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KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. And welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet.

Now world leaders come together to find a way to battle the militant group ISIS.

A powerful hurricane pounds a popular resort in Mexico.

And Japan's prime minister tries to break the country's male dominated corporate culture and get more women into the workplace.

Standing together to defeat ISIS, that is the message from world leaders at an emergency conference in France. Now it comes just days after

the terror group killed its latest western hostage, the British aid worker David Haines.

Now ISIS is threatening the life of another British citizen, but it is important to remember that the group has also murdered thousands of Iraqi

and Syrian civilians.

Iraq's president is calling for continuation of airstrikes against ISIS.

From Baghdad, Jomana Karadsheh has more on the challenges ahead.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The United States now has a strategy (inaudible) it describes as a threat unlike the world

has ever seen. But an expert on ISIS believes President Obama revealed more than he should have about the U.S.'s plans to the leader of ISIS Abu

Bakr al-Baghdadi.

HISHAM AL-HASHIMI, SECURITY ANALYST (through translator): The mistake was announcing too much of the strategy. And this was a free gift to al-

Baghdadi to prepare and counter what has been revealed.

KARADHSHEH: Hisham al-Hashimi, who has studied jihadist groups and their evolution in Iraq over the past decade says the highly adaptable

organization has already taken defensive measures.

HASHIMI (through translator): They moved a lot of weapons and ammunition into depots in valleys and the desert between Iraq and Syria.

Al-Baghdadi moved elite Arab and foreign fighters amongst civilian populations, knowing well that the U.S. or the coalition air force cannot

target civilians.

KARADSHEH: While al-Hashimi says a coalition is needed to fight ISIS, he says this alliance could drive more terror groups, including al Qaeda

affiliates to join forces with ISIS in what these groups see as a crusader war against Muslims.

But having Egypt and Saudi Arabia on board, he says, is essential to countering ISIS's narrative.

HASHIMI (through translator: Help is needed from Saudi and Egyptian religious scholars in fighting ideology with ideology. This is key to

extracting ISIS from roots.

KARADSHEH: Excluding Iran, arguably the most influential player in Iraq form the coalition, is dangerous, al-Hashimi says.

HASHIMI (through translator): Iran controls the Shia militias in Iraq and these militias could sabotage military operations when it comes to

logistics support, or can threaten the safety of American advisers.

KARADSHEH: While al-Hashimi says the United States should have one strategy for fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria, the tactics would be

different.

HASHIMI (through translator): Americans don't have to apply the Afghanistan and Iraq strategy in Syria, and the Waziristan, Somalia and

Yemen strategy in Iraq.

KARADSHEH: Tactics in Iraq would include special forces operations, a strong Sunni Arab force to turn on ISIS and airstrikes. But Syria is far

more complex. Airstrikes alone, he says, would likely benefit the Assad regime. Arming and training Syrian rebels will not do the job. He

believes Syria will require ground forces.

With plans announced and international action seemingly slow, al- Hashimi says ISIS is now preparing for the next phase and maybe relying on sleeper cells.

HASHIMI (through translator): al-Baghdadi is now planning qualitative operations that will target countries within the coalition on their home

soil.

KARADSHEH: Hashimi says rallying the world against ISIS could defeat the group, but the battle will be a long and bloody one.

Jomana Karadsheh, CNN, Baghdad.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LU STOUT: Now few details have emerged about the plan to fight ISIS. And CNN's Fred Pleitgen joins us now live from Paris where the conference

finished just a short time ago.

And Fred, what kind of global response has taken shape there at the summit?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's a global response with many facets. And what you have here, Kristie, is you

have several countries, 30 in total, that each said they were going to participate in this coalition, this forming coalition in the ways that they

can.

Now some of them are going to provide humanitarian aid, some of them are going to try and help Iraq along politically, others are going to be

part of a broader military coalition.

Now the U.S. has said that there are some countries, some Arab countries, who have pledged support for airstrikes and said they'd be

willing to participate in airstrikes.

There are no details as to which country's that may be. However, it is something, of course, as Jomana just noted in her report there, that

would be very, very important to this coalition to see, especially for those people on the ground there, that it's not just America that's doing

the heavy lifting, but that it is, in fact, regional countries that are alongside the United States in that as well.

