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DR. DREW
Cops: Moviegoer Killed for Texting; Bieber Behaving Badly; Mayor "Swarmed" At Toronto Hotspot; Child Taken From Home
Aired January 13, 2014 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, breaking news. Did texting lead to murder in a movie theater?
Plus, a woman high on meth takes a police car for a joy ride. The dashcam video you have to see to believe.
And Justin Bieber behaving badly. Spitting in a neighbor`s face, throwing eggs at his house, hear what the alleged victim has to say.
NEIGHBOR: Yes, come right over here you (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Call the cops.
PINSKY: Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening.
My co-host is attorney and SiriusXM radio host Jenny Hutt.
And coming up, you just saw a Justin Bieber behaving badly. He may be facing vandalism charges for allegedly, Jenny, throwing eggs and taunting his neighbor, throwing eggs at the neighbor`s house.
JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: Yes, he`s like a naughty 12-year-old. He needs to grow up. Go on.
PINSKY: Well, that`s what we`re going to discuss.
But first, a man is dead after an argument over a cell phone and texting in the movie theater got out of hand. Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They started arguing again about the cell phone. The guy who was shot said something, I just was texting my daughter, 3- year-old daughter, three seconds, four seconds later, the argument starts again. The fellow that`s shot gets up, starts talking with the guy who was the shooter, OK, their voices start going up. There seems to be almost a confrontation, somebody throws popcorn. I`m not sure who threw the popcorn, then bang he was shot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, that`s the guy`s blood that you have all over you there?
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PINSKY: Yes, indeed. That was the victim`s blood.
Now, we have investigative reporter and WOR radio host Rita Cosby joining us with the latest.
So, Rita, is it as ridiculous as it sounds?
RITA COSBY, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via telephone): It certainly does seem that way, Dr. Drew. Two couples were involved in the deadly shooting at the Florida movie theater all over what seems to be someone using their cell phone before an afternoon showing of the film "Lone Survivor."
Now, the alleged shooter is a retired Tampa police captain, 71-year- old Curtis Reeves. Moviegoers said the two couples were arguing when the show was still in previews. The -- at first verbal fighting was over one guy being loud on his cell phone and texting. The couple started throwing popcorn at each other, then one guy behind the one texting got up, presumably to get a manager. He came back alone after a few minutes. The argument again ensued.
And the retired cop then allegedly took out his gun and shot the other patron who said, as you just heard, that he was texting his 3-year- old daughter.
Now, 43-year-old Chad Olson`s wife put her hand over her husband and that`s when Reeves allegedly fired his weapon striking Nicole Olson in the hand and her husband in the chest. Both were taken to a nearby hospital where he died. Her injuries are considered not life threatening, thank goodness.
The shooter, the ex-cop, is in custody. And just a few minutes ago, he was charged with second degree murder tonight, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Rita -- wow -- Rita, thank you so much. So crazy.
Joining us to discuss, Laura Lake, attorney and judge of Paternity Court, new to our show, Sean Klitzner, social commentator, Loni Coombs, former prosecutor and author of "You`re Perfect and Other Lies Parents Tell", and Greg Grunberg, actor from "Heroes" and "Big Ass Spider" and the creator, mind you, of the free mobile coupon app Yowza. That`s right.
Laura Lake, I`m going to go to you first. What is -- what is your take on this crazy story? This is just such a ridiculous tragedy.
LAURA LAKE, ATTORNEY: It`s ridiculous. Four words: sad, sick, scary, senseless.
What in the world is going on now? We can`t dialogue? We can`t get through an argument? You can`t text when the credits are on to let your child`s sitter know that, you know, hey, I`m going to turn my phone off with the movie?
There`s a problem in this country right now. People are irrational. They`re too quick to violence and I`m telling you right now, if we do not start dealing with this issue, we`re going to see this over and over again. It`s too much, Dr. Drew. It`s too much!
PINSKY: Yes, and this is --
GREG GRUNBERG, ACTOR: Wait.
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PINSKY: Well, Greg, is that what we`ve been seeing over and over again, which is these mass murders, people who have mental health issues, and are being properly taken care of, this is a cop. He should know how to handle a firearm and how to handle a fight, right?
GRUNBERG: Exactly, no. This is absurd.
By the way, this is why I do TV and not film. Movie theaters are too dangerous.
I have to tell you, this is -- it`s shocking to me that we`re even talking about anything other than mental illness and gun control. What is this? The old West? This is the way we handle things?
My son was watching this, unfortunately, saw this on the news. I mean, our world is getting so scary, and this is an example of where somebody thinks they can take the law into their own hands.
He was -- he was a sheriff or he was a cop. It`s ridiculous and it frightens me.
PINSKY: That`s what it`s so hard to understand.
And, Sean, it`s Florida again. Is there something going on in Florida that we don`t know?
SEAN KLITZNER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: It`s the water. It`s definitely the water in Florida. Every single thing happens in my home state.
