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DR. DREW

Surfer Girl in Hot Water

Aired May 19, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a surfer girl accused of running down an old woman. The Facebook posts reveal a dark past. Her own dad says she tried to hire a hit man to kill him.

Then, child abuse caught on camera. A neighbor puts this out there for the world to see. And he`s here with us.

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening, everyone.

My co-host Samantha Schacher.

Coming up, a mother caught slapping her baby in its car seat as you just saw. The neighbor who was shooting this right as you`re watching recorded it but didn`t step in, Sam.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: I know. But it`s what the police didn`t do that outraged me and I think will outrage all of our viewers.

PINSKY: All right. So it`s when he puts it up on Facebook that the proverbial hits the fan.

SCHACHER: I don`t know. I have a lot of thoughts about this one.

PINSKY: All right. All right.

First up, cops say an aspiring pro-surfer and wannabe model savagely attacked a 73-year-old woman. We`ve got new details about this woman`s past, plus bizarre messages she put on Facebook just hours after this attack on a helpless older woman.

Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m a surfer girl. I never stopped surfing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A surfer now facing attempted murder charges.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a joke. This is all started with an idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jill Hansen is charged with attempted murder. Police say that she followed a 73-year-old woman home. When the victim got out of the car, we`re told Hansen drove at her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A 73-year-old woman mowed down in her own garage. She had to be stopped from trying to hit her again before she killed the woman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The rear window is smashed because a Good Samaritan broke it with a crowbar to stop Hansen from hitting the elderly woman again. And this is not the 30-year-old`s first run-in with police.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here we see that there was a long history of continuing escalating mental health problems.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The judge ordered her to obtain mental health treatment until clinically discharged.

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PINSKY: So people are wondering why and what this is. Police are calling it road rage. I say nonsense. The victim, herself, the older woman thought it was a carjacking. Finally people are beginning to talk about this being mental illness.

Let`s get the panel together. Vanessa Barnett from hiphollywood.com. Michelle fields, correspondent for PJ Media. Loni Coombs, former prosecutor and author of "You`re Perfect and Other Lies Parents Tell."

Vanessa, come on, road rage? Give me a break.

VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: Not road rage at all. I don`t think it`s a mental health issue. This girl suffers from social networking disorder.

SCHACHER: What?

BARNETT: And that is when you front like you have a certain lifestyle and you actually don`t. She`s posting pictures of houses she doesn`t have. Cars she doesn`t have. She`s a wannabe model, an aspiring surfer. Then she posts a message talking about she`s made it?

This girl is all fake and lies and she`s trying to live a life she doesn`t really live.

PINSKY: Well, let`s look at a post she put up a couple hours after the attack. This is on her Facebook page. She said, like Vanessa told us, quote, "I`m becoming a professional. I worked so hard to get to today. I`m proud of the surfers and association of surfing professionals."

But underneath, you see that car underneath it? That car is a picture of the same type of car that her victim was driving. Michelle, what do you think?

MICHELLE FIELDS, PJ MEDIA: Well, look, I think she has anger management issues. This isn`t the first time she`s done this. She actually has another pending assault case, and her own father filed a restraining order against her. I mean, you have to do something really bad for your own father to file a restraining order.

But I think, you know, you look at the pictures of this girl. She looks very, very unhealthy. I would not be surprised if she has some sort of drug addiction and was on drugs when she did this. She does not look well to me.

PINSKY: Sam, what do you think?

SCHACHER: She allegedly tried to hire a hit man off Facebook to kill her father. So, that`s why --

PINSKY: Perfectly normal, perfectly natural. Couldn`t be any mental health issues here. She`s just going to hire a hit man to kill her family. Just a little rage issue. It`s road rage, Sam. I don`t know. Come on, now.

SCHACHER: I agree. And when you look at her Facebook page, you see a lot of her friends reaching out, as of recent which is curious to me because where were they before? Now that they are all know about the attempted murder, they say, you suffered from a mental disorder, get help.

PINSKY: Thank you.

And, everybody, what about the poor victim here. You`ve got your old -- Loni, I`m going to have you comment on the victim. Here she is on "GMA" yesterday. Have a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I drove home and I drove into my parking garage and I parked in my normal parking place and I got out and then, all of a sudden, I woke up in an ambulance. She saw my car. It was the car she wanted. She followed me. She was going to kill me and get the car.

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PINSKY: Loni, here we are again, everybody. We`re going to have to wait until somebody is harmed. Are we going to intervene on this young lady? She already has enough legal problems I imagine, Loni, that there may be no further opportunity other than -- may not be a need for anything other than the legal system because it`s going to step in here, wouldn`t you say?

LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, yes, absolutely. There`s another thing the father alleged a little while ago she also called the police and said, hey, you know, my father, my mother, my sister were all murdered in the house, go to the house.

I mean, clearly, there`s mental issues going on here and she needs to get help. I`m surprised law enforcement hasn`t stopped in before. She`s been in a mental hospital and somehow she got out.

