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ISIS Issues Video of Beheading Another American Journalist; Fighting ISIS Requires International Effort; Bill Richardson Supporting Obama Strategy Towards ISIS; Ka Joog Keeping Youth of Somalian Community in Minnesota Away from Radical Islam; Breach of Cyber Security

Aired September 2, 2014 - 23:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everyone. Arab-Americans face a lot of challenges in this country, even when it comes to high school sports. A California high school has retired its controversial mascot, a caricature of an Arab man, which a lot of Arab-Americans found offensive. There you see it right there. Well, the Coachella Valley School District is keeping its team nickname Arabs, and they have come up with the - what some consider a more benign logo which is awaiting final approval. We're going to have more on this in our next hour.

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

LEMON: Welcome back, everyone. Top of the hour, 11:00 p.m. on the East Coast. This is "CNN Tonight." I'm Don Lemon.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Alisyn Camerota. Tonight the video is devastating, but watching it may give us vital clues that could help track down the ISIS terrorists who appears to have executed American journalist Steven Sotloff.

LEMON: Plus, Ferguson police now wearing body cameras. Is it too little too late? And is the real problem fundraising for the officer who shot Michael Brown?

CAMEROTA: Also, are you buying the new iPhone? Are you planning to?

LEMON: I don't know.

CAMEROTA: You may want to think twice. We'll tell you why.

LEMON: Yes. Yes.

CAMEROTA: But let's begin with the breaking news tonight. The fight against ISIS in the wake of the apparent beheading of American journalist Steven Sotloff. CNN's justice correspondent Pamela Brown joins us with more. Pamela, great to see you. Let's start with the breaking news tonight. More U.S. military personnel we understand are headed to Iraq, 350 more. What do we know about this?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, that's right, Alisyn. We are learning that the U.S. is sending approximately 350 additional military personnel to Baghdad to provide additional security on the ground for the embassy and other diplomatic facilities over there. Now this brings the total number of troops who are providing diplomatic security in Iraq to 820. A statement from the White House notes that the troops will not be serving in a combat role upon arriving, and that the White House was fulfilling a request from the State Department as the country continues to fight ISIS. And also in this statement, the White House says that the request the president approved today will allow some previously deployed military personnel to depart Iraq while at the same time providing a more robust, sustainable security force for our personnel and facilities in Baghdad. Don and Alisyn?

CAMEROTA: We also understand the president was briefed on this new ISIS execution video just before he departed tonight for Estonia. So what is the reaction from the White House?

BROWN: Yeah so, far no official statement from the White House. As you mentioned, President Obama was briefed on the video just before departing for Estonia today. But he didn't answer any questions about it before he left. And a senior administration official tells CNN that the U.S. intelligence community is busy analyzing the video, verifying its authenticity and trying to answer some key questions. When was the video shot? Where was it shot? Who is the executioner? Is it the same person as James Foley's killer? Until those questions are answered, the administration official says it doesn't want to speculate. It's important to note here, though, that the president is expected to appear in a press conference in Estonia, with the leader of Estonia and you can bet that he will be asked about the video at that press conference. But there is no word yet on whether or not he will comment on it.

Don and Alisyn.

LEMON: All right. Pamela Brown, thank you very much. And Alisyn, you know that president will be landing here 11:30 Eastern, just about - about 27 minutes he is scheduled to land in Estonia 11:30 Eastern Time. Of course, as he lands, you saw the live shot of the airport. We'll bring it to you here on CNN. You know, as Pamela just said, the country's intelligence community working feverishly to confirm the authenticity of that video. And in the meantime, it may be loaded with clues. CNN's Tom Foreman has that for us.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Don, hey, Alisyn. If you look at these two videos of the Sotloff killing over here and the fully execution over here, you see a lot of things that are similar in the big picture. Similar terrain, similar weather, similar time of day. But there are also a lot of details that look-alike. For example, each of these men is forced to wear orange here. This is something ISIS does to evoke thoughts of Guantanamo Bay where prisoners are held there in orange. Each time the man standing over them is wearing black with only his eyes being shown, he has a gun. He also has a knife, medium-sized in his left hand. Looks like the same knife, but you can't really tell. Beyond, that roughly the same height, the same build. Is it the same guy? Well, that's where people listen very carefully to his voice. Listen to how it sounded on the video released today.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You, Obama, have yet again for your actions convicted another American citizen, so just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.

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FOREMAN: Now compare that to the voice in the murder of James Foley.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any attempt by you, Obama, to deny the Muslims - their rights of living in safety under the Islamic caliphate will result in the bloodshed of your people.

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FOREMAN: Intelligence analysts say if it is not the same voice, at the very least the accent in both cases sounds as if it comes from the London area that suggests a possible link to dozens of radicals believed to have traveled from there to join the fight against the Syrian government.

