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NANCY GRACE

Nancy Grace Mysteries, the Entwistle Murders

Aired October 12, 2012 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were, it seemed, a portrait of a happy family. Neil Entwistle and his wife Rachel`s Web site chronicled each special occasion.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shocked. Just shocked. Sad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s kind of scary, considering I live in the neighborhood, right next door. So I mean, just knowing that there`s a murder that happened nearby kind of freaks you out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was just one coffin at the funeral of Rachel Entwistle. Her 9-month-old baby girl, Lillian Rose, was laid to rest by her side, mother and daughter together forever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no forced entry. There no reason for us to believe that the residents of the neighborhood or the community should be in fear of a repetition of this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They had planned a dinner party, but when the guests arrived, no one answered.

MARTHA COAKLEY, MIDDLESEX COUNTRY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: This was not a random attack. Obviously, we are interested in talking to anyone who may have information about this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s hard, you know, because you never think it`s going to happen to someone that you know.

COAKLEY: We have been in the process of locating Neil Entwistle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tonight, detectives are on the trail of Neil Entwistle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you can only fathom what her family must be going through.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: I recall when I first learned about the deaths of 27-year-old Rachel and her daughter, 9-month-old Lillian Rose. The mother and daughter were both found dead, shot to death with a .22-caliber handgun in the mother`s bed. And the mother, 27-year-old Rachel, was found cradling or holding the 9-month-old baby girl, Lillian Rose.

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COAKLEY: It appears to be at least one gunshot to the torsos of both, but there was very little, if any, blood. Again, until we have an autopsy, we`re not certain for the reason for that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The single coffin too much to bear for some mourners, who had to be steadied by a priest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She always kept her family at the center of her life. With the birth of Rachel`s daughter, Lillian Rose Entwistle, last April, Rachel shared her greatest love, that of being a mother.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was, you know, the light of their life. So I think that`s kind of how I viewed him, too, was just, you know, that loving -- that loving father that was very excited, you know, to have a little girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was very happy, and I think that was Rachel`s -- that was her element. That was who she wanted to be. She was a great stay-at-home mom. She loved what she did in taking care of her family. And I think that was where Rachel shined the most.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": This entire case began as a true love story. Rachel Sousa (ph), as she was then, her maiden name, was a college student in Massachusetts, and she went over to England as an American exchange student. And in 1999, she met a very tall British man that she fell head over heels over. His name was Neil Entwistle.

GRACE: The mother had been shot at close range, point-blank range, as had the baby, causing ripping, tearing, singeing and burning of the victims` flesh. And a cruel and horrific yet poetic note, one of those .22-caliber bullets went through the baby girl`s PJs, through her body, out of her body, exiting and then lodging into the breast of the mother lying behind her, as if the death of the child had pierced the mother`s heart and soul.

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COAKLEY: Neil Entwistle shot Rachel Entwistle in the head, and then proceeded to shoot baby Lillian, who was lying on the bed next to her mother.

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GRACE: They were left on the mom`s bed covered in an assortment of sheets and comforters, a pillow over the baby`s face. In fact, when police arrived at the scene for a safety check, they looked through the room, saw nothing and kept going.

It was only several days later, when they went back to the home when Rachel and her baby Lillian Rose had still not been spotted or found -- they go back to the home and were led back to the bedroom by the foul odor of the decomposing bodies of 27-year-old Rachel and 9-month-old Lillian Rose Entwistle.

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COAKLEY: Some of the background to this may be that Neil Entwistle, having entered into some debt obligations in England, having moved to this country with his new wife and child, attempting to start businesses, which, as many of you know, were not effective, on the Internet, on eBay, and also undertaking a lease and other financial obligations, may have found himself in financial difficulty.

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CASAREZ: Before they were married, Neil Entwistle posted on the Internet, I am getting married to the most wonderful girl in the world. And that`s what people thought of Rachel and Neil Entwistle. It was a loving family. It was a wife, Rachel, who was a school teacher. It was Neil Entwistle, who had graduated from college with great degrees and had a future in computer science. And they had a beautiful little baby with the name of Lillian.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I kind of always viewed her as an older sister just because she always -- she was older than me and I looked up to her in so many ways. Rachel was one of those people that she kept her friends as close as her family, and she made you feel like one of her family. She was just very happy to have met Neil and to have met someone that, you know, she connected with.

