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DR. DREW

Missing Girl Mystery

Aired June 17, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the mystery of a bipolar missing teen, vanished without her medication. Is she with a

registered sex offender?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He does not have any restrictions other than, he cannot live within a thousand feet of a school.

PINSKY: Her parents fearing the worse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re terrified and we just want our baby daughter to come home.

PINSKY: Then, a horrific crime, stopped before it could even happen, all thanks to participants in an online chat.

Plus, a woman victimized by a rapist gets no sympathy from an emergency dispatcher.

DISPATCHER: Ma`am, you`re going to have to quit crying so I can get the information from you.

PINSKY: Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening.

Samantha Schacher is my co-host.

And coming up, a disturbing story. A man goes online, looking for help to carry out a gruesome rape/murder plot.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Yes, and what follows is an amazing story, dr. Drew, on how police used social media to catch him.

PINSKY: Fantastic. But first, I want to get right to the story you`ve been tweeting about most today. It`s a 16-year-old girl, disappears

from her bedroom. Police believe she may have run off with a 41-year-old convicted sex offender.

The girl has bipolar disorder, used to be called manic depression, when they go between extreme depression and extreme elevated moods called

manias where they get wild and agitated. She is without her medication. As we go to air tonight, there`s a desperate search underway for this teen.

And the family is asking for your help.

Have a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terrified, and we just want our baby daughter to come home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lyon`s family believes she may be with this guy, 41-year-old Steven Myers. He`s a registered sex offender. He was

convicted of aggravated child molestation in Georgia back in 1998.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cell phone records show Ashley had been texting and calling 41-year-old Steven Myers. Since disappearing, neither Ashley

or Myers have returned calls. There`s rumors the two could be headed for Georgia or Texas.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It angers me that someone feels that they can just take my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The family says she`s been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and she does not have her medication.

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PINSKY: Joining us, Anahita Sedaghatfar, criminal defense attorney, Segun Oduolowu, social commentator, host of the "Wired In with Segun"

podcast, and Michelle Fields, correspondent for PJ Media.

Sam, what do we know about this guy?

SCHACHER: So, Steven Myers, 41 years old. He served 15 years in prison for molesting a child. Now, he was released just two years ago, Dr.

Drew. He has two teenage sons. His ex-wife and two sons live down the street from Ashley, and that`s actually how he met her, six months ago,

when he was visiting his son.

PINSKY: And, Segun, these poor parents just believe this was the father of one of the girl`s friends, that she was sort of hanging out with,

I guess? Of course, they assumed she was hanging out with the peer, the kid her age.

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, but, Dr. Drew, she was busted in the backseat, supposedly going to buy marijuana with the alleged

-- with the convicted sex offender and his teenage son.

PINSKY: Right.

ODUOLOWU: And when she was brought home by the police, her parents reprimanded her and said that she could no longer hang out with them. But

if you ever want to scare yourself, just go online and look at how many registered sex offenders live in our neighborhoods. It`s a very easy thing

to do online.

I rarely ever like blame the parents, but this really could have been avoided. I mean, as soon as you see your teenage daughter in the backseat

of a car buying marijuana with his grown son illegally and the cops bring your daughter back, you`ve got to do more than just say, I don`t want you

talking with them anymore. Stronger steps should have been taken.

PINSKY: Well, they may have taken -- Segun, I`m going to speak to the dad. I`m going to talk to him in a few minutes. So, we`ll find out what

they had one.

ODUOLOWU: OK.

PINSKY: Michelle, there`s evidence that the parents came upon after the fact that the two, meaning the bipolar girl and the sex offender dad

had exchanged 2,000 texts in the three days leading up to the girl`s disappearance. What do you make of it?

MICHELLE FIELDS, PJ MEDIA: Look, I think this is one of those stories that we constantly hear, where the parents have basically checked out --

PINSKY: No, no, I disagree. Michelle, I don`t think that`s true. I don`t think that`s true.

(CROSSTALK)

FIELDS: No, no, no. It is! If you see your daughter hanging around a creepy old guy, the first thing you should do is look up who is this

person? Why does this person want to hang out with all the kids in the neighborhood?

They said that he`d always be out and about skateboarding with kids in the neighborhood. That is weird. And if you know that she`s hanging

around this person, you see her texting nonstop, look at her phone, figure out who is she talking to on the phone so much.

Why is she hanging out with this guy? I think they`re partially to blame for this.

SCHACHER: OK, I completely disagree and I have to interrupt. These parents -- they did ban her from seeing this guy. And when they were

exchanging these text messages, they did search her fun, but she changed out the name to make it look like she was --

FIELDS: A little too late.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Don`t worry, Sam, don`t worry, I`m going to give the dad -- even though Michelle probably won`t be on the screen with the dad, I`m

going to give dad a chance to respond to Michelle. We love talking to Michelle when she`s not there to defend herself.

Hang in a second, Segun. I`ve never heard from Anahita yet. You were nodding when Segun went on about having sex offenders in the neighborhood.