People who are thought to be handling foreigners captured by ISIS.

PAUL GINSBERG, FORENSIC AUDIO/VIDEO EXPERT: The intelligence community will go through every inch of this, every second, analyzing the electronic impulses, the audio, the video, the speech, voice identification, the geography, for whatever information it can provide. As well as the production techniques and any embedded information that may be there.

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FOREMAN: In each of these videos, the victims were forced or seemed to be forced to recite these condemnation of U.S. policy. And just as in this video, there is a threat at the end to execute Sotloff in the future. At the end of this video, there is a threat to execute another prisoner at some time in the future. Don, Alisyn?

LEMON: Thank you. A whole lot of questions. Did it happen at the same time as James Foley? You know, it seems that - a lot of questions that we have. And joining us now to talk about that is Major General James Spider Marks, and also former CIA operative Bob Baer and former Jihadist Mubin Shaikh and also CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank. Bob, I have to ask you straight off, when you look at this video, is it the same guy? Has this been dubbed over? How do we know?

BOB BAER, FORMER CIA OPERATIVE: They'll be able to tell by voice analysis, and in the video images there is going to be metadata embedded, which - tell a lot. They can tell a temperature it was shot at. They can look at the terrain, compare it with overhead, you know, turning infrared on this. There is a lot of things they can do with it. But the problem is these guys are so deep in Syria that ever getting to them is going to be very difficult.

CAMEROTA: Spider, you know, you just heard Bob say that they can look at the terrain and maybe that would give them a clue. But doesn't it just look like a nondescript desert? It could be anywhere. How will analysts figure out the location of this?

MAJ. GEN. JAMES "SPIDER" MARKS (RET.): Well, they'll be able to probably get some GPS data as well. The real issue is once we know -- let's assume we can figure all that out, as Bob has suggested, and frankly, we can get awfully close. The question then becomes what do you do with this intelligence. How are we going to act against it? And truly, that's is the discussion that we've been having for weeks. Do we persistently go after ISIS in Iraq and avoid going after them in Syria, or do we just open the gates and just have a very, very aggressive campaign to strike them where they are and just punish them?

LEMON: Paul, in your experience, do you think that these videos were shot at the same time? Because it appears that, you know, every ten days at least in the succession now from these two men, it's every ten days that they're beheading someone and they are releasing videos. Do you think that they were all shot at the same time?

PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: I don't think so. I think one video was shot a couple of weeks ago and one video was shot very, very recently. Don.

CAMEROTA: Mubin, you are back with us, and you have shared some of your personal experience. You for a time were an extremist and a jihadi. And I just want to ask you, how is it possible that videos like this serve to recruit people? Because you and have I talked before about how there are lost boys here in America who are looking for a sense of community and belonging. But how do they make that leap to the brutality of something like this?

MUBIN SHAIKH, FORMER JIHADIST: If you look at it as gangs, street gangs, a lot of people when they're recruited into street gangs, violence as a means of entering the group and meeting and finding socialization in the group, finding acceptance is a common factor. You'll notice in the gang context, you got to go and beat somebody up, maybe stab them up, shoot them, kill them. In this since, it's very similar. They do behave like gangs. If you see the way that they talk, the way that they move and act, they have gangster jihad now, you have thug Jihadis. This is all part of the same, same mentality.

LEMON: General Marks, we have to ask ourselves a question in this country. How do we fight against an enemy that appears to have no scruples, it has no morals and they don't really have the same values as we do. What do you do to combat that?

MARKS: Well, there are multiple means to try to get after them. And we can certainly take all the elements of power and apply them very aggressively. But at the end of the day, there has to be a military solution. But we also have to know what right looks like, what the horizon looks like in terms of what is too much or how do we know when we've killed enough of these guys that there aren't 6,000 or 600,000 more available to fall in behind them. So there has to be a persistent message. But really what happens is you have to work a problem like this from the inside out. The regular Islamic family, the individuals have to be able to say enough. That takes time. That takes a persistent effort on their part to eventually say, look, this level of brutality goes beyond anything that we can tolerate, and there has to be an internal mechanism that says we're going to try to stop this. That has to require a lot of patience on our part. But we can provide pressure from the outside in, and hopefully generate enough to give those individuals that want to resist a sense that there might be a future that exists for them.

CAMEROTA: Paul, you're nodding. Is that the answer? I mean if they're craving community, how do we intercept them?