You know, I love -- Greg, I love you, man, but I feel like it`s getting a little dramatic here. To be honest with you, yes, we`re going to probably have metal detectors in movie theaters coming very up soon, but really what`s going on here is ego on ego. People try to puff up their chest, at the end of the day when you have a gun in your pocket, that`s the ego that`s going to win.
I just wish I could --
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KLITZNER: Which is, people are crazy in this world. People are nuts. So you have to kind of take that grocery store apology -- people are crazy all around. It doesn`t matter where you are.
PINSKY: A young man dies --
KLITZNER: People are crazy in Florida.
PINSKY: I`m going to ask Loni if it has something to do with our preoccupation of our communicative devices. A young man died after diving into the Chicago River to retrieve a cell phone. Two others trying to save him. One is in hospital, the other is missing and presumed dead.
Loni, is this are we evaluating this from the wrong perspective? Is this our crazy preoccupation with our phones that we can`t even turn them off in a theater for a few minutes, or if we lose them in the river, we`re going to risk our life to get it?
LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes, right. Yes, life without our phone isn`t enough.
PINSKY: Is it worth living?
LONI: I think we`re all very -- yes, exactly. And I think we are addicted to our phones. I`ll be honest, I have lived most my adult life without my phone, but I`m so addicted to it now that I leave home without my phone, I feel vulnerable without having it next to me. So, I can call someone, or check on something.
But I don`t think that`s really the story here in the movie theater because, look, this was at the beginning of the credits. I think that`s extremely rude and that guy is beyond comprehension. But this was during the previews. This wasn`t during the movie. He was texting his daughter to say, hey, we`re going to be in the movie, we`re not available. That seems like OK behavior. Turn your phone off and watch the movie.
HUTT: Guys --
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HUTT: Can you imagine when they allow phones on airplanes? Let`s start with that. And second of all --
PINSKY: I can`t wait.
HUTT: It`s justified in any way that if he`d answered the phone or using the phone during the actual movie, it would have been OK?
COOMBS: No. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
PINSKY: We`re saying that -- I think it`s Greg`s point -- Greg`s point is if you`re texting during a movie, then you kill the guy. That`s what Greg -- right, Greg?
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GRUNBERG: Right, exactly. That was my point.
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GRUNBERG: Why does he bring a weapon into a theater?
PINSKY: Loni?
COOMBS: Right, in the theater.
Why do you carry a gun into the theater and where do you keep it on your body? I mean, if you carry a gun and you`re sitting for two hours, it`s not comfortable to have it in your waistband, in your back unless it`s in your ankle. I wonder if when he left to movie theater and people think he went to go talk to the manager did he actually go get the gun at that point. He didn`t enter with the gun and maybe brought it back when he saw he was in a dispute with this guy.
And what are we coming to when that`s your resolution to a verbal dispute? You can`t move seats? You can move to another -- you have to pull out a gun and shoot the person?
PINSKY: Yes, Laura, last thoughts.
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LAKE: My last thought is what about throwing popcorn is a reasonable deadly threat where you have to shoot somebody? Nothing else happened. The popcorn got thrown. I want to know --
PINSKY: So, you`re right. We`re learning something from this story. A, you can kill somebody if they interrupt a movie. Throwing popcorn, boy, that`s a deadly threat.
And the texting, the cell phone itself is something that`s so important we need to risk our life should we lose it or it becomes endangered in any way. Great story.
Next up, Justin Bieber, toxic neighbor? We`ll get to the bottom of it with someone who actually knows.
And later, what happens when you gross methamphetamine with a hijacked police car. We`ll show you. Look at that.
Back after this.
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny Hutt.
Justin Bieber has a history of bad behavior. Now, we`ve got a new story. He allegedly vandalized a neighbor`s house, scaring the heck out of a 13-year-old girl.
Go ahead, Jenny. What do you think?
HUTT: I just don`t understand it. Why would he be doing this, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: Well, take a look. He gets pretty intense. Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Has he gone off the rails? He`s egging neighbors` houses now?
PINSKY: TMZ obtained this exclusive video.
NEIGHBOR: Hey, you (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
JUSTIN BIEBER (allegedly): I got another one for you after these.
NEIGHBOR: Yes, come right over here you (EXPLETIVE DELETED)! Call the cops.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bieber`s bad boy behavior. "The Daily Beast" declares it Bieber`s year of affluenza.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He scrapped with photographers.
BIEBER: What did you say? What did you say?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And showed up two hours late for a concert. In Brazil, he was caught partying at a reported brothel and accused multiple times of speeding.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kelly Osbourne took to Instagram to brag about her new skills, he posted a pic showing the two in front of a painted wall. The caption read, "Just had so much fun getting lessons from Justin Bieber on how to spray paint."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He caused an international incident by leaving behind a pet monkey.
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PINSKY: Time to bring in our behavior bureau with Samantha Schacher, social commentator, host of Pop Trigger on the Young Turks Network, Tiffanie Davis Henry, psychotherapist and HLN contributor, Wendy Walsh, psychologist and author of "The 30-Day Love Detox", and Greg Grunberg is still with us.
And if you want to join the conversation, you can tweet us right now @DrDrewHLN, #behaviorbureau.