PINSKY: Wait, wait, Loni, we didn`t know that part. Please if the control room would put up the graphic of the quote that Loni just mentioned and she`s being charged with attempted murder. She`s out on $1 million bail.

And please put -- there it is. There`s the quote Loni was talking about. Tell me about the previous hospitalization. We didn`t know about that.

COOMBS: Well, I thought I heard it here. I thought I heard it in the story. So, if it wasn`t in the story, I apologize. That`s where I thought I heard it.

PINSKY: Anybody else, Vanessa, Michelle?

FIELDS: No, they wanted her to seek mental illness evaluation. I don`t think she was ever entered. She has a history of this kind of stuff.

COOMBS: Yes.

FIELDS: Since February, she had three citations for speeding so she seems as though when she gets behind the wheel she becomes --

PINSKY: She`s manic. It could be drugs, Michelle, as you said.

But, Loni, finish up.

COOMBS: Yes. But, look, this was targeted toward this woman. Unfortunately this poor victim was driving car that she wanted.

Back in February, this woman put on her Facebook she was looking to buy this specific car the victim was driving. So --

PINSKY: Wow.

COOMBS: -- yes, she has issues but she specifically targeted this victim because of her car. I think that`s --

PINSKY: Wow.

OK. Next, the revealing video of her, the surfing girl as we`re calling her giving a motivational speech. There she is. That evidently was before things started unraveling. Bringing in our behavior bureau to put this together. Be right back.

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JILL HANSEN: So I grew up surfing, grew up modeling. I was blessed with those occupations. I never tried to be a model. People just kind of asked me to model.

And I`d be like, oh, I can`t stand l modeling industry, these models don`t eat, they smoke, they`re bitches.

Hope and love and faith and generosity and charity -- I lived for these things first.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam.

That was Jill Hansen, the woman we`ve been talking about giving a ted talk a couple months ago. Police say the same woman you`re looking at there, Sam, deliberately ran over, ran over an older woman, not an elderly woman. We misspoke perhaps.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Just a lot older than this young woman who`s the surfer.

Now, we`re hearing there may have been a history of mental health issues.

Bring in our behavior bureau, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, professor at Pepperdine University, Leeann Tweeden, social commentator, host of "Tomboys" podcast on Blog Talk Radio, and, Erica America, Z100 Radio personality and psychotherapist.

Leeann, just before the cameras heated up here, you told us you have new information. Let`s have it.

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I do. So, I came from that world. I`m a sportscaster. I used to host action sports shows on FOX Sports.

And I called my surf friends who are the top surfers in the world. They said, (a), she`s crazy, that when she was 20, she went to prison for stealing a car.

SCHACHER: Whoa.

TWEEDEN: And that she`s not actually a competitive surfer and that she`s an embarrassment to the surf community. They said she was in a lineup one time surfing with people and she would beat random people. It was like road rage but in the surf. And there`s actually footage of it from somebody`s GoPro camera on the front of their surfboard of her beating some random guy because she got mad at him dropping in on a line.

PINSKY: Now, we can`t independently corroborate what Leeann is telling us. You see, HLN has not yet confirmed this. But I appreciate that information.

Judy, I still call this intermittent some kind some sort of anger explosive disorder, or mania, or, you know, something where she`s paranoid and agitated.

JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right. Because we have this long mental health history, that`s definitely possible.

And with athletes, we oftentimes see there`s a little more aggression and sometimes it`s because they have that predisposition in the first place which is why they got into athletics. That`s a positive way for them to express --

PINSKY: It`s a female surfer. I don`t know.

HO: She was very driven, right, dr. Drew? A lot of history. She`s very competitive. She`d like beat up other girls when they got in the way of her surf.

TWEEDEN: And guys.

HO: Girls and guys.

And so, I`m just saying that there are people born with some intermittent explosive tendencies already and they`re attracted to these sports. But then as you participate in the sports and get more competitive, that really strengthens those associations in the brain as well.

PINSKY: Or, Erica, or you start doing some drugs and then things really take off.

ERICA AMERICA, Z100 RADIO: Right. We don`t know if there`s a substance involved but definitely from what we see, the relationship with her parents, the accusations of making up lies of their murder. This is volatile behavior. I mean, to me, it could be a possible personality disorder. It could be just pure criminality.

This girl is aggressive and it`s dangerous. She could have killed that woman.

And to me the craziest thing was that she then went on Facebook and posted, "I`m finally becoming a profession pal." So, that`s delusional almost.

PINSKY: It bothers you.

AMERICA: Is it psychosis for real or someone who`s a criminal and a little bit out of it?

SCHACHER: I think -- I mean, I`m no doctor but she seems like she`s suffering from a mental illness. I looked through her Facebook page. Not only does she pretend to be a model, pretend to be a professional surfer, she`s a good surfer but she`s not a professional surfer. She also says some really odd things that to me standing by as a friend, I would see as a big red flag.

PINSKY: Here`s what I want to do. I want to bring in a friend. We`re going to call her Jessica.

So, Jessica, we`re worried there may be something really serious going on here. Can you tell us what you know?

