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Jesse Matthew in Court; Airstrikes Hit Oil Refineries in Syria; "This is Life with Lisa Ling" Preview

Aired September 25, 2014 - 08:30   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you request one, the only thing that attorney can do for you is challenge the validity of the warrant and fight your extradition back to Virginia. Do we have all the signatures, deputy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, we're done.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: And there it is. That was Jesse Matthew right there. There was the discussion with the judge about whether he would request a court appointed attorney to fight extradition to Virginia. Now actually we could not hear what he said, if he wanted a court- appointed attorney to fight that extradition.

I'm joined now on the phone by Jean Casarez, who is in Virginia, been covering the abduction and disappearance of Hannah Graham and now this arrest of Jesse Matthew in Texas, in this first court appearance where the issue they were discussing, Jean, was extradition back to where you are in Virginia.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right, exactly. And that's going to be the big issue because he can either fight it, which he will not win, or he can waive it and he'll probably be back here in Virginia sometime very shortly today.

I do want to say that he was arrested yesterday at 3:30 in the afternoon on the beach as he was camping in a tent. And the charges that he faces there in Texas, failure to identify as a fugitive and intent to give false information. So that is how they actually arrested him. But there's a federal hold on him, and then there is a fugitive from justice warrant out of Virginia. No bail on both of those. So, obviously, a situation where he just has to make the decision, is he going to fight to come back to Virginia or is he going to be on possibly the next plane.

BERMAN: All right, and, Jean, just give us an update on the case itself. Of course, there's been a question about finding, locating this man, Jesse Matthew. Now they have. We just saw him in a courtroom in Texas. But what's the latest on the search for Hannah Graham?

CASAREZ: Well, the search for Hannah Graham continues and now they have the person that they believe has the answers. You know, I called the jail yesterday and -- because he was arrested at 3:30 in the afternoon on the beach, and he was not brought into the station until 8:00 at night. I was told that they were at the site questioning him. They were questioning him about Hannah Graham because they want to know where she is. And this is an emergency situation, so they are allowed to ask those questions under law because they have to find her. She could be in jeopardy. And it's been 12 days today since she was last seen. Now, we don't know if they got any answers, but we do know they asked him a lot of questions.

John.

BERMAN: We do know he is in custody in Texas. We just saw him in the courtroom. Our first chance to really hear from Jesse Matthew himself.

Jean Casarez, thank you so much. We're going to follow this, of course, as it develops throughout the day.

And in moments, we're going to have more on the air strikes in Syria. Fareed Zakaria joins us right after the break.

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: So we know that the war against ISIS is intensifying. This morning, there's a new round of U.S.-led air strikes that we're talking about, launched in Syria. The target was the wallet. They went after about a dozen oil refineries to try and cut off this money that ISIS makes through the black market. So, what is this war about at this point and where does it have to go to be truly successful? That's the most important question. It's not getting asked enough. Luckily we have someone who can speak directly to it. We have the host of CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS", Fareed Zakaria.

Now, the reason I'm saying that, Fareed, is, we don't know how successful these bombings will be and we're not really going to know because there's -- the coalition isn't on the ground in a meaningful way. But even if they achieve every objective they want to, it's far from over. Explain to us the complexity of this situation in terms of how you make real change.

ZAKARIA: Well, you're exactly right. Think about the initial air campaign against the Taliban in Afghanistan, brilliantly successful in Iraq, brilliantly successful in Libya. And then what you have is the ground operation and most importantly the political operation as it were, who is going to govern these areas? Who is going to take charge? And the problem we face in Iraq, we have an answer, and we have a strategy. The Iraqi army tries to move in, the Kurds move in, you're trying to create a more inclusive Iraqi government. Not there yet, but at least that is the strategy.

In Syria, it is a mess because once you start striking at ISIS, who is going to replace ISIS? Well, the Assad government, the Syrian government, wants to be that person. We want the Free Syrian Army, the rebels, the moderate rebels as we call them, to take over. And, guess what? There's a -- this is a 12 cornered contest. It's going to be very messy. So imagine the two-step race here. We have a one-step campaign to defeat ISIS. Then we need to, you know, in our minds, help the Syrian -- Free Syrian army defeat the Assad government.

Meanwhile, just to complicate things further, the Iranian government, which has been backing the Syrian regime, is going to fight those free Syrian rebels. I had the opportunity to interview President Rouhani of Iran at -- yesterday, and he said flatly, the Free Syrian Army are terrorists. From Iran's point of view, they really don't make that much distinction between ISIS and the Free Syrian Army. They're going to fight both.