So, Dax, I understand we have a little technical problem getting you on the phone here. But, Dax Holt from TMZ, are you there?
DAX HOLT, TMZ REPORTER (via telephone): Yes, I`m here.
PINSKY: There you go. So, thanks for joining us.
What -- is this just sort of delayed -- like he`s immature delayed development because of the kind of life he`s lived? Dax, I know for sure you threw eggs at somebody`s house at one time of your life?
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HOLT: I was more of a (INAUDIBLE), not so much of an egger.
PINSKY: OK.
HOLT: I don`t think it`s necessarily about him being delayed. I think it`s obviously him being a teenager, but I think it`s also him being someone that`s young, very powerful and very rich and thinks that he can get away with anything they do because he`s never really had any consequences.
You`ve got to keep in mind that this is the same neighbor that he had a spitting incident with, you know, a couple months back. So, they`ve been going to war for quite some times. They obviously have some issues with each other.
And Justine thinks, hey, I can walk across the street, I chuck some eggs at this guy`s house and be fine with it.
And that`s just not the case. The cops are now investigating. They asked this neighbor to get an estimate of how much damage was caused by the eggs.
And to come to find out, this was $20,000 worth of damage he had done with the eggs. This fancy Venetian plaster across the front of the house that they now have to redo the whole thing, redo the entryway.
And because it`s over $400, that`s a felony.
PINSKY: Well, Dax, stay with us. I want to keep this conversation going.
Samantha, you had your hand up there. But, you know, if you`re a 16- year-old, I mean, $20,000 not a big deal to this kid. You were 16-year-old throwing eggs, people go, oh, it was a 16-year-old.
Why so different here?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Because, Dr. Drew, if this was just one isolated incident, the egging, yes, maybe we could cut him some slack and say, listen, we`ve all been teenagers, we`ve all done things we regret.
But there`s a pattern of behavior here, a really disrespectful, sometimes dangerous behavior. When he`s speeding in these neighborhoods of over 100 miles per hour, there`s kids that live and play in these neighborhoods. When he`s spitting allegedly on a neighbor, that is disgusting -- even him going into a nightclub and peeing in a bucket for the employees at that establishment to have to clean up his urine after him, that`s dick behavior.
I`m sorry, you`re a dick. And I think he surrounds himself with people that enable him and also engage in this behavior. He needs to come back down to planet Earth and humble himself.
PINSKY: Tiffanie, I think you love that colorful language.
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: I love it. I mean, the more the merrier. I love Sam. Every time she opens her mouth, I`m more in love with her every day.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
HENRY: I think you know not every kid is mature, is mentally prepared, is grounded enough to handle this kind of thing.
And, actually, Jenny said something at the beginning of the show that I want to go back to. She said that Justin was acting like a naughty 12- year-old. And 12 is actually when he was discovered.
PINSKY: Yes. Interesting.
HENRY: I feel like when you have to be an adult at 12 years old, when you get into your adulthood, that 12-year-old is going to show back up. And 12 is a pretty good egg to start egging houses. And I think we`re seeing a lot of very immature behavior from him.
GRUNBERG: No, no, but at 12, Dr. Drew, at 12 is when you`re supposed to have parents and people around you or someone to stop you, someone to say no.
WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: What do you mean he had a rapper raising him, didn`t he?
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GRUNBERG: What was that? This is a prime example --
WALSH: Didn`t he have a rapper raising him?
GRUNBERG: -- of a kid who has -- who has all the money in the world. He`s incredibly talented, incredibly good looking. He could be doing such good work, and instead he`s egging somebody`s house.
Now, let me just say something. I am very good friends -- this goes back to like junior high school with this guy that everybody keeps calling this guy, Jeff Schwartz (ph). He`s a really --
PINSKY: Greg?
GRUNBERG: Yes.
PINSKY: Greg, I want to show the rest of the video from TMZ, the interaction between Jeff and Justin, then you tell me what the inside scoop is, OK?
All right. Here we go. Show that video.
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NEIGHBOR: Come on over. Oh, no, that`s real good, buddy. Yes, you`re a big (EXPLETIVE DELETED) man, aren`t you?
NEIGHBOR`S DAUGHTER: Oh, my God.
NEIGHBOR: You`re a big (EXPLETIVE DELETED) man. Come back over here you little (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
NEIGHBOR`S DAUGHTER: Hi, I`d like to place an assault --
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PINSKY: So, Greg, you hear this 13-year-old, that daughter that`s completely traumatized by this whole thing.
GRUNBERG: Yes, that`s his daughter. She`s really good friends with my son. My son`s over at the house all the time. I don`t live in that neighborhood.
This is behind double gates. And I know that Justin`s had a problem where he wants to be private. Obviously, that`s why he lives there. And he`s had even people in that community videotaping him.
But this family, I just need to defend my friend for a second, not that anyone`s attacking him. But he`s a really good guy. This is a great family. They share a wall with Justin Bieber.