These are the guys that you defend.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: I do defend them, Dr. Drew, but if you heard in their little preamble that you showed, that a condition of his

release was not that he couldn`t be around kids, he only couldn`t live, within a thousand feet from schools or churches or playgrounds. So, that

was a little bit interesting.

But I don`t even think that would have made a difference, Dr. Drew, because this man like most child molesters, they know how to pick their

victims and how to groom their victims. She was vulnerable, she`s 14 years old, she`s bipolar, she was known to be an outsider, she didn`t have many

friends.

He probably knew exactly what to tell her to get her to trust him.

PINSKY: Yes, yes, yes.

SEDAGHATFAR: And probably gave her the attention she didn`t get at home.

PINSKY: Oh, you guys keep blaming the parents in this one. Not only that, I heard the parents -- when she was banned from seeing the guy, she

still had her phone, unfortunately, and she changed the name that would come up --

SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. But you take the phone away from them, Dr. Drew. You find out your 14-year-old daughter is in a car with a 41-year-old man

trying to buy marijuana, you don`t let her have a phone, you throw that out the window, you don`t give her Internet access, because kids these days,

Dr. Drew, they`ll change ways to try to find to change their screen names - -

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Anahita, that is absolutely true, kids are smarter than us with technology. They`re one step ahead of us, but we`ve got to keep

chasing. And I think these parents did.

I`m going to give the father a chance to explain to us what they did do for her. I will tell you this one thing, though. That parents, if you

find out your kid is going and purchasing pot or find pot on them, in their clothing or in their backpack, you have a much more serious problem than

you probably think.

It`s not just something you just sit down and talk about. At that point, they go to great lengths to hide this stuff. And if they`re getting

so sloppy that you`re finding out about, you have a bigger problem here. That`s the point you get professional help.

Stay with us. We`ll continue this conversation.

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PINSKY: Please look carefully at those pictures. The parents are desperate to find that girl. And of course, we`re all anxious that man be

brought to justice.

I`m back with Sam. We`re discussing a 16-year-old girl who disappeared six days ago. She is bipolar, without medication. Police

believe she is with this man, a 41-year-old sex offender. Show us again, if you wouldn`t mind, guys, the picture of the young girl, so we can be

sure our viewers get a good look at that, so they can keep an eye out for her.

My understand is, Sam, is it right that they believe she may be in Georgia or Florida? Is that what I heard?

SCHACHER: That`s what they`re guessing, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes. OK. So, keep an eye out if you live in that vicinity. Let`s bring the behavior bureau, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, professor

at Pepperdine University, Jacinta Jimenez, clinical psychologist, Wendy Walsh, psychologist and author of "The 30-Day Love Detox."

Judy, her name, did I introduce Judy Ho up there. I`m not sure --OK, there were go.

Judy, 2000 texts, 2,000, anybody think that`s a little excessive in three days?

JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOGIST: I have a reaction. This is a manic reaction. This is somebody who is on her way to having a manic episode, if

not already full-blown. So she doesn`t have her medication right now, she is in the middle of a severe manic episode, not to mention that she is very

young to have a diagnosis of bipolar, which suggests that this is a very severe disorder for her, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes, Jacinta, I agree completely. You agree?

JACINTA JIMENEZ, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes, absolutely. It`s so concerning. If she has -- if she`s experiencing a manic episode, that

means she`s experiencing hyperactivity, and one of the biggest things is impulsivity, and especially hyper sexuality, which makes her a perfect

target for him. Here he is, a sexual molester, and she has these impulses right now. He`s going to take advantage of her mental illness.

PINSKY: Wendy, we`re going to talk to the dad in just a second, but I was upset. This poor family is desperate to get their daughter back. And

our panel in the last block was sort of taking off after the parents a little bit.

Do you have any thoughts on that?

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes, and actually, I noticed, Dr. Drew, that you were the only parent in the last panel --

PINSKY: Interesting, interesting.

WALSH: -- to really understand what kids do.

I mean, for instance, I`ve got an 11-year-old in the green room right now on an iPad. I hope she`s just watching Netflix and not sending the

2,000 texts, but, you know, there are these moments where kids do have access to tech and can do things and I think it`s really unfair to blame

the parents.

HO: I agree.

PINSKY: Let`s bring dad in. His name is Roger Lyon. He`s Ashley`s father.

Roger, thank you for joining us. Can you tell us first how Ashley met Steven?

ROGER LYON, FATHER (via telephone): Thanks for having me, Dr. Drew. Sure. From my understanding, this started -- I became aware of it about

two months ago. I was sitting outside, I had just returned home from work, we have a nice lanai and pool area. It`s pretty popular in the Florida

area.

And sitting outside with my wife and I`d seen this gentleman go by, I wouldn`t qualify him as a gentleman, but he went by on a skateboard, and I

said, honey, who`s that?

PINSKY: A 41-year-old, that`s weird. A 41-year-old on a skateboard is already weird.