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GRACE: Now, in the middle of all this, you may wonder, Where is the father, Neil Entwistle? Well, while the family were anxiously outside -- knock, knock, knock, knock, knock -- trying to look into the home, they could see the TV was blaring, lights were on, there was an open bill for the couple`s payment on a brand-new BMW sitting out. The doors were locked. They couldn`t get in.

But they knew something was horribly wrong because mother and child had not been seen. Neil Entwistle -- where was he? Well, he had taken the couple`s BMW and gone to the airport, slept overnight in the BMW, and then taken off with no luggage for a one-way trip back home to the U.K., to Mommy and Daddy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Laura Jayley (ph) was there to pay her respects and to say good-bye.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s very hard to say good-bye and to let go. And you know, you never let go of who they were and of the memories that you shared. It brings some closure, you know, but at the same time, you`ll never have complete closure, I don`t think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Entwistle did not return home to attend the funerals of his wife and baby daughter.

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GRACE: And to this day, there are two people that believe Neil Entwistle had nothing to do with the murders of his young wife and daughter, and that would be Cliff and Evonne (ph) Entwistle, Neil Entwistle`s parents.

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GRACE: I remember Neil Entwistle, age 29, while the bodies of his wife and baby were decomposing, he was busy on line with Adult Friend Finder, following up on various leads for hookers and escorts and sex-no- strings-attached ads at Web sites. That`s where his head was. And that was proven by a search of Entwistle`s computer.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Just shortly after the family had moved into this new home, she was actually supposed to -- Rachel was supposed to meet her mother for lunch. And this was on January 21st. Her mother became concerned because a couple days earlier, they`d made plans to have lunch together, but then Rachel wasn`t responding, wasn`t answering the door when she came by for that lunch.

GRACE: Again, computer forensics played a major role in this case, not necessarily needed to show ID of the killer or the victims -- DNA did that just fine -- but to show his frame of mind, his intent, his course of conduct, his pattern of practice around the time of the murders of his wife and daughter, 9 months old.

While he was trolling on line and through newspaper ads for hookers and escorts and no-strings-attached sex, police were processing the crime scene. While he was wandering around the U.K., only to hide out with Mommy and Daddy, police were coldly reviewing what they found, what they learned at the home.

JOSTAD: Also, she was supposed to have dinner with some friends. They were going to have a dinner party. And again, friends came over, they said they could actually hear the TV on, they could hear the dog inside, but they, too, got no response. So they went to police, asked for just a welfare check.

GRACE: Neil and Rachel Entwistle had met when she was an exchange student. They were on a rowing team together -- he rowed while she was the coxswain -- and fell deeply in love. Their love apparently survived the test of time and distance because she returned back to the U.S. but was deeply in love with Neil Entwistle, and the two married and had baby Lillian Rose.

By all outward appearances, they were the happiest family you could find. They seemed to love each other, respect each other. They did everything together. They moved back from the U.K. to the U.S., and there in Massachusetts, they lived with Rachel`s parents while they got on their feet. And the three of them seemed very happy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course, that`s the impression that everybody had of him, including his in-laws, including his family and friends. And that`s, I think, part of what makes this in some ways so sad and somewhat inexplicable, but also why people are so interested in it. He is the totally unlikely defendant. There was nothing that might have indicated that this is the way this young marriage, this young family would have turned out, and that`s what makes it so sad.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Middlesex district attorney held a press conference, where they explained the motive behind the murders of Rachel and Lillian Entwistle.

COAKLEY: We believe possibly that this was intended to be a murder/suicide, but we cannot confirm that.

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JOSTAD: And officers did go into the house. However, they just did a very cursory check to try to see if anybody was home. They walked through the house, and the officer that went into the bedroom said that he just took a couple of steps into the bedroom. He didn`t go into the bathroom. He didn`t even walk any further into the room than just to see if anybody was inside.

He did see a bunch of, you know, bedding piled up, he described it, on the bed, but he didn`t notice Rachel and Lillian`s bodies.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prosecutors say the fact that family and police twice failed to spot the bodies in the bedroom after the murders were committed should not hurt their case.

COAKLEY: It was not a bloody crime scene. They were under covers. And if you could have seen those, they were all bunched up. It would be very easy to miss them.

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JOSTAD: It actually wasn`t until the next day when, again, everyone`s becoming more concerned, still unable to reach the family, that officers entered the home for a second time. And that time, when an officer went into that bedroom, he noticed the smell, took a better look, and he actually lifted the corner of a blanket or the bedding and saw an adult foot. That was when the bodies were finally discovered.

