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Hazmat Suited Officials Pull Ebola Jokester Off Plane; Efforts in West Africa to Contain Ebola; Where in the World Is Kim Jong-un?; Where is Kim Jong-Un?; Microsoft's CEO Apologizes

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: What about you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Team Dog.

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Thanks for joining me today. Have a great weekend. I'm don lemon.

"@THIS HOUR" with Berman and Michaela starts right now.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN CO-ANCHOR: Fear, anger, and immediate action after an airline passenger claims he has Ebola. It is all caught on tape.

MICHAELA PEREIRA: And have you seen this man? North Korean leader Kim Jong-un a no-show at a major event.

New intrigue, new questions about just who is running this rogue nation, a nation with nuclear weapons.

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SATYA NADELLA, MICROSOFT CEO: It's not really about asking for the raise but knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PEREIRA: Oh, yeah, that's right, ladies. Just trust, gals. Just trust you'll get a raise if you think you deserve it. Don't wait to ask for it. Don't wait to ask for it. Do you hear what he's saying?

Some advice from the CEO of Microsoft, that's only a bit of what he had to say. Wait for it.

BERMAN: Hello, everyone, I'm John Berman.

PEREIRA: Do you know it's Friday today, John?

BERMAN: Oh, I know. I know. Every fiber of my being knows it's Friday today.

PEREIRA: Hi, there. I'm Michaela Pereira. We have those stories and so much more ahead @THIS HOUR. BERMAN: This is where we start. A man stands up in an airplane and

says, "I have Ebola. You're all screwed." That's where we begin this hour because, folks, Ebola is no joking matter. It has killed more than 3,800 people.

PEREIRA: We know this virus is highly infectious so that's -- Ebola scare triggered an immediate response. Our Alexandra Field has details.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, here's the situation. I need everybody to sit down.

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That was the announcement from a flight attendant just before several health officials in full hazmat suits boarded a U.S. Airways flight in the Dominican Republic.

A passenger posted this video and local reports say the man said, "I have Ebola. You're all screwed."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please stay out of their way. Let them do their jobs.

FIELD: The flight from Philadelphia was checked and cleared, but kept passengers stuck on the plane for two hours. It's unclear what happened to the man who made the claim.

This incident only the beginning of a new front in the fight to stop the spread of Ebola. Passengers leaving the hot zone will be checked for symptoms, answering questions, and having their temperatures taken when they arrive state side at five major U.S. airports. New York City's JFK International, Newark, Washington Dulles, Atlanta and Chicago O'Hare.

DR. THOMAS FRIEDEN, CDC DIRECTOR: We expect to see some patients with fever and that will cause some obvious and understandable concern at the airport.

FIELD: More than 50 million passengers travelled through JFK last year, but the new procedures will impact just a tiny fraction.

Exams will be done in special areas designated by Customs and Border Protection. An onsite CDC health officer will step in to evaluate any potential Ebola case. Passengers leaving Sierra Leone, Liberia, and Guinea are already screened before boarding planes out of those countries.

GOVERNOR CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Of course I'm concerned. I don't think there's anybody in the country who's not concerned about the situation with Ebola. We're not ready at the airports yet, but we will be.

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PEREIRA: So, in addition to the new Ebola screenings that are set to start at U.S. airports, Washington is intensifying its effort to fight Ebola where it is so we do not have to fight it here at home.

So six U.S. military aircraft have now delivered more marines, more airmen, and more supplies to Liberia. Right now more than 300 U.S. troops are in that Ebola hot zone. There will be 700 American force there is by the end of the month.

BERMAN: Sean Kaufman joins us now from that hot zone, from Liberia. He is president of the biosafety firm, Behavioral-Based Improvement Solutions. He was also part of the CDC response team during the anthrax attacks and the SARS outbreaks. Sean has been in Liberia facing this Ebola epidemic head on you.

You just returned, Sean, from the epicenter of what's going on, ground zero, give us a sense of what's happening on the ground.

SEAN KAUFMAN, PRESIDENT, BEHAVIORAL-BASED IMPROVEMENT SOLUTIONS: Well, I think there are many folks coming in to Liberia with many different missions and a collective group of people that are working together to, in fact, face this horrible and very difficult challenge.

