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DR. DREW

Ray Rice Viral Video Scandal Gets Bigger

Aired September 10, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a mother busted because of a Facebook photo. Why did she post a picture of her 7-year-old

drinking whiskey?

Plus, a teenage rampage caught on tape. The viral video shows random mob attacks on innocent store clerks and customers. How did more than 100

people get caught up in all this?

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening. My co-host, of course, is Samantha Schacher.

We have those stories and new breaking information on the NFL scandal. The Ray Rice story just got a whole lot bigger.

Sam, bombshell tonight.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: There is a bombshell tonight, Dr. Drew. The NFL says they saw that punching video with the rest of us when TMZ

sports released it. Well, guess what? It seems like there`s more to that story.

PINSKY: And this is the most tweeted story of the day. The NFL denies, in these words, in no uncertain terms that anyone there had seen

the viral video of Rice punching his wife in an elevator before Monday, when we all saw it.

But take a look at some of this video from TMZ sports.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Under a firestorm of criticism, the NFL commissioner Roger Goodell speaking out for the first time since this

shocking video was released on Monday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The NFL, it`s unconceivable to me they didn`t know about all of this stuff. The NFL is very protective. They`re very --

they`re very thorough.

Try to do something wrong in a casino. See if your wife and husband or police doesn`t find out about it the next day. Impossible.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Try to do something wrong in the NFL, impossible.

Look, no one wants to lose a player like Ray Rice. No one wants -- you know, O.J. Simpson would have gone back and played had he still been

that age.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "The Associated Press" say that this is coming from anonymous law enforcement official, that they gave the video to the

NFL on an unsolicited bases, because they wanted NFL to have it before they made their punishment regarding Rice.

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PINSKY: Now, "The Associated Press" reports that a law enforcement source, as you heard in that report, so-called, he claims that he sent the

tape to the NFL back in April. He made a recording of someone at the NFL offices accepting the tape and saying to him on the phone, quote, "You are

right, it`s terrible."

SCHACHER: Wow.

PINSKY: Joining us, Vanessa Barnett, hiphollywood.com, Mark Eiglarsh, attorney at speaktomark.com, Leeann Tweeden, social commentator, host of

"The Tomboys" podcast on Blog Talk Radio.

And, Leeann, you were most of your career a sports commentator. Do you think there`s any possibility that this went no further than whomever

it was that answered the phone and said it`s terrible?

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Absolutely not. You mean to tell me that a girl that has a minimum wage answering phones on something like

this, it had been brewing since February and she`s not going to send the tape further on than her desks? No way.

PINSKY: No way. But, Mark, don`t you think it might have been advisable, might the attorneys within the NFL said, don`t look at anything

that comes in, if it comes in, just put it past your desk, throw in the trash can?

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Yes, anything`s possible. Here`s the problem. We`re all tired of what is -- what we`re perceiving as the NFL

being intellectually dishonest with us. Either option that they`re advancing sucks. Either they never saw the tape and they should have or

they did get the tape and they`re looking at it and now they`re lying. It`s kind of like the electric chair or the gas chamber. Both stink.

PINSKY: Here`s what the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said to CBS News. Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you know that a second tape existed?

ROGER GOODELL, NFL COMMISSIONER: We had not seen any videotape of what occurred in the elevator. We assumed that there was a video. We

asked for a video, but we were never granted that opportunity.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What was ambiguous about her laying unconscious on the floor being dragged out by her feet?

GOODELL: There was nothing ambiguous about that. That was the result that we saw. We did not know what led up to that. We did not know the

details of that.

We asked for that on several occasions. It was unacceptable in and of itself what we saw in the first tape. And that`s why we took action.

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PINSKY: So, Vanessa, I hate it when somebody gets up and tells a story and somebody goes, oh, they`re not telling the truth. I don`t like

calling people liars.

Is it, though, possible that they didn`t want to know the truth and sort of diverted their gaze from further investigation?

VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: No, no, no. If you don`t want to call them a liar, I will. Lies, lies, all the lies everybody been told.

Every step of the way, this man has lied and he`s made poor judgment calls. The two-game suspension wasn`t enough. Now, he`s mad that everyone

has seen the video and his knee jerk reaction is ban him for life.

And every step of the way he didn`t making the right choices. You say a six-game suspension for first-time offenders and now kicking him out for

life.

EIGLARSH: I`m going to defend him.

BARNETT: And now you`re taking him out for life. Like where`s the consistency her.

EIGLARSH: I`m going to defend him.

PINSKY: Try.

EIGLARSH: Let`s just say that he`s telling the truth, just for one moment. So the judge, like in my arena, somehow is dolling out a very

important sentence and knows nothing about the case? Didn`t look at the evidence? Doesn`t have a feel for it? That`s a miscarriage of justice,

what he`s suggesting.