GRACE: They ultimately moved out of her parents` home and got their own home, lovely home. But it was only about a week later that Rachel and Lillian Rose went missing. They weren`t missing, they were dead. They were murdered by the one person they should have trusted the most, husband and father Neil Entwistle.

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GRACE: Not only did the search of Entwistle`s computer reveal his obsession with sex and hookers and escorts, but it also revealed computer searches for "knife in the neck," "how to murder with a knife."

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A speedy change of heart Friday from the British man accused of killing his American wife and 9-month-old daughter. Neil Entwistle agreed to be extradited to the United States to face charges of murder and related firearms offenses less than 24 hours after he said he did not consent to extradition.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They actually have to charge him with the crime and begin this process known as extradition.

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GRACE: Neil Entwistle told police that he came home from running errands, that he discovered his young wife, 27-year-old Rachel, and his 9- month-old baby girl, Lillian Rose, shot to death in the family bedroom, that he, Neil Entwistle, covered them up with a blanket so as to, quote, "close them off."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No real indication of the time of death. Unfortunately, the longer the post-mortem interval when they find the bodies, they`re limited in the ability to narrow down the time of death. Some of the indicators of time of death disappear very quickly. For example, rigor mortis, liver mortis, or the change, the cooling of the body.

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GRACE: And didn`t know what to do, that he tried to commit suicide, but it didn`t work, and that he then traveled to his in-laws` to try to get a weapon, but the door was locked and he couldn`t get in. He was thwarted, he was foiled in his suicide attempts twice, according to him.

So instead of calling authorities and finding out who`s the real killer, he sleeps in his car overnight and then heads home to the U.K. to hide out with Mommy and Daddy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seeing Neil Entwistle standing accused of this awful crime gives us little comfort, and in fact, only adds to our enormous pain and suffering. To think that someone we loved, trusted, opened our home to could do this to our daughter and granddaughter is beyond belief. The betrayal to this family, to Neil`s family -- to Neil`s family, to our family, to our friends here and in the U.K. is unbearable.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has consented (ph) at the earliest opportunity because he wants to cooperate with the authorities in any way that he can, and he`s anxious that a delay may cause his late wife`s family and his own additional distress, something he wishes to avoid. He believes that he will receive a fair and proper hearing in the USA of these very serious allegations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rachel and Lilly loved Neil very much. Neil was a trusted husband and father. And it is incomprehensible how that love and trust betrayed -- was betrayed in the ultimate act of violence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have too know if anybody else had access to the vehicle. That`s why the videotapes of the vehicle are quite important.

But I think what`s even more important is the timing of when he left that vehicle because he could have stayed around at the airport. We are saying we don`t know exactly when he took off to Britain. It may have been another flight. We`re not sure. But we do know from the videotapes when he left the car.

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GRACE: I`m glad he hid out in his car at the airport. I`d be mad if he didn`t because you know what? By staying overnight in his car, he provided police with valuable evidence. He drank from a water bottle sitting in his car, and from that plastic water bottle, police obtained Neil Entwistle`s DNA, which they compared to DNA on the murder weapon.

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GRACE: Even at a time when they were just struggling to get by, Neil Entwistle took his young wife and daughter, she`s 9 months old, and situated them in a home and bought a new BMW. They were swimming in debt. That hung over the investigation of this case like a big -- an ominous thundercloud. Was this financially or was it sexually motivated?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I condemn Neil Entwistle for his unspeakable, unforgivable acts. But I condemn Neil Entwistle for compounding the unspeakable nature of what he has done by disparaging the memory of his wife and vilifying the entire Matterazzo (ph) family by his decisions.

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GRACE: Another poetic injustice, the murder weapon, the .22-caliber long-barrel handgun, actually belonged to Rachel`s father.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say it was a .22-caliber pistol like this one and that Entwistle put it back in its gun case. They say Rachel`s stepfather was unaware it was ever missing. They say Entwistle knew where the key to the gun case was hidden and previously had used the gun for target practice.

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GRACE: Rachel`s father had wanted to bond with his new son-in-law, Neil Entwistle. They liked him very much. And he actually took Neil Entwistle to a range to teach him how to shoot, something they could do together -- you know, the whole male bonding thing.

After Rachel`s murder and before the discovery of her body, he held in his hand the .22-caliber long barrel that killed his daughter and his only grandchild, Lillian Rose, still covered in the murderer`s DNA.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On Saturday, January 21st, around 5:00 AM, police say, Neil Entwistle bought a one-way ticket to London and boarded an 8:15 British Airways flight from Boston`s Logan Airport.