And Jeff has tried on a couple of occasions just to tell him, look, you can`t do this here. My son could have been one of the people in the street when he was driving 100 miles an hour. He was upstairs studying with his daughter and all of a sudden eggs got pelted at the house. This wasn`t that Jeff was yelling at him and he attacked back. This wasn`t anything that built up.
This was out of to blue Justin decided to blow eggs. Now, Justin Bieber has got security members living at the house that should tell him, dude, you can`t do this.
So, this one is on videotape. This one is going to take him down, unfortunately, because there`s evidence. That`s why Jeff couldn`t call in and talk on the show. The D.A. is really coming down on Justin Bieber. Hopefully it will stop him.
PINSKY: One second, Wendy. I can see the look on your face, you`ve got something to say. But we have reached out to Bieber`s representatives and they have not responded to CNN`s request for comments.
Wendy, incredulity written all over your face.
WALSH: We talk about this all the time. Yes, we talk about this all the time. Yes, we talk about this all the time, Dr. Drew.
You put these children in an adult environment that is a land of no- noes where they are nurtured, if you can use that word loosely, by adults who only want the make money off them. Then, these children not going through all the important developmental milestones like peer to peer relationships, et cetera, suddenly become adults where nobody can say no to them. And so, those security guards may not even have the ability to say no to him because he pays them and he could fire them.
SCHACHER: Right.
WALSH: He`s of legal age now and he`s acting like a 12-year-old, and I`m worried we may be seeing a decline in Justin Bieber.
PINSKY: Jenny, go ahead.
HUTT: OK. Dr. Drew, but here`s my question for you and for Wendy and for Tiffanie. What if this is just beyond the mentality of a 12-year- old in a 20-year-old`s body and this is real anger now emerging, that he`s got some real rage that`s coming out --
WALSH: I`m sure it is.
HUTT: in these random places, inappropriate places, these inappropriate places. Is that a possibility?
HENRY: It could be a possibility. Here`s the other thing that I`m thinking about, too, is that what if he can`t say no?
Obviously, if he`s grown up since 12 and has been doing this, he`s probably been supporting a lot of people, he`s probably been paying a lot of bills and put in a very grown-up situation, what if he`s grown up with the idea that I can`t say no. I can`t stop doing this. I have to work, I have to support my family, because if I don`t, who else will? That`s a lot of pressure for someone who is a teenager. I mean, he`s just 19, just 19.
So it`s a lot of pressure for someone.
GRUNBERG: He`s an adult and he`s responsible for his own actions.
HENRY: He 100 percent should be.
GRUNBERG: At what point does somebody on his salary, at what point does somebody on her salary say forget about what money I`m making, even his attorneys, he`s gone to doing a wrong, they`re doing a disservice to him and to everyone else.
PINSKY: But that is a great --
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PINSKY: Wendy, that is so well said.
WALSH: Excellent point.
PINSKY: That`s the very point, if I could have the camera here a little bit, that these days there are people that are surrounded by people who are interested in the access of the celebrity. They`re not interested in the celebrity as a human being. If somebody in that inner circle is actually worried about the human being, they would do exactly what Greg is saying.
Thank you, panel.
Next up, a meth addict steals a police car and we are along for a ride.
And later, crack mayor hits the clubs, everybody, this weekend. Now, what is he up to? There he is. He`s out partying.
Back with more on Rob Ford after this.
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PINSKY: Jenny and I welcome you back.
All week, we`re addressing America`s drug problem. We`re calling it "Hooked: The Nation of Addicts."
According to the partnership at DrugFree.org, one in 10 Americans have problems with pills, booze or other substances. Look at this from inside a police cruiser. What it is, is from Tara Axmaker, high on meth, who stabbed a guy in the back. But then when the cops arrived in the scene, she hijacks the police car.
The chase exceeds speeds of over 100 miles an hour. I`m going to show it to you right now. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God. How the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) do you turn the rights on (EXPLETIVE DELETED). We`re on a high speed chase (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Look there`s some stars in the sky. Oh, no, black ice oops.
Went on a high speed chase and got away, got away. We`re one step ahead. Oh, Brad, what road did you take?
Oh, a helicopter. Do we own it? The government. Telemarketing. Telemarketing the new owners.
Doing 90 on the freeway. Police catch me if you can. Tupac. Oh. This is where I went to school, most the time I had better things to do. May baby, what goes around comes back around I got this. I got this. How`s that porn shop treating ya? Silly rabbit. Tricks are for kids.
Brokeback mountain. Tara Axmaker. Guess what? I`m God and I`m on top of the world. Is there one star in the sigh? There is one star.
Give me a ticket for an airplane, ain`t got time to take a fast train --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hands up.
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PINSKY: Behavior bureau, get in here. Sam, Tiffanie, Wendy and social commentator Leeann Tweeden.
And if you want to join this conversation, tweet us @DrDrewHLN, #behaviorbureau.
Well, Wendy, those of us that have seen psychotic patients in acute manic state, this isn`t that unusual, is it? It`s pretty dramatic.
WALSH: No, not unusual.
PINSKY: It`s a methamphetamine psychosis. There we go.
WALSH: That`s called mania. That`s why people, by the way, with bipolar disorder don`t like to be medicated because the mania part of it feels so darn good.