PEREIRA: Does it feel like a coordinated effort and do you feel as though the resources are sufficient on the ground? Because we hear about the efforts that are going there. We want to mow what is actually getting to the places where it's need.

KAUFMAN: Well, I think that it's to see that we do have some more work. We've taken some great first steps here. Coordination between all agencies on the ground is always -- there's a great need for improvement, but we are seeing some of that.

And as far as the resources, the resources are getting here, and that's a good sign. Dispersing those resources to where they need to go because of the rain, the road conditions, that can be very difficult.

BERMAN: We were told just a few weeks ago by the president and others that if nothing is done to help the people in west Africa, more than a million people could be infected with Ebola by, what, by January, by February.

PEREIRA: Sobering.

BERMAN: What I want to know, Sean, is from what you see, have we turned the tide yet? Are things still getting worse or have they begun to get better?

KAUFMAN: I think that's a great question. The reality of the situation is that we are seeing some good, positive signs. However, when we're dealing with such a dangerous outbreak like Ebola, those are not -- the good signs are not times for us to slack and congratulate ourselves.

In fact, they're times when we need to become even more vigilant and more disciplined. So we are seeing some good signs, however there are areas where disease numbers are increasing. PEREIRA: You know, it was interesting, you've been e-mailing us since

you've been there and we appreciate that. We're trying to get a sense of what's going on.

One of the things that really struck me was the note that you let us know about that SIM, one of the missionary groups, has developed an at-home kit so that, if people need to or have to, they can essentially care for their family members who are sickened with Ebola in their home.

And you talked about how that is troublesome, but essentially, in some areas, that's the best they can do?

KAUFMAN: Well, let me correct that. Samaritan's Purse, not SIMS has developed this. And that's OK. And I want to give them great credit because you have to understand there are regions in Liberia where there are no NGOs or resources at all, meaning, sick people have absolutely nowhere to go.

And until those resources get to those regions, the only thing we really, truly can do is teach people how to take care of not only themselves but others who may get sick with this.

So we're not in the same place that many folks in well developed countries are. We have some serious challenges, and the reality is, someone sick with Ebola, not only do the caregivers who are helping them need resource, but those people do as well.

BERMAN: Sean, I can't let you go without asking this. We know so many medical professionals who have been on the frontlines dealing with Ebola have become sick themselves.

So when you are out there face to face with this virus, level with me. Are you scared?

KAUFMAN: I think the best term is to be respectful of the risk. So it's not that I am scared. I know Ebola. I know the science behind Ebola, but I respect its risk.

And I will tell you this, I walk everywhere armed with hand sanitizer. We are doing everything we possibly can to keep ourselves and our team safe as we face this horrible challenge.

PEREIRA: As we say good-bye to you, how long are you staying there? When are we expecting you back stateside?

KAUFMAN: I am counting the days down. We've got seven more days, and I will be on my way home to my beautiful wife and three kids.

PEREIRA: And obviously you'll be taking precautions on the way back because you'll have been exposed. You'll obviously -- you're the man that know this is better than anybody about the care and attention that needs to be taken.

Sean Kaufman, we've gotten to know you here @THIS HOUR. We appreciate you tuning into us and chiming in from Monrovia, Liberia, one of the areas, the so-called hot zone of west Africa, that is certainly suffering from this outbreak. Thank you so much, Sean.

BERMAN: Yeah, thanks for your work, too.

KAUFMAN: Thank you, John. Thank you, Michaela. It's my pleasure.

PEREIRA: You do take care.

Later this hour, we're going to take a look at some of the methods of treatment. It seems like there's been variation in some of the treatment that certain patients are getting and others are not.

We're going to talk about the treatment and how they dole out the medication, et cetera, in the fight to battle Ebola. That's coming up in the program.

BERMAN: Certainly different results. All right, another big story we're following right now. Food is running out in the Syrian town of Kobani, this as ISIS pushes its siege.

U.S. Central Command confirms that since yesterday it launched two air strikes in or around Kobani, destroying ISIS infrastructure and vehicles, damaging a tank. U.S. warplanes along with forces from United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia also launched a half dozen more strikes in Syria, plus one in Iraq.

Just across the border in Turkey, protests raged as demands grew for the Turkish government to do more -- frankly, do anything -- to beat back ISIS. Thirty-six people, including two police officers, have been killed in protests since Wednesday.

