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Johnson: ISIS Not Infiltrating U.S.; IMF Says China is World's Economic Leader; Should Dog in Spain Have Been Euthanized?; Indiana Family Sues Police After Controversial Traffic Stop

Aired October 9, 2014 - 06:30   ET

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MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Half past the hour, good to have you back with us here on NEW DAY. Here's a look at your headlines.

The head of Homeland Security insisting that ISIS fighters have not infiltrated the United States through the Mexican border. Jeh Johnson blasting California's Republican Congressman Duncan Hunter who is publicly claiming that at least 10 ISIS fighters have been stopped by border patrol agents and that more are getting through.

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JEH JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: We're vigilant in looking out for individuals of suspicion that may be crossing our border and we have no specific intelligence that ISIL is plotting to come into the homeland through our southern border. But we're constantly on the lookout.

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PEREIRA: Congressman Hunter's staff is now trying to tone down the congressman's comments, claiming he was told by a border patrol source that 10 people detained at the border may have a suspected affiliation with ISIS.

Adrian Peterson's trial on a alleged child abuse charge is tentatively scheduled for December 1st. A spokesman for the Minnesota Vikings running back says he's not looking for a deal and intends to go to trial. However, the proceedings could be delayed if the Texas judge has to recuse himself. Judge Kelly Case is under fire for referring to both the prosecutor and defense attorneys as, quote, "media whores".

For the first time since 1872, the U.S. is no longer the world's economic leader. This according to the International Monetary Fund. That distinction now belongs to China. The latest IMF figure show the Chinese economy is worth $17.6 trillion, compared to $17.4 for U.S. Experts say China is on top because it's cheaper to buy good there rather than here in America.

Here's a question, look at that, would you ever get this close to snap a photo of a great white shark? I see Indra nodding her head. Have a look at this photo from a New Jersey teacher, took it with her GoPro, she was apparently was in South Africa working for an animal conservation group. And when she got the opportunity, took some 30 shots. Some -- you know, of course, there's haters, right? Some people saying she put the shark in danger by luring it too close to the metal cage, because she -- that she was in it and could have hurt the shark, but I can't even just get past --

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: The teeth?

PEREIRA: Yes. The gums? Those razor-sharp jaws. I'm -- I'm terrified of this picture. That's way too close for me. My heart literally would have stopped pounding.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Because of fear for the shark, hurting its four-inch razor sharp teeth on the cage.

PEREIRA: Those little metal bars would not be enough.

CAMEROTA: I can't even believe it's a real picture.

PEREIRA: I know. It's gone viral obviously.

CAMEROTA: It's scarier than anything we ever saw in "Jaws".

PEREIRA: Yes, I know.

CUOMO: What inspires you people, also known as crazies, Indra Petersons?

PEREIRA: Is she going to represent the crazies?

CUOMO: Indra has done this. She looks forward to getting as close to death as possible. What is the intrigue to see how close the big fish can come to eating your face?

INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It's something you don't see. It's so fascinating.

CAMEROTA: You know why?

PETERSONS: What? Because I'm crazy?

CAMEROTA: No, but you know why you don't see it everybody.

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PETERSONS: It's amazing, some people are afraid of heights, that, not at all.

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PETERSONS: With that, I don't know, there's something about it, it was unbelievable. You can actually see. I posted photos of this stuff. I love it. I'm not going to lie.

All right. Let's talk about the weekend, we're getting closer, I wish we could be talking about sunshine, but unfortunately, more and more of you aren't going to be talking about the threat of more rain as we go closer towards the weekend. Desert Southwest, we have remnants of Simon kind of spreading through Colorado today. So, we do have some flooding concerns in that region.

Otherwise, it's really going to be about the stationary front as a low rides across, so by the time you get to the weekend, pretty much anyone from the Midwest all the way to the Northeast is going to be talking about light showers out there.