CUOMO: And people will hear this and say, I don't care what Iran does. We don't - they don't -- the U.S. doesn't like them, right? Except, think of just the simple logic there. If Iran is going to fight against and help in 100 different ways to fight against the people the U.S. and coalition want to train in Syria, they, at the same time, could be the Iraqis' best friend in terms of maintaining the Shia stability that's in that region. So they become someone who's a problem on two fronts if they're not dealt with and how do you deal with them when you don't have great diplomatic relations?

ZAKARIA: The - I think you've hit the nail on the head, which is the solution, our political solutions in Iraq, in Syria, and I would add in Afghanistan, all rest in a very strange way on Iran because who has a really great relationship with the Iraqi government to make them more inclusive? Iran. Who has a great relationship with the Syrian government and the generals so that you can talk about some kind of post-Assad future, maybe a power sharing deal? The Iranian government. We don't talk to the Syrians.

In Afghanistan, where you have this new deal between the two contenders and a national unity government, who has influence with the people we don't have influence with? The Iranians. And yet we haven't been able to - I asked Rouhani about this. I said, couldn't you be helpful on all these fronts? And he said, first, we have to deal with the nuclear issue.

CUOMO: I know. See (ph).

ZAKARIA: We get past the nuclear issue, we can be very helpful on all those things. He said, there's a Persian saying, let's first raise the baby that we just gave birth to before we start talking about the second baby.

CUOMO: Now, listen, here's the thing. People at home will say, this is confusing. I'm just starting to get my day going. But it's not the way to see it, because if you care about the bombing, you have to care about what the goal of the bombing is. The U.S. just took a huge risk here in getting involved in this. And the fact is this, we're calling it ISIS, but it could be called anything.

ZAKARIA: Yes.

CUOMO: Because it's just an idea. It's extremism. It's about the soul of Islam. Not the faith of Islam. Everybody by now hopefully knows that Islam itself, being a Muslim is not about being violent. However, who will fight that fight? This coalition that the president is trying to build. He gave an very eloquent speech yesterday and very powerful. Many of them double deal, don't they, Fareed? Many of these countries have funding mechanisms in their own countries of extremism. Isn't that more important than anything you achieve on the battlefield? ZAKARIA: Ultimately, the most important thing is exactly that. And

President Obama, to his credit, actually pointed out the very fact you're saying. He had a line in the speech, and I'm paraphrasing, he said there are people and there are governments that profit from globalization, meaning sell oil to us, and then use those funds to support extremism and jihad. Who is he talking about? He's talking about Saudi Arabia. He's talking about the United Arab Emirates.

CUOMO: So who fights that fight?

ZAKARIA: Well, I thought the president's most distinctive element to his speech was the fact that he said only Muslims can do it, only Muslim leaders can do it. It's not just political leader, it's cultural leaders. And he said something very important. He said, they're not doing enough. They're not doing it frontally enough. This is a cancer in your midst. Because, ultimately, you know, 1.57 billion Muslims in the world are not going to care what the president of the United States thinks.

CUOMO: True.

ZAKARIA: What they're going to care about is what their local leaders think. And what he -- what President Obama is saying, is you guys, in the world of Islam, you have not done enough to exorcize this cancer within your midst.

CUOMO: But when you say local leaders, you mean very local and often religious because -- take the U.S. You know, we think that we have trouble with our leadership here.

ZAKARIA: Right.

CUOMO: You have populations all through that region where very often they live in complete contempt of who's ruling them because it's certainly not a democracy. So why would that leadership do anything to placate the people? It's not what they've ever done.

ZAKARIA: Well, and that - but you've just described the faustian (ph) bargain that so many of these regimes have made. What they do is they repress their people and they give enormous amount of authority to the most whacky, extreme religious groups and say, as long as you don't attack us, as long as you allow us to stay in power, you can preach whatever you want.

CUOMO: Go subjugate the people but leave us alone.

ZAKARIA: Right. Right. And so that's a kind of -- and even the ones who don't make that deal, they won't criticize the extreme - the extreme kind of clerics and preachers because they don't want those guys to turn their wrath on the regimes and say, you guys are apostates, you are not - you're not democratic. You're -- they know that they have a legitimacy problem. So, you know, again, you're right, this is complicated stuff. But the best way to think about it, I think, is, it's the politics, stupid, that, you know, we're good at the military side of this stuff. We're amazing at it, both in the technology and human beings. They're the best. But the trouble is that on the ground, what's going to matter is the politics. Do we get the politics right in Iraq? Do we get them to take ownership? Do we get the politics right in Syria in this 12-cornered contest? That's where we need a surge.