Now it was interesting to see Fuad Masum, he's the president of Iraq, at that conference, because one of the things he pointed out is that this

is not a battle for Iraq and Syria alone, but that ISIS is a global threat and needs to be confronted on a global scale.

And he said one of the things that's of particular interest, and of particular concern is the fact that many people in western countries are

also getting indoctrinated by ISIS. Let's listen in to what Fuad Masum had to say at a press conference earlier.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FUAD MASUM, PRESIDENT OF IRAQ (through translator): One goes beyond the traditional strategic thinking which we were accustomed to with al

Qaeda. These criminals are experts in the brainwashing of young people in those regions they control. They prepare them for terrorist actions. They

use modern technology in order to spread propaganda and terror through the internet and social networks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PLEITGEN: So what he's talking about, of course, is ISIS's social media campaign. And of course we know that here in Europe there are many

Muslims who are really very much in fear of that, many people who say they don't recognize their children anymore because they've been indoctrinated

by ISIS. It is something that's a growing concern.

It's also something that for, instance, the French President Francois Hollande pointed out today as well, is that the Europeans and the Americans

have realized that there are fighters coming from -- going from here to Syria and Iraq and they're very fearful of when those fighters might

return.

So, what we're seeing at this conference is we're seeing an alignment of the key things that all of these now partners are willing to do, are

able to do, and it's certainly something that's brought order into this campaign to try and get a concerted response to the ISIS threat going --

Kristie.

LU STOUT: ISIS has been recognized as a global threat, a global concerted response is needed here, and yet as you pointed out, no Arab

state has yet to at least in public pledge direct military support to fight ISIS. Why is that?

PLEITGEN: Well, they're walking a fine line, and certainly a lot of them are very much afraid of the influence that ISIS might have within

their own borders. You take, for instance, Turkey. Turkey is in a very delicate position, because at this point in time ISIS has 49 hostages that

it took from the Turkish consulate in Mosul. And so certainly Turkey is under a lot of pressure to walk that very fine line.

They also have a very long border, both with Iraq and with Syria. And we know that there's cross-border activity by ISIS going on there as well.

Saudi Arabia has a border with Iraq as well. And so certainly all of those countries really are walking a very delicate line.

Now, some of them have come out and they have pledged some support. The Saudis, for instance, are saying that they're going to let the U.S.

train what they say are moderate Syrian rebels on their soil. And the U.S. has said that there have been Arab countries that have come forward and

said that they would be willing to participate in airstrikes. They haven't said which countries that could be, and certainly we'll wait and see

whether or not that actually happens, but it does appear that some sort of support is there.

But certainly a lot of these countries are very much aware that they're walking a very fine line. They know that there are citizens within

their borders that support ISIS, or at least think very positively of ISIS, so they really have to be careful in the way that they go about all of

this.

But nevertheless, the U.S. says, and Europe says, that it would be absolutely key to get these Arab nations on board, especially the ones that

have a Sunni majority, because when you're looking at that area ins Syria and in Iraq, it is of course the Syrian -- the Sunni heartland of those two

countries. And it would be very important for the people there on the ground to see that it's not just the U.S. and the west that are conducting

these military actions, but that there are, in fact, countries with a Sunni majority that are involved as -- in that as well. And they are taking an

active role to combat ISIS on the ground there, Kristie.

LU STOUT: All right, Frederik Pleitgen, joining us live from Paris on the call to action to fight ISIS form the conference there just wrapped up.

Thank you very much indeed, Fred.

Now the killing of David Haines is of particular concern to Downing Street, because ISIS has threatened to kill another British aid worker.

Now CNN's Atika Shubert is monitoring the UK's response to the crisis. She joins us now live from London. And Atika, the prime minister of the

UK, David Cameron, he is under even more pressure to act. Is Britain edging closer to military action against ISIS?

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Possibly. And immediately after the emergency cabinet meeting that Prime Minister Cameron

had yesterday, he did mention some of the actions Britain is taking militarily that they were helping to arm, for example, Kurdish Peshmerga,

forces in the north of Iraq, but also, he said, that British planes had been helping with the surveillance efforts trying to keep tabs on ISIS from

the skies.

He also said, however, that it's not about boots on the ground. And he didn't make any mention, for example, of airstrikes in Syria. That is

perhaps the most contentious issue. And remember, last year British lawmakers voted against airstrikes in Syria. So that is something the

prime minister would have to contend with if they want to take stronger military action. But the prime minister's office insists nothing is off

the table yet, Kristie.

