance and alcohol problems, we reserve very

special negative category, such as, -- you know, what do we call them, vamps and tramps and --

SCHACHER: Whore --

PINSKY: Whore.

SCHACHER: Sluts.

PINSKY: Just because they are intoxicated. Men, hard drinking, hardworking. You know, they like to party. But, women, these incredibly

bad, negative terms, you reserve only for women and they all imply some sort of uncontrolled sexuality. Leeann, what do you say?

TWEEDEN: OK. Well, Dr. Drew, in regards to this video, I blame both of them, OK? It is not cool for a guy to take advantage of an obviously --

well, acting, but obviously inebriated girl that does not have her whits about her.

But, I also take -- I am a little mad at the girl, because in this situation, to me you know I am all about self-responsibility. So, at some

point, are you going to be walking down Hollywood Boulevard in your miniskirt and you high, high heels.

I am not trying to blame her for having men hit on her and try to take her home. But, at some point, when are you going to have self-control and not

be the drunk out in public?

PINSKY: All right. Fair enough. Chris, are you getting what I am getting at here, though, how we reserve a special negative energy for women?

DONAGHUE: Yes, we definitely love to slut shame women.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: But, why would alcohol and substances, we specially put that energy right there?

DONAGHUE: I think because alcohol puts people at their most vulnerable. And, so, we are willing to jump on and label them. But, again, I do not

want to make it about gender. I think both parties are responsible. I think the guys are being manipulative and cursive and that is really

dangerous. But, if you are going to drink, and drink to points of not able to take care of yourself, you should stop drinking and you are not drinking

responsibly --

PINSKY: And, but why cannot we take care of one another, if somebody is vulnerable like that. Sam, give the Facebook comment?

SCHACHER: The Facebook question and I think that this is an intriguing question for the behavioral bureau. Brigitte writes, quote, "Woman, would

most likely want to genuinely help anyone, man or woman in an incapacitated state. However, why do men view it as an opportunity?

PINSKY: Well, we got to get to Judy now. Judy, what do you say?

HO: I do not think that, that comment is really fair. You know, again, that gender divide -- I do not think that you can say all women want to

help and men do not. I have the same problems that you had in the last block, Dr. Drew with this, being an experiment. I am not going to call it

an experiment, because there is clearly ethical issues with that.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: Because, they never debrief these individuals. They never told them.

PINSKY: It is so funny. People do not understand the implications. They are profound.

HO: Right. So, they never debriefed these individuals. They did not really go through the protocol. But, you know, besides all of that

researchy stuff, the problem I have with this, too, is she was clearly in some of these tapes that we are seeing, kind of entrapping them into

getting into a sexualized -- she is holding their hand back, she is letting them put her arm around.

So, what kind of response would you expect? That coupled with what you were talking about earlier, with the fact that women are often seen as

sluts and they deserve it, you know? All of those things play a role into why these situations occurred in the four out of five on this video.

PINSKY: Let us look at some fourth and fifth men who approaches on her. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): You should not be walking around like this. Can I take you to a lift?

BOX: You know where the bus to Culver City.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): I know --

BOX: I think it is that way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): Come with me. I will take you to my place. I got some beer, too.

BOX: Really? You are kind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (2): Whoa, whoa, you are not going home with him. She is coming home with me. (EXPLICIT WORD)

BOX: I needed a bus.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Just come with me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: All right, Leeann, what do you want to say to this?

TWEEDEN: That is just vile and disgusting. But, what I was going to say is, I think it is in men is DNA. They are taking the lowest hanging fruit.

I mean men are just --

PINSKY: Thank you. Thank you, Leeann.

TWEEDEN: No. Really. I think they are wired to just take whatever is easiest. They do not have to expend a lot of energy. They should think

about it in a very animalistic sense. I mean they are going to take whatever is easy.

PINSKY: Yes.

TWEEDEN: I am not saying it is OK for the guy.

DONAGHUE: I do not agree with that.