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GRACE: Neil Entwistle`s response when police tracked him down in the U.K.? He didn`t go to the funerals. He didn`t want to pay the funeral bill. But he did send flowers. Now, that`s a fine how do you do. He sent flowers, flowers from a murderer.

You know, it`s often said that defendants dig their grave with their own mouths, and truer words were never spoken because in this case, Neil Entwistle`s own words came back to haunt him. He told police in the U.S. where the bodies of his young wife and 9-month-old baby girl were found sleeping together in Mommy`s bed -- he told cops here that upon the discovery of his wife and daughter dead, he contemplated and attempted suicide twice and then fled home to the U.K. because he was in such pain, he didn`t know what to do.

He told friends and family in the U.S. that he had actually gone through the mourning and the grieving process with Rachel`s family, with little -- Lillian Rose`s grandparents and all of their friends, that they had all mourned and grieved together.

The truth is, he left the bodies decomposing underneath a comforter in the bed he shared with his wife, took off in the night, slept at the airport, then got a one-way ticket home to the U.K., immediately trolling the Internet and newspapers for hookers. That`s some mode of grieving.

As a matter of fact, for the defense to have tried, to have contemplated an insanity defense, it would never have worked. And here`s why. During all of this, they had a shot at that until Neil Entwistle called his landlord back in the U.S. He very calmly told the landlord to clean out the house, he didn`t care about anything, clothes, possessions, furniture, he could get rid of all of it.

Except Neil Entwistle did want the jewelry in the home. So there you see a pecuniary or money interest in this case because you see Neil Entwistle trying to obtain the jewelry in the home that belonged to his wife. He wanted that money.

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": You see, Neil Entwistle was not gainfully employed in the United States. He was leading somewhat of a double life, not just because he was trying to, you know, have little relationships with escorts, but because he had led his wife to believe that he had offshore bank accounts, that they were financially secure, and that he was actually working somewhere, when, in fact, none of that was true.

He was so in debt, the credit cards were maxed out, they were living way beyond their means. And that in all likelihood was the motive for murder.

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COAKLEY: The idea that he planned to do this because of financial situations of because he was overwhelmed is really one of the theories that makes sense under the circumstances.

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GRACE: As we see in many, many cases of murder, there was a financial overtone hovering over the deaths of Rachel and Lillian Rose. We know that the couple was extremely in debt, way over their heads, swimming in debt.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was an out-of-work computer technician trying to make living selling software on eBay. Just after the first of the year, in early January, something strange happened to his sales operation. Suddenly, it tanked. That was three weeks before his wife and baby were murdered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People were saying things like, I paid for the product, no response to e-mails. And then up here around January 9th of 2006, that`s the very last communication from somebody who bought a product from SR Publications.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On that day, January 9th, eBay suspended Entwistle`s SR Publications from trading. So what was he selling? One buyer complained about software he purchased, saying both the CDs are pirated versions and are corrupt.

We checked with the Federal Trade Commission, and they said they had no complaints on file against Entwistle. An Internet security experts says even if Entwistle was engaging in fraud, it`s not surprising that no one complained.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Most people commit fraud on the Internet never get caught and they never get prosecuted. A lot of fraud comes in under a dollar value that makes it worthwhile to even investigate.

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GRACE: When Neil Entwistle was finally arrested in the U.K., I believe he was headed to the tube or the subway. And on him, he had a handwritten manuscript which he, Neil Entwistle, had written -- which was proven in court, it in his own handwriting -- as if he had told his story to a third person, this third person a close friend and confidant of Neil Entwistle.

It was Neil Entwistle writing it, and he was marketing that manuscript to the, quote, "highest bidder." In his own words, he said he had no loyalty to one newspaper or the other. He was pursuing solely the highest number for the manuscript -- it`s incredible -- of his own story.

He was -- had such delusions of grandeur, such a case of narcissism that he thought the interest was in his story and not solving the murder of his 27-year-old wife, Rachel, and his 9-month-old baby girl, both shot dead point-blank range, as the mother lay cradling the baby girl, both asleep in bed.

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GRACE: There was a very poor -- there was, let me say, an unusual trial strategy at Neil Entwistle`s murder trial, his double murder trial, where the defense actually tried to claim that 27-year-old Rachel murdered her 9-month-old baby girl, Lillian Rose, and then committed suicide.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If was it was that clear, and if it was that easy, we wouldn`t be here. But it is not that clear and it is not that easy. You will learn and you will learn each day as this cases progresses differently from what they have theorized. Over and over and over again during this trial, you will learn that things are not the way they first may appear to be.