PINSKY: You hear how high she is, woo, yep.
WALSH: She was definitely -- it just terrifies me to think that one in 10 people are addicted to something, Dr. Drew. A good chunk of them are on the roads and our children are on the roads with them. And this is terrifying to me.
PINSKY: Leeann, you look disbelieving.
LEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, you know, this is a great commercial for why you shouldn`t do drugs.
But first of all, my first thought when I watched that entire 15- minute video was she should get extra years in jail just for singing a Nickelback song.
PINSKY: Hear, hear.
TWEEDEN: But this girl, where are her family? Where are her friends?
I mean, she`s had the rap sheet like, I don`t know, 10 or 12 other charges from the cops over the past year. She stabbed another man in the back in 2010. I`m like, where are the people -- is there anybody around her --
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PINSKY: You`re looking at. Leeann --
HUTT: Oh my God.
TWEEDEN: Look at these mug shots.
PINSKY: Look at the different mug shots.
HUTT: It looks like a salon advertisement.
TWEEDEN: That`s sad and pathetic.
PINSKY: Not only that, and the charges were theft, resisting arrest, assault, DUI, providing false information to police. What kills me -- does anybody else suspect -- Sam, you seem to be having a reaction. I`m suspicious because she sort of looks so innocent that they`re being easy on her.
Does anybody else think that?
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WALSH: I wonder, Dr. Drew, how do you steal a police cruiser while you`re being arrested? They must have thought she was a weak little mouse.
TWEEDEN: But she`s going away for ten years, so that`s not --
PINSKY: Listen, they`re not cracking down on her. They`re saying that she, poor thing, she had a history of sexual abuse her whole life. She had physical abuse, which is true. We should be empathic for that.
But that doesn`t mean we excuse the behavior merely because she was abused as a young girl.
Wendy, my sense is that she needs a lot more consequences brought to bear or she needs to cooperate with treatment.
WALSH: Both.
PINSKY: Both.
WALSH: Yes, she`s screaming for a boundary. She`s screaming for the word no, that`s for sure. And look at -- you know, cases like Robert Downey Jr., it finally worked when the court came in and finally stopped them from hurting themselves.
PINSKY: Sam, what did you want to say?
SCHACHER: I have so much to say. I mean, after I saw that video, I had to take a deep breath and exhalation just because when you watch that video and it`s a dashcam video, you actually feel almost in a video game that you`re behind the wheel. And just to see her go at high speeds and interweaving into oncoming traffic, she`s so lucky she didn`t injure herself or kill anybody else on the road.
And I`m with Leeann. I think this is a great commercial to show everybody out there, this is what will happen to you if you use meth, if you use hard core drugs. And here`s the thing, this woman is a young woman. She`s 25 years old. She could be, if she received treatment, a responsible, healthy, happy person, but you would never know because she`s under the influence of methamphetamines.
PINSKY: And Tiffanie, I know --
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PINSKY: Yes. you got it right. I`m not sure --
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PINSKY: And by the way, what is years in prison necessarily going to do for. But Tiffanie, you`re right. I mean, that`s what we -- I think, ultimately, Tiffanie, we have to do something with somebody like this who`s not cooperating with treatment, wouldn`t you agree?
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right. Yes. You kind of really do have to throw down the hammer, and because this isn`t the first time that she`s done something like this, obviously, stealing the police car was the first time, but it wasn`t the first time that she stabbed someone. This is the second time.
And so, she has to be -- you got to up the ante in terms of the consequences, and there are natural consequences to behaving. You steal a police car, you go on a high-speed chase, you use meth, you stab somebody, you should get time in jail. What really scared me about this -- and I get wanting to do the commercial and I think that`s a great idea, but what scares me is, a lot of times on the weekend, I might be coming in at one o`clock.
And I`m thinking on the other end of that commercial where I`m minding my own business, I haven`t been drinking, I`ve just been out with the movies with my husband, and this car is coming barreling down the road at me. That is so scary, Dr. Drew.
SCHACHER (ph): With no lights on.
HENRY: With no lights! With no lights.
PINSKY: Yes. Well, listen, I wish there were ways we could -- if we could force somebody like this to participate in treatment, if we could hold them in a treatment process, but in this country, unfortunately -- I mean, this segment is called hooked and you`re allowed to use drugs until you die in this country. That`s part of your civil liberties or -
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LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: She had stabbed two people, Dr. Drew. Isn`t that attempted murder.
PINSKY: Yes. You can`t do that. No, you can`t do that. But you can`t force her to not do drugs or take treatment for her drug addiction, which is what`s causing her to be so crazy. In that video, by the way, if you listen to it, that`s super-duper crazy. Let`s call -- you guys normally have lots of colorful language for that. Jenny, what would you call that?
JENNY HUTT, ATTORNEY: I would say she`s cuckoo for cocoa puffs, but I also want to mention, if you look at the mug shots, she`s doing like the duck face in every picture every mug shot. She`s like --
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HENRY: That hair is everything, honey. I wish I had that --
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TWEEDEN: Yes, it`s sideways. She`s doing the duck face. It`s like she`s doing, like hey, I`m cute. this is kind of funny.