CRUICKSHANK: I think when people in Iraq and Syria are more angry with this group than they are afraid, that's when you're going to really see some breakthroughs against them. We saw that in 2006 and 2007 in Anbar province in Iraq when the Sunni tribes there rose up against this very, very same group ISIS in Iraq back at that time. So it's possible that could happen again in the future. But right now people are absolutely terrorized by this group. But I think over time, their angler will grow as this group brutalizes the local population.

LEMON: Bob, why aren't we hearing more? We heard from David Cameron today, the British prime minister. But we aren't hearing from many U.S. allies. Why is that?

BAER: Well, the problem is we don't really have a policy in Iraq, you know. With this government in Baghdad is bankrupt. It's the Sunnis will not accept it. And General Marks and as Paul said, you have to get the Sunnis, and that's the sect that ISIS belongs to to turn against them. And right now I've been in touch with a lot of the tribes in Anbar province. They want to come out. They want to come to the United States. They want support. They want a consensus, and they will turn against this group, which they call DAESH. And there - we need another awakening, as Paul said. We have to move fast, and we have to ignore, frankly, the new prime minister who is -- he's got a bad record with Iran and his sectarian Shia party. And we have to have a coherent policy in Iraq. And when that comes along, then we can get a lot of people, including the Gulf, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arab countries behind us. We do need a consensus, because we do not want to put our military through another war in Iraq or Syria. They did -- they won that war, but they are not peacemakers. They fight wars. And we have to get serious about this.

LEMON: I want to follow up on that with General Marks. Because as we wait for the president to land in Estonia tonight, possibly make the first comments that he has made about this video in ISIS, of ISIS beheading this journalist. What other military options does the president have to battle this group at this point? SHAIKH: I think what he needs to do is be much more aggressive with the airstrikes that are in place right now, and extend those to very known precise targets in Syria. In other words, just do it. Go after those very, very aggressively. And let's go back to 1999, operation Allied Force. In the former republic of Yugoslavia that resulted in Milosevic's downfall. That was persistent over the course of 90-plus days. There was no letup, both civil and military targets. And it was oppressive, and it worked. But we also had ground forces and the ability to follow up as necessary. And when Milosevic raised his hand and said no more, we entered Kosovo and we established our presence to provide some peace in the region. We have to be able to commit to making this work. The problem is, but that is simply a tactical solution right now, Don. And beyond that, what does the end state look like? That has to be established by a strategy and this administration has yet to do that.

LEMON: All right, gentlemen. Thank you very much.

CAMEROTA: Thank you so much. Great to get all of your insights. Fascinating. They're all on the same page. That community. It has to start at home. And it has to start in schools, it has to start in the mosques, and there is a way to fight it.

LEMON: I want to see if the president can comment when he gets off that plane.

CAMEROTA: When we come back, could President Obama have done anything to save Steven Sotloff? We will ask a man who knows a lot about how this country negotiates. Former ambassador to the U.N. Bill Richardson will be with us.

Plus, Apple is a week away from releasing its latest iPhone. But how safe is the stuff? Are we all safe on our phones? Should you think twice about taking all those selfies, Don?

LEMON: It looks like it. Considering what happened to - yeah.

CAMEROTA: We'll talk all about that.

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DANIELLE BERRIN, SENIOR WRITER, L.A. JEWISH JOURNAL: Steven was my hero. He was traveling to the most dangerous, troubled places on the planet so that he could report back stories of human suffering. He was someone who could not ignore pain and injustice. He felt responsible. And he had to respond.

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CAMEROTA: That was Steven Sotloff's childhood friend Danielle Berrin talking to us in our last hour. President Obama's under tremendous pressure tonight to do some things to stop ISIS. So, what are his best options? Joining us now is a man who negotiated with some of America's toughest adversaries, Bill Richardson, former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. governor, thanks for being here.

BILL RICHARDSON, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: Thank you, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: I read that you think that President Obama is right to take his time to develop a coalition to fight ISIS. But what is taking so long, governor? Every country in the world has some sort of vested interest in stopping ISIS. Why is it taking so long to develop this coalition?

RICHARDSON: Well, because you have to develop a military strategy, a diplomatic strategy, a sanction strategy. Now, a year ago, I supported the president when he said he wanted to have those airstrikes on Syria. He chose not to do that. But I think at this time, him being very conscious of the threat, but the importance right now of having a coalition. Now the good news is that a lot of countries, a lot of groups hate ISIS. I mean, it's Iraq, it's Iran, it's Hezbollah. A lot of bad guys don't like them. That's good. Because you can build a coalition. But most importantly, I think when you look at the military option, what also needs to happen is our European allies, the German, the French, they have to participate in these air strikes. We've got to get these Arab rich people that fund ISIS to stop doing it. So it's not just easy air strikes that are going to make the difference.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

RICHARDSON: It's got to be a comprehensive strike.