JESSICA, KNOWS SURFER GIRL (via telephone): So, first of all, I`m not necessarily a friend of Jill`s. I`m just someone who knows a little bit about her. Very minimal interactions.

PINSKY: OK. Let`s have it.

JESSICA: So, I e-mailed her years ago regarding her surf company. I was interested in possibly working with her as a partner. And through the e-mails I kind of realized she was either a little unstable or going through a really bad breakup, either way. Decided to not engage in any sort of partnership and instead just sort of friend her on Facebook and say, good game.

SCHACHER: What have you seen on Facebook? Have you seen her act delusional or somewhat off?

JESSICA: Absolutely.

PINSKY: Absolutely. Can you give us a specific?

JESSICA: Sure. Initially I thought it was funny, like everyone else.

PINSKY: There`s nothing funny -- thank you, Jessica.

JESSICA: No, there`s absolutely nothing funny about it.

PINSKY: Right. I want to bring it back to the panel again. The last show we did we talked about how people should be reading the signs in social media of serious mental illness and doing something about it. Why are we all standing by and sort of thinking it`s funny?

Listen to some of the things she posted. She posted about suicide.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: About Satan coming after her. The government coming after her.

Judy, active paranoid delusions. And now, she`s aggressive and violent. Run somebody over.

Erica, do you disagree with Judy or myself?

HO: Well, I think --

AMERICA: No, I think that people --

PINSKY: Erica first then Judy. Erica, go.

AMERICA: OK. Yes, no, no, I think people should do things. I think they get a little scared sometimes to get too involved. But we see you can really make a difference by stepping up and saying something. Were any of those posts enough someone could call the police? I don`t know.

PINSKY: Then the police, Judy, is calling it all road rage. Why aren`t they checking social media?

HO: That`s right. I think the police have still not caught up to this idea that social media can be evidence they can use in these investigations. When we look at social media, how much she`s already unraveled there, why did people not do anything? I think it`s just the extension of the bystander effect we`ve talked about, Dr. Drew. They always think somebody else is doing something, instead.

PINSKY: Leeann, what`s that?

TWEEDEN: Just like reality TV. People like watching other people`s train wrecks. I think that`s the problem. It`s free, it`s easy to go on Facebook. But somebody needs to step in and help this girl.

PINSKY: I think Leeann is absolutely right. The fact is we behave like a mob in social media but we don`t become -- behave like responsible citizens. We have to start thinking differently. This is not entertainment you`re watching. This may be people with serious illness unraveling and need to not take our distance and become a bystander. We need to step in and refer it out.

In this case, it could be drugs, could be bipolar, could be verging schizophrenia, could be a personality disorder. As we`ve all discussed here, all of which can become serious and have become so because people sat on the sidelines as opposed to becoming citizens of social media.

We have to really become good at this, we have to understand it better.

Thank you, panel.

Next up, an 8-month-old beaten and a neighbor caught it on cell phone but didn`t intervene. Here we are again. What`s the right thing to do?

Later, first responders called to a behavioral emergency. There it is. This one is difficult to figure out. We`ll get into it after the break. You`ll see more.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to help you, Joe. We`re all friends here.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This cell phone video is just two minutes long but a 15-second portion of it will take your breath away.

(EXPLETIVES DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A mother slapping her child, cursing at the infant and saying shut up several times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shut up. (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Shut up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He called police.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They went up in their house, looked at the baby, I guess, and came back out. Then five minutes they was gone. Nobody actually looked at the video or anything. So --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not knowing what else to do, he posted the video to Facebook.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m just hoping I saved the baby`s life. So it won`t happen again.

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PINSKY: I`m back with Sam.

Sam, that`s another story that exemplifies what I was talking about.

SCHACHER: Yes. Disturbing video. Before we get into that, you said something very important.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: Citizens of social media. Should be a hash tag. Citizens of social media. Nowadays we become participants, almost blindly disconnected and we need to become more involved.

PINSKY: Or we become a mob that just acts out on people or we become a passive observer entertained by something that`s not entertaining. It`s serious business. We`ve got to become better at this.

Let`s call it citizens of social media. I think it`s a good phrase. We`ll use it more.

All right. The man who recorded that video will join us in just a second. But, first, you should know baby has been removed from the home. Thank goodness.

The mother arrested on a parole violation unrelated to this case.

Let`s bring in the behavior bureau, Judy, Leeann, and Erica.

Now, take a look at the mom`s criminal past everybody. She`s been arrested for theft, burglary, criminal trespass, DUI. No violent crimes, but still, I see --

SCHACHER: I know.

PINSKY: I don`t know what to say when you see something like that. Because here`s what -- those of us who work -- Sam, those of us on the behavior bureau, particularly those of us who work in mental health, Judy and Erica see the consequences of this.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: That event, just going through that is enough to change how a brain develops.

SCHACHER: So, why is a mother with that much of a rap sheet allowed to have custody of a child in the first place.

PINSKY: Or to have children. I don`t know.