LYON: Exactly. And he came back around, skating down the other side of the street and he kept staring at us. I`m a military veteran, I know

how to stare back, and kind of waved and I just kept staring.

And I inquired as to who it was. And said, oh, that`s Ashley`s friend`s dad. And I said, I`ve never seen this guy before, but I don`t

like him. I got a vibe off of him. I said, this is, you know, not a bad dude, he just creeped me out really bad.

PINSKY: But then you found out that he was contacting your daughter. What measures did you take to get in the way of that?

LYON: OK, two weeks prior to Ashley`s disappearance, what had happened was, we were contacted by the Hillsborough County sheriff`s

office, they said, we`re on Bloomingdale Avenue, which is several blocks away from my house, around the corner, it`s the main road into our housing

development, he said, your daughter is here, need you to come and pick her up.

My wife, Michelle, went out, met with the sheriff`s deputy, and of course, there was Steven Myers, along with his son and my daughter.

Apparently, one of them was this possession of some type of drug paraphernalia.

PINSKY: What`d you do, Roger? How`d you react? Because a lot of people, I know a lot of people out there are thinking the way my last panel

did. The parents should have done more.

Give them a sense of how tough this is. What did you do?

LYON: OK. Well, as soon as she came home, I got extremely stern, as well as my wife. My wife was probably a lot more stern than me. But she

lost her laptop. That was gone. That`s since been in the possession of her oldest brother, Greg. He`s 26.

I checked her cell phone. There was no mention of a Steven or a Meyer or a Steve Meyer or anything like that in her cell phone. Just a couple of

friends. I said, OK.

Then we said, look, you`re grounded, indefinitely. And you are never to be around these people again. I never liked the sons is to begin with

in the four years we`ve lived here, and this guy was just the cherry on top. And I said, no way, no how, it`s not going to happen.

PINSKY: And she still slipped out. Roger, I`ve got to wrap this up.

If your daughter`s listening, what would you want her to know right now?

LYON: What I want her to know is she`s not in trouble. I need her to come home. Her mother her brothers and I miss her, terribly. And the rest

of the family misses her terribly and we just need her to come home, so we can give her the help and love that she needs.

PINSKY: Thanks, Roger, I appreciate you joining us.

Judy, I know you want to make a comment here. And I would sort of get on the heels of what he just said. Look, the family loves her, they want

her back, they just want her safe, they want to help her. They don`t want to hurt her.

HO: Very well said by Roger, my comment was just that, most of the time these families are doing everything they can, they`ve just run out of

options. It`s very, very hard to have a daughter with a severe mental illness, and knowing exactly how to watch for the signs. They`re still

learning that themselves.

So, they`re not going to be able to catch every single slip that she has, and she`s too young to do it for herself. So, I want people to really

realize that Roger is trying to be the best dad that he can.

PINSKY: Let me put a tweet up there from Bobby. Can you guys get that up there real quick. It`s, "Drew is being really naive, I think,

seriously, no parent accountability."

Bobby, go ahead and follow up. You heard a parent is suffering out there, he did everything he could, we`re not perfect as parents. We`re not

-- none of us are. The only I think I can say is every teenager is different, but the one thing, three of you down below, any of the three of

you would be a great help. Look to people like that to reach out to help if you`re struggling with kids that are struggling. Don`t go it alone.

Next up, a man lays out a terrible murder/rape plot online. Find out how that happened and what happened after this.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Agents say he lured two men and a 9-year-old girl to this vacant logwood house on the pretense of shooting a student film.

But when one adult went inside and saw a plastic sheet on the floor, he got suspicious and would not bring the child inside. Investigators say they

have a recording of Thomas saying he was confident once he executed his plan to kill the parents, and rape and murder their child, quote, "It would

get easier and he wouldn`t be able to stop."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Anahita, Wendy, and Michelle -- an incredible story, the police caught this guy using Google Chat.

Take a look at some of these messages the police informant receive. You just one. We need to warn you. These are very graphic material from

the police report. So, here we go, he wished, meaning this guy you just saw on that piece, he wished he had some Molly to give the juvenile female

in a shot of liquor to, quote, "get her horny from the start", unquote, because, quote, "Molly helps minimize the initial pain, so she would

actually rather enjoy it", unquote. It`s insane.

He also, quote, "plans to get the parents in different rooms, dad first, big knife to the throat," unquote, and again, the same thing you

just saw. "He knows that once he executes the plan, it will get easier and he will not be able to stop."

His plan, thank God, was not carried out, Sam, because the people had the good sense to look at that creepy environment and not go in, but he got

close with two families.

Let`s go our defense lawyer. Anahita, he had clear intent here. He didn`t actually finish his -- didn`t carry out his action, but there should

be some serious punishment here, no?

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, look, obviously, it`s going to be a hard defense. There is overwhelming evidence that possibly he was trying to go through

with the crime. But his defense attorney is going to argue, wait a minute, this was him expressing his thoughts.

You know, you can`t convict someone based on their thoughts. This was fantasy, that he was never really going to do anything. Yes, he`s a sick

puppy, but he wasn`t actually going to go through with it. This was him fantasizing.