CAMEROTA: But governor, there is - there are reports that the president has been briefed on ISIS for months. There is one report that he has known about ISIS for a year. So as you know, critics are saying that there is just too much deliberating going on. It's time to come up with a coherent strategy and act on it.

LEMON: And governor, you yourself just telling me - you yourself just said that you supported strikes in Syria a year ago. And if so, the president has had a year to come up with a strategy, not just weeks since the beheading of James Foley. He has had a year to do it.

RICHARDSON: Well, I think what is important is that this is a time when -- this is, as I've said, this is a 9/11 moment. This is a time when we need to stop doing all of this politicking, should he have done it, shouldn't he have done it. This is a time when the American people and the Congress, I think he should go to Congress with a strategy, a coalition strategy. He should go to our allies. He should go to Arab countries. And find a way to build consensus. I mean, this beheading, I'm so heart sick over it, because this is Americans that are being beheaded. And those bad guys are challenging us. And we have to respond. So what we need is stop the politics. Find a way to build consensus on a bipartisan policy. Bring the Congress in. Bring the Congress in on the decision.

CAMEROTA: Governor, as you're speaking, the president is landing in Estonia. Obviously, he is there in preparation for the NATO summit. Is this what he'll be talking about at the NATO summit? Or are all of these different crises around the globe from Ukraine, Russia, the Middle East, what will be top on his list? RICHARDSON: Well, top on his list will be the ISIS issue. But also I

think he has to send a message in the NATO summit, number one, that we're going to stand behind those countries, Poland, the Baltic states that are potentially being threatened by Russia. Secondly, I hope he gets the French to cancel that helicopter sale to the Russians. And then a tightening of the economic sanctions. I think that Russia has to pay a price. And we can go beyond the sanctions that have already been put forth. But most importantly, I think what we need is Europe on this fight against ISIS. Bombings, not just the United States, not just targeted strikes by the United States. But find ways to have economic sanctions on those that are supporting these terrorists that are beheading our people.

LEMON: And governor, again, I want to tell our viewers, we're looking at Air Force One that just landed at the airport in Tallinn, Estonia. The president will be deplaning soon. And the question is he has not spoken out about the beheading of the American journalist by ISIS. And the question is, is he going to do it once he gets off that plane or as soon as he is in the position to do it. What would you like to hear from the president?

RICHARDSON: Well, I want him to be very conscious of the families. I mean, this is a humanitarian issue. These are American journalists. I think that journalist - profession deserves a lot of credit. You know, they're heroes for going into places like Syria and these war- torn countries. And so, yeah, I want to see a strategy, a military diplomatic strategy. But whether he does it getting off the plane or soon, I want to see him empathize with those families and with the American people. But I think what this is also going to do, this beheading, it's going to backfire on these terrorists. It's going to bring the American people to realization that this is a threat. And that once again, after 9/11, we are being threatened again, and we are being challenged. So it's important that we come together. Stop this bickering, these fights and Republicans and Democrats and come up with a coherent strategy. So I think this is a real moment where the president can show that leadership, that in many other case, I believe he has shown. And he has been patient here to build this coalition. And I think eventually, it's going to show into a comprehensive strategy that is not just America, but it's Europe, it's many others, and bringing the American people to support what we're going to need to do.

CAMEROTA: OK, former ambassador Bill Richardson, thanks so much for your time tonight.

LEMON: And again, you're looking at Air Force One now. It has just arrived in Tallinn, Estonia, at the airport there, the president meeting with Baltic leaders today. It's a big speech planned and before heading to Wales, site of a two-day NATO summit. The plane was supposed to land at 11:25. This is about two minutes early. But that's close enough, right?

CAMEROTA: Not bad.

LEMON: And we should expect the president to get off the plane in just a little bit. But it's going to take some time. We'll bring it to you live as soon as it happens. They have got to roll the stairs up. And, of course, everyone on board has to get ready to get off that plane. When we come right back, we're going to keep an eye on that. The middle American target by ISIS recruiters. Why young men in this country are at risk and what can we do about it.

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LEMON: Welcome back, everyone. The breaking news, of course, the president just landing now in Estonia. He is meeting with Baltic leaders, and then he is heading off to Wales. He has got a two-day summit there. Then he is going to meet with leaders as well. The president has not spoken out about the beheading, the ISIS beheading of an American journalist, and people are wondering when he holds his press conference today, is he going to speak about it. But the president should get off the plane in just moments. And as soon as that happens, of course, we'll bring it to you right here on CNN.

So, let's talk about the issue at hand now. A town in America's heartland has shockingly become, Alisyn, a breeding ground for ISIS. But what is it that puts young men in Minneapolis at risk for recruitment? CNN's Chris Welch has more now.