HO: I do not agree with that.

PINSKY: Well, I have always said men behave like a cat of prey. They see a herd going by, they go after the one that --

TWEEDEN: Exactly.

SCHACHER: So, they are predators and we are prey?

TWEEDEN: Yes.

PINSKY: I am just saying. I want the one defending the young lady and we are trying to take this issue without the men behave. But -- now, I want

to show you, guys, a tweet though that is a little disturbing. And, I do not know if this is true or not. We are hearing while this is being -- we

are live, and while this is broadcasting, you put this tweet up. It is from Mickey. It says it has been proven -- am I -- be able to be -- yes --

been proven that everyone in the video, everyone was acting.

SCHACHER: Really?

PINSKY: And, apparently, the smoking gun has some information that confirms that. Again, I do not have any independent corroboration nor as

HLN. There is the smoking gun home page. Now, put that back up.

SCHACHER: Wow!

TWEEDEN: That is why I hate these videos, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Put it up again, please. There it is.

SCHACHER: But, listen, I walk down Hollywood Boulevard every day and these are the types of people that you would see. We saw the guy with the big

sombreros, the tourist hat. They did a good job casting this. I will give them that.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Well, I am saying -- But, I am saying this is a worthwhile conversation. It is an important conversation and it is bothered me. I

did not know that in the middle of that we were going to find the smoking gun, we are going a post from them.

But, I am always bothered but how people take -- remember -- where that town was when the girl who was severely intoxicated and those young high

school kids -- was it college or high school kids? They took advantage of her. That always troubled me so much.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Because it is exactly the person that needs the protection and support of her community. It is exactly the wrong person. Are you getting

that Chris? The one person really is not well and needs help.

DONAGHUE: Yes. Absolutely. But, again, I still want to make it a little bit of a message about alcohol use, that me and you, Drew, we both work

with a lot of addicts. And, people have to be a little more aware about the use of alcohol and how it impacts their lives.

PINSKY: And, I think Judy part of it is being aware of how you impact other people. You said entrapment. Well, she is not aware of that. She

maybe who know what she has responded to; but, she has to be realistic how people are responding to the cues that she is putting out.

HO: Right. The actress was using entrapment. Somebody who actually has a substance issue or is intoxicated would not be using entrapment. But, this

is part of my problem about blaming the woman.

Because, at that point, she really does not have the ware with all to know what kind of signals she is putting out, yet our society does tend to shame

women and basically blame them for putting themselves in the situation in the first place, and I have a similar problem with that.

PINSKY: And, I do not want Leeann diminish your point that it is important to raise awareness about that, so they do have self-responsibility and I

want to raise awareness at the same time that the young males need to have -- need to take a beat. Try to look where that girl is coming from. It is

not about you, sir.

SCHACHER: Agree.

PINSKY: Next, Kim Kardashian has a revealing magazine cover. Perez Hilton joins me. There is now frontal photos. We are going to talk about it all

after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: "Paper" Magazine tried to break the internet by posting a photo of Kim Kardashian`s famous backside.

BILL MAHER, LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW HOST: It is an ass. It is been around for centuries. Dogs are fixated on it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER (1): We gave ourselves one assignment, Break The Internet. It is almost like a little TMI, actually.

Whether or not it is real or was it photo shopped going on there?

In the last 24 hours, there has been 86,000 tweets about this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Tiffany, Kelvin and joining us, Perez Hilton of PerezHilton.com. Perez, thanks for joining us. Last time I heard from

you, you were off on an adventure with Benjy Bronk on Howard Stern. You survived that. Good time. Welcome. Welcome back.

PEREZ HILTON, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Thank you.

PINSKY: This is the most tweeted story today. Kim Kardashian baring it all on the latest issue of "Paper" Magazine. First, there was an image of

her from behind. Now, some new photos have been released and these leave nothing to the imaginization. Sam, what else?