SCHACHER: Or to have children, exactly.

PINSKY: Erica, you want to say something about this?

AMERICA: Yes, we`ve talked about before what if there was a license or some kind of test for someone to have children. Unfortunately, I don`t think we can even go down that alley because that would be a huge other discussion.

But I want to commend this guy for some people online were saying why didn`t he do more, why didn`t he go over there? He said -- he personally said he felt he might get in trouble or something. I think that`s OK. He took the video.

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PINSKY: Let`s bring him in. I`ve actually got him. Erica, I`ve got the guy. I`m going to interview him.

His name is Corey Ford. He`s the neighbor who recorded the video. Corey, thanks for joining us right now.

As Erica mentioned, the most common question we got on Twitter was, why didn`t you step in?

COREY FORD, NEIGHBOR WHO RECORDED BABY`S BEATING (via telephone): I didn`t want to get myself in trouble, you know? My attitude was, like, really bad at that time when I seen her slapping the child. It was just best to record it and call the police.

PINSKY: You mean, you were afraid of what you might do to her?

FORD: Yes.

PINSKY: And you did call the police and how did they respond?

FORD: Well, they came over and they looked at the baby. When I came back by the house, the police was gone. They didn`t have any information on the 911 when I told them that I had video. There was a miscommunication between them.

TWEEDEN: So when they came to the house, they didn`t even come and talk to you next door?

FORD: No. They went straight toward the house.

PINSKY: Is that why you put the video --

AMERICA: I think that`s a real problem there.

PINSKY: No kidding. Is that why you put the video on Facebook?

FORD: Yes. Yes.

PINSKY: And what was the reaction once they, once it started catching fire on Facebook?

FORD: Oh, wow. Everybody just started commenting. One thing just led to another. And CPS ended up seeing it.

SCHACHER: Oh, that footage. Can`t.

PINSKY: Just unbelievable.

TWEEDEN: You guys, I have a 9-month-old and you know that drives me crazy.

PINSKY: Judy --

TWEEDEN: And, you know, it`s so counterintuitive, though, when you have a baby to hit the baby to make it stop crying.

PINSKY: It`s the worst.

TWEEDEN: You what I mean? It`s the opposite, you`re hitting the baby, it`s going to make the baby keep crying. You pick it up, hug it, hold it, you comfort it.

It`s like I just -- what if I started slapping her? How would she feel? She would scream, too, not be quiet.

PINSKY: Well, it undoubtedly happened to her. Julie, what`s you comment?

HO: Is Corey still on the line? I have a question for him.

PINSKY: Corey?

FORD: Yes.

HO: This is Judy. I wanted to commend you for doing what you did. I completely understand what you said about you didn`t want to go over there and maybe, you know, really knowing to control your own impulses because you were probably so mad at the mother.

My question for you is have you seen anything else questionable coming from this mother being her neighbor? Anything else that worried you before you saw her actually aggress on this baby?

FORD: No, ma`am. I really don`t know her. You know, she didn`t live across the street from me. She was just visiting.

SCHACHER: Yes, they think she was homeless. In fact, the homeowner said she showed up one day and they were acquaintances but she just showed up. He bought some clothing for the baby and some food then she ended end leaving.

But I want to make a very important point because nowadays, before the media would have the power to expose people and pressure the police. Now we have the power. We see in this incident that you were able to show this video on Facebook and hence get the police involved.

PINSKY: Erica, I want to give you last thought. You look very stricken by this story. You got about 20 seconds.

AMERICA: Yes. Sure.

I just wanted to say I really think that the police should have spoken to him, looked at the video to see. It reminded me of the infamous lapel video where they didn`t listen to the 911 tape.

So, Sam, I agree with you completely. The fact he put it on Facebook led to the events that got this woman off the streets.

PINSKY: All right. So, to summarize, Corey, first of all, thank you for what you did and thank you for joining us. Again, reminder for all of us, there`s new -- it`s not all bad that things are being recorded. It`s little uncomfortable and it is a double-edged sword. We`ve got to get used to it.

But the fact there are phones recording, there are things in hotel elevators and surveillance video out there. They can be useful. We can help people with these tools.

And later, remember this. You`re going to actually hear from the so- called pushy skateboard dad. He, himself.

Next, we will look at whether or not using a cell phone provoked a big kid to shove a small teacher. It`s an intense story. Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The student/teacher confrontation at Nimitz High lasts for less than a minute and ends with the veteran teacher, who is substituting lay out on the floor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (BLEEP).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Beverly Round is back home and on the mend after being treated for minor injuries.

BEVERLY ROUND, TEACHER: I`m all right. Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All dean ISD school officials say, Round, confiscated a cell phone from the 16-year-old boy seen on the footage pushing her before knocking her down to the floor to get the phone back.