Turkish officials claim they are, quote, "on Kobani's side," but they say they will not conduct a ground offensive on their own.

PEREIRA: Ahead @THIS HOUR, where is he? Where is Kim Jong-un? He missed a major North Korean event today, the kind of event with a healthy leader with a healthy grip on power would be front and center, but he was nowhere to be seen.

BERMAN: All right, plus, you will not believe the answer or the non- answer or the political gymnastics performed by this Senate candidate when asked a very, very simple question.

Stay with us.

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BERMAN: Who is in charge in North Korea? It's a rogue nation with nuclear weapons, by the way.

The reclusive, repressive leader there is nowhere to be seen. He was a no-show at a major political event today honoring his late father and grandfather, which fuels the conspiracy theories about just where he is.

PEREIRA: Yeah. And where he has been. He hasn't been seen in public for more than a month now. His conspicuous absence at this anniversary celebration that John just mentioned, of the Workers' Party is adding to the speculation about his health and his grip on power.

Officials in Washington, however, tell CNN there's no evidence he's having serious health problems or that his regime is in trouble.

Peter Brookes is a former CIA agent, now with the Heritage Foundation. Washington's saying there's no indication there's a problem. Yet -- yet -- he was a no-show at this very event that was to honor his father and his grandfather, this dynasty that has ruled that area for some time now.

That's significant. We can't really downplay that, can we?

PETER BROOKES, FORMER CIA AGENT: Well, I think it's probably true he's having health problems, and you have to remember, Michaela, that in North Korea they developed a cult of personality. This leader -- they were just giving him credit for the tremendous -- how well the North Korean athletes did at the Asian games, so they want this person to look invincible. You can't be invincible and be sick. So this is maybe a calculation on their part that they don't want him to come into public even with a limp.

Of course the -- his health could be much worse. I mean, you can go back to the Cold War, there were times like in the 1970s when Leonid Brezhnev had major heart attack and he -- was basically incapacitated for months before he died and then they finally announced it. So we could have something like the Kremlin flu going on here.

I think what the government is talking about, the U.S. government and others, is that they're not seeing any sort of power shifts. They're not seeing military units move. They're not seeing security services seemed to be alerted. They're not seeing any major changes in the movement of senior officials. So for them, on the outside, they're not seeing anything so he might have a terrible cold and they just don't want the North Korean people to see it.

BERMAN: We just looked at video of him obviously limping in pictures there.

PEREIRA: Yes. Yes.

BERMAN: He may have a hurt knee for all we know.

PEREIRA: Bad blister.

BERMAN: And Michaela mentioned what the U.S. government is saying, they're saying, the guy drinks a lot, smokes a lot and doesn't work out. And the South Koreans are suggesting maybe --

PEREIRA: There maybe something to that.

BERMAN: He may be convalescing somewhere at one of his homes. My question to you is how much is really known, Peter, about his grip on power? BROOKES: Very little. I mean, I think people think he has

consolidated power. You know, a lot of things that come out of North Korea, there are some news agency there is, but the North Korean officials aren't talking to them openly like we have here in the United States so there's a lot of rumor, there's a lot of speculation.

We get news out of Beijing which has a close relationship with North Korea but we really don't know. We don't have an embassy there. As I mentioned yesterday, the most senior Americans have met with him is Dennis Rodman, the basketball player, and that was some months ago. So, yes, it's very, very difficult. It's a closely -- it's a reclusive society, a reclusive regime and sometimes they might even use the disappearance of a leader for their own purposes internationally. Such as people are paying attention to North Korea now.

You know, this may be a "I won't be ignored" moment. So you know, there's a lot of thing there is and it's very, very difficult to get good information so that's the reason for the rumors and speculation and concern as well.

PEREIRA: Yes. And that's the part that we don't want to forget to mention is the concern because the instability, the repression, the fact that, you know, they have nuclear armaments, the fact that there are Americans there that are being held. So there are obvious concerns.

Peter, we'll talk to you again I'm sure next week.

BROOKES: Absolutely.

PEREIRA: This is a story that we'll be continuing to follow. Have a great weekend.

BROOKES: Thank you.

BERMAN: There were shots fired between North Korea and South Korea --

PEREIRA: Just today.