LU STOUT: And Atika, that gruesome beheading video, you've talked to a security expert about it, what does it reveal about the killing of David

Haines?

SHUBERT: Yeah, I asked him specifically about this very -- the fact that the -- the format of the video is exactly the same for all three

videos. And he had some interesting insights. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SHUBERT: It is now a recurring nightmare -- the same orange robes, the hostage on his knees, and his masked killer stands beside him. And

always the same, a man with a British accent, a knife in his left that he uses later to behead his victim.

We asked Peter Neumann who tracks radicals such as these online why ISIS has choreographed these brutal execution videos in this way.

PETER NEUMANN, INTL CENTER FOR STUDY OF RADICALISATION: I think they want to establish some kind of routine whereby people are almost having an

expectation that this will continue and there will be another execution perhaps in two week's time, because the previous ones have also been every

fortnight.

SHUBERT: Creating a terrible sense of dread. ISIS has already threatened to kill a fourth hostage, another British citizen. The group is

believed to be holding a number of other foreign aid workers and journalists.

NEUMANN: That ISIS looks at this as a low cost strategy. They're seeing that in order to capture the world's attention and recruit people

they no longer need to bring down towers in New York and hit the Pentagon, they can take one of their hostages to the desert, behead him with no risk

to themselves and still have the same effect.

SHUBERT: A recurring nightmare that shows no signs of ending.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SHUBERT: The biggest fear, of course, for many here in Britain is that there will be another video released in another two weeks. Of course,

there is that other British hostage still being held, Alan Henning, another aid worker. And this is why there is so much pressure on the government to

do something. If there is a window of opportunity, if there is some way they could possibly rescue him, this is what many people are waiting to

see.

LU STOUT; CNN's Atika Shubert reporting live from 10 Downing Street, thank you, Atika.

Now, the storm season is bringing some very dangerous weather. Now Hurricane Odile is lashing Mexico. And China is bracing for a typhoon.

Mari Ramos is tracking these storms from the world weather center.

Also ahead, more troops are marching on Ukrainian soil. Hear why American soldiers are now on the ground there.

And with just three days to go until Scotland decides its future, we'll look at the impact of the rural vote on the independence referendum.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LU STOUT: You see the storm clouds above Hong Kong, coming to you live from the territory you're back watching News Stream.

Now Japan's first lady is addressing a crisis facing her country. Millions of educated Japanese women are not working, held back by a

corporate culture that critics say heavily favors men. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe knows that if this continues, the stagnant economy will dip even

lower.

Now he and his wife, Akie Abe are pushing what they call womenonmics. Now the goal is to have 30 percent of leadership roles occupied by women by

the year 2020 when the Olympics come to Tokyo.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is the prime minister's goal attainable?

AKIE ABE, FIRST LADY OF JAPAN (through translator): I don't now if the target of 30 percent can be achieved completely. You never know until

you try. But I think it's very meaningful to set a target.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Now promoting women into leading positions is only half the battle, the other half is keeping them in the workforce. As Will Ripley

reports, some women say that they are forced to sacrifice their career if they want to have children.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Behind Tokyo's futuristic facade, a workplace culture, critics say, is stuck in the past where success means

brutally long days in the office and networking into the wee hours, a system built for salary men with little flexibility for working moms.

Sayaka Osakabe (ph) was pregnant putting in 15 hour days.

"I was working until almost midnight," she says. "I felt a growing pain in my belly, then I had a miscarriage."

During her second pregnancy, Osakabe (ph) says her request for reduced hours was denied.

"I wanted to keep my job," she says. "I kept pushing myself. One week later, I had another miscarriage."

Feeling forced to choose between family and career, she quit. Thousands are joining her online petition asking lawmakers to protect

working mothers.

Japan needs more women to have children. The fertility rate is low, the population is getting older and shrinking, but this stagnant economy

also needs more workers.

A double crisis facing lawmakers, like the corporate world, Japan's political work is dominated by men. The few women elected into office can

still face sexism.

This summer, Tokyo city lawmakers shouted chauvinist insults about marriage and children as Ayaka Shiometa (ph) gave a speech about parenting.

Only one later bowed to public pressure and apologized.