PINSKY: Sam?

SCHACHER: OK, here`s the thing. I just called B.S. on the entire NFL. It`s a disgrace, because this isn`t the first incident of domestic

violence. Unfortunately, it`s not going to be the last. And, you know, spousal abuse is a huge issue in America in general.

PINSKY: And we`re going to get into it.

SCHACHER: Yes, and football is the all-American sport. What perfect opportunity to be the example and the lead by example by really taking a

firm stance on this and saying, hey, we`re going to take a zero tolerance policy. But you guys are right, they have completely backpedalled.

They`re more worried about saving face. It`s so ingenious and it`s just making them worse --

TWEEDEN: Can I just make one point? A couple years ago, Sean Payton of the New Orleans Saints was suspended for a year as being head coach

because they were putting bounties on heads. They called it bounty-gate, OK?

PINSKY: You mean he didn`t smoke pot the way the others were suspended for a year?

TWEEDEN: No, no, what I was saying is that this defensive coordinator was saying, OK, you take this guy out on the legs, we`re going to put 100

bucks on the head. Sean Payton said he didn`t know anything about it, and Roger Goodell said I`m suspending you for a year because ignorance is not

an excuse.

Well, Roger Goodell, you need to swallow that same thing right there, because ignorance is not an excuse. Whether you knew it or not, somebody

is lying.

PINSKY: Good point. Leeann, well said.

I was impressed by that. I`m also impressed by what Pat O`Brien said yesterday. We`re going to bring Pat back today. Now, in response to the

"A.P.`s" report that this video was sent to the NFL executive offices in April, the NFL tells CNN, quote, "We have no knowledge of this. We are not

aware of anyone in our office who possessed or saw the video before Monday. We will look into it."

TWEEDEN: They are doubling down.

PINSKY: Leeann, it`s a great point that if it was good for that coach in the eyes of Goodell, why can`t Goodell hold himself to the same

standard? And that`s kind of what it feels like to me, like, they didn`t really want to know.

And, Mark, your point is that that`s a miscarriage as well. That they should have had a good feel for it, not look the other way. Yes?

EIGLARSH: Of course. Yes. Of course, that`s what a good judge does and that`s what he was playing, a judge.

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TWEEDEN: They did they didn`t look into it far enough. So, they even admitted that.

BARNETT: And at the end of the day, you don`t need to see the punch to see her knockout. They saw her knocked out. They saw him drag her

across the floor. You didn`t need to see the punch to know it was a vicious punch that had to result in that.

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SCHACHER: Absolutely. Like it was in a boxing ring.

PINSKY: But you know what, guys? I would have had a certain amount of denial. I -- you know, we all kind of admired Ray Rice. Oh, something

must have happened, she must have slipped in her head, or may she (INAUDIBLE) then when you see it.

EIGLARSH: We all? Not we all.

PINSKY: No, I`m just saying, when you see, it`s so visceral. It`s so intense. You can`t deny what we`re looking at there. Next, we`re going to

learn more about Janay, the wife. We`ll tell you what we know.

And, later, I mentioned in the intro, a mother getting in big trouble after posting a picture of her little son on Facebook in a certain kind of

pose with a certain kind of beverage, an adult beverage.

Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The couple met as teenagers and started in 2008 just before Rice was drafted by the Baltimore Ravens. That same year, she

transferred from a junior college to Townsend University in Maryland to be closer to Rice. After she graduated in 2011, he proposed to her,

surprising her with a ring and a new car. In 2012, they had a baby they named Rayven. In February of this year, the brutal elevator this year in

an Atlantic City hotel and casino. The couple got married one month later.

A woman clearly supporting her husband, even taking on some of the blame.

JANAY RICE: I do deeply regret the role I had played in the incident that night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Janay Rice has to blame herself and blame the news media, but at least publicly, she`s not blaming her husband.

JANAY RICE: I love Ray and I know he will continue to prove himself.

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PINSKY: I`m back with Sam, and our behavior bureau, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, professor at Pepperdine University, Spirit, host of "The

Daily Help Line", and Emily Roberts, psychotherapist.

If Janay Rice is willing to let her husband prove himself -- my question, I`ll start with you, Spirit, should we -- should she or should

get out of there? And again, should we give him room for something like treatment and redemption?

SPIRIT, THE DAILY HELP LINE: You know, we have to be able to talk about treatment and redemption. I`ve been saying this since April, Dr.

Drew -- we are having the wrong conversations because we are focused on the tape. Did we see, did we not see, what is it?

And we need to be talking about what domestic violence. We need to be real about the situation. When we know that he drug her out of an elevator

unconscious, what the hell did we think happened? Did we think that he kissed her? Kissed her into unconsciousness? Did we think that he blew on

her and she became unconscious?