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DR. DREW PINSKY, DR. DREW ON CALL HOST: I`m back with Vanessa, Sam, Michelle, and Loni. And this is a story you told us about on Facebook. I want to thank our Facebook friend, Deborah Willis, for alerting to us this story. And it turned out to be the story you tweeted about most today. The 66-year-old substitute teacher, who reportedly undergone two recent knee surgeries was treated after the incident, and is released as you saw in that tape. The student, however, was arrested and charged with injury to the elderly.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, DR. DREW ON CALL CO-HOST: Good.

PINSKY: Loni, what is that, injury to the elderly? It`s just an assault, right?

LONI COOMBS: It is an assault, but there are special allegations for older victim or younger victim because obviously, they`re more vulnerable. She just had two knee operations. My mom just had one of her knees done, and you`re so unsteady at that point, and careful when you walk. And when he pushes her, over and over again until she goes down, he`s so lucky she didn`t hit her head, that she doesn`t have some serious type of injury from what he did to her. All over a cell phone.

SCHACHER: Yeah.

PINSKY: Michelle, one of the questions we`re asking ourselves tonight is, again, the double-edged sword of all these cell phones and social media. Is it good that this was recorded or was that egging this guy on?

MICHELLE FIELDS: No, I mean, I think in the end it ended up being a good thing, because you have evidence now showing that this person did this horrible thing. But a lot of people are looking at this and they`re acting as if this is this huge epidemic. What this kid did was disgusting. But this wasn`t an epidemic. For every terrible video of a young person being mean to a teacher, there is a story about a teacher being awful to a student. What the problem is that social media now is able to turn the story into a huge national story. But I don`t think it`s an epidemic. This is just a terrible kid and it was caught on camera.

SCHACHER: Vanessa, you agree is just we`re seeing more of it because of social media?

VANESSA BARNETT: I think we`re seeing more of it because of social media. But let`s be honest. These kids nowadays, they are a little more disconnected. There isn`t that.

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FIELDS: That`s what every generation says.

BARNETT: I think it`s way worse nowadays. I really think that there`s a disconnect -- there`s no empathy, like when I was growing up you respected your elders. Men didn`t push women down.

FIELDS: Oh, my gosh.

BARNETT: And you respected authority. There was none of that -- and even the kids in the classroom, they are laughing, no one thinks that this is a problem, like, I didn`t graduate that long ago.

FIELDS: Every generation had bad kids. Every generation had bad kids. Now, we didn`t have videos recording it.

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BARNETT: Yeah. And every generation it gets worse.

PINSKY: And Michelle.

BARNETT: It gets worse.

PINSKY: To your point.

FIELDS: That`s what every generation says.

PINSKY: Hang on, ladies. To your point, Michelle. We have a report from an insider about the student and it`s not the students that are the problem, it turns out. Sam`s mom is a teacher.

SCHACHER: Oh, I`m glad we`re talking about this.

PINSKY: Going to bring it up?

SCHACHER: Yes, you can bring it up. I had a conversation with my mom who`s been a fourth grade teacher for almost 30 years.

PINSKY: Yep.

SCHACHER: And I asked her, I said, what have you seen change over the years? And she said that more and more she`s seen parents make excuses for their children`s bad behavior. They`re just enabling the kids, and this is what we`re seeing.

PINSKY: So, enabling parents.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Enabling parents. That goes sort of with all the trophies and ribbons. Everything we only have perfect children. All of our children are perfect, right, Loni?

COOMBS: Yes, exactly. And It`s so interesting, Dr. Drew, the people that write to me about my book, many are teachers saying I wish the parents of my students would read this book, because they`re doing this to their children and it shows up in the classroom. It`s so much harder to teach the kids because they expect their parents to come in and do everything for them. And not have any consequences for their bad behavior.

SCHACHER: It`s such a disservice. And another little note is this week that this happened, this was teacher appreciation week at the school. Can you believe that? Good way to show appreciation to your substitute teacher. This kid is a jerk.

PINSKY: And Vanessa, does that settle your (inaudible)? It`s -- we`ll put it on the parents, how about that?

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BARNETT: Yeah. My parents thought me better.

PINSKY: All right, Michelle, hold on. Vanessa? Michelle? You with that?

FIELDS: Yeah. I agree with that but don`t make it seem like the millennials are a terrible generation or that it`s all the young people. Every generation had bad apples.

BARNETT: And it gets worse, sweetie, I`m telling you. I`m not far removed from it. I am -- we are very close to age.

FIELDS: The `60s weren`t so great, either.

COOMBS: You guys had some bad apples then.

PINSKY: We`re going to leave it there. We`re going to leave it there. I agree with what everyone`s saying. I got sort of nothing more to say about this. We`ve said it all.

Next up, remember the dad, who pushed the kid down a skateboard ramp? He is now speaking publicly and so is the wife. We`ll be on this story after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The channel 4 newsroom was flooded with calls and e-mails this weekend about this Instagram video that`s gone viral. It shows a father apparently kicking his child down a ramp at a skate park. This is the ramp where the incident in question happened. The skate park owner tells us that it`s 13 feet here from the top all the way down to the bottom.

MARTIN RAMOS, SKATE PARK OWNER: It`s hard to look at. I mean, you see something like that and it takes your breath way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because of the viral video, DCS is looking into the family.