So, day by day, talking about around Missouri, back in through Oklahoma and through Colorado is where the heaviest spots for showers. But notice what happens by tomorrow, the bull's eye stays in the same spots, but the rain spreads farther to the East. So, the mid-Atlantic and the Northeast, by Saturday it feels like so many of you are talking about showers all the way now even to the Northeast. But notice the bull's eye is still here kind of portions of Missouri, also back in through Oklahoma City. There's the concern we have some flooding out there as well.

Temperature-wise, yes, there's a cold front making its way through, so they're diving down. You guys can come with me next time, it's good.

CAMEROTA: Wow, we're passing right now.

PETERSONS: All right.

CUOMO: Although, I do like the falling temperatures, because that means the ocean temperature will drop and that means the fishing will become more active. Regular fish, not fish that are bigger than me and can eat my face.

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CAMEROTA: Thank you for that.

Meanwhile, a 12-year-old rescue dog owned by the Spanish woman with Ebola has been euthanized by health officials. This is triggering outrage and new questions about the spread of the deadly virus, can house pets carry Ebola and make us sick? We will talk an infectious disease specialist.

CUOMO: And we have a programming note for you. The new CNN series, "ROOTS: OUR JOURNEYS" is coming this Sunday, October 12, at 9:00 p.m. Eastern. CNN anchors, including this guy, digging deep into their stories, finding surprises and learning how we got where we is today. Here's a peek.

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ANNOUNCER: CNN, all next week, they travel the world to chase the story. But not just anyone's story, their own.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's going to be a journey of surprises.

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ANNOUNCER: The story of how they came to be.

ANTHONY BOURDAIN: I had a great, great, great grandfather come to Paraguay around the 1850s.

WOLF BLITZER: My grandparents died here.

ANNOUNCER: The story of their ancestors.

CHRIS CUOMO: This is where my great grandmother was given up for adoption.

ANDERSON COOPER: My dad's report card going back to 1944.

ANNOUNCER: Their history.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA: These records go back 40 generations.

ERIN BURNETT: When we found out there's people here related to us, that's when it felt real to me.

ANNOUNCER: And now, they share those stories with you.

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MICHAELA PEREIRA: It was like coming home.

ANNOUNCER: Join the familiar faces of CNN as they trace their roots. All next week, starting Sunday, on CNN.

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PEREIRA: Welcome to NEW DAY.

There is controversy in Spain after a dog owned by the Spanish nurse battling Ebola was euthanized. Did the dog really have to be put down? And can the disease really be transferred between people and their pets?

Here to answer the question we hope, Dr. Amesh Adalja, infectious disease specialist. He's at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, and he joins me now.

Thank you so much for joining me this morning.

I think there's such interesting conversation and frustration from some parts when you look at the human toll so high according to the WHO, over 3,800 deaths so far. Why are we talking about a dog?

Yet, there is scientific purpose to this conversation. There is a public health concern. Explain that to us.

DR. AMESH ADALJA, INFECTIOUS DISEASE CONTROL: So, we know that in prior studies, dogs have shown an immune response to the virus, dogs that were in outbreak regions, they didn't have any symptoms, but they were getting exposed and infected to the virus. Something that people had to think about when had you a dog that was exposed, whether or not that posed a risk to human health. That's why the Spanish authorities took the action they did.

PEREIRA: So, the idea is we know it can carry it. We just don't know if a dog or other pets, household pets can transmit it, correct?

ADALJA: Right. This is a very -- an area where there's not a lot of data. You can see in Spain, they've already had a nurse, have human- to-human transmission, which really shouldn't have happened. So, authorities are pressed to do something and this is one of a couple of options they could have done.

It's really unclear whether they had to do it. But it's definitely in the realm of possibility that this was the right action to take. But it's just hard to say without much more data.

PEREIRA: Dr. Adalja, you talk about the fact that there's not a lot of data. So this would have been a perfect case study. Do you know why they maybe did not opt for that? Or do we know that? Do we know if there would have been necropsy done or anything else done to study this animal, to understand it better?