We need to use this as a teaching mechanism so when we see our men with black eyes, when we see our women with bruises all over their bodies,

we understand that this is what physical aspects of domestic violence looks like and then talk about the other aspects of domestic violence. And then

help people that need helped and stop ostracizing and distancing ourselves from them.

I`m disgusted by this.

PINSKY: They need help. They both need help if they`re going to stay together.

Emily, I know you deal a lot with adolescence. Let`s take our first teaching point here, which is, I said this I believe yesterday, which is

that when kids are witness to domestic violence, just witness to it, when it goes on in their household, the boys become warriors and the girls

become worriers. The girls act in, the boys act out.

Do you agree?

EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I agree 100 percent. We often times see that girls perpetuate this in their own romantic relationships.

So, if for any other reason they don`t get help besides helping all the victims out there, what I think that she could do is she could at least

help her kids see how to get treatment and to have a healthy relationship. All I want them to do honestly is for the sake for everybody else, please,

talk about how you were making yourself and family better. Are you going to church or whatever you`re doing for yourself, are you going to

treatment, are you going to therapy? Talk about how people can move on and heal from stuff like this for your children`s sake.

PINSKY: All right. Judy, it`s a hard question. Can they? Is it treatable?

JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: Is this treatable? Well, it depends on whether or not both of these people are going to actually take

responsibility for what happened. And unfortunately, we see a common pattern here with the wife, because she is really standing up for him in

public and saying she`s going to stand by him.

And, yes, I know, sometimes victims still love their abusers, but this is not setting a good example for them, actually taking accountability and

putting it on Ray to actually get treatment.

And this is another important point, Dr. Drew, is observational learning. It`s not just the kids in the house about the observational

learning. It`s about the entire country.

PINSKY: Yes, yes.

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SPIRIT: We need to keep it real, though, Judy. Let`s keep it real, because we saw that video and two things we know, without a doubt, this is

not the first time that there`s been violence between them.

PINSKY: We all agree on that. We all agree on that.

SPIRIT: And two, let`s be honest, she put her hands on him, too. That`s what we saw in that video first.

PINSKY: Apparently, there`s more of that.

SPIRIT: One person victimizing the other. Let`s be honest about what domestic violence is.

HO: And that`s not the point that I was making.

PINSKY: No, I get your pint, Judy, but my question is, though, should they be separated? Is that the way that should -- if you had unlimited

ability to intervene in this case, would you separate them?

HO: I would absolutely separate them. They can`t get better unless they`re getting individual treatment. It`s not just about their

relationship.

PINSKY: But would you have them living away from each other?

HO: Should they be living away from each other?

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: They should be individually in treatment on their own.

PINSKY: I get that.

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SCHACHER: I without a doubt think that they need to be separated. I`m sorry.

And I`m with you, Spirit, I hope he gets treatment. I hope he can be rehabilitated. I have no idea the likelihood or percentage of abusers who

do get rehabilitated. But if that`s how he hit her in public, in that elevator, like he was in the boxing ring, I fear how he treats her in the

privacy of their own home. So, until he`s treated, they should be separated.

PINSKY: Let me get you guys into some more craziness, because other NFL wives are rushing to Janay`s defense. Some say they understand her

decision to stay by her husband.

I`m going to play for you what they said on NBC`s "Today" show. Watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re not helping. Everybody is continually making us relive this when we`re trying to heal and grow from this. So

where is the help? Where is the support?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t think it`s too hard for me to understand why Janay would stay with Ray.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think I would probably end up being one to stay, because you assume that role. You`re there to support. And you

uphold the image that you feel is necessary for your family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are not violent people. They`re very loving, doting over each other, over their daughter. It was never any let me use

Ray as a meal ticket. Everything they`re trying to build, they`re trying to build together and be a family and they made this one big mistake.

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PINSKY: All right, guys. Here we are. Everyone`s skin crawling?

ROBERTS: Yes. The mistake that was caught.

PINSKY: Yes, staying together so we can pretend it didn`t happen is really what I heard, so we can forget about that and grow away from it

because it didn`t happen.

SPIRIT: But you know what? I mean, to her defense, let`s be real. She was unconscious. She probably never even saw what it looked like

either until this video was released. I wonder what --

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ROBERTS: But let`s not forget they`re a family, too.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: I`m having a real problem with these wives speaking out the way they did. I understand everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: But, Dr. Drew, since 2000, there`s been 713 arrests with NFL players. Out of the 713, almost 100 were related to domestic violence.

ROBERTS: It`s not just the NFL. You don`t have to separate or get divorced for everybody.

PINSKY: Say that again, Emily?

ROBERTS: I don`t think you need to separate or get divorced. We need them to be the poster child --

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PINSKY: Correct me I`m wrong on this, but by the time somebody is getting punched out as though they were in the octagon, your job is to

separate those two people, right?