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PINSKY: I`m fearful, though, that she gets away with some of this because -- she looks relatively harmless, but this is a very, very, very dangerous person.
All right, guys. Next up, we go clubbing with crack mayor, Rob Ford. Speaking of people get manicky. We will show you pictures. There he is. That`s all manicky kind of behavior. He`s pretending he`s behind the wheel. He`s not actually behind the wheel.
And later, there is a happy ending for a child and the teen mom. There we go. His teen mom, in fact. Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what, I know people party on the side. I know layers, doctors, everybody has a good time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought, wow! This guy`s going to have to go. And then I talk to people in Toronto, and they love him.
TOM GREEN, COMEDIAN: He may be a victim of the cell phone internet culture. You know, here he was trying to be a man of the people. He go out to festivals and bars and have drinks with his constituents. And them what happens is people take advantage of him.
JENNIFER KEITT, RADIO HOST & LIFE COACH: Look at the pictures of him taking photos with children with young folks. And I don`t think that he`s really thinking about the broader ramifications. This saddens me.
DEAN OBEIDALLAH, CONTRIBUTOR, CNN.COM: Maybe they like him. He reminds me of Chris Farley (ph) as a motivational speaker from "Saturday Night Live." That`s what he reminds me of when I see him now. Running around, he`s funny, he`s out of control.
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny Hutt. And Jenny, let me quickly show you a tweet from our last conversation about that crazy -- there we are. "Does the meth woman need jail or treatment?" From Jennifer Long. That`s exactly a great question. I mean, she would benefit from treatment, Jenny, if she would participate.
And if somebody tell me (ph) is not responsible for their illness, they`re responsible for their recovery with these sorts of things. And if she doesn`t cooperate with treatment, then prison. There`s going to be a big hammer that`s brought down. Do you agree?
HUTT: Yes, I do agree. Plus, she also can`t stab people and then stay out of jail and have no consequences.
PINSKY: It`s a good policy. It`s a good policy. I agree --
HUTT: Two guys, yes.
PINSKY: All right. Let`s bring in our panel to talk about the crack mayor, Lauren, Sean, Loni, and Greg. Toronto`s mayor, Rob Ford, cannot resist the camera. He showed over the weekend up at a nightclub. Crowd went crazy. Take a look at these pics. Check out some of them. His fans posted on Instagram. The mayor insisted that the only thing he ordered from the bar was a sugar-free energy drink. My question, I`ll start with Sean, is do you believe that?
SEAN KLITZNER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Do I believe that he had only an energy drink? Absolutely. Let me tell you, I love Rob Ford. I think he should have his own reality show. I would watch it. If it was a daily reality show, I am in. Here`s the thing about Rob Ford. He grew up, in my opinion, my theory, he grew up. He had maybe a want for fame or want for popularity.
He got that by becoming mayor because he couldn`t become an actor or a porn star like he wanted to at one point, I think, now. And now that he has the perks of what it`s like to be popular, he`s taking advantage. So, he`s cooling himself off a little bit. He`s showing the public, hey, re- elect me so that we get more Rob Ford craziness, and I`m all for it.
PINSKY: All right. Greg, what do you make of it?
GREG GRUNBERG, ACTOR: I agree. I think he`s fantastic. I mean, he is Chris Farley for me reincarnated.
HUTT (ph): But he`s not.
GRUNBERG: But let`s face it. Who cares? It`s Canada, number one. And number two, the people of Canada have a real interesting perspective on drugs. I`ve done a couple movies up there. I`ve been to Vancouver. I`ve been on Victoria Island. At night, you walk the wrong way on one of -- it`s beautiful there, right? And then you walk down the wrong street and you`ll step on a hypodermic needle and you`ll see these people that are the walking dead.
They have a huge drug problem in Canada and they don`t know how to deal with it. And I think that because of that, they sort of roll their eyes and gone, oh, he`s funny. Obviously, he`s got a problem. I don`t want him to be my mayor, but I love him. I mean, he`s great TV. He doesn`t hurt anybody.
PINSKY: Lauren, they really -- he`s very popular as a mayor. They like his policies, bottom line.
LAUREN LAKE, ATTORNEY: Look, he might be popular and, you know, this might be strategy. Go with the young folks, you know, go into the bar, show that I can be in a bar and not drink and not come out sloppy drunk and acting crazy, but his behavior and the way he acts and has acted, you know, it`s great for your crazy uncle. That`s endearing.
But for the mayor? I just think there`s a period of time that he needs to stop, regroup and if he wants to run for office later, look, so be it. But give it a time to get yourself together because I just don`t think he`s all the way there yet. And lovable and likable is one thing. Ready to be mayor and to make sound decisions is another.
PINSKY: Loni, last thought.
KLITZNER: I think Canada can do without a mayor and still be successful.
PINSKY: Loni.