"It finally showed that sexual harassment is unacceptable," she says.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is calling for his country to embrace womenomics to bring more women into the workforce. He's more than doubled

his female cabinet ministers. And he's pushing for more women in leadership roles.

So many educated Japanese women are in part-time jobs, temporary jobs. How is that affecting your country?

"It's hurting Japan's economic growth," she says. "This is part of why our economy is stagnant."

Japanese mothers are leaving their careers and staying away at a far higher rate than women in other rich countries.

"I want to have a baby," Osakabe (ph) says, "but I also want to work."

A balance that continues to elude millions of women, even in modern Japan.

Will Ripley, CNN, Tokyo.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LU STOUT: Now China has issued the orange alert, the second highest level as it braces for the arrival of Typhoon Kamaegi. Now the storm is

just barreling through the South China Sea after it passed over the Philippines. It is expected to land between Guangdong and Hainan provinces

in Southwest China on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, thousands of kilometers away a major category three storm is hitting Mexico's northwest peninsula of Baja California.

Now Hurricane Odile made landfall in the tourist resort of Cabo San Lucas late on Sunday. It's now traveling north up the coast.

Now let's get more on the storm there in Mexico. Samantha Moore joins us from the world weather center with that -- Samantha.

SAMANTHA MOORE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Oh, Kristie, and it was almost a category four. It fell just shy of that designation, a powerful system

with incredible amounts of moisture associated with it.

And it is working its way up the Baja peninsula.

It is tied for the strongest hurricane ever to make landfall in this part of the world, on the southern tip of the Baja. Currently, those max

sustained winds at 175 with gusts to 220. And here's how it looked as it came in and blew onshore bringing with it those big waves and those heavy

downpours. And here are the statistics, it had 205 kilometer per hour max sustained winds as it moved in, almost a Cat four. And that did tie the

strongest -- to make it the strongest hurricane to ever make landfall right there on the southern tip of the Baja.

And here are the waves as things picked up and the storm moved in, the clouds lowered. And of course it moved in after sunset, that makes it even

more terrifying, when you can't see how conditions are deteriorating.

This compares it with the system it tied with, Olivia, back in 1967. That was the first major hurricane ever to make landfall on the eastern

side of the Baja peninsula. Only two major hurricanes have ever done that, come through the Baja California and then moved on the inland on the east

side.

Odile came up a more typical way from the south, but boy did it strengthen here with those winds gusting up to 250 kilometers per hour.

So you can see it's going to continue right up the Baja Peninsula. It will weaken as it interacts with the land. Of course land tends to

disorganize the circulation of tropical systems.

Still have those warnings in place, though, along the southern half of the Baja Peninsula. And we'll likely see those winds really whipping as we

head into the next 24 to 48 hours. And then we should start to see them weaken significantly.

But even when they weaken, we're going to be very concerned about the rainfall that we're going to continue to see here. Some of these spots

could end up seeing some 18 inches of rain, which would equal about 450 millimeters here along the Baja peninsula. And in some of this moisture

could get sucked up into the southwestern monsoon and the southwestern U.S. Arizona monsoon. And that could mean heavy rain and more flooding woes

here, because in the desert they had incredible flooding last week. In fact, the most rainfall they've ever seen in a day in Phoenix.

OK, we have to get you over to our latest typhoon, which is approaching China. Made it through the Philippines with incredible amounts

of rain in Supek Bay (ph) 378 millimeters of rain here. We had a ferry that was capsized, Kristie, that was a sad sight indeed, two people lost

their lives, but many were rescued as that bit rainmaker moved in. And now it is headed for China, most likely. It'll be near Haian (ph) Island as we

head into tomorrow with those winds.

The winds aren't going to be as impressive as that rainfall, but the rain is going to be very heavy as this typhoon makes its way across the

South China Sea.

We'll keep you updated, Kristie.

LU STOUT: All right. And we're already feeling the effects right over here in Hong Kong. Samantha Moore there. Thank you.

Now you're watching CNN News Stream. Still to come just three days away from a vote on Scottish independence. And we will look at the divide

that is developing among rural residents.

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LU STOUT: Welcome back.

You're watching News Stream. Time now for a tennis update. And let's go live to World Sport's Alex Thomas at CNN London. He's got more -- Alex.