JUDY HO: This dad like so many parents is using their kid to work out their own issues and their own unforgotten and unachieved dreams.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Loni, Michelle and the outspoken Judy Ho there, who`s yelling at the dad. That video has been viewed on YouTube over 100,000 times and that dad is now saying this was a bonehead decision. He and his wife spoke today on Today Show on NBC. Take a look.

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MARCUS CROSSLAND, FATHER OF DINO CROSSLAND: It was an effort to help him, but it didn`t come across that way. Sorry that I made that decision to use that tactic as opposed to another. Sorry for the outcome because of a decision I made, my wife and my children and everybody`s got to deal with it.

EMILY CROSSLAND, MOTHER OF DINO CROSSLAND: He`s a really great dad. He loves his children. He loves his family. He`s a hard worker. And he`s an all-around good person. You can be the most amazing, kind-hearted, giving person in the world. All it takes is that two seconds and people will hate you.

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PINSKY: And the dad also told NBC news that he has lost his job over this incident. The family is having to move and they`re having to start their lives over. Now, Judy, are you reacting to that?

SCHACHER: I feel bad about that.

PINSKY: That`s right.

SCHACHER: I do. I do. And I know that he made a bonehead decision. I know that he possibly could have hurt his child. But to know that now, he`s lost his job and they have to move and it`s affecting his child and his wife, it makes me feel bad for them.

PINSKY: It makes me actually angry, Judy Ho. You had zero sympathy for this guy. And I agree with you on that, but now, the mob has formed in social media and it has actually actively harmed the entire family. Are we to sit by and just let that happen?

HO: Well, we can`t control what happens around him after he does such an action like this. People are always watching out because we have social media. And maybe he needed to learn this harsh lesson so, he doesn`t do it again because you know what, at the bottom -- at the end of the day, parents have to have their child`s best interest in mind first. When you become a parent, it is not about you anymore. And maybe he did need to learn this harsh lesson. I don`t think he should be punished after this, but maybe he needed to get this far before he changes his feelings.

PINSKY: All right. I don`t disagree with you, however, Loni, the fact that moms are able to harm people and -- and by the way, they`re making the life worse for the mom and his kid.

COOMBS: And the son.

PINSKY: That`s right. And I mean, aren`t people thinking about what they`re doing before they act out? And by the way, by the way, the park -- the skate park owner told us that he was being threatened and his life was changing.

SCHACHER: What?

PINSKY: Yes.

FIELDS: Ridiculous.

COOMBS: Yeah. You know, Dr. Drew, you`re hitting a very important point here and that is, the people on social media are so ready to find something to jump on board with, all the hits watching this video. And they are. They want to find a target and go after it. That mob mentality. That pack mentality of take them down, take them down. Not thinking what`s in the best interest for the child who everybody is supposedly standing up for? To, you know, to make the dad lose his job where they have to move. This is really changing that poor boy`s life.

FIELDS: Oh, cry me a river.

PINSKY: Oh, Michelle.

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COOMBS: I`m not crying a river for the dad. I`m crying the river for the son. I don`t think he should have to have his entire life changed because his dad made a mistake.

PINSKY: Michelle, I`m surprised at you.

FIELDS: I can`t believe you guys are calling this a boneheaded decision. This is not a boneheaded decision.

SCHACHER: We were using his words. Those were his words. Dangerous. We we`re using his words.

FIELDS: Can I talk? Can I talk? This man was not trying to teach him a lesson. He makes it seem as though he was trying to teach his son something. If you look at the video, he`s angry, he has his hands on his hips. He kicks him, he walks away and never looks to see what happened to the son. This is a man who probably has abused his loved ones before except this time he was caught on camera. I have no sympathy whatsoever. I think child services needs to go over there and investigate this family right away. But a boneheaded decision? It`s abuse.

FIELDS: I hold, Michelle -- a mob never forms on social media and directs its attention toward you. It`s unpleasant. Go ahead.

HO: I`m not blessing the mob mentality here.

FIELDS: No one is making him move away. He has to move away because he made a bad decision. He abused his child. And now, he`s trying to get sympathy? I have no sympathy whatsoever.

HO: I don`t want to hear the character piece, Dr. Drew. I don`t want to hear the sob story. I want to hear how he`s going to correct these mistakes from now on. Instead of him doing these self-pitying things and having everybody jump on board with that.

PINSKY: Let`s see.

SCHACHER: I feel bad for the son and wife.

PINSKY: Yeah.

SCHACHER: Not him. The son and the wife.

PINSKY: So, we`re split panel here. Michelle and Judy are very strong in their opinion. The other three of us, Loni, you`re sort of in between there, aren`t you?

COOMBS: Yeah. I`m not saying this is just a bonehead. I agree with everything. I think this was his anger, and he was walking -- he was not teaching. This is a horrible thing, but I`m saying think about the son. What`s happening to him.

PINSKY: That`s what I said. So, here`s the deal.

FIELDS: He could have died.