ROBERTS: Your job is to get them in treatment to heal their families. Sometimes they do need to be separated.

PINSKY: That may have happened a long time ago, this all was months, so they may actually happened. We may be seeing them in an upslope of

something good.

Listen, what are guys going to do here? I want to play that tape of the other NFL -- do I have to wait until after the break? You guys tell

me.

All right. Look at the alternative. This is another NFL wife. Her name is Dewan Williams. She knows exactly what Janay is going through and

has a different point of view. She was married to former NFL player Wally Williams and she`s been very public about the violence in their

relationship.

Take a listen.

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DEWAN WILLIAMS: Clearly, the way that went down, that is something that has happened before. Right now, she`s on an island, and because she

has to protect what she has, because that is her life right now, and she`s riding on Ray Rice`s career at this point. So she has to protect that.

And if he punches her like that in a public place, I can`t imagine what she`s going through at home.

My heart says, you know, she`s in love. She wants to save her marriage. My mind says, she`s being abused.

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PINSKY: Coercive, controlling relationships, you lose your perspective when you`re in the middle of it. You really don`t know what`s

going on until you start to look at it objectively.

We have to go to break. Thank you, panel. We`re going to keep this conversation going. We`re going to talk about that tape and we`re going to

bring Pat O`Brien once again to give his opinion about the new findings, the new bombshell tonight.

And later, police say a mom admits to giving her son a taste of whiskey, then here`s the real smart part, taking that fireball toting boy

and posting a picture of him on Facebook. Now, the trouble starts.

Back after this.

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WILLIAMS: Reach out, you know. You`re left on an island by yourself. People disassociate themselves from you.

The NFL turns your back on you. You have these men -- they`re playing a very violent sport, and it`s OK to use aggression and force and it`s OK

to force themselves on someone on the football field. So when they come home at night and they`re not use to not getting their way.

So, when you say no, or when you say you`re not going to do this, they enforce their will.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam and our behavior bureau, Judy, Spirit, Leeann.

Joining us on the phone is Pat O`Brien. He`s the author of "I`ll Be Back Right After This", a "New York Times" bestseller. There it is.

Pat, I was dying to get your response to the news today. Yesterday, you said it`s virtually impossible for the NFL not to have known about this

tape. Today, what do you think?

PAT O`BRIEN, AUTHOR (via telephone): Well, we were right. And, by the way, full disclosure, Leeann and I were in a car race once at an NFL

event, and she cheated and beat me.

PINSKY: I`ll vouch, Leeann is a cheater. She cheats.

TWEEDEN: That was like the only year I didn`t win, Pat.

O`BRIEN: Actually, I might have won that year.

Anyway, no, I mean, we said that and by the way, Twitter and you know my views on Twitter, but we were the only people to say it`s inconceivable.

And it was inconceivable and it still is. The NFL is the most throughout investigative unit on the planet. They know what we`re saying right now.

They know everything.

I know it`s another network, but take a look at what this has done. Even from last night`s show, Drew, and Sam, everybody. Look at Katie

Nolands (ph), she works for FOX Sports. She trashed FOX Sports. She trashed NFL. She thrashed the ladies, and the lack of women doing play by

play and having positions in the NFL booth.

This is an opportunity, there are so many things going on with the NFL right now. This is an opportunity for a strong commissioner to take them

one by one and start looking at them. Otherwise, we`ve already seeing some standers come forward, as I said last night, they`re going to be looking at

Congress that will open up their books and that`s exactly what the owners don`t want them to do.

PINSKY: Leeann, make that point to Pat about Goodell`s action, I forget the coach`s name --

TWEEDEN: Sean Payton.

PINSKY: Sean Payton.

TWEEDEN: Well, you remember a couple of years ago, Pat, that Sean Payton was suspended for a year during bounty gate. And it was really --

I`m sure he knew about it as well then. How do you not know about it? It`s your team. It`s the defensive coordinator and he`s putting bounty on

heads for their players.

PINSKY: But he claimed he didn`t. But he said he didn`t.

TWEEDEN: Well, he said he didn`t. But still, Roger Goodell said, ignorance is not an excuse. And I think Roger Goodell needs to live by

that as well.

What do you think, Pat, is going to happen to Roger Goodell? Do you think that somewhere down the line, that he may be replaced or may have to

take sometime away from the NFL?

O`BRIEN: Sean Payton is a good friend of mine and it was awful what happened to him, but he got paid. So, also -- even though he`s a friend,

don`t tell me they don`t know everything, they do.

Roger Goodell, as I said last night, is an employee, like all of us, except for Drew who owns everything he ever does. But he is an employee.

It`s 32 owners that have to step up.

I don`t know how busy if they haven`t seen, if any of them have, I don`t think they have, and those are the men who are going to -- I think

there`s one women. Those are the men and women who have to say to Roger, let`s make some changes. Because you know what? They don`t want to be

anti-trusted.