ALEX THOMAS, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, hi, Kristie. Roger Federer has won almost every prize going in the sport of tennis, but the

Davis Cup is a glaring omission. Now he has a chance to put that trophy on his mantelpiece, because Switzerland are into the final.

They lost to Italy in the doubles on Saturday, but it meant the 17- time Grand Slam champion had the chance to clinch the tie in his reverse singles match against Fabio Fagnini on Sunday and Federer got the job done

in straight sets in Geneva. The Swiss have never won the David Cup before. And they have the chance to put that right when they play France in the

final in November.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROGER FEDERER, TENNIS PLAYER: Last thing we want to do is, you know, start thinking too far ahead. But clearly now that we are in the finals,

we have a winner mentality, it's going there and winning it. We know we have the chance. And in a great year for myself personally and also for

Stan I think it's a -- it's nice that we're going to have an opportunity to do something very special at the end of the year.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

THOMAS: Not as animated as Roger Federer normally is, but after that disappointment at the U.S. Open I can tell you, Kristie, he'll certainly be

going all out in the David Cup. Back to you.

LU STOUT: Yeah, Switzerland finally going to the final. Good stuff there.

Alex Thomas, thank you.

Your'e watching News Stream. Still ahead on the program, we'll tell you why American boots are now on the ground in Ukraine.

Also ahead, will Scotland vote yes or no? We'll look at how the rural vote could affect the independence referendum now just three days away.

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LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching News Stream. And these are your world headlines.

Now the threat posed by the extremist group ISIS is center stage at an international security conference that's taken place in Paris. Now the

French President Francois Hollande earlier today said that there is no time to lose to fight the militants and to rebuild Iraq.

Now the British Prime Minister David Cameron promises to hunt down the ISIS militants who beheaded the British aid worker David Haines calling

them monsters.

Now Haines is the third known westerner that ISIS has executed in recent weeks.

Now Mexico's Baja California peninsula is being battered by a powerful storm. Hurricane Odile made landfall on Sunday, near the resort of Cabo

San Lucas. Now winds were clocked at more than 200 kilometers an hour. Odile is expected to bring flash floods and landslides.

American Matthew Miller has been sentenced to six years hard labor after being convicted of committing hostile acts in North Korea. Now state

run North Korean media says Miller ripped up his tourist visa and requested asylum. Now the U.S. State Department is calling for his immediate release

and freedom for two other detained Americans.

Now tensions between Russia and the west could be further strained with the start of international military exercises in Ukraine. About 1,300

troops from more than a dozen countries, including the United States, are taking part in the operation.

Now Reza Sayah is in the western Ukrainian city of Yavirov (ph). He joins me now live with the latest.

Now Reza, American boots now on the ground there in Ukraine. Tell us more. What will happen during this military exercise?

REZA SAYAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Kristie, let's go ahead and show them to you. Behind us are some of the more than 130

American troops that have arrived here on Ukrainian soil. NATO troops are here as well. Both NATO and Washington, they've made it clear that they're

not here to get involved in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine, they're only here to train and practice. But in many ways, this is NATO and

Washington's way of sending a message to Moscow, flexing their muscles if you will. In essence, telling Russia, look at our alliance and look how

far our military might can reach. And obviously a lot of people are going to be anxious to see how Moscow reacts.

We are in Yavirov (ph), Ukraine. This is a town that's about 20 kilometers east of the Polish-Ukraine border. This is where these military

exercises are going to take place over the next couple of weeks. NATO says this event is designed to promote stability and security in the region and

to help Ukraine work more effectively with NATO countries in case there is a conflict.

This is an annual event. It happens every year here. However, obviously this time it takes place under very different circumstances,

about 1,000 kilometers east of us in Eastern Ukraine. There is a very fragile cease-fire in the conflict where on one side you had pro-Russian

rebels, on the other side you have Ukrainian forces. And that's why many critics of this event, including Moscow, say that perhaps this is not the

best time to hold the exercises, it's not the best time to have U.S. and NATO troops on the ground here in Ukraine, because it could be a

provocation that could fuel the tension.

Nevertheless, these exercises will go on during the next couple of weeks. Roughly 1,300 soldiers here in Western Ukraine from 11 NATO member

countries, four non-NATO member countries, including Ukraine. And they're going to be doing exercises like searching and diffusing for IEDs, rescue

operations, working more effectively with command centers. And it is very likely that throughout these exercises, Kristie, right next door Moscow is

going to be watching closely, very annoyed at what's happening here.