I mean, it`s going to be a difficult defense, but that`s what he`s going to argue.

PINSKY: Michelle, Anahita, sounds so sincere, she`s so convincing, but I saw you did that --

SEDAGHATFAR: It`s a tough one, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Michelle gets this look of disgust on her face that is unmistakable.

SEDAGHATFAR: Don`t be disgusted.

PINSKY: Go ahead.

FIELDS: No, Anahita, you`re absolutely wrong. Look, he was downloading child pornography, that`s illegal, OK? And what he was doing

was a threat. That is not protected speech. You can`t say that this was him, just expressing himself.

What he was going to do, he was going to do, and he was going to implement it. And thank God they stopped him.

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, the child porn charges, Dr. Drew, won`t come in in the charge of attempted rape and murder. I`m sure his defense attorneys

are going to move to exclude to --

FIELDS: But how can you say it`s him expressing himself.

(CROSSTALK)

WALSH: Of course, it`s relevant.

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, he`s being charged with different crimes. He`s going to be charged with possession, I presume, of child pornography.

That`s when that evidence comes in. But in terms of his attempted rape and murder, what he had on his computer, the defense attorneys are going to

argue that`s prejudicial, that`s not relevant, so it won`t come in.

But I agree with you, Michelle, that`s not protected speech.

And, Dr. Drew, you and I talk about this a lot, about the thought police --

PINSKY: I agree with that. You know I`m on your team with that one.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right.

PINSKY: There shouldn`t be thought police, but, Wendy, I also say a lot --

SCHACHER: Oh my God!

PINSKY: Hold on Michelle, hold on, Sam. You two hang on.

Wendy, I talk also a lot about clinical judgment. And our judgment tells us this guy is really dangerous and needs to be contained. And I`m

not sure this is a treatable situation.

WALSH: You know, it`s like how we assess for suicidality or any other crime. We look at whether they have a means, whether they have a plan. He

had all these things together.

But, you know, how often on this show, Dr. Drew, have we said, why did people ignore the warning signs, why did people ignore the warning signs,

here are some warning signs and we`re acting on them. Forget freedom of speech, I love freedom of speech, but not here. Not when there`s a means

and a plan and a weapon and a plastic sheet.

PINSKY: So there, defense counselor! There you go! Sam, last word.

SCHACHER: Yes. No, absolutely. I think that thank God that this man was being monitored by the police, and they were able to catch him.

And just a word for a lot of people out there, not all casting calls are legit. In fact, a lot of them are not. So please do your homework

like these families did, because it could save your life.

And finally, I want to know, are the police following up on these people or Web site that were going to purchase this DVD of him raping a

little girl and murdering their parents? I sure hope so.

PINSKY: Oh, I`m sure.

SCHACHER: I hope so.

PINSKY: Well, of course they are.

SCHACHER: Disgusting!

PINSKY: OK. We`re switching gears. 911 dispatcher tells a rape victim to stop crying. You hear this unbelievable call, coming up.

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DISPATCHER: 911, what is your emergency?

CALLER: I just woke up to a boy sticking a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) in my face, telling me to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) or he was going to shoot me.

DISPATCHER: And what`s the address that you`re at?

CALLER: Is there any way you can locate where my phone is at right now?

DISPATCHER: No, we can`t. That`s why I need to know where you are.

CALLER: I`m really scared right now.

DISPATCHER: They`re going to come out there, ma`am, but you`re going to have to be outside so they can find you. OK?

CALLER: I`m very nervous.

DISPATCHER: Ma`am, you`re going to have to quit crying so I can get the information from you. Well, they`re not going to be able to find you

on the information that you`ve given. We`ll send the officer over to talk to you.

CALLER: You`re kidding me, right? I don`t no what you deal with every day, but the kind of you have right now is zero.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Anahita, Segun, and Michelle.

Sam, you say no, huh?

SCHACHER: No, this woman, this dispatcher is absolutely so unsympathetic to a woman that was just forced to give oral sex with a gun

to her head. And I understand that this dispatcher wanted to get the woman to stop crying so she could get information, but it`s counterproductive to

upset her more. She needs to be a little bit more sympathetic.

PINSKY: Well, the dispatcher will not be disciplined. The supervisor says the victim got help.

Segun, I`m -- listen, being sympathetic to the caller, I`m on the side of the person trying to do her job, the operator.

ODUOLOWU: Dr. Drew, here`s my problem. OK, so a woman is sexually assaulted every two minutes in this country, and you had two women on the

line. Her first comment doesn`t bother me that much, and I`ll tell you why. It doesn`t bother me, because I can justify maybe trying to do her

job.

It`s the second comment she makes that I think, she has to be fired for. When she says, they`re not going to catch the guy based on the

information you`ve given. That second comment is cruel.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR: You`re not worried about the first comment, when she`s basically saying, stop crying.

ODUOLOWU: No, because, Anahita.

SEDAGHATFAR: Segun!