Remember when Rockefeller became vice president? Congress couldn`t wait to open up his books and find out about the Rockefeller family and

they can do it.

This is an opportunity, and it`s not a Ray Rice problem, as I said last night, this is an opportunity for women`s groups to get behind this.

You know, groups can do things. We`ve seen it in recovery, Drew.

PINSKY: Yes.

O`BRIEN: We`ve seen it in the AIDS area and the gay and lesbian community, what they`ve done with that.

PINSKY: Well, domestic is a huge, huge --

O`BRIEN: Once public opinion gets involved.

PINSKY: Yes, it`s a huge issue. I don`t want us to be blaming -- there was a tape that played on the way in here from one of the wives who

is taking issue with the wives who are so supportive. I don`t want to say that just because a guy is going to be aggressive on the football field,

he`s going to be aggressive at home. You cannot say that.

Spirit, would you agree with me that there has to be exposure in the home that when you add what happens on the gridiron, now you`ve got

trouble?

SPIRIT CLANTON, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Then it`s a dangerous mix. You know, I`ve been saying this for years and I can`t agree with Pat more on

this. I think that we need to challenge the men and women of the NFL, two words -- personal development. They need to invest in these players and

not just for what they can do on the field. They need to be having these conversations in their individual locker rooms about domestic violence,

about self-esteem, about anger management, about all of these issues that they already know that are going on with these players. And, it is not

just the NFL. It is the NBA. It is the W -- you know it is all of the organizations. We need to make this a national problem, because it is --

PINSKY: Sam?

CLANTON: -- and, we have to invest in people.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I agree with you. And to your point, Spirit, it is also the culture and the celebrity surrounding it,

because a number of the fans will excuse any and all of their behavior because of how they play on the field. And, in that interview, Dr. Drew,

the CNN interview, the former NFL wife.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: I know that she is still married, but he is no longer in the NFL.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: She said that there are a number of police reports that she filed and because the police were fans, the reports just disappeared.

PINSKY: It happens.

SCHACHER: That is crazy.

PINSKY: Judy, I want to get your thoughts before we wrap up.

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I think that there is a lot of policy that they need to look at. Again, I know they just reissued

a new policy a month ago, but it is not enough. They have data to begin with when they get these players on the field, when they are getting them

into the draft. So, why are they not using that data and why are they not re-evaluating these players between the off-season and actually using that

data. That is my question.

PINSKY: And, Pat, to your point, there is a scandal around head injury and a scandal around when they leave the NFL, how those head

injuries play out in terms of their ability to be productive.

And, now, we have these issues -- so there is a lot of -- at very minimum, God knows what kind of substance issues are going on. There is a

very minimum to look in mental health of these players and to deal with them as people and not just as products. So, Pat, thank you for coming on.

I appreciate it.

PAT O`BRIEN, T.V. AND RADIO HOST: But, just real quick on that.

PINSKY: Yes.

O`BRIEN: Apparently, every NFL player watches your show, so I do want to say that we are not putting every player in this category.

HO: No. Not at all.

PINSKY: No, not at all. I am an NFL fan. I am huge NFL fan. I am a football fan.

O`BRIEN: They are wonderful guys. Right.

PINSKY: That is why when they say that they are aggressive on the field --

SCHACHER: That is not true.

PINSKY: That is just not true.

CLANTON: No. That is not what I am saying at all. They need to call people like us and say Spirit, come and do two hours on domestic violence

inside of our locker room and talk about this. No, it is not. It what is need to happen.

PINSKY: Pat, finish up here please.

O`BRIEN: And, so I just think that we have an opportunity. Look, public opinion forced the President to go on tonight to talk about the

night before 9/11 in front of all these people, but to talk about ISIL. This is an opportunity, Drew, you and I, talked about them all the time.

PINSKY: Yes.

O`BRIEN: Things can be solved. And, again, I know there is a lot of NFL players listening and maybe they should look at themselves, as well.

PINSKY: Yes.

O`BRIEN: And, basketball players, baseball players.

PINSKY: Within they can start -- the NBA does a pretty good job with some of this stuff. Anyway, we got to go.

O`BRIEN: This is the last thing the players want and there will be an investigation on cheating scandal when she beat me in the race.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Got to go, guys. That is good. A cheating has been investigated. Next, a recorded riot of more than 100 teens goes viral.

This is what happens when people turn into a mob, spontaneously.

And, later, is anything wrong with giving your child a sip of whisky? Well, maybe it is when you advertise it on Facebook. There she is. She

thought that was a good idea. Back after this.