ADALJA: That's definitely an open question, think it would have been a very good idea to get the blood of that animal, look for the virus. In prior studies, they looked at antibodies and didn't necessarily look for viruses. It would have been important to see if the lymph nodes of the dog, other organs of the dogs were affected, because it's really one of the mysteries of Ebola, is how it interacts in the animal host. One interesting thing is that dogs don't get symptoms, but yet primates, like humans and chimpanzees and gorillas do, and there maybe some keys to understanding the virus by looking at how it behaves in the canine species.

PEREIRA: Right, because right now, what we do know is that in West Africa one of the concerns was the fruit bat, correct? And other bush meat that there's a custom of hunting and consuming that kind of meats and the villages of West Africa.

ADALJA: Right, fruit bats are thought to be the reservoir where Ebola resides and then it spills from bats, maybe into chimpanzees, gorillas, antelopes and then into humans. And that's really where all these active research questions lies, understanding why Ebola suddenly appears, explodes and then usually goes away with the exception of this outbreak.

So, this is -- you know, the key to understanding Ebola is understanding how it's going to behave in all the animals it can infect.

PEREIRA: So, do you agree with the euthanization of this dog in Spain? Where do you stand on this debate, because there's a lot of people, we've seen some 300,000 people signed a petition, we haven't seen that kind of response to -- you know, support for the Red Cross, for example, which is complaining about the lack of funds they're getting to fight Ebola.

Why the disconnect? I guess that's a two-barreled question. First of all, do you agree with the euthanization of the dog?

ADALJA: I'm not completely sure how I come on it. I do think there are other options. They could have observed the dog and quarantined the dog and studied the dog, and then determine whether or not its saliva was infectious. But there definitely is a concern. You know, dogs lick people's wounds. Dog -- you know, we know that in male humans, the virus remains active in the semen for three months. Is that the same thing for dogs?

PEREIRA: Sure.

ADALJA: Could this pass from dog to dog? There's a lot of open questions that maybe could have been answered, but I understand why the Spanish government did what they did. The other part of the question, why the disconnect? People love their dogs, we've seen this in multiple disasters that pet care is very vital. For example, during Hurricane Katrina, during any kind of evacuations from hospitals, when hospitals had to be evacuated, they bring their pets there during hurricanes, and those become major issues to deal with. That's definitely part of how we respond to outbreak, how we take care of our pets, because they are basically part of our family.

PEREIRA: They are, and we all agree here, you know, all of us are pet lovers. But at the same time, we have to take care of our humans first and foremost. Doctor (NAME), really a pleasure to have you with us, thanks so much for getting up early to talk us through this.

ADALJA: Thanks

PEREIRA: Alright, here we go. I want your opinion, what do you think? Should the dog have been put down? Should it have been studied? Facebook.com/NEWDAY. Sound off. Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: Alright, Michaela. A violent encounter with police has an Indiana family outraged. They're suing, accusing officers of using excessive force for smashing their car window and tasing a passenger. That family is speaking out to CNN.

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CUOMO (voice-over): When commanded to. The episode took 13 minutes before it got to this point. Who's giving you this video? A 14-year- old. Two kids were in the back seat, they got showered with glass.

Listen to what he told our Don Lemon.

JOSEPH IVY, LISA MAHONE'S SON: I was scared, but that's what really gave me the courage to keep videotaping it. Because I was scared. And I knew if we took this to court, we had to something to fight against them because police have more power than us.

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CUOMO (on camera): Alright. Let's bring in CNN analyst Paul Callan. Legal analyst, of course, and Mo Ivory, attorney and radio host. We want to focus on what will determine the outcome of the action taken here by the police. Paul, first question to you, local law and government standing by the officers, no investigation announced yet. Surprising?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I do find it surprising because I think, while probably in the end what they did was within the law, I think that the force was more force than had to be utilized by the police under the circumstances presented. So, it looks to me like it was a very bad judgment call by these cops about how to handle a volatile situation. Though, probably not illegal under Indiana and United States law.