ODUOLOWU: Taken out of context, you can argue that she`s either trying to do her job or saying, hey, ma`am, it`s fresh in your mind.

SEDAGHATFAR: How is that trying to do her job, though, Segun? If the point is.

(CROSSTALK)

ODUOLOWU: If you want to yell at me and not let me finish, that`s fine. I said the woman is wrong with what she did. Her second comment is the cruel

one. You can maybe try to justify.

DR. DREW PINSKY, DR. DREW ON CALL HOST: What was the second one? Let`s define cruel.

SEDAGHATFAR: That they were never gonna find him.

(CROSSTALK)

ODUOLOWU: Well, they`re not going to be able to catch the person with the information you`ve given. That is a cruel statement. And I think that`s

vicious and mean. You can argue the first one, you might be able to argue that she was trying to do her job. But the second one is mean.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, DR. DREW ON CALL CO-HOST: Come on, Segun.

PINSKY: Hold on, everybody! Hold on. Michelle, can you be the voice of reason here? (Inaudible) Where are you gonna call?

MICHELLE FIELDS: Look, when you call 911, you expect someone to who is going to get your information.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: And that`s it!

FIELDS: .dispatch that information. No, but you`re also looking to get someone who is also going to be compassionate. That is part of the job. If

you don`t like the job.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Wait a minute. The job is to.

FIELDS: This woman called and she basically talking to someone who was at the DMV, someone who doesn`t care whatsoever. That`s not what you should

get. You have a child, when a child is crying or anyone`s upset.

PINSKY: But I would hope -- but I would hope that I don`t.

FIELDS: Saying don`t cry is not going to help the situation.

PINSKY: It might. Listen, Anahita, sometimes you have to be firm to get somebody to cooperate.

SEDAGHATFAR: Dr. Drew!

SCHACHER: If I was crying right now, I would be shaking you! I cannot believe this from you!

PINSKY: I understand that it`s not, it`s not -- that the operator was not what I would like, my preferred attitude and empathy. My preferred, but the

fact of the matter is, she had to get the info. And sometimes you`ve got to say, stop it, hold on, I`ve got to get the info, and she may have had to

yell at somebody at one time in her career to get the information she needs to get the help to that person.

SEDAGHATFAR: So, wouldn`t you agree then, Dr. Drew, that the way to get that information isn`t to just yell at her and say stop crying, how about

saying, take a deep breath. She snapped at her. How about saying, take a deep breath -- just take a deep breath everything`s going to be OK, let`s

figure out where you are, ask your friend what the address is. There are so many other ways that she could have gone about doing her job. So, quite

frankly, I`m offended by everything this operator did. She had no compassion, and, Michelle, is right, that is part of her job as a 911

operator. They`re there to calm people down, to make sure that they feel safe, assure her, say the police are on their way. I think this woman needs

to be fired.

ODUOLOWU: You want her to lose her job?

SEDAGHATFAR: Absolutely. She shouldn`t have.

(CROSSTALK)

ODUOLOWU: So, they we`re on the same side. We -- all of us agree that she should lose her job. What I`m saying is her first comment is not

sympathetic, but her last comment is cruel. We can maybe explain the first one. You can`t explain the second one.

SEDAGHATFAR: Who cares about the last comment second, we might not find the guy.

PINSKY: Hold on. Hold on.

ODUOLOWU: If you want to argue the point to prove that she was just bad all the way around? Will that make you happy?

PINSKY: OK. Listen, we all wish she`d taken a different tact. I absolutely wish she`d been empathetic, but I don`t know that that`s that job, at least

not and we maybe asking too much or what need that person to do is efficiently get the resources to the individual. I don`t care how she does

it. Now, I`m concerned that she may have been unrealistic about a young girl who`d just been traumatized being able to go out on the curb and wait

for the police. She may not have been able to do that. But, again, she`s not a counsellor. She may not have had that judgment. She`s got to figure

out a way to get information and get the resources to the girl.

Now, I`ve got another 911 nightmare coming up, when an emergency call gets transferred to a voice mail repeatedly while there`s a home invasion and a

shooting, on hold with 911. You`ve got to hear this.

And last week I told you to like us on our HLN Dr. Drew Facebook page. This week, I`m gonna tell you why you`ll like it. We have behind the scene

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with a shooting! After this.

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(BEGIN AUDIO TAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody just came in my house. Four people just came in my house, they beat the (BLEEP) out of me and my wife and my stepmother.

Who is it!?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If this is an emergency, hang up and dial 911.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Excuse me?!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you for calling the (inaudible) county nonemergency number.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a family in here! Please state your name I have family. Back down (BLEEP).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If this is an emergency, hang up and dial 911. Thank you for calling the.

(SCREAMING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get the (BLEEP) out. You`re breaking into my house (BLEEP). I just shot one!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You shot somebody?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I shot one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, listen, did you shoot somebody?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I shot them in the (BLEEP)!