SCHACHER: OK, Dr. Drew. First of all, these puns that I am seeing are hysterical, but, OK. So, "Paper" Magazine, they released two photos before

this full frontal, right?

The first one is of Kim Kardashian. She has a champagne glass perfectly positioned. There it is right there on top of her booty. Then it has the

hash tag, Break The Internet, Kim Kardashian. The second photo, which we had to sensor, because it is a little too hot for Dr. Drew on Call.

Perhaps, maybe we can show it on the after show?

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: OK. And, it is greased. Her whole backside, her back, it is all shiny.

PINSKY: This is the one that Perez was tweeting about today, actually, Breaking The Internet.

SCHACHER: And, Kanye tweeted it too. Her husband Kanye West tweeted it with the hash tag, "All night."

PINSKY: And, so, Perez, why are people so worked up about this?

SCHACHER: Or all day? Exactly.

HILTON: Well, there are a lot of reasons why people are worked up about it. One, she is a mother. Two, we have already seen it before.

PINSKY: Right.

HILTON: And, three, and perhaps, I think the most accurate one, a lot of people are jealous. Let me break it down for you. You may criticize her,

but you wish you were famous as her and you wish you had her money. Maybe you would not want to do it the exact same way. But, I think there is a

lot of jealousy at play here. I think, "Hey! She looks great." What I have done it? I am a dad. I am not going to show my penis to people, but

for her --

PINSKY: Thank you. Thank you for that.

HILTON: For her brand, it is really important to keep everybody talking.

PINSKY: She has done it. She has done it. Tiffany, you are laughing at what Perez is sayin, but what he is saying makes sense to me. Is one of

the people manifesting their jealousies by saying she has had plastic repairs or has had some sort of enhancements done?

SMITH: I mean -- I do not know if it is a jealousy thing. From my perspective, I saw that and I thought, like, "Wow, how does she shop for

underwear?" But, I really think, you know, people are commenting because if it is fake, tell us, girl. Because other girls are going to see this

and be like, "I want that." You know, it is the same thing as photo shopping for a girl that is a lot skinnier, you know?

PINSKY: Wait. Wait. Perez, you are saying it is fake. What is fake?

HILTON: I mean what is not photo shopped about these photos?

PINSKY: Yes.

HILTON: However, I want to point out, not only was her bum photo shopped to make it look bigger, but her areola was photo shopped to make it look

smaller.

SCHACHER: That bothers me.

HILTON: I am an expert on Kim Kardashian`s vagina and not her boobs.

SCHACHER: I just wish that photo shopping was not so prevalent, because I wish that we could look at women in all different shapes and sizes, big

nips, little nips and accept them for who they are, because I look at this ass and I am like, "Damn, I feel really inadequate. I need to do some

lunges."

PINSKY: OK. Here we go, Kelvin. So, this is --

HILTON: I think --

PINSKY: Go ahead, Perez, finish up.

HILTON: I think that it is important, though that we let the viewers know that these photos are a reinterpretation of very famous photos that the

same photographer took previously. And, those images were photo shopped, as well. So, it is not like it they are going for reality.

PINSKY: Right. But, Kelvin how about the fact, though, with what Sam brings up that she, by encouraging all this, may be endangering other

women`s bodies.

SCHACHER: Yes.

WASHINGTON: That is a good point. There are already women -- there is a known fact, and Perez, I am sure you know, with butt shots. A lot of women

are getting butt shots. A lot of women have died of lost limbs from taking these injections, not doing them the proper way.

There are a lot of black women who are owed an apology, because black women had butts for years and they were made fun of and they are ridiculed for

this. So, now, butts are now all about the thing. Maybe sir mix a lot was a prophet 20 to 30 years ago. That is all we talk about now. It has

gotten crazy. Mothers are on Instagram, saying goodnight with nips showing.

SCHACHER: Selfies.

WASHINGTON: Selfies with their butts in the mirrors.

PINSKY: All right. All right. Hold on. Had enough for the moment. We are going to take a quick break.

SCHACHER: You took a belfie, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Belfie?