BERMAN: Today. So it makes you think if there's not someone in control there, there is reason to worry.

PEREIRA: Yes.

BERMAN: Seventeen minutes after the hour right now.

All right. There is plenty of data out there that shows that men on average earn more than women in comparable jobs. But according to the CEO of Microsoft, that's no reason for women to go asking for a raise. Why he says you should just count on karma.

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BERMAN: Let's talk your money right now. Look at that. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is actually up about 10 points. That's not a bad number considering what happened yesterday, the biggest plunge of the year, down 335 points on Thursday. Yes, that stunk. The nosedive followed a sharp jump Wednesday which marks stocks' best day of the year so far.

PEREIRA: Some advice for all of us, ladies. Here we go. Keep your head down, do your job, eventually you'll earn what you deserve.

I have to laugh as I say it. That is the controversial guidance that the male CEO of Microsoft recently gave to a room full of, oh, a room full of working women, John.

BERMAN: Yes. There is a lot of research out there that shows that women earn less than their male counterparts in similar ranks and similar jobs but Satya Nadella of Microsoft went so far as suggest that women who keep silent when they think they deserve a raise could actually enhance their earning power. This is what he said.

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SATYA NADELLA, MICROSOFT CEO: It's not really about asking for the raise, but knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along. And that I think might be one of the additional superpowers that, quite frankly, women who don't ask for a raise have. Because that's good karma. It will come back because somebody's going to know that's the kind of person that I want to trust. That's the kind of person that I want to really give more responsibility to.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PEREIRA: So I'm supposed to trust my superpowers? Wait, I don't understand.

Joining us right now, chief business correspondent Christine Romans who I believe has smoke coming out of her ears.

(LAUGHTER)

Christine, I believe that the CEO of Microsoft has since clarified. Rather, he has since said -- that's Christine. It's making music --

BERMAN: It's making the room sing with music. Sing in rage here.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: He is backpedalling.

PEREIRA: He's backpedalling.

ROMANS: He's backpedalling --

PEREIRA: He called his comments inarticulate.

ROMANS: He said he got it wrong and he is backpedaling here. He said and he tweeted this, "Was inarticulate, re: how women should ask for a raise. Our industry must close gender pay gap so a raise is not needed because of bias." What he said was that women shouldn't ask for a raise because karma is

going to make sure that the women who deserve it are going to get it.

Look, karma has not been good for women in the work force over the past, like, 40, 50, or 60 years.

BERMAN: Yes Karma is -- karma is a crappy boss.

ROMANS: Karma is not a good boss. Your boss is not going to give you a raise out of the kindness out of his or her heart. Bottom line, you're not going to get a raise for how well you're doing unless you remind the boss how well, you're doing. There are no academics. There are no human resource executive. There are no people who actually study this who say you should not ask for a raise. That was terrible advice from the Microsoft CEO and he is saying he got it wrong.

PEREIRA: Boy, did he.

BERMAN: Quickly, should men not ask for a raise or should men ask for raises, too?

ROMANS: Do you think that men are going to stop asking for raises?

BERMAN: No.

ROMANS: They know -- they intrinsically know that.

BERMAN: But no. But I'm curious. Your advice here is to all humans.

PEREIRA: Should ask for raises.

BERMAN: They should all ask for raises.

ROMANS: They should all ask for raises but we need to really take a look at the disparity between men and women.

BERMAN: Because statistics show --

ROMANS: Absolutely. Because men make more than women from -- from the starting point and women over the course of their career could end up earning up to a half million dollars less over a 40-year career because they didn't ask for a $5,000 raise sometime in their 20s.

PEREIRA: And let's even start on the conversation. We have this when you're talking about a mentee of mine. You were talking about that entry level position that can start there, they offer you this and you say, I'm so excited to have a job, sure, I'll take it. But that starts out your deficit.

ROMANS: Well, no, it's where you see -- the finish line begins on where you started, right? And so women are starting right where at the number that their boss is first giving them.

Look, a lot of bosses are expecting you to ask for more. If you don't know that, they're asking but they're not going to give it to you because they have bosses who are trying to make sure that their budgets are in line and they're not spending more. The most important thing for young women, I think, in particular -- and I think they get this. When you look at some census figures from 2008, you can see that a childless college-educated woman in a major city makes more than men.