(END AUDIO TAPE)

PINSKY: Back with Sam. It took 5 1/2 minutes on with the operator, that whole time, even though you were hearing voice mail, that was the operator

trying to get the call to the local authorities, but instead they got voice mail twice, and then finally the dispatcher could get the address going,

about after 5 1/2 minutes. And in that time, as you heard, the occupants of the home were robbed, beaten, and then, Sam, somebody was shot. Thankfully,

it was one of the bad guys, it sounded like. But then that guy, the gentleman that was on the phone, is probably going to get in trouble for

having shot the perpetrator.

SCHACHER: No. He won`t be charged. I believe -- yeah, he will not be charged. I did some follow up on that, nor should he be.

PINSKY: OK. Now, Michelle and Anahita, they`re back with us. Joining me as well, Jason Ellis is here. He`s SiriusXM radio host. Jason, the home

owner`s on the phone with 911, the robbers came back, you hear what happened, he shot him. How do we make sense of the fact that the guy was --

shouldn`t we have expected more of this system?

JASON ELLIS, RADIO HOST: Yeah! I don`t really have anymore to say. Yeah! Like, how does that work? It`s like your kids -- I don`t know how -- if the

person on the other line is telling me that they don`t really care or know what`s going on and my children are in the house, everything is out the

window. I`m in now, like Tina Turner, and (inaudible). I`ve got to really unleash now.

PINSKY: Now, the dispatcher was able to transfer the call eventually, but it was a long wait for the police. There`s more to listen to. Take a listen

to this.

(BEGIN AUDIO TAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please hurry up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was that gunshots I hear? They`re chasing him, sir. Please, get back in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, have them hurry up. I have a family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have they come to the door yet or no?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. OK, I want to make sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we`re in the house now, the cops.

(END AUDIO TAPE)

PINSKY: So, that was 8:15, 19 minutes into this 911 call. Michelle, are you as disturbed as everyone else?

FIELDS: Yeah. I mean, I think that this is just pure incompetence and it`s very unfortunate. You know, we talk a lot on this show about all of these

stories, about gun violence. And I just want to point out that this was actually a story where the second amendment and guns actually did good,

because if it wasn`t for that family having a gun, this whole family would be dead, and because of the operator not being there for them. So, I

actually think that this is a good thing. I think this is a good story, because if it hadn`t been for the second amendment, these people would all

be dead.

SCHACHER: OK. First of all, I`ve just got to get in here, because when people are advocating for gun reform, Michelle, they`re not saying to get

rid of the second amendment, the majority of them. They`re saying to make sure that guns don`t get into the wrong people with mental illnesses or who

aren`t reasonable gun owners. Just want to add that.

PINSKY: And, Anahita, is this guy got any liability? Is he going to get in trouble legally?

SEDAGHATFAR: He`s absolutely not, and he shouldn`t, Dr. Drew. And I still can`t believe that something like this should happen. I don`t think there

should ever be room for error when you`re talking about 911. I mean, this man was home. He was with his kid, his wife, his stepmother I believe was

home as well, and he`s calling 911 over and over and getting voice mail? He had every right to take the law into his own hands. He had every right to

shoot this man, and if this was Florida, he had every right to kill this man actually, and he is not going to be charged with any crime. He was

standing his ground.

PINSKY: Standing his ground.

SEDAGHATFAR: He was standing his ground. He has every right to do that.

PINSKY: Jason, you know, we have a thing in this show, that the crazy stuff that goes down now see (ph) in Germany or Florida.

SEDAGHATFAR: Was this in Florida?

PINSKY: Of course it was! Everything`s in Florida.

(CROSSTALK)

SEDAGHATFAR: Everything`s in Florida. I should have known!

PINSKY: The girl that ran away with the sex offender was Florida. Could have been Germany, but it was Florida. And Jason, that was my buddy, Adam

Coral that came with that Germany or Florida thing. And he was talking to me today. Give me, Jason -- will you bring in, Jason, for a second. And he

was talking about how -- we were talking about this kind of thing, and he goes, you know, the police are spending too much time handing out traffic

tickets and not enough time, you know, going after crime -- real crime.

ELLIS: That is the real crime right there. That`s the one that we want you to stop the most. That`s why I pay taxes, so you stop those guys from

shooting innocent families. I just can`t believe, Anahita -- I agree with her completely on what she just said, and that just makes me want to kiss

the little box that you`re in.

SEDAGHATFAR: Kiss it! The other way.

PINSKY: Other side, Jason. Other side.

SEDAGHATFAR: Turn around. Other way.

PINSKY: This way, this way? Now, they lined you up right. Now, you can have her over here.

SEDAGHATFAR: We`ve been bonding more and more, Jason.

SCHACHER: That`s hot.

ELLIS: Finally!

PINSKY: Everybody, relax. Rob Ford.

SCHACHER: Oh, my God.

PINSKY: Rob Ford. We`ve got Rob Ford up on the next block. Of course, our buddy, crack mayor announces his next step. I`ll tell you what his next

move is and whether it`s a good idea or not, when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

ROB FORD, TORONTO MAYOR: Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When, sir?