CUOMO: Boy, a surge. How is that possible? We don't know. We'll have to see what the coalition brings. But, again, coalition made of members that have their own problems, it's hard to see them as a solution but we have to have hope, right?

Fareed Zakaria, thank you for making it easily understood. And you have to understand it, because if you're going to care about this situation, it's not just about counting bombs. You're going to have to figure out what leads to change as this goes along. And this is just the beginning.

Now, Fareed was just referring to a very important interview he did with the Iranian president, you know him, Hassan Rouhani. But you're going to get to see it on "Fareed Zakaria GPS." That's at 10:00 a.m. Eastern and 1:00 p.m. Eastern only on CNN. As I like to say, Fareed is so nice, they play him twice. Thank you for being with us.

On a very different note, younger women seeking older, wealthy men. What is this about? It's a phenomenon. We're seeing it more and more on matchmaking websites. Is it about companionship or something else? Lisa Ling is here. No, she's not into that. She's got a preview of her new CNN series "This is Life." Great to have her.

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Alright, welcome back. As you are waking up, getting out and about, some airport delays to talk about.

Indra Petersons, how is it looking?

INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Let's hope no one is traveling right. Yet, we know so many people are.

In Philadelphia we're talking about this big storm rolling up the coast right now. How about 107 minutes, just look at that, is almost a two-hour delay out there right now. New York City also seeing about a half an hour delay.

Why? Well it may be this guy. Yes, that low that's making its way up the coastline, currently bringing showers into the northeast today, and this guy is going to hang around at least for the next several days here. Just keep in mind, it's not just the rain we're really concerned with, it's the wind. So as the low is making its way up, the high is coming down.

Keep in mind, the winds in between. That's the reason we're talking about some of these heavy delays out through Philly right now. Tomorrow we're still talking about showers in the morning hours, but it is pulling off the coastline so it only gets better and better as we go towards the weekend. That's the one plus I can give you.

But it doesn't help you right now if you're at the airport, right? 30, 40-mile-per-hour winds already out towards Jersey right now. New York City, any where from 15 to even 20-mile-per-hour is out there. Now, the backside of this is also the cold air.

We're talking about a ten-degree temperature drop from yesterday, not that big of a deal. Just keep in mind it will warm up. In fact, temperatures will go up about ten degrees above normal, more importantly, as you head to the weekend. John?

BERMAN: Alright, thanks so much, Indra.

So the new CNN show "THIS IS LIFE WITH LISA LING" premieres this Sunday. The first episode, and I watched it, it is good, takes an inside look at the lives of sugar babies and sugar daddies. It delves into the surprisingly complex relationships and motivations. Although, I think there's really only one motivation, but we'll talk about that, between men and women who meet on websites. Look at this.

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LISA LING, HOST "THIS IS LIFE WITH LISA LING": Is there a typical profile on seeking arrangement?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The average sugar baby is 27, typically has a college degree or is going to college. The average guy is 40 years old. He makes $250,000 or more every single year.

LING: What percentage of sugar daddies are married?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roughly 40 percent are married.

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BERMAN: We are joined by our new colleague, Lisa Ling. What an intro that is.

First of all, welcome. Great to have you.

LING: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Welcome.

BERMAN: So, I watched this last night and I was introduced to a term that I did not know before, sugaring.

LING: Yes.

BERMAN: Explain.

LING: Well, there's nothing new about older men seeking out younger women, but what is new is in recent years a crop of websites have sprung up to facilitate these mostly transactional relationships. And, you know, as a feminist, it was very difficult for me to talk to a lot of these young women who were, in fact, seeking out these men to, among other things, help pay for their college tuition.

But what they said to me, and this was just a perspective that I hadn't heard directly before, was that look, we are the first generation in American history that has been consistently told that we are not going to make as much money as our parents. And we're constantly being reminded of this dismal job, just dismal job opportunities and so this is a way for us to sort of circumvent having to work three jobs so that we can focus more on our studies.

BERMAN: One of the most entertaining and fascinating parts of this is watching you navigate through this show with the elephant in the room, which is sex, right?

LING: Yes.