CUOMO: Mo, this is what the cops say happened when and why, okay? I'll rush through it because you know the facts, I just want it for you at home, alright? The driver pulled over, asked for I.D., produced it. The officer then asked for I.D. from the passenger, driver responded the passenger didn't have any. The officer then approached the passenger, asked to speak with the passenger. Asked the passenger to provide his identification on a piece of paper.

The passenger refused to lower the window more than a little amount. Told the officer quote, he was not going to do his, the officer's job and for him to get a piece of paper. The first officer then called for back-up. After asking the passenger several more times to provide his name, even pointing out a piece of paper that was seen by the officer near the center console of the vehicle was there for him to use. Then the officer asked for video back-up of the situation. What do you make of these circumstances?

MO IVORY, ATTORNEY: Well, I definitely think that it's going to come down to whether those two stories can at all go in line with the video that the police officers will have. Now, we know that the only video that is going to be available up to that point before he, the officer, called for video back-up is a video of the young man in the car. So I really think it's going to be whether those facts are true or not.

Of course, the family does not say that that's what happened. The family says that when they asked Jamal for the paper, he told them that he did not have I.D. because it had been taken from an insurance violation, but that he did have that paperwork to show them and that he needed to retrieve it from the back pack that he was reaching for. So, there's even some question as to whether they knew that he was going to need to reach for the backpack, because they keep saying that that is the reason why they felt that they were in some danger.

CUOMO: NAACP board member John Gaskin says as a man of color, if I'm pulled over I'm leery of the officer and obey whatever commands they're giving, because at this point you're fearful of your life. Even though that is a tragic reason to obey a police officer, Mo Ivory, if you were pulled over and in the passenger seat and the cop came around and said do you have I.D., would you give it to them?

IVORY: I would give them my I.D., I mean, that has happened to me before.

CUOMO: Alright, so let me stop you there for a second, you know, because the answer is yes. Not to cut you off, but I want to get Paul, to the main proposition, which is the cop tells you to do something and you refuse. White, black, green yellow, the percentages may be different, but in all cases, how many good outcomes come out of that scenario?

CALLAN: No, you're going to get arrested if you fight the cop at the scene. You comply with the police request, you get out of the vehicle, and you live to fight another day. You'll get a lawyer, you'll sue the police if they're wrong. But I think, and I don't want people to make a mistake about this, in this case, the issue is not whether the police had a right to ask for identification. In fact, this is a free country, maybe a driver has to have a driver's license, but a passenger, maybe you don't have any I.D., okay? There's no requirement you have to carry your wallet, but the police can ask for I.D., it's not a crime if you don't have it.

But what went on here, the police asked him to exit the vehicle over a period of 13 minutes. The law is crystal clear. The U.S. Supreme Court has said, because of the danger involved, when a police officer approaches a vehicle, the police can ask all passengers to exit the vehicle. This cop could have even asked the children to exit the vehicle, that's perfectly legal. And that's where this dispute arose from, that he didn't exit the vehicle as requested by the police. So they then escalated.

IVORY: Chris, I just want to say - -

CUOMO: Go ahead, Mo, because what I want to tee-up for you is, would he have done that to me and my family? Put the Cuomo thing aside, the TV thing aside, a white guy sitting with his kids in the car. Do they ask me to get out? And the supposition is probably not, and that's the concern, right?

IVORY: Yes, of course that's the concern, and probably not. But I want to go back to what Paul said about the issue being not getting out of the car. It was very clear that when they asked him for the I.D., he did comply, he did tell them, I don't have an I.D., but I do need to reach into my bag to give you this ticket that is going to show who I am. They didn't want to take it. Even then, the driver tried to give them the piece of paper from the sunroof, and they still didn't want to take it.