LU STOUT: We're seeing the activity right over your shoulder, these multination military drills taking place inside Ukraine, involving troops

from all over the world including the United States. We're waiting to hear the response from Moscow.

But meanwhile, Reza, I have to ask you about the cease-fire. I mean, what is the latest on the cease-fire and effort to keep it together?

SAYAH: Yeah, it's a fragile cease-fire, and you can tell by what's happening at the airports in rebel-held Donetsk. There's been intense

fighting over the past three days. We were there a couple of days ago in fact. Heavy shelling, heavy artillery fire, six people were killed

yesterday. And this is certainly a troubling sign that the two sides are violating the cease-fire.

However, there's also positive indications. This seems to be, this fighting in the Donetsk airport, seems to be an isolated fight, because if

you go elsewhere in the conflict zone, you don't see much widespread fighting. And there's also other indications that the two sides are

meeting some of the conditions of the cease-fire. They're also exchanging prisoners. They've been doing that over the past several days.

So, we're getting a lot of conflicting messages about what's happening in Eastern Ukraine, but certainly what's happened at the Donetsk airport

over the past several days, it's a troubling sign that at least some faction, some elements within these two sides are violating the cease-fire,

Kristie.

LU STOUT: All right, CNN's Reza Sayah reporting live from inside Ukraine, the site where these multinational military exercises are

underway. Reza, thank you.

Now a referendum to decide Scotland's independence is just days away. Now two polls have the no vote to stay part of the United Kingdom with a

slight lead. In another, the yes vote to leave the UK is ahead, but with more than enough undecideds to sway the vote either way. The outcome for

Scotland remains too close to call.

Now farmers in rural Scotland will be greatly affected either way the vote goes as senior international correspondent Nic Robertson now explains,

their livelihoods are also on the line.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Alasdair Forbes' (ph) family has been raising cattle in this remote Scottish glen for more than

five centuries. Back then, Scots ruled Scotland.

Today, he wants independence again. Fearful the British government will pull the entire UK out of the European union, killing EU farm

subsidies he relies on.

ALASDAIR FORES, FARMER: Where are the subsidies going to come from, you know? You might as well close down the farm in this glen. You know,

as I say, 70 percent of us -- of our income was subsidy.

ROBERTSON: Further up the glen, farmer Kathleen Matheson frets over farming subsidies, too.

KATHLEEN MATHESON, FARMER: Even with the amount of stock we have the prices that we get do not reflect the costs that we have to produce them.

So we would be farming at a loss.

ROBERTSON: But she plans to vote against independence. She's fearful there will be no subsidies because an independent Scotland will be left out

of the EU.

MATHESON: There are too many things undecided. We don't know about all the major things -- currency.

ROBERTSON: Alasdair Forbes differs, certain of quick EU membership and certain with a Scot in charge of negotiations, subsidies will be

increased.

FORBES: I mean, we get about a quarter of what they get in Ireland. And that's because we do not have anybody at the top table arguing for us.

ROBERTSON: Amid some of the most spectacular scenery in the British Isles, hearts are fighting minds. The attraction of independence over the

fear of the unknown. The battle between yes and no every bit as strong in the countryside as it is in the cities.

And it's not just farmers who feel their future is at stake in Scotland's vast wilderness.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: --said to have summoned a water monster in the River Ness--

ROBERTSON: Tourism is king here, too, on Loch Ness and on its banks overseas visitors keep this community afloat with cash. Worries the cost

of independence may drive up taxation and drive away visitors.

SCOTT SUTHERLAND, LOCH NESS LODGE: The increase in taxes will therefore impact and increase in what we need to charge out for us rooms

and therefore the bottom line is that the guest pays more.

ROBERTSON: But as on the farms, so it is in the tourism trade, division, as this tour operator put it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think we should have -- we should lose any business about it because Scotland is beautiful regardless of who is in the

government. So I have (inaudible) about it.

ROBERTSON: What is certain, even amid this stunning scenery, come polling day, voting will be as busy and contentious as anywhere else.

Nic Robertson, CNN, Loch Ness, Scotland.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LU STOUT: You're watching News Stream. And still to come, church leaders in Eastern China say they are facing the worst persecution in

decades. We'll bring you the latest.