PINSKY: But here`s the deal. Nobody.

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FIELDS: He could have died and you guys are sad because people on Twitter are saying mean things about him.

PINSKY: No, that`s not true. That`s not true.

SCHACHER: What are you talking about? You`re twisting it.

PINSKY: That`s not true. No one is excusing this guy`s behavior.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

PINSKY: No one is saying that the things that are being said on social media are inappropriate. What I`m saying, as usual, as I`ve been saying lately, is as citizens of social media, do we really want to mob, gather as a mob and act out on the families such that we make the life worse for the very child we`re trying to protect? That`s the issue. We just need to think about it. That`s all I`m saying.

Next up, lucky to be alive. Wait until you see what happened to this little girl. Police were chasing a suspect and something -- you won`t believe it. You`ll have to watch that video.

Reminder, find us any time on Instagram @drdrewhln. Be right back after this.

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CASSIDY WALL: I`m scared of cars.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eight year old Cassidy was riding her scooter just outside her home when 29th in German Street, when a car fleeing police hit a parked car which then crashed into her sending her flying.

WALL: I fell and I flew in the air and landed on my head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ll notice 5-year-old Zamaya on the steps was able to get out of the way just in time. If she would have been on the ground a second earlier, she would have been hit by the car as well. The entire family is traumatized by this incident.

WALL: When I saw the video, every time I thought about it, I started crying.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Erica, Vanessa, Leeann. I don`t know about -- for sure, that family, that little girl, I`m traumatized watching that video. It`s unbelievable. So, I guess my question, first off to the panel is, Erica, you know, there are videos everywhere now. Somebody goes through a highly traumatic experience. Should they actively avoid being re-exposed to the video of their trauma?

ERICA AMERICA: Well, that`s a good question. I didn`t think of it that way. But, you know, she definitely should be in some type of therapy, because I heard she didn`t want to be playing on her scooter anymore. She didn`t want to be around. But I would say probably watching the video wouldn`t seem to be a positive idea. But the one thing I did want to say.

PINSKY: Please, go ahead.

AMERICA: OK. Is that I know this is going to probably get a lot of, you know, conflict, but because this kid was 18 and I hear -- I don`t know about you, but in my area, just so many accidents, fatal accidents, four kids at a time of these kids being killed. I know my 16-year-old self wouldn`t want to hear this, but maybe raising the driver age just a little bit, not necessarily to 21.

PINSKY: Well, that`s being discussed. That`s being actually discussed.

AMERICA: But to slow down the process, because 17-year-old`s brains are not ready to make the decisions well.

LEEANN TWEEDEN: How about not running away from the cops while you`re at it?

BARNETT: Thank you. It`s more about him evading the police officer than it is about him being too young to drive. At 18, you can do a lot of things. You can fight for your country. So, yes, you can drive. I don`t think the age needs to be changed. The problem here that he is evading police officers, he`s a criminal, and he is endangering the lives of other people`s children, this is crazy. And the police, we need to have more -- if we want to change anything, we need to decide when and where we do these high-speed chases. Not residential areas, and not when it`s some bonehead little boy who has a marijuana charge. Like, take these rapists and these murders off the streets and chase them down. Don`t kill my kid because you want to drive through a neighborhood.

TWEEDEN: That one 18-year-old driver has 22 counts against him. It wasn`t just marijuana and drugs. There was, like, firearms, there`s, you know, attempted murder. I mean, there are a lot of different things that was on his rap sheet. But, you know, the one thing that you think of that your children are going to be safe is in front of your home.

PINSKY: Yes.

TWEEDEN: That car almost -- it was so close to taking out the second child as well.

PINSKY: And killing this one.

TWEEDEN: And that video, it`s so traumatic to me to watch that. And to know that it`s a child. Thank God that we know that she`s OK. She had a slight concussion. But that -- she could have died right there.

PINSKY: Absolutely.

TWEEDEN: We are wanting something really traumatic.

AMERICA: It`s a miracle.

SCHACHER: To your point, Leeann, you know, what we heard earlier is both of them are now scared to play outside and watch cars go by them. So, Dr. Drew, what do they need to do in order to hopefully get over this traumatic event?

PINSKY: Well.

SCHACHER: So, it doesn`t always haunt them playing outside and the cars.

PINSKY: The first and foremost thing is if a child is really having a strong reaction to get help, get professional help. If you`ve had a serious trauma and you`re having symptoms, nightmares and recurrent thoughts of the event that can go on and become a chronic post traumatic stress disorder if you don`t deal with it early. So, let`s get the kid evaluated. And really - - the probability is she won`t have chronic problems. This was an acute stress response, and it`s appropriate. And I`m not sure I want her playing outside the house anymore. If I were the parent I`d be the one having the post traumatic stress. I would be pulling her inside, and we have to deal with the parents as well not being too protective after they`ve been through something like this. It can change the trajectory of her entire life, but this one was less about social media. Thank God we can all look at it and talk about it and more about the people that are reckless in our society and whether or not the police should be chasing them through our neighborhoods.