That was the police beginning to escalate a situation that did not have to get to that point. They only asked him to get out of the car after they had their guns drawn, after they already created a tense --- Even in the interview yesterday, the driver herself said that even in the manner of which they pulled them over, it was hostile. So it was hostile from the very, very beginning which would give any black man living in America today, with a gun drawn by a white police officer, to fear getting out of the car.

CALLAN: You know, Mo, I agree with you, 100 percent on everything that you just said. And that's why I say there should be an investigation, at least internally, about whether they exercised proper judgment in this situation. But, everything that Mo talked about, in the end, the police still had the right to say, I want you to exit the vehicle. Because look at it from the cop's standpoint, the cop, now maybe he's mistaken, and we know he was in retrospect. There was no gun, or bomb, or drugs in the car. But he's looking at the passenger saying, he doesn't have I.D., he hands me a ticket indicating that he's been crossed by the police before, then he asks for a white shirt.

What is that? Do you know what a white shirt is?

CUOMO: No.

CALLAN: A white shirt is - --

IVORY: A supervisor.

CALLAN: - - a police supervisor. So, the cop's thinking my, this guy is a sophisticated consumer of police services. You know what the cop is it thinking? There's probably a warrant out for the guy. So, now he says all right, exit the vehicle.

CUOMO: Well, also, you're forgetting something.

IVORY: The law allows him to do that, even though he's wrong, he can ask him to get out of the car.

CUOMO: You're forgetting something.

IVORY: Right.

CUOMO: You're forgetting something. I want to end on this, because we have to move on now. We'll continue this conversation. Unfortunately, we get too many opportunities to do so right now in the country. But, this wasn't just a straight dialogue with mutual respect. They were talking in the car about how cops are shooting people all over the place.

IVORY: Right.

CUOMO: And the passenger was jawing at the cop, and when you look at the cop's face, they don't look apprehensive to me. They look pissed off, like I'm tired of hearing these people yell at me.

IVORY: That's right.

CUOMO: It's been 13 minutes. But that goes to the fault of the people in the car, also. You have fault on both sides, that's why I'm surprised there's no investigation here yet. There is a civil suit. We'll see what it yields. Mo Ivory, always appreciate the perspective. Paul Callan, Professor, thank you for being with us once again.

Now, this is one story that we're following, but there's a lot of news this morning for. So, let's get to it.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The White House announcing enhanced screening at

specific U.S. airports.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a foolproof way to prevent Ebola from coming into the country.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Family and friends mourning the loss of Thomas Eric Duncan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to learn from what occurred to make sure it doesn't happen again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's been more than a month now since Kim Jong-Un has been seen in public.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some believe Kim Jong-Un's younger sister could be running North Korea.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Outrage in St. Louis after a police officer guns down a man.

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CAMEROTA: And good morning, everyone. Welcome back to NEW DAY. I'm Alisyn Camerota alongside Chris Cuomo. Great to be with you this morning. So, this morning, a Dallas sheriff's deputy is hospitalized and being screened for Ebola.

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CAMEROTA (voice-over): The testing is a precaution after the deputy says, well, we know he was in the apartment where Thomas Eric Duncan was staying. Duncan of course was the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States. He just became the first fatality here. His grieving family is outraged over his treatment. They say if he had gotten experimental medication earlier, he might still be alive this morning.

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CUOMO: And now we see what the reaction is to the concerns in this country. Five major airports are preparing to implement new screening for passengers from West Africa. We have complete coverage, beginning with CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen live in Dallas. Elizabeth, the word that Mr. Duncan had lost his battle with Ebola was felt in Dallas, by his family, and all across this country.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Chris, that's very true and with his death comes questions. Why did Texas Health Presbyterian wait five days before asking the FDA for permission to use an experimental medication? Other patients in the United States, they all got their experimental medications immediately. Also, questions about why he didn't get a blood donation from an Ebola survivor. It's thought that such a donation can actually help Ebola patients recover more quickly from their disease.