FORD: But, no -- do I? No, am I an addict? No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Crack mayor seems to finally capitulate and admit he has a problem. He has been sent for immediate treatment.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He made this big announcement, right afterward came out, OF another -- yes, another video, allegedly showing him smoking crack.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drunk and stupid, oops I made a blooper, I`m a drug abuser, and now it`s all over the news.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Michelle, Jason, and Judy. And that is a gentleman trying out for, Rob Ford: The Musical, which is an actually a reality in

Toronto, a reality. Well, when the crack mayor in rehab now for nearly two months, he plans to return to work. He reportedly sent a letter to the city

clerk`s office, reading in part, quote, I kindly be advised that I will be returning to city hall on Monday, June 30th, to resume my duties as mayor

of Toronto and please make the necessary arrangements for my office locks to be restored to the state prior to my departure.

JUDY HO, PH.D.: Oh, dear.

PINSKY: Oh, dear indeed. Judy. OK. Let me ask you first, Judy, too soon or not.

HO: Kindly be advised that this is the worst idea ever, Dr. Drew. He needs to take more time off and take care of his after-care plan, before he goes

right back to work. What is he thinking? This is a recipe for relapse. He`s definitely going to relapse, because he`s taking in into this.

PINSKY: All right. One vote for two soon, relapse ahead. Jason, what say you?

ELLIS: I mean, the guy is a write off, so coming out of rehab -- it was a month that he was in rehab?

PINSKY: Two months, but he was in a bar celebrating his 45th birthday, a couple weeks ago.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew!

PINSKY: No, no, no.

SCHACHER: He was for an hour with supervision.

PINSKY: Who was supervising him?

SCHACHER: It was a restaurant.

PINSKY: All right, maybe, that`s fine. But it`s not a good idea to be in slippery places, is all I`m saying. Go ahead, Jason.

ELLIS: If you get out of rehab after two months, you can be in a restaurant, that`s OK. But I just think the guy is who he is and he

shouldn`t be in charge of anybody, living in the country or in a part of the country. Get out of rehab, go to rehab, quit drinking. You need way

longer of being sober before you should be in charge. It`s such a serious job. And you`re a write-off!

PINSKY: That`s right. Michelle, what do you say?

HO: Oh, my god!

FIELDS: I think he ought to spend more time in rehab, but I love the mayor. I think he is a national treasure. I`m very happy that he`s out of rehab,

because I`m so excited for the crazy stories that are about to come out of Toronto. But he has a re-election campaign, so he`s probably not thinking

about himself personally and his well-being. He`s thinking about politics, and he wants to get back in there and that`s what this is all about. But

personally, I`m really happy about it. Yehey.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, this is your area of expertise, so, please, do you think that he -- obviously, you don`t think he`s done enough time, but what

can he do now to ensure his recovery?

PINSKY: I`m actually sympathetic to him needing to get back to work. I`ve been with many patients that insist on going back to work. Sixty days of

treatment is pretty good, Judy, bear me up on this -- back me up on this, which is, that if he`s able to maintain treatment and work part-time, and

if the people that are treating him are satisfied he can focus on his treatment, it`s possible.

HO: That`s right.

PINSKY: So, it`s possible.

HO: It is possible.

PINSKY: All right, but not likely, not likely for this guy, not likely for Rob Ford. But I can`t tell you how many times I`ve dealt with patients who

have to go to work for important reasons, legitimate reasons, and end up relapsing because the work pulls them out of the treatment process

prematurity. And Jason, listen, what do you want to say, Jason?

ELLIS: The pressure.

PINSKY: Yeah. The pressure, and the.

ELLIS: I just got out of rehab and now I`m in charge of a lot of responsibilities that might want to make me lean back.

PINSKY: That`s right, you are very, very fragile when you come out of treatment and people aren`t very much aware of that. What`s that, Jason?

ELLIS: Before he starts drinking -- I really hope he doesn`t, by the way, but I would honestly think that right now, he will be better than ever at

doing his job, but like you said, Drew, it`s too much pressure, too soon.

PINSKY: Too much too soon.

ELLIS: He might want to go back and smoke some crack because of it.

PINSKY: The number one reason my patients relapse is because they go back to work prematurely, for legitimate reasons, and people around them are the

ones that kind of help pull them back in, because they have to go on a concert tour or have to go back to work or they have to run a city or they

have to make a movie, whatever it is, or run a company, and that`s a shame. The individual, the person who is suffering suffers more.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He turned 16. He passed his driving test with flying colors. But when he came to get the photo snap for his licence.

CHASE CULPEPPER: I was in complete shock.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chase CULPEPPER was told he`d need to clean up or walk out.

CULPEPPER: He told us that I could not wear a disguise, because according to them, makeup was a disguise, and I should look like I should.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, he took off his makeup.

TERESA CULPEPPER, CHASE CULPEPPER MOTHER: Angry, upset, heartbroken that my government was telling my son, you must conform to our ideals of what a man

should look like.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Michelle, Jason, and Judy. We`ve asked you all to weigh in on that story, and over 1,200 of our viewers responded on the Dr.