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MOHAMED FARAH, CO-FOUNDER OF KA JOOG: Can you guys hear me?

UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: Yes!

FARAH: Please stay in your groups.

CHRIS WELCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Mohamed Farah has a job ahead of him.

FARAH: Guys, guys, let's keep moving.

WELCH: And it's bigger than simply getting this group of a couple dozen young Somali Americans through the crowds at the Minnesota state fair.

FARAH: We wanted to make some changes, take ownership of the community.

WELCH: That's because in recent years, this community has become a target for radicals.

FARAH: 2007, 2008 was sort of a low point for the community.

WELCH: The FBI says close to two dozen young Somali men here in the Twin Cities disappeared. They had been recruited, radicalized, and ready to fight with al Shabaab, the al Qaeda-linked terrorist group in Somalia. But now a new threat, ISIS. Within the past week, two Americans were found dead in Syria. Both fighting with the ISIS terror group and both from Minnesota. One of these men, Abdirahman Mohamed (ph), a member of the local Somali community.

FARAH: ISIS was a shocking to all of us. It was a sort of - to my face, to our, to the faces of the community members, because it shows us that we're not doing enough.

WELCH: A particular blow to Farah, because ever since the very first young man vanished seven years ago, he has worked to create afterschool programs to keep them away from drugs, gang violence, and yes, radicalization. The group's name Ka Joog, in Somali means to stay away.

FARAH: What we're doing is play a preventative role. Rather than an active role.

WELCH: He says he is creating the next crop of this country's leaders. And at the state fair, they're here to observe 4-h. Next year they'll compete.

IDIRIS YUSUF, 14 YEARS OLD: I hope it helps me academically, mentally, and stuff like that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We talk about like how we can make like the place around us better.

UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: That's what makes us ...

WELCH: For their mothers, many of them born in Somalia and single parents who work, it's already difficult. On top of that, they're now guarding their children from terrorist recruiters. Ka Joog relieves some of their fears.

SAFIA MOHAMED, MOTHER: Ka Joog really helps with my 16-year-old, guide him to the right from issues to give them to be in a stay away from troubles, crimes and all these things that we see on TV. And that could be my son. It could be like, you know, one of American child.

WELCH: Many of their kids they say don't completely understand what has been happening, but that's all right, they say. At their ages, kids should be kids.

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CAMEROTA: Chris Welch, thank you so much, fascinating to see him talk to their moms. Many of whom are single moms. They're working. They don't have time to monitor all their sons' activities. So, perhaps that is the beginning of figuring out the solution.

LEMON: Yeah, and the pictures you're looking at now, the President Barack Obama arriving in Estonia. Air Force One landing just a short time ago. Of course, the president has deplaned. He is sitting in the car. Now it's believed, we didn't see the picture's close up, that he is with the president of Estonia. I know that they have a meeting earlier, and then the president is going to hold a press conference today, meeting with the Baltic leaders. And then heading out to Wales for the site of a two-day NATO summit. But there is President Barack Obama. And no doubt in his questioning, Alisyn, he is going to be asked about that ISIS video. And the question is how is he going to respond, what is he going to say finally when he does speak on it. CAMEROTA: He promised swift justice after James Foley's beheading.

We will see what that means. And if the president ex-pounds on that. It's only 6:30 in the morning there. So we may be waiting awhile for the press conference.

LEMON: Yeah, I think it's scheduled for it's 6:00 in the morning. I think the press conference is scheduled for three, maybe this afternoon. Let me get my ducks in a row I'm just looking at the guidance. This is supposed to land at 11:25. The plane actually did land at 11:25. 3:20 a.m., that's on Wednesday, though, 3.20 - he arrives in -- at Kadriorg Palace, he signs the guest book. He meets with the President Toomas Hendrik of Estonia. So, that's overnight. I mean it's 11:20 I would imagine eastern time that we're talking about excuse me, 3:20 Eastern Time that we're talking about and then 4:50 a.m., he's going to - the president will hold a press conference at Bank of Estonia and expected to have open statements from each leader, two questions from each nation's press core. And both men will speak English, obviously. And we'll carry that for your live right here on CNN.

CAMEROTA: OK, when we come back, do you give up your privacy when you use your phone? Why it's not just celebrities having their personal information stolen. That's next.

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CAMEROTA: Welcome back. You've probably heard that nude photos of celebrities like Academy Award winner Jennifer Lawrence and super model Kate Upton have been leaked by hackers. We're going to tell you why this is not just Hollywood news. Jean Casarez has more.

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JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Why should you care about Jennifer Lawrence's racy photo goings public? Because the same type of thing could happen to you.