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LONI COOMBS, ATTORNEY: -- until he actually has to be elected. The election is not until October. I predict today that in October, he will be elected the next mayor. I mean, he knows how to market himself. If he can stay clean between now and October and he can bond with all the people who -- this is his constituency. They`ll love him, they`ll forgive him, they`ll forget the past, they`ll like his policies, in ten months, he`ll be elected again.
PINSKY: Back to my opening question, I do believe him. People that are binge alcoholics have the sense that they control their relationship with alcohol and they do control for periods of time, but inevitably, it returns and the dots begin getting closer and closer between the episodes of binging, and we`ll see how this plays out especially if he`s still the mayor.
Coming up, is a TV show an effective method of birth control? My thoughts on "Teen Mom: 16 and Pregnant." And a reminder, you can find us on Instagram @DrDrewHLN. Back right after this.
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PINSKY: Back with jenny, Lauren, Greg, and Leeann. And Jenny, you just did a great Mayor Ford imitation.
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PINSKY: Sorry we couldn`t share that with the world. We`re talking about Toronto`s crack mayor. Come on. Go ahead, do it again for us.
HUTT: Yes. I was just doing his dance moves which is (SINGING) turn and turn and drink and drive and drive and drink.
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PINSKY: There he is. There it is. Look how much you capture the songs.
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PINSKY: Who is that?
GRUNBERG: Chris Christie loves this guy, because he`s that --
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GRUNBERG: -- you know, in that political position and he`s stealing some of the news every day away from what`s happening in New Jersey. So, I think, you know, more power to him.
TWEEDEN: I mean, I --
PINSKY: Go ahead, Leann.
TWEEDEN: I can`t believe that he`s going to get re-elected. But, I can`t believe that he`s going to get re-elected, but it`s probably going to happen. He`s obviously going around to the people that vote for him, and if the young kids are voting for him, it`s going to happen. But, I mean, really, that guy, he`s maybe fun to be your next door neighbor, but certainly not your mayor. And -- I mean, his campaign slogan is pretty brilliant, "Ford more years." I did like that. That was pretty clever.
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GRUNBERG: Bubblehead.
PINSKY: He may reconstitute. No one at the club saw him drink a thing. And he said he didn`t drink anything. He doesn`t appear intoxicated. He wasn`t --
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PINSKY: No, I believe him. I believe him that right now, he`s controlling his consumption. But if he`s in there for years more, there will be more trouble ahead. When a reporter --
TWEEDEN: Do you see he`s sweating?
PINSKY: Well, but he`s a big man. He twisted on a reporter again and ask if she`d been drinking and then accused her of being jealous from all the attention he got. Lauren, he`s still deflecting and obfuscating. It`s that same old crazy thinking that`s going to end up in trouble later.
LAKE: He is. He doesn`t think really he`s doing anything wrong or that he`s done anything wrong. And you`re right, Dr. Drew. I agree with you. If he gets another term, we`re going to see more of these crazy antics. I don`t believe he completely has it under control. And look, he might not have had a drink at that club, but he might have had a drink before the club or after it.
PINSKY: Next up --
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GRUNBERG: -- going to a club?
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PINSKY: Listen, alcoholics do that. They try to challenge. Leeann, finish it. Finish it.
TWEEDEN: People are watching too much reality TV. They think this guy is great, it`s funny, it`s reality. No, he`s actually trying to run your city. Don`t vote him in as mayor. It`s completely different to watch crazy antics on TV. Give him his own reality show. Take him out of politics.
PINSKY: And more concerning is he may be really seriously not well and he could end up hurt or hurting somebody else if this continues to evolve, which it inevitably will almost statistically. I mean, it`s possible he could never drink again, but I wouldn`t put my money on that.
Next up, hope and help for this little boy and his teen mom.
HUTT: Yes.
PINSKY: We`ll give you the details on what the latest is on this story we`ve been following. Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You a bitch (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You a bitch (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You throwing a fit right now, little (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pick up that chair, you (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You aint talking that (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you too.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Say bitch (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s why you can`t fight (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re a bitch.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You a ho, (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
TODDLER: You a ho, bitch.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s up then? Say I need some (EXPLETIVE DELETED) today. I`m throwing a fit right now.
TODDLER: Huh?
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny Hutt, Lauren, Greg, and Leeann. The 17-year- old mother of that child -- child`s about three years old, that means she had the child when she was about 14 -- is defending herself in an exclusive interview with CNN affiliate, KETV in Omaha. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They -- about the video because he had a clean diaper, the house was clean. And like they say, kids cuss. Every kid does it. So, he`s a smart little boy. That video wasn`t me. It was a person that came in my house and recorded it. So, for everybody that thinks I`m a bad mother, I`m not. I`m a good mother to my son.
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PINSKY: Kids cuss? Three-year-olds? I can`t believe she was saying that.
GRUNBERG: You got to be kidding me.
PINSKY: The toddler has been removed from the home, but the state is recommending tonight that the mother and the son be allowed to live together in foster care.
HUTT: Good.
PINSKY: The toddler -- well, I agree with you, that is good. The toddler`s dad was killed last year in what police call a gang-related shooting. Greg, she says she`s a good parent.