Drew HLN Facebook page. A DMV staffer reportedly referred to the teen`s makeup as a disguise. Sixteen year old boy says he wears makeup every day.

Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CULPEPPER: This is how I am every day. And if that police officer wanted to recognize how I am, then he would want to see who I am in my picture as

well. I`m still developing, like, into the person that I am. Like, I`m still trying to figure all that stuff out.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Michelle, I know you`re very conservative, but the government dictating how somebody should look?

FIELDS: Yeah, I don`t believe the government should be telling you how you should or shouldn`t dress. However, this story is a little fishy, OK? He

says that he looks like this or she looks like this, whatever, every single day, I went to his Facebook, and his pictures don`t look like this. The

pictures that you see online.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Well, let`s look.

FIELDS: All of a sudden, in the media, he`s dressed like a girl, him and his mom recall over the place.

PINSKY: This is Facebook.

FIELDS: It seems like people who are trying to push a social agenda.

PINSKY: Wait, Michelle.

SCHACHER: No way.

FIELDS: I see him in Facebook. They do not look like a female.

PINSKY: I`m showing them right now.

ELLIS: Look at all the photos! She`s dressed as a girl.

FIELDS: That to me looks like -- OK, the person there -- look at that you`re telling me that looks like a girl.

ELLIS: There`s one photo without makeup. Don`t let him wear it ever again.

FIELDS: All of a sudden.

PINSKY: There it is.

FIELDS: Oh, come on. That was a guise. She doesn`t look like that. He`s a guy!

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: One at a time. Let`s get Jason`s opinion. Go Jason.

ELLIS: He`s on his way to becoming -- he`s either, in my opinion, he seems like he might be.

PINSKY: Transgender.

ELLIS: On his way to becoming transsexual or maybe just a gay guy, but if he wants to wear that makeup, if that`s who he is, and I`ve got a mother to

defend me, in the last 16 years, this is who I am, because once you get to 16 and want to wear a full face of makeup and dress like a girl and your

mom approves it, that means that you kind of know where you are and who you are. And I don`t think anyone -- he still looks like him if you put makeup

on, it doesn`t mean anything. You`re just behind the times and you don`t understand what is happening in the world today.

FIELDS: I don`t care.

PINSKY: Calm down, calm down.

FIELDS: Don`t insult me. Do not personally insult me.

(CROSSTALK)

ELLIS: I am not insulting you. Your hearing, because you`re deaf.

FIELDS: I don`t think the government or DMV should be telling him what to do.

PINSKY: Michelle, Michelle, he is talking about the DMV operator. He meant the DMV person was behind the times, not Michelle.

(CROSSTALK)

FIELDS: But the DMV -- OK.

PINSKY: But I do want to show somebody else in disguise. Sam, get on the screen here with me, I think, you`re in disguise, my dear.

SCHACHER: Yes, I have makeup on!

PINSKY: You have a lot of makeup on -- not a lot, about the same amount as that young man did.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

PINSKY: You`re in disguise!

SCHACHER: I can go to the DMV and have makeup on and I`m not in a disguise. I think that this whole story is outrageous. I feel so bad for this

teenager. And he does on a daily basis wear makeup and wear dresses, so, therefore his picture should represent him on the daily. And also, if

police are so worried that they`re going to be confused because he`s in a disguise, then perhaps our driver`s license -- here`s a solution, should

say, female, male, and transgender.

PINSKY: Interesting. Very interesting. Hang on, Judy, before your opinion, I`ve got to give South Carolina`s DMV statement they sent us about their

photo policy. Quote, at no time will an applicant be photographed when it appears that he or she is purposely altering his or her appearance so the

photo would misrepresent his or her identity. Judy.

HO: He is not misrepresenting.

PINSKY: In fact, he`s stating his identity.

HO: This is actually his identity. And actually, the DMV did respond and say, you know what, if he actually went through the transgender process,

then we would allow him to wear his makeup in the photo. But guess what, he`s a teenager! You don`t decide to be transgendered person until a little

later. It takes time. There`s a lot of thinking, therapy that might be involved before you make a huge decision. So, this is just ridiculous. He

is just trying to find out who he is, like he said in the video clip you showed.

PINSKY: Michelle, I`ll give you a chance to clear your thoughts up here, last word.

FIELDS: Look, I think that they`re just trying to push an agenda and it`s all for publicity. I look at the photos, to me it doesn`t look like someone

who`s transgender. I think this is someone who`s pushing an agenda.

ELLIS: They`re going to die before we do, so it`s good news all the way around.

PINSKY: And, Jason -- huh?

ELLIS: Old people. It`s an old person thought.

PINSKY: Oh, got it.

ELLIS: Evolve!

PINSKY: You should feel better now, Jason, you disagreed with one of my female panellists.

ELLIS: She`s still hot.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: And of course, I agree with Jason, which is interesting. Don`t forget to like us on Facebook. We`ll be here after this show, with our

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