SCHACHER: Yes. You did.

PINSKY: What is a belfie?

SCHACHER: You took a butt selfie, remember? Like a month ago, and we post it on our Instagram. We will find it. We will find it.

PINSKY: It is not true. That better not be true.

SMITH: He does not even remember it happened.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: It is not going to be exciting, I promise. So, let us find it. I think the picture will speak for itself in my defense.

SMITH: OK.

PINSKY: Next up. We have a pole question. Do you think there was thre was enhancement of her rear end there? Take the pole on Facebook page.

The results after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Tiffany, Kelvin and Perez Hilton. We are talking about Kim Kardashian`s most recent photo shoot, which prominently features

some of her famous features. Here is the poll of the day. Do you think Kim Kardashian`s butt is enhanced? I like the language here. I would use

that myself. 83 percent say yes. 17 percent no, Sam.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, you know what I am hearing right now?

PINSKY: What?

SCHACHER: The moment we have been waiting for, we have your belfie.

PINSKY: Oh, fantastic.

SCHACHER: Can we see the belfie, please.

PINSKY: Tiffany, do not look --

SCHACHER: Perez, get ready.

PINSKY: See how exciting that is? That was the point I was making, which is not so exciting. I was making fun of people that would do that. What,

Kelvin, what? You are making a fist.

HILTON: I am so disappointed in you, Dr. Drew. Come on. If you were making fun of people, though, it is OK, though. It is OK.

PINSKY: Back in -- OK.

SMITH: Take a moment.

SCHACHER: You have no excuses.

PINSKY: Perez, do not draw any funny pictures on that. That is all I am saying.

SCHACHER: Please do, Perez.

HILTON: I will not.

PINSKY: Thank you. Now, back in 2011, Kim took a picture on keeping up with the Kardashians, showing an extra of her pelvis to prove -- there it

is. That is the x-ray, with nothing in there of a plastic nature. Perez, is that nature or has it been changed or is that even her x-ray?

HILTON: I wanted to show you -- I am wearing my Kim Kardashian sweater for the occasion, making the ugly crying face. You know, Kim is not a beacon

for authenticity. Even her waist, she has been waist training. I do not think she is perpetuating. She is real or keeping it real and she has

remained mom and said nothing about the photo shop issue in these photos. So, I just look at it as entertainment and I am thrilled I have been able

to be on here talking about her boobs and her butt.

PINSKY: And, do not forget, she nearly broke the internet today.

HILTON: She did.

PINSKY: You were part of this.

HILTON: I want to see Kris Jenner do this next.

PINSKY: Tiffany, what about the real impact that this kind of unrealistic body image this can create? If Sam feels bad about her body, imagine what

other women may feel, like they have to have that?

SMITH: Yes, she is saying there is no implants, but you can take fat from other parts of your body and put it places. On top of that, I just want to

say, we landed a spaceship on a comet today, and Kim Kardashian is butt is being talked about.

PINSKY: Look at that tweet.

SMITH: How about a woman with a big brain instead of a big ass? And the woman that landed something on a comet today.

SCHACHER: If we were to talk about unphoto shopped celebrities, why not have Keira knightly break the internet when she insisted if she is going to

do this, I want to be unphoto shopped.

PINSKY: I know a woman with a big brain. I do want to say, happy birthday to my wife, Toni. She has a big brain, nice body, as well. We need to

stop glorifying this stuff. It is getting crazy. Perez, last thought. You still think it is just fun?

HILTON: You know, I think it is all thanks to Kanye West. We have him to blame for this because he convinced Kim is art.

PINSKY: He also wants her to have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

SCHACHER: Danine is saying -- this is getting nasty.

PINSKY: This shows how truly pathetic her husband is. Exactly, what Perez just said.

SCHACHER: Perez, are you going to make those shirts with the pictures that just came out?

HILTON: I already posted those.

PINSKY: We have got to go, guys. "FORENSIC FILES" up next.

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