TYLER COHEN WOOD, SOCIAL MEDIA EXPERT: People really have to take their privacy seriously and they have to understand what these tools are capable of doing.

CASAREZ: Tyler Cohen Wood is a social media author and a senior officer with the Department of Defense. She says your personal and financial information and digital storage clouds may be vulnerable. And even snapshots of regular people leading their lives can hold data valuable to criminals.

COHEN WOOD: So it's called Exif data. And all modern cameras take photographs with this Exif data by default. It contains the exact geographic location of where that photograph was taken.

CASAREZ: In the movie "Sex Tape" starring Cameron Diaz, this regular couple panics over one of their personal videos now in the cloud.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you forget to erase your sex tape?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It kept slipping my mind and then the next thing I knew it went up to the cloud.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you can't get it down from the cloud?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody understands the cloud. It's a mystery.

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CASAREZ: Why would anyone want to hack into the cloud? The motivation ranges from making a profit to humiliation.

COHEN WOOD: We live in this world now where our reputation is so important. And it's very easy for someone to destroy that reputation in a second. So we really have to go that added mile and protect ourselves.

CASAREZ: Apple's iCloud was where these latest photos were stored. And while the FBI continues its investigation, Apple says in a statement "Celebrity accounts were compromised by a very targeted attack on user names, passwords, and security questions, and that none of the cases we have investigated has resulted from any breach in any of Apple's systems."

(on camera): So on a scale of one to ten, I can feel mostly confident about the cloud?

BRETT LARSON, CNN TECHNOLOGY ANALYST: Yes, you can. Because the security hole has been patched.

CASAREZ: They steal things, it's imaginary. Without this cloud, I can't do the cloud.

LARSON: It's really a server farm in North Carolina.

LAUGHTER

LARSON: But we like to call it the cloud.

CASAREZ: But wherever the cloud is and whoever is responsible, we keep putting more and more information into our devices. And it may be time to rethink our personal digital strategy.

How about this? How about not put so much data on the computers?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just be a little bit more aware and more cognizant of the threats that are out there and the little things that you can do to protect yourself and your family.

LARSON: And that may start in rethinking that selfie. Jean Casarez, CNN, New York.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what is in the cloud? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is the cloud?

Gosh. Joining us now, Ben Ferguson, a CNN political commentator and host of "The Ben Ferguson show." Mel Robbins, CNN commentator and legal analyst and Marc Lamont Hill, CNN political commentator.

CAMEROTA: Now, I want to start with you. Because so many people have said look, if these celebrities don't want their naked photos to get out that then they shouldn't take naked photos.

But this is much bigger than naked photos of celebrities. It's about all of our personal photos, photos of our kids, photos that even we have long deleted somehow being able to be in the public space. And it's dangerous.

MEL ROBBINS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You know, Alisyn, first of all, I want to thank you for saying that you're not going to me because you think I have nude photos on the iCloud.

LAUGHTER

ROBBINS: Let's go - right now.

LEMON: I wanted to say how much trouble are you in now.

LAUGHTER

ROBBINS: A ton. Seriously, but the real problem here is that we keep talking about don't take photos, or don't put stuff on your iPhone that could be compromised. But the truth is this is a crime. Think about it more like these photos are property that belong to these celebrities, and just like you put personal property in a safety deposit box, or you put personal property into a storage locker offsite, or a safe somewhere other than your home, somebody has gone inside a storage facility and stolen stuff for their personal use and they need to be prosecuted.

LEMON: OK, Mel, I know what you are saying. Listen, I understand what you're saying. But this isn't a vault where only - you know, one person has a key. It's electronic. Anybody can get it. You have to have common sense with it, no, Marc?

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENATTOR: That's exactly right. It's not really akin to a vault or a safety deposit box. It's more like leaving it on your porch and hoping that people, you know, make a good-faith effort not to steal from you. People can get in the cloud easily. People can hack stuff easily. I'm not blaming the victim here. Again, no one should do this. This is in fact a crime. But people do it all the time. You have to know whenever you take a picture, whether it's naked or not, whether it's your family or not, whether it's your friends or not, whether you put personal information, personal writing, whatever on your phone, the whole world can access. The same way it got in, it can go out. So be very careful.

BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: That doesn't make it OK. ROBBINS: Yes, and also.

FERGUSON: It's not leaving it on your front porch. It's not throwing it away. You have a password. You have a password.

LAMONT HILL: Your password is like 1, 2, 3, 4.

FERGUSON: Take this. Mine is 4, 3,2, 1. I made it a little difficult.

LAMONT HILL: Exactly.

FERGUSON: If we really want to take this seriously, if somebody steals pictures of somebody and they're naked, should they be charged when they still ...

ROBBINS: Naked?