So for young women, for y'all women they might be the changing game here. But on average, that's median pay right there. But it's different. So for younger women this might not be, I hope, such a big deal. But when you have a major American CEO saying don't ask for a raise, even if he tries to walk it back. This is the number one conversation happening around watercoolers today.

BERMAN: How are things in the tech world, thought? Is it perhaps that the tech world is perfect and he's in a fantasy world where everyone is (INAUDIBLE)?

ROMANS: No. No.

PEREIRA: Even at Microsoft how is it.

ROMANS: It's male and it's white. And when you look at leadership, when you look at leadership at Microsoft in particular, predominantly male, predominantly male.

Now look, there are these superstars in tech, women, who are right up there at the top. Maybe they didn't ask for raises along the way but then the company goes public, they make a zillion dollars. You know, I mean, maybe there's this exception for that small sliver. But overall women don't have these cool -- these great jobs in tech. There are some high-profile women, do not get me wrong. You know, we were talking about leaning in.

PEREIRA: Yes.

ROMANS: I mean, this is like just --

PEREIRA: Laying down.

ROMANS: You know. I mean, women have to stand up for themselves and ask for a raise.

PEREIRA: I think -- I think our Nischelle Turner, our colleague here at CNN, said it very well.

ROMANS: This is great.

PEREIRA: She says, "Karma isn't paying my rent."

ROMANS: Karma is not paying your rent and karma and just being silent isn't going to get you -- let me give you one quick, quick example. Sorry, can't stop talking.

PEREIRA: She's not fired up about this at all, can you tell?

ROMANS: So imagine this. The international business dealer for a big company, a woman, she does a great job bringing you these big contracts, making the best deals for her company. She goes to her boss and finally says, "I'd like a raise." And her boss says, "It's a really good thing you just said that because our board said do we know for sure that she's getting the best deals for us in all of our contracts if she can't come here and speak for herself?"

PEREIRA: Good point.

ROMANS: Think about that.

PEREIRA: Yes.

ROMANS: How you represent yourself with your bosses is an extension of how well you do your job.

PEREIRA: Really good point. We're going to go have a conversation.

BERMAN: Christine Romans, always nice to see you. Thank you so much.

ROMANS: Have a good weekend.

BERMAN: You know, you can see Christine Romans this is Saturday with "CNN MONEY". That's at 2:30 p.m. Eastern Time. She also happens to anchor a show called "EARLY START" that airs every day at 4:00 a.m.

ROMANS: Rise and shine.

BERMAN: That's karma.

ROMANS: The early bird gets the worm.

BERMAN: 4:00 a.m. is karma.

ROMANS: That is karma.

PEREIRA: Is it odd having both of your TV wives here at the same time, dear?

BERMAN: That's -- it's deeply troubling and uncomfortable.

(LAUGHTER)

But go ahead.

PEREIRA: Should we revel in it a little bit?

Christine, thanks so much for that.

Great day for women overall today. The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Malala Yousafzai. She's sharing it with an Indian gentleman, Kailash -- Satyarthi, pardon me, I mispronounced that. Both have been campaigning and have been working very hard for children's rights in education. He works specifically trying to get children out of slavery in India and Pakistan.

Malala, though, you know her on CNN. She is the youngest-ever winner of the Peace Prize.

BERMAN: She's the youngest ever winner of any Nobel Prize.

PEREIRA: She is that young woman who was shot in the head by Taliban militants for promoting education for young women.

BERMAN: The Nobel committee may be trying to send a peace message of its own. They picked a Pakistani and an Indian, Muslim and Hindu winners, different generations. She is expected to speak at this hour and we will bring you her comments --

PEREIRA: Very shortly.

BERMAN: Really just a few minutes live.

PEREIRA: Yes. She'll be speaking from Britain. We'll dip in and listen to her. I cannot wait to hear what she has to say.

BERMAN: Ahead for us @THIS HOUR, he wasn't hospitalized right away, didn't get any experimental drugs immediately and now the girlfriend of the first person diagnosed with Ebola says he was not treated fairly. His treatment and the other Ebola treatment methods next.

PEREIRA: We have some questions, obviously, about Ebola. We have a doctor that will join us. A lot of questions about treatment and medication. We'll put those questions to Dr. Jorge coming up.

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