GRUNBERG: You know, here`s the thing. This is what we`re seeing on a video and she`s making excuses for it. She should be appalled by it if she`s a good mother. She should say, this was an absolutely terrible thing. She should make an excuse or something. I just feel sorry for this child. And I think she does belong with her child, I really do, but not in this environment.
And I just want it to have a happy ending for this situation because kids are sponges. This is what we forget. They are sponges. They don`t know anything unless you give them that information. And this is the kind of information and language that this kid`s growing up around? It`s terrible.
PINSKY: And yet, Leeann, you have a very young son. You can imagine that for the son, him being with the mom is the most important thing even when mom is sort of questionable judgment. Do you agree with her living with the son in foster?
TWEEDEN: I do because I think that`s still the best place for the child. I feel sorry that the child isn`t going to have a father because, like you said, he passed away last year. But when you have a child in an environment that is unsafe, it`s unsafe because last year, bullets were shot through the house and it grazed the child`s foot, the same child.
The grandparents who you would hope that would help this young girl with her son, which a lot of, you know, grandparents do step in when you have a young child that has a young son or daughter, they have a rap sheet. They`ve been put in prison before. I think the attorney or the -- the person who`s helping this family actually got the grandmother out on bail so she could go to this hearing, you know, because they took child protective services took this child out of the home. All around is sad.
PINSKY: Lauren could be adjudicating over a situation like this, what do you think?
LAKE: You know what, Dr. Drew, I see a lot of this dysfunction on "Paternity Court" on my show, here there`s layers of dysfunction, and most importantly, there`s generation dysfunction.
PINSKY: Yes.
LAKE: And so, now, you`ve got this young girl who`s the mother and yet she`s really still a child. She`s trying to be a mother, but she probably doesn`t even know how to be a mother. She thinks she`s a good mother because she hasn`t even witnessed good mothering. So, she thinks being a good mother is doing the best I can with what I have to work with and these are the people that are in my environment.
She has to learn that as a good mother, sometimes, you have to walk away from that environment for your child. And you have to know --
PINSKY: On the phone --
LAKE: -- that because you`re all that child has, it`s counting on you.
PINSKY: Yes. And I`ve got Robert Wagner on the phone. He is assisting the toddler`s family through an organization called N.O.S.E., Keeping North Omaha Safe for Everyone. Robert, you actually took issue with the police organization that had posted this video. Tell me about that.
VOICE OF ROBERT WAGNER, ASSISTING FAMILY: Thanks for having me. First of all, I think it was very unprofessional for the police department to post the video of a toddler and then stigmatize him and label this baby, you know, as a thug. So yes, when you have achieved that goals on camera all the time saying he wants relations between the police and the North Omaha community to be better, you don`t do something like this.
PINSKY: Robert, are you helping the mom join the son in foster care? Are you supportive of that move?
WAGNER: I do believe they need to be together, yes.
PINSKY: Is foster care --
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WAGNER: Not in that environment, but they do need to be together. I wouldn`t want to see them apart.
PINSKY: Are you helping them with that? Are you helping them to carry that out, make sure they comply?
WAGNER: I`m doing what I can, yes.
PINSKY: OK. All right. Leeann, you have a question or comment?
TWEEDEN: No. I just think that, you know, they need all the help they can get because I think she is going to have a hard time taking care of the baby on her own. If they`re together, if they get some help, then maybe there is going to be some light at the end of the tunnel for both of them.
PINSKY: And I`m going to -- in a second, I`m going to talk about the television show "16 and Pregnant." The impact, yes, those kids have had on other young people. Greg, finish up here.
GRUNBERG: I do agree with him. I think the language and how they labeled the video, that`s not fair. I mean, just as not fair. I think you could have used different language. And so, I think that should be looked at and also I have to say that I love "Paternity Court." I love that show. I just wanted it to say.
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LAKE: Thank you so much, Greg. Thank you.
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PINSKY: And thank you, panel. It`s time for "Last Call."
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PINSKY: Time for the "Last Call." Jenny, the teen birth rate has been declining for some time. And now, it is at the lowest it has been since the 1940s. And a new study says a television show deserves at least 30 percent of the credit, an academic peer-reviewed study, and it showed that MTV "16 and Pregnant" teen mom shows in which they investigate the difficulties, the real difficulties of young people trying to raise babies is getting through.
And there`s been -- I knew it would. I`ve been involved with this show straight along. I`m doing the reunion shows. And there`s been -- they estimate 20,000 births per year have been avoided. The national campaign to end and prevent teen pregnancy and unwanted pregnancy has been behind this from the beginning. Your thoughts, Jenny.
HUTT: I think that`s incredible and a great use of the media. So, there you go.
PINSKY: Yes. Yes. Young people don`t learn so well when two people like you and I are talking to them from boxes. But when they can get a relatable source and follow story, they get it.
HUTT: Sure.
PINSKY: They figure it out. And they they`re smart. They know what to do with the information.
HUTT: Of course.
PINSKY: Thank you all for watching. Thank you, Jenny. Thank you my panelists. "What Would You Do?" begins right now.
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