LAMONT HILL: Naked.

FERGUSON: When they out on Internet, naked, I mean ...

LEMON: The Texas is coming out. That.

Country coming out. CAMEROTA: And then what's the answer to that? Do you think they

should be charged?

FERGUSON: I think they should be charged. I think they should be charged with sex crime. Because they have crossed a line. This isn't stealing a family portrait, OK, this isn't like ...

LAMONT HILL: A sex crime?

FERGUSON: This isn't like trademark infringement. This is taking intimate, personal photographs ...

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FERGUSON: And destroying somebody's life. That should be a sex crime.

LEMON: You're taking pictures that are deemed pretty much private and you're putting them online for the world to see.

LAMONT HILL: Oh, the public part. Yes, I agree, yes, I agree.

LEMON: Absolutely.

CAMEROTA: So Mel, is that possible? I mean the cloud is-so amorphous. How do you know who took something off the cloud?

ROBBINS: You know, I actually think they'll find this person that did this. And honestly, there is another really interesting legal angle. How much do you think "Playboy" would have paid Jennifer Lawrence to pose nude? FERGUSON: Absolutely.

ROBBINS: So there is actually a lost business opportunity here that yes, exactly, of losing money. And so, there is a lot of really important legal issues. And let's also keep in mind the Supreme Court recently said that the police can't search your cell phone. Why? It's not because putting something on your cell phone is akin to putting it on your front porch, which means they would be able to search it because it's in a public space. It's because there is an expectation of privacy as to what's on your phone.

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LEMON: OK, maybe it's like putting it in the backyard with a six-foot high fence.

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LAMONT HILL: Mel, I wasn't making a legal distinction. I was using the porch as a metaphor for how easy it is to steal the information for hacker. That's all ...

ROBBINS: Right. Got it.

CAMEROTA: Hold on, guys.

FERGUSON: You are dealing with issue of total humiliation for somebody.

ROBBINS: Absolutely. It can be humiliation.

LEMON: They just keep talking. So we'll let them talk ...

CAMEROTA: We'll go to a commercial break while they are talking.

LEMON: And they'll be talking when we come back.

CAMEROTA: All right. So, when we come back, fundraising for officer Darren Wilson of the Ferguson police department is skyrocketing, and a lot of people think that that's a problem. We'll debate all that, next.

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CAMEROTA: More than $400,000 have been raised online for officer Darren Wilson, the Ferguson Missouri police officer who shot Michael Brown. But it's not exactly clear where the money is coming from. We're back now with Ben Ferguson, Mel Robbins and Marc Lamont Hill.

LEMON: So, the question is, Mel, over the weekend two crowd sourcing funds raising money for Darren Wilson, the police officer who shot and killed Michael Brown were mysteriously shut down, but not before more than as Alisyn said $430,000 was collected. Are you surprised first that the organizers were able to raise that much money for the officer? ROBBINS: You know, Don, I'm not surprised that the officer - excuse

me, the organizations were able to raise that kind of money. And I'm also not surprised that there has been some scandal around it. And the reason why is this. These are two go fund me fundraising sites that have been put up, presumably for people to support Darren Wilson's defense. Well, he is a police officer who is part of a union. And so he is -police union is going to be paying for his defense. So I'm not even sure if legally if you're making a donation, you can be contributing to his defense at all, Don.

LEMON: And that's the whole question is. I think initially, they were concerned about who exactly was in charge of the money, who was going to distribute it and where it was going to go. But Ben, go fund me tells the L.A. Times that they didn't shut it down. It was - it's a mystery at this point as to what is going on. But it raises questions about who is giving and who is getting the money. Should we be more concerned about that?

FERGUSON: Sure, absolutely. Any time you see a tragedy happen, we see people that are opportunists. I mean at this point we really don't know who is in charge of that cash. And we're talking about a significant amount of money. Six figures here. I don't blame anybody that wants to go help a police officer out. I don't blame anybody that wants to do whatever they want to do with their own money on either side to help anybody involved in these cases. But you got to make sure you know who is in charge of it. And sometimes it's so easy to see something and get emotionally involved and go put it in your credit card information and give money, and you just don't know where that money is going or the accountability behind it. And it's a concern.

CAMEROTA: All right, Marc, we want to talk about another story now. This one involving Ceelo Green and some things that he tweeted which were frankly SNI. He is well-known for his role as a judge on "The Voice," and he is in trouble now for these comments on Twitter, because days after he pleaded no contest to spiking a woman's drink with ecstasy at a party without her knowing it, he tweeted this. "Women who have really been raped, remember" meaning that she claims that something happened after he slipped her this drug and that he disputes her story. He then just a short time ago, he put this out. And Don and I have it here. He has recanted. He says I truly and deeply apologize for the comments attributed to me on Twitter, which of course he wrote.