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LU STOUT: Welcome back.

Now this month, Google is holding meetings in Europe on the so-called right to be forgotten. Now they are discussing an EU ruling that allows

people to ask Google to remove online links to information that may be inaccurate, irrelevant or out of date.

Now the Google meetings have been dismissed by some as a publicity stunt. But they underscore real issues about personal data online.

Now, if you've ever been the target of online bullying, if you were accused of something you didn't do, or if you cleared a debt many years

ago, but a story online says otherwise all of that is information that you would not want people to see if you googled your name. Now that is the

idea behind the right to be forgotten ruling. It allows people to use this form to request that certain search results be taken down.

Now this is only valid in Europe, however, and it only removes search results. Now the original page, that will still exist.

But critics, they say that ruling is open to abuse and could lead to important information being suppressed.

Let's get more now from Danny O'Brien, he's the international director the Electronic Frontier Foundation. He joins me live from San Francisco.

Danny, thank you so much for joining us here on CNN International.

Your thoughts on this ruling. Does the EU's right to be forgotten ruling amount to censorship?

DANNY O'BRIEN, ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION: Well, I think it's a troubling ruling, because it's an attempt to solve a really pressing

problem about privacy online with a very blunt instrument.

All of the content and all of the information that's being forgotten in these proposals is still out there. In the original case, the Gonzelez

(ph) case that led to this ruling, the news article about the bankruptcy that the person was involved in remains online. It's only the search

engine reference that's been removed.

LU STOUT: Got it. The content is still out there, it's just much harder to find because a search engine reference isn't there.

Now supporters of the ruling they say that it's balanced, that it helps search engines monitor the quality of information that they put

online. I mean, is that happening?

O'BRIEN: I don't think so, because I think the process by which the content is removed goes through a process that's really just leans towards

privacy. It doesn't really take free expression into account. If somebody makes a request for content to be removed, Google has an obligation to look

at that and Google doesn't really have any way to represent the other side.

I don't really want a large company like Google making a decision about what should and shouldn't go into that index. And I'm a little bit

uncomfortable with the idea, for instance, that the people who might have written the article about the person, or might have put this information

online don't get necessarily a chance to challenge this request to remove the content.

And remember, we're not just talking about inaccurate information or information that's previously put up that's definitively incorrect, we're

talking about things that people are simply say is incorrect. And people have a right to be incorrect online just as much as people have a right to

privacy online.

LU STOUT: People have a right to be incorrect online, to express their views online. The public has a right to information. But there is

also the need to protect privacy. So what is a good solution here to protect privacy and the public's right to information?

O'BRIEN: Well, I want a solution that works. And I think one of the biggest problems with the implementation of this decision, is we're talking

about removing something from search engines for a very specific phrase and only for search engines that have a footprint within Europe. So it's very

easy for someone who really wants to find out this information to simply either go to a search engine that doesn't have a base in Europe or even

just type a different string into Google or use on of Google's outpost services elsewhere. Google.com doesn't do this sort of content removal as

opposed to Google.co.UK in Europe

A good solution, I think, really is to go after this information at source. If you want some content removed from the internet and you want

your right to be forgotten expressed, then I think you have to tackle it at source, you have to find the content that's being said about you and then

we need a legal system that enables you to challenge that content. But that challenge has to be an even battle. I think it has to be a battle

that takes place either in the courts or an equivalent kind of judicial procedure, not on the fact that you filled in a form on Google's website.

LU STOUT: Well, Danny, thank you so much for walking us through this very complicated issue, but it's a very important one. It's about our

online information. It's about what's going to happen to our recorded history in this digital age.

Danny O'Brien, we'll leave it at that. Thank you so much for joining us. Danny O'Brien of course works at the Electronic Frontier Foundation

joining us live from San Francisco. Take care.

O'BRIEN: Thanks, Kristie.

LU STOUT: Now church leaders in eastern China say that they are facing the worst persecution in decades. Now symbols of their faith are

being removed from city skylines and some churchgoers say that they're facing threats and violence.

And now, exclusive video shows police clashing with church members. David McKenzie reports.

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DAVID MCKENZIE, CN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Extraordinary scenes of defiance in the middle of the night, a church congregation barricading

themselves in from hundreds of riot police.