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Vanessa, Mark and Leeann. A violent beating caught on camera showing a mob, a sudden spontaneous mob of

teenagers randomly attacking people outside a grocery store in Memphis, Tennessee. Video was then uploaded to YouTube and Facebook where it

quickly went viral. Now, I am going to show you this video. The images may be disturbing, so here we go. Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: They fixing to fight.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The arrests keep coming in the vicious and disturbing attack at Kroger over the weekend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): It was hard to watch. Really hard to watch and gruesome.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Damn! Where is the security? Where is the security?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The teen was knocked unconscious. He kicked in the head and people threw pumpkins on top of him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (2): It was fun for them. They were out having a good time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: All right. So -- yes, Sam, your reaction?

SCHACHER: Wow . I did not watch the video earlier because I knew it would be disturbing. That reminded me that mob mentality, the Mayhem, the

chaos reminds me of "Lord of the Flies." That was the first thing that came to my mind. And, all of these kids acting that way?

PINSKY: It is incredible. That is spontaneously acting that way. And, I have said this for a while.

SCHACHER: Wow.

PINSKY: We live in a time when people are prone to mobs. That is what we are seeing in social media. People act out in a blood lust.

Vanessa, did one of my producers tell me you actually had a personal experience of something like this?

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. It was not nearly as many kids or nor that gruesome. But, yes, we get off at the buss stop, I am in

junior high school and there is always that core group of like just bad kids that are just down to do whatever. And, they are picking on this boy

and they started beating him up.

But, as we are getting off the bus, all of us, me included, I am not going to like about this, we all kind of funnel over there, where it

becomes like kind of a mob thing. There is 10, 12, 15 of us and, you know, people started jumping in. And, I almost find myself kind of in this mash

pit of almost jumping in myself and it grows.

PINSKY: People get high. They get high.

BARNETT: Yes. And, you feel like you are in some kind of thing. And, you do not realize that this person is just being pummelled and near

death and it just swells and that is just overwhelmingly gruesome. But being somewhat involved in something like that, I was 12, and I do not know

how I even thought something like that was OK.

PINSKY: You were not thinking.

BARNETT: But, I think parenting stuff is in, because I know at a certain point I walk away, because I know my mama is not down for that.

But, some of those kids when the parent is not involved in the right way and not teaching the right things, you think throwing a pumpkin at someone

is head is OK and fine.

PINSKY: If the parents are unavailable or parents are aggressive themselves. But, Mark, the question -- it begs the question, these kids

under 18 years of age, should the parents be held responsible in some way? And, Leeann, I know, of course, they should.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the direct answer is, absolutely 100 percent, it depends. It depends on what they know. It

depends on what their kid has done. If this is an isolated incident and otherwise exemplary life, the kids should be treated one way and the

parents should be treated one way.

If this is a kid, who has repeated acts of violence that these carried out and the parents know about it, it is reasonably foreseeable he will be

involved in more stuff. They should be tagged both civilly and arguably even for some type of criminal offense.

PINSKY: Leeann.

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Oh my Gosh, one of the kids in the video, I think they tracked the one down in the green. And, we see

stomping on that kid`s head and throwing pumpkin on top of his head. And, he has a rap sheet like ten arrests. I think three of them are felonies

and his mom has not done anything yet --

PINSKY: But, Leeann -- Leeann --

TWEEDEN: -- And, his mom has not done anything, yet.

PINSKY: Do you think he got the whole thing going somehow? I mean is that who is leading our young people, somebody who is a sociopath --

criminal -- who is a criminal.

TWEEDEN: Probably. But, even a kid that would start something -- when I grew up in a not so great neighborhood either. Just because some

kid said, "Hey! Let us go beat up the kid, does not mean 100 of us followed him and did it. When your kids do not show up at highs or the

7eleven down the street, did not mean a hundred of kids will follow him and did it.

But, let me say this. Parents can be held accountable for truancy. When your kids do not show up for school, we have a mother that has a child

that we know has a rap sheet and has three felonies who is not 18 years old, OK? Parents have a responsible. That is to parent.

Not only do you take care of these kids financially. You put a roof over their head. You put food in their mouths. You try to help them get

an education. What about the parenting? The most important thing, ever. We need to do something where the parents have to do something --

PINSKY: Where is dad?

TWEEDEN: Where is dad? OK. But, we have the mom.

PINSKY: But, Leeann, you said the mom knows about this. Where is dad?

TWEEDEN: Right. Right.

PINSKY: Why do not we call his ass back to make him accountable?

TWEEDEN: I agree. But, we know the kid lives with the mom. So, let us hold the mom accountable for now because maybe she is the only one in

the picture. But, until something happens, this will not change, Dr. Drew. And, it is only going to get worse.

PINSKY: Sam?

SCHACHER: And, Dr. Drew, 125 kids.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: Really? I mean I can understand maybe like 10 or 12, but is there something in the water?

TWEEDEN: Scary.