BERMAN: I mean, we talked about the motivations here, but the question that everyone has watching, and you ask repeatedly is, isn't this just about sex? If not buying sex, at least renting it.

LING: Right, and there's no doubt a lot of the men who troll these websites are interested in sex, but what the women say is that the difference between other dating sites and a dating site like this is the relationships are negotiable.

So before you even meet the "sugar daddy" you can tell them, look, I'm not interested in sex. I will be your companion. I will do these things with you but I'm not -

BALDWIN: They'll respect that?

LING: I mean, that has yet to be determined.

BALDWIN: Okay.

LING: Some women might say, look, if our relationship evolves, like with any relationship, sex could become part of the equation.

CUOMO: Is the guy you interview there a product of this arrangement?

LING: The man I interviewed is the owner of one of the websites.

CUOMO: Right, but didn't he also --

LING: Yes, yes, he is married to a much younger, beautiful woman.

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LING: But interestingly enough, he started the website because his mother told him- - he was a fairly, he says, a fairly unattractive man and his mother said --

CUOMO: Make a lot of money?

LING: You have to make a lot of money in order to get an attractive wife. And so he started this website which is just exploding.

BALDWIN: So, I can't believe I'm going to say this, but as a woman ,and as a strong woman, I hope myself, you know- - I think part of me is sitting in front of these women, I'd want to shake them a little bit and say what are you thinking? But at the same time it's like some of them, they're owning up to it. Hey, I need this money to go get a college degree. I realize 100 percent what I'm doing. This is a transaction and boom.

LING: You know, and these women are- -

BALDWIN: Of a different generation.

LING: tragically.

CUOMO: You don't think this has happened every generation, on some level?

LING: It certainly has, but I think college students are embracing it more than ever. These websites are advertising to college students and all of the women I spoke to, surprisingly, they're very ambitious.

They have intentions of becoming CEOs themselves.

BALDWIN: Wow.

LING: But right now, they have decided that this is a way for them to not have to work so hard in order to be able to focus on their studies and what's important to them.

CUOMO: Now, Berman knows a lot about this topic, and I don't. So I was asking him about it, and it does get you into what do you judge and what don't you judge in people's choices? And knowing you the way I do --

LING: So you're saying Berman is highly judgmental?

CUOMO: I am not about his past and who he is. That's his life. I'm just saying --

BALDWIN: Stop it.

CUOMO: Do you deal with that as you go through, right? Because people - - you're big into self-determination for people.

LING: Yes.

CUOMO: So how do you balance it? This is her, this is her life.

LING: Sure. This is why I love doing this series so much, because every topic that I will cover throughout the course of this series you will probably have an opinion about upon hearing it. But as soon as you get immersed in - - among these people and start engaging in conversation, and get to know their back stories and what their lives have been like, you start to think a little bit differently. And, in many cases, you start to employ more compassion. It's inevitable.

BERMAN: That's what makes it great. Even if it creeps you out, because it creeps you out, you can't turn away because you end up learning more about it.

Lisa Ling, looking forward to the entire series in the run of the show.

LING: Thank you.

BERMAN: Make sure to tune in this Sunday, 10:00 p.m. to catch the premiere episode of Lisa Ling's "THIS IS LIFE" only on CNN.

Alright, a church stops asking for money from the faithful and starts giving it back, and it's all for a great cause. That is the Good Stuff and it's right around the corner.

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BERMAN: Sing it.

CUOMO: It's not really about the money, though. Its time for the Good Stuff.

Have you ever heard of a church giving back money instead of asking for it? Think about it.

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CUOMO (voice-over): A church in Chicago recently made $1.6 million on a real estate deal, and the pastor decided to give away 10 percent of that money to the church members themselves.

LAURA TRUAX, PASTOR AT LASALLE STREET CHURCH: 10 percent of this money is being given to all of you, and all of you are being asked to tithe in the way that the spirit is leading you.

I've never heard of it, right? But I'll tell you, it's felt right.

CUOMO: Tithe usually means giving it back to the church. But in this instance, the pastor was saying you do it any way you want. It's about 500 bucks to each of them, and it turns out the spirit is moving almost all of them to pay it forward.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Invested in microlending, specifically for women in third world countries.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We took some of that money and put it into some programs to help other people.

CUOMO: By the way, the church plans to give its share, the 90%, to charity.

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BALDWIN: Nice.

CUOMO (on camera): That's why its the Good Stuff. Thank you for that.

A lot of news this morning.