It's happening in Wenzhou, known as the Jerusalem of China where for months the government has demolished scores of churches and torn down

hundreds of crosses.

CHEN ZHI'AI, CHURCH LEADER IN WENZHOU (through translator): What the government is doing is so barbaric. Today we've seen the fundamental

symbol of our faith violated and hurts us deep inside our hearts.

MCKENZIE: Chen Zhi'ai is a respected church leader in Wenzhou. He says the faithful now live in fear.

In this amateur video obtained by CNN, Linda Salvation Church (ph) security camera footage, police brutally beat the faithful and drag them

away.

Still, Christians here aren't backing down. For more than two months they've had people here day and night 24/7 guarding the gates of this

church to stop the Communist Party from coming in and tearing down their cross.

"I'm going to hold the cross in my arms and protect it," says this man. "We didn't steal, we didn't rob, we didn't take drugs. What did we

do?"

Through state media, local authorities say they are targeting all illegal structures, but party documents show that churches are a focus.

Church leaders say their crime was to become too numerous, too intimidating for a party suspicious of the faithful.

Recent research shows that there could soon be more Christians than Communist Party members. And in 15 years, more Christians in China than

anywhere else, facts disputed by the party.

Chen says that Christians have no interest in politics, but he has a warning--

ZHI'AI (through translator): Law enforces are breaking the law themselves if they keep doing things this way there is a saying, those who

play with fire will get burned.

MCKENZIE: After violent clashes, Salvation Church members push back the police, but they came back with reinforcements several weeks later and

stripped the church of its cross.

Still, the devout say they won't stop believing here, because their faith is too strong.

David McKenzie, CNN, Wenzhou, China.

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LU STOUT: And word just in from our Beijing bureau, that video report you saw just now if you were able to see it, it was blacked out by the

censors inside Mainland China.

You're watching News Stream. Still ahead on the program, in the shadow of war, life goes on, including the harvest at this Golan Heights

winery. That story is next.

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LU STOUT: Welcome back.

Now keeping a business up and running in times of war and conflict can be a huge challenge. But wine makers in the Israeli controlled Golan

Heights are still smashing grapes even with Syria's civil war knocking at their doorstep. Ian Lee reports.

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IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The sun rises over the Golan Heights, burning off the cold morning mist, the perfect time to pick wine grapes.

Druze and Arabs from nearby villages harvest the ripe fruit. Israel occupied this strategic plateau from Syria in the 1967 war and turned it

into a major wine producing region.

These grapes are bound for the Pelter Winery. A conveyor belt delivers them to a sorter -- fruits from stems, the grapes then sliver

toward a slow press. Old techniques give way to modern -- no feet stomping here to create their more than 100,000 bottles of wine a year.

Co-Owner Tal Pelter runs the multimillion dollar winery. We find him testing wine in a room full of oak barrels, or what he calls expensive tea

bags.

TAL PELTER, CEO, PELTER WINERY: When you go taste barrels usually you know where you started. And you want to see the progress in development of

flavor.

LEE: The wineries attract tourists, people wanting to taste directly from the source, like to Toby and Rachel Spigelman.

RACHEL SPIGELMAN, WINE TASTER: They're wine lovers. I don't understand a thing about wine. I just enjoy it. My husband is the wine

connoisseur. He knows the years and the blends and everything else. I just, I go along with him and this is how we stay married for 32 years.

LEE: Suddenly, a siren blares, workers and tourists take cover, exposing the surreal reality of the Golan, wine tasting next to a deadly

civil war.

A few fields over, Syrian rebels and government troops exchange fire, the Golan hasn't been left unscathed.

When the strike came in and exploded once it hit the roof, leaving divots on the ground, shrapnel like this peppered the walls and injured one

person. The tanks, too, holding the wine were hit, spilling tens of thousands of bottles worth of wine all over the ground.

PELTER: It took our very calm, let's say lifestyle and shook it up a bit. But it's not something to be afraid of.

LEE: Tal sympathizes with his neighbors across the border, but he's not allowing it to affect his life. As proof, the company is expanding,

keeping their wine exclusive by diversifying into other markets -- Kosher wine and cognac. So the harvest and wine process continues in the shadow

of a war.

Ian Lee, CNN, the Golan Heights.

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LU STOUT: And that is News Stream, but the news continues at CNN. World Business Today is next.

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