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GRACE: Now, that was completely belied, disproven by the murder weapon, which had the defendant, Neil Entwistle`s, DNA on it. Not only was his DNA on the murder weapon that he planted at the home of Rachel`s father and mother, but the trajectory path of the bullets -- when you look at the entry and the exit wounds on the baby, how it then shot through the mother`s bosom, and the point-blank-range shooting of the mother herself -- while there was ripping, tearing, singeing, burning to show a point-blank- range shooting to both of them, which is consistent with suicide, the trajectory paths of the bullets made suicide a virtual impossibility.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For him to have tried to hide behind an accusation of murder/suicide of this beautiful woman and perfect mother is low and despicable. Suffering does not begin to describe what we have been enduring without our beloved Rachel and Lillian, who gave our lives such purpose and meaning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing in the last month or six weeks has done anything to lessen my belief that it is impossible -- absolutely impossible -- for Neil Entwistle to receive a fair trial by jurors who are not biased against him as a result of everything that they have heard and everything that they have seen about him.

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GRACE: Not only was the defense of murder/suicide forensically disproved, but many court watchers believe that that theory, blaming the mother for the murder of her 9-month-old baby girl, was so cold and so insensitive to the point that it angered the jury.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when we demonstrated to the jury through the medical examiner that he had never been informed about gunshot residue on Rachel Entwistle`s hands, we produced evidence. And when the medical examiner and the chemist had to tell the jury that gunshot residue could only be explained if Rachel handled or shot the firearm, we produced evidence.

And to ask any more in a system of law which presumes innocence of the accused is unfair. It`s unfair to Neil, it`s unfair to the American citizenry to perpetuate this myth that defendants have any burden to do anything in a courtroom.

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GRACE: We learned after the fact, after talking to jurors, that they actually reenacted in the jury room -- which is entirely legal -- they did their own reenactment of the murders to completely rule out in their own minds the defense theory of murder/suicide by Rachel Entwistle, the mother of the little girl.

That was very, very unusual. I had never heard of that before, the jury actually reenacting amongst themselves the crime.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t even think of funeral arrangements for them until questioned about that by a trooper man (ph). I didn`t even call 911 or call for help -- for his wife and his baby that he claimed he found lying there in the bed (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... charging the defendant with murder in the first degree, what say you, foreperson? Is the defendant guilty or not guilty?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guilty of murder in the first degree (INAUDIBLE) Rachel Entwistle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On indictment number 2006-387002, charging the defendant with murder in the first degree, what say you, foreperson? Is the defendant guilty or not guilty?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guilty of murder in the first degree of Lillian Entwistle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By indictment number 2006-387003, charging the defendant with possession of a firearm, what say you, foreperson? Is defendant guilty or not guilty?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guilty of the offense as charged.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On indictment number 2006-387004, charging with possession of ammunition, what say you, foreperson? Is defendant guilty or not guilty?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guilty of the offense as charged.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The jury has spoken in this case. They`ve spoken loudly, true and a just verdict. And you know, frankly, our thoughts are with them, as well, because, you know, Neil Entwistle is the one whose reprehensible, shameful, cowardly acts were the basis for this first degree murder.

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GRACE: Entwistle lost his appeal. His appeal was grounded in the warrantless searches of Rachel`s home. Of course, the defense disregarded the danger necessity. The police thought Rachel and the baby Lillian Rose could be in grave danger, which they were, and broke into the home. Because of that fact, the warrantless searches were upheld by the appellate court.

Today, Neil Entwistle is being held in the Old Colony Correctional Center.

KARAS: Entwistle is serving two life sentences without parole. He is housed in a correctional facility in the commonwealth of Massachusetts, where he will remain for the rest of his life. He lost his last appeal within the Massachusetts system. It remains to be seen whether or not he`ll try to take it further.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s very simple. The sentence is mandatory life. I don`t understand how one does one life sentence and does a second. So to me, I have nothing more to say than it`s mandatory, so...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any observations on what the judge said about (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not even sure I listened to what the judge said. I walked into that proceeding knowing what the sentence was going to be. It really mattered not what the judge said, what her rationale was. I assume she had reasoning that you folks heard.

But the statute is very clear. The sentence was going to be life without parole. We knew that. And so this was just a ministerial moment in the courtroom.

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GRACE: I doubt he`s getting to hook up with all those women, hookers, escorts that he was dreaming about before and after the murders of his wife and baby.

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