Next up, a naked man barricades himself under a house. We`ll examine why and show you more of the raw footage and talk to somebody who witnessed it. Be right back.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on out, Joe. You don`t want the people coming with the dog, seriously. Come on out, Joe. We`re going to help you, Joe. We`re all friends here. Sheet. Sheet. Sheet. Good job, Joe. Good job, Joe.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam and our behavior bureau, Judy, Leeann and Erica. L.A. fire-fighters responding to a behavioral emergency, a naked man barricaded himself in a crawl space under an apartment building. We will talk to the man who shot that video in just a second. It`s gone completely viral. So, what do we think this is, Judy?

HO: I think this is somebody who is actively in a psychotic state probably from drugs and alcohol, just like that.

PINSKY: Why drugs and alcohol? He looked a little strange for drugs and alcohol to me.

HO: I think it is because of the fact that he`s so, I guess separated from reality, and because.

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PINSKY: So, organic. It seems so organic.

HO: Yeah, it does.

PINSKY: Erica, you agree?

AMERICA: Yeah. I mean, I said, of course, first we have to, you know, rule out drugs or come, but if not, then definitely a psychotic state. I mean, there was a report he was nonsensical, he wasn`t making sense. He wasn`t making sense when he was brought out. But I`m just glad -- I mean, that was an alarming situation, because they didn`t know if he was going to try to harm himself while he was in that small place. If he was gonna commit suicide, but they got him out.

TWEEDEN: Did you hear him grunting as they pulled him out? I mean, he sounded animalistic. I mean, think about it. L.A. urban search and rescue, I`m sure they didn`t think when they would be doing their job that they`d be looking for a naked man under a crawl space.

PINSKY: Well, they were thinking about that, but you`d be amazed how often these things happen. Sam, when you go into a psychiatric hospital, that kind of very bizarre behavior, grunting and acting violent, that`s all very common stuff in a locked unit.

SCHACHER: Yeah. How many times that we reported on this in last couple of months?

PINSKY: Right.

SCHACHER: I mean, there have been five different stories where people showed up in public places naked. But you mentioned that it could have been drugs. So, what drugs would make people.

PINSKY: Stimulants.

SCHACHER: What drug?

PINSKY: Like, methamphetamine can make people extremely psychotic sometimes, but -- and sometimes even alcohol can -- if you have liver disease can take you to a strange place. But I`ve got my phone here, Howard Raishbrook, he is the photographer who took the video. Howard, can you tell us exactly what you saw.

HOWARD RAISHBROOK, SHOT VIDEO OF THE NAKED MAN`S RESCUE: Yeah. The original call came out as a disturbance and disturbances come out all the time so generally I won`t respond to those, and 30 seconds later the urban search and rescue team got dispatched for a naked man underneath a building. And I was close by and I showed up. The urban search and rescue team were already there getting ready to go underneath. They formulated a plan. And I spoke to some of the neighbors and they were saying he was acting quite crazy.

PINSKY: And this is something new for him? They didn`t know him to have these sorts of problems before?

RAISHBROOK: I honestly don`t know that. I would imagine that he, you know, he`d been in that state before.

PINSKY: Well, sometimes it can be an organic psychosis, people who get it from infections or metabolic problems or brain.

SCHACHER: Really?

PINSKY: Oh, yeah.

SCHACHER: This would have been their very first incident?

PINSKY: Sometimes. Leeann, typically this kind of thing takes about two, three days to sort out in the hospital before you can arrive at a diagnosis. Lots of things that have to be done before you can figure these things out. It`s not one of the things where you can look at it and go, that`s manic psychosis very readily.

SCHACHER: Interesting.

TWEEDEN: I mean, I think that the guy -- the first guy that actually went under the crawl space to go to him, I mean, that took a lot of balls because he doesn`t know if that guy was going to hurt himself, going to hurt him and you`re in a tiny confined space.

PINSKY: Yeah, but these guys know how to do this. Judy, you agree?

HO: Absolutely. And I think that the fire-fighters acted very well in this situation. They`ve seen this many times as you`ve said, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes. Many times.

HO: And they know what to do.

PINSKY: All right. Now, finally tonight I have a picture from a fire- fighter, Tim Bergen. Did I pronounce his name right? He`s gotten more than 30,000 likes and 4,000 shares on Facebook. He was fighting the Cocos Fire just north of San Diego and took a selfie to let his wife and three kids know he was OK. A local restaurant posted the picture on their Facebook page and off it went to the viral video world.

SCHACHER: Yeah.

PINSKY: Which we`re so used to. But here at least now finally, we`ve been ambivalent about social media tonight. Here is a nice positive story out of social media.

SCHACHER: Thank goodness. Thank goodness.

TWEEDEN: Our fire-fighters, our first responders. All of these people who when we`re running away from something, they`re running to it for us. Thank you to all those firemen.

PINSKY: Absolutely. Social media was a reminder for us to be thankful and to be -- and to thank those of us, that if you know these people, please thank them correctly. Forensic Files, begins now.

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