SCHACHER: I cannot even follow it.

PINSKY: Well, you, guys, saw that tweet you threw up a minute ago while Mark was on? It said something like, "What is happening in this

world?" And, I think that is the big question, what is going on? -- They lost that tweet. But, it was a really good question. Her name was Tanya

or something.

SCHACHER: I saw that tweet. Yes.

PINSKY: Yes. And, it was just what is going on that people troll on the internet, people feel entitled to beating one another up. People form

mobs. What is going on?

BARNETT: I think it is a new way that people are getting their aggression out. Now, we are seeing a development in sudden way with the

social media --

PINSKY: Well, no. They are feeling gratified.

BARNETT: -- and it is just taking over. And, like you said, it is becoming more of a mob mentality.

PINSKY: Mark?

EIGLARSH: Drew, I have said before on your program that anger is nothing more than fear turned outward. Depression is fear turned inward.

So, when I see a kid acting like this, filled with anger and rage, I think to myself, one of the thoughts, of course, is what is he so fearful of?

PINSKY: Well --

EIGLARSH: What is going on? And, that has to be determined.

PINSKY: He experienced terror at one time in his life and terror gets converted to rage. Next up, hear from the father --

SCHACHER: Mark needs to be on the Behavior Bureau, wow.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: -- Hear from the father of one of the victims, back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A brutal mob-like attack of three people in the Kroger parking lot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: They are fixing to fight. Where the security at? Damn! Get him, you all. Somebody call somebody. Call

somebody.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Spirit, Emily and joining us, Mike Catherwood. My Love Line co-host. That was a cell phone video of a violent teen mob

attacking a 17-year-old for no apparent reason, whatsoever. Emily, 11 teens have been arrested.

In the last block, we were talking about whether parents should be held accountable. To me, I see a lot of males acting out like this and I

wonder where their dads are, because we know that men that are reared without dads are more prone to aggression. Do you agree?

EMILY ROBERTS, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Absolutely. And, I also think, though, that we really do need to hold these parents accountable, moms or

dads, without a healthy paranoia. This is going to continue. So, if parents are on guard and they are ready to go and they say you know what?

If my kid gets in trouble, I am in trouble? That is great! Let us keep it up. They will be more aware of what is going on. We need more parents

involved, moms or dads. And, just to start doing something about this. It keeps happening. It is disgusting.

PINSKY: Mike, what do think?

MIKE CATHERWOOD, RADIO HOST PERSONALITY: Well, I agree. Look, obviously, a stable household is going to have an effect on a child. But,

I do not think that this is necessarily increasing in the volume or that this is happening with more consistency. For instance --

PINSKY: Mobs. You do not think mobs are acting out more?

CATHERWOOD: No, Drew. I do not.

PINSKY: I complain about it all the time on social media --

CATHERWOOD: I understand. I understand you.

PINSKY: You have to listen to me. Everyday I am talking about that.

CATHERWOOD: I am talking about specifically with acts of violence like this.

PINSKY: OK.

CATHERWOOD: In the `90s, when I was in high school, I unfortunately witnessed a lot of gang beatings, much like this one. But everybody did

not happen to have a phone on them.

PINSKY: Sam?

CATHERWOOD: I think that these are making their way to the internet for us all to see.

PINSKY: And, Sam, I wonder. Are they doing it to upload on the phone and try to get famous?

SCHACHER: Yes. OK. So, two answers. OK? So, the first one, this is the second time that this Kroger, according to the manager, that they

had a mob or this mob in the past two weeks. So, I do not know if it is some sort of game. And, then the answer to your question, Dr. Drew.

I do think that there is some sort of motivation when it comes to social media and hoping to gain some sort of YouTube celebrity. And, that

is so sick to me that somebody could risk harming somebody or even potentially murdering someone, just so they can get 15 minutes of fame? I

mean what does that say about them?

PINSKY: Spirit, you look really bothered by this one.

CLANTON: Well, you know, I am, because this is a societal problem and it goes back to that old African proverb. It takes a village. And, where

were the adults? How do we have 125 children at night time in a grocery store parking lot?

SCHACHER: Right.

CLANTON: If I was the manager on duty, you would not have had 20 kids outside for no reason before law enforcement was called. Where are the

adults? And, we have to step back in and stop being afraid of our youth. We will not even tell children anymore.

You are out of order. Pull up your pants, stop talking back, go home. We need to take back our communities. We have got to stop just being

lawless and on auto pilot. I say this all the time, Dr. Drew.

CATHERWOOD: Spirit, actually, brings up a very good point. I just said that I do not think that these type of occurrences are happening more

often, but I do think that youth today has greatly eroded their view of --

PINSKY: Their insolence. Their insolence.

CATHERWOOD: -- of their adolescence.

PINSKY: Yes. They are insolent.

CLANTON: Yes. Absolutely.