LAMONT HILL: Too late.

CAMEROTA: Those comments were idiotic, untrue and not what I believe. That would have been better.

LEMON: Yeah.

CAMEROTA: That would have been - taking responsibility. So what is going on with celebrities and Twitter? They need to just, you know, pipe down and not say things that are SNI.

LAMONT HILL: Look, we - I've been there, trust me. I mean sometimes ...

LEMON: But not to this extent, Marc. You evolved, but, you know. No rape comment.

LAMONT HILL: Never.

Let me say two things. First, what the initial tweets were reprehensible. They're indefensible. They're disgusting. They're disturbing. Sexual assault is sexual assault. If someone does not consent, it is sexual assault. It is rape there is no defense, there's now excusing it. Let me say that first. My second point is Ceelo Green clearly wrote - in my opinion, wrote what he thought. And his publicity team apparently thought better of what he wrote and had him write the second thing. That for me is disturbing. When I say I've been there before, what I mean is that all of us have gotten into Twitter wars and Twitter battles and thought we could tweet our way out of something we wish we hadn't said. Sometimes people make a mistake and say what they didn't mean. This time it sounds like he made a mistake and tweeted, what he actually thought and people got a window into how awful a thought he had.

LEMON: You notice now, Marc, that I've just - I leave him in the dark. I don't say anything anymore. Are you surprised by that?

LAMONT HILL: I am shocked actually. I'm trying to learn from you.

LEMON: You ask me for advice when I say just leave him in the dark. Shut up. Don't say anything.

LAMONT HILL: You're right.

LEMON: Tomorrow it will be something else.

ROBBINS: But ...

FERGUSON: You can always use the Ron Burgundy line. Whenever he says he (INAUDIBLE), stay classy, my friend.

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FERGUSON: Just go with that one. You get more on this.

LEMON: No, my favorite response to everything, including tweets and emails is, everybody calm down, and that's it.

FERGUSON: What is - I mean Seelo Green, I actually liked him on the show. What a scumbag to write this?

LEMON: Yes.

FERGUSON: And I think that's maybe an mile ....

LEMON: Are you going to watch, John?

CAMEROTA: Hold on, not only write this, I mean do this. No, you know, he pleaded no contest to this crime. But what is implied is that he did something, you know, truly despicable.

FERGUSON: And not only that, you got to wonder if it's happened before.

ROBBINS: For a number of years in New York City, and no contest is a gift. Because what it basically means is that your client is fricking guilty, but they're not going to have to admit to the facts of the case. And typically, you plead no contest when you don't want to go to trial. He was given -- I mean, he basically is guilty of what happened. And this is what bothers me so much. If you render a woman unconscious because you beat her or because you drug her, it's still rape. And so for him to be dismissing things on Twitter like this is absolutely abhorrent. And I 100 percent agree with Marc.

LEMON: OK. I agree.

ROBBINS: That this is something believed and it slipped out.

LEMON: Yes, of course, I agree with you. If you render anyone unconscious, you take advantage of any man or woman, it's despicable. And by the way, he's given his three years' probation, 360 hours of community service.

FERGUSON: What an amazing deal for him.

ROBBINS: Obviously for something.

FERGUSON: Person wouldn't get that.

LEMON: This is an important story. But I want to move on and talk about this other story. And this is Coachella Valley High School in California decided to revamp its image of its football mascot. They call the mascot Arab. I want you to take a look at this image. This is the original image.

CAMEROTA: What could be offensive?

LEMON: Yeah, they are not changing - what's offensive about that?

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CAMEROTA: What is so offensive about this cartoonish caricature?

LEMON: And so this one they think is a little less offensive. They changed it to this one, which is a younger version of and there we go. So hmm. Anybody take issue with that?

LAMONT HILL: Yes! Why can't we just not have people as mascots, right?? Why can't we have, I don't know, animals as mascots? Or objects as mascots? Let's not have Arabs as mascots or anybody else, then we won't have this problem.

CAMEROTA: There you go. That's a novel approach. Have an animal as a mascot. That is great.

LEMON: Are we going to break? (CROSSTALK)

LEMON: My alma mater is now the black bear that tells you something.

CAMEROTA: Guys. Thanks so much for joining us.

LEMON: Is it your show? Are we done?

CAMEROTA: I know you want more. You want two more hours, don't you?

LEMON: 12 straight up. But I guess we're going home.

CAMEROTA: No, I know it's sad.

LEMON: As it says there on the teleprompter and the producer is saying read that is it for us tonight. We'll be back here tomorrow.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much for joining us. Now John Vause and Rosemary Church are live with CNNi.