CATHERWOOD: And, how much they really do appreciate those that are older.

PINSKY: All right. I am running out of time in this segment. I have got the father of one of the victims of this mob. But, I am going to hold

him across the commercial break here. We are going to get to him and keep this panel together. We will be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: I am back Sam, Mike, Judy and Vanessa. And, panel, on the phone, I have Mark Sauser. He is the father of the boy who you saw being

beaten in the video. Mark, first of all, I am so sorry your family is going through this. How is your son doing?

MARK SAUSER, FATHER OF BOY ATTACKED IN VIDEO: He is doing a lot better. He fortunately did not have any serious injuries after the attack.

I can only attribute that to God`s grace that he did not, because when you look at the video, they really were going after him.

PINSKY: What was this? We are trying to make sense of it. What are we looking at?

SAUSER: Well, what I have seen and talking to the police and talking to the mayor, it look like it was a -- the kids had met to see a fight

between a couple of girls. And, when that fight did not happen, they started getting rowdy and then they started descending on Kroger. So, that

is when they started coming through the parking lot running, and they got a hold of my son. They also got a hold of another boy about the same age.

PINSKY: I want to bring the panel in. You, guys, this is what disturbs me. This was a mob that gathered to focus their aggression on the

fight, when the fight -- it is a gladiator fighting. When it did not happen, they spun out into the streets. Judy, any thoughts about that?

HO: Right. They went with an intent, you know? And, this is something that I am really concerned about, because where are the problem

solving skills that should have been taught to these teens?

PINSKY: Rage regulation.

SCHACHER: It seems blood thirsty.

HO: Right.

PINSKY: It is. And, that is what kind of the primitive thing people, humans do. I mean look at primitive societies. They would get together

and they throw somebody in the volcano, where they would sacrifice somebody and that would satisfy their blood lust. The mob would gather around that.

SCHACHER: It is like the coliseums.

CATHERWOOD: I do think it is wrong to compare this to gladiator fighting. In that, gladiators fought with some level of integrity. To

have that many children gather around and gang beat other people in that fashion shows no level of competition, shows no level of conflict

resolution. It is clearly --

PINSKY: It is the Christians going to the lions, OK?

CATHERWOOD: Right.

PINSKY: It is, you know, something more like the crowds gathered to see violence. Vanessa?

BARNETT: I will say two things. One, I heard that this was also part of a game, kind of like the knockout game. It is called pick them out,

knock them out. And, so, I think you have children that have just no morals, that are just running rampant. I also say that, yes, 125 kids were

day, but I truly do not believe 125 were involved.

I think a lot of them were there just for the hype and the hoopla and you have this girl who is taping it, who is laughing, who is saying , "Call

somebody. Call somebody." You have a phone in your hand. Why do not you call somebody? Like they are just not thinking.

SCHACHER: I cannot believe this right now. It is called pick someone out, knock them out? Whatever happened to like heads up, seven up? I

cannot even fathom this. It is frightening.

PINSKY: Well, let me get back to Mark. Mark, so you see, we are really trying to make sense of this and struggling.

SAUSER: Yes. This was -- my son actually thought that this was the knockout game. When he got hit the first time, he thought they were going

to knock him out and leave him alone. What he did not expect was for them to come after him relentlessly. So, when he got up to get away from them,

they pulled him down and that is when the beating started and that is when he lost consciousness.

It was not -- you know, these kids have a lot of rage in them. These are kids that come from dysfunctional families. And, I worked with a lot

of these when I worked for U.T. Memphis. This is what I saw. So, I am not surprised with their reaction. What I was surprised about was the number

and the intensity of the attack.

BARNETT: Right. Mark, I just have a question for you.

SAUSER: Sure.

BARNETT: Do you feel that Kroger holds any responsibility and are you looking to speak with anyone there? Because the security there was just

lax. There was not enough security to handle any situation. I saw maybe one security guard.

SAUSER: Well, you know, come on. What do you expect them to do? To anticipate at mob of about 60 to 100 kids to descend all of them? I am not

sure that is a fair --

PINSKY: Fair enough. Fair enough. Judy, last thoughts here.

HO: Yes. Dr. Drew, I was just going to say, teenagers are dealing with moral development at that age, between the ages of 13 to 18. They

cannot do it alone. Parents and adults need to help them to learn good morals, to learn good emotion regulation skills.

PINSKY: Yes.

SAUSER: I would agree with you 100 percent on that. That is exactly it. You hit the nail on the head.

PINSKY: That is right, Mark. And, they devolved into a mob without that. So, please, we are saying our prayers for your community. I hope

you fight the good fight in there and please send your best to our son. Panel, thank you. It is a disturbing story about mobs. Please DVR us and

you can watch us any time. Forensic Files begins and it is up, next. Begins right now.

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