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NANCY GRACE

Calif. Professor Shoots, Dismembers Wife

Aired September 25, 2012 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Monterey. A hiker on an early morning walk in a heavily wooded area full of fragrant eucalyptus trees comes to a halt, stumbling on the dismembered, scattered remains of a beautiful young woman dumped like trash just feet from the highway.

Bombshell tonight. Cops hone in on an upscale beachfront home, the home of a highly respected Naval post-grad school professor. Are those scattered remains what`s left of the body of his 40-years younger wife in her 20s? Did a distinguished professor murder his much younger Asian trophy wife? Actually, his second trophy wife.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s a 69-year-old well-known professor at the Naval post-graduate school. She`s his wife, 40 years younger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Janie was killed inside her ex-husband`s home from multiple gunshot wounds, and then her body dismembered and dumped.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A hiker finds the body in a heavily wooded area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suspect, her ex-husband, Lawrence Jones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once we went in with Monterey PD, it appeared to us that the scene happen here. So we were able to put out a -- be on the lookout for Mr. Jones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Documents show Janie had recently been granted a divorce from Jones and was trying to move on with her life, after neighbors and friends reportedly her relationship with Jones was volatile and included multiple police calls to the home.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight, live, Monterey. An early morning hiker in a heavily wooded area, fragrant eucalyptus trees, comes to halt when stumbling on the dismembered and scattered remains of a young woman dumped like trash just a few feet from the roadway. A distinguished Naval post- grad school professor -- did he murder his much younger Asian trophy wife? And to be exact, his second trophy wife.

We are taking your calls. I want to go straight out to Brett Larson, investigative reporter. Brett, what do we know?

BRETT LARSON, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Nancy, I mean, you know, well, you mentioned that the fragrance of eucalyptus, and eucalyptus smells great, but this story stinks. What we`ve got here is this Janie discovered by a hiker shot and dismembered just feet from a highway. And all signs point to her 40-year-old older husband, whom she had just...

GRACE: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! When you`re saying 40-year older -- he`s not 40 years old. He`s 69 years old and she`s 20-something. And it`s my understanding that he not only is a post-grad school Naval professor, but he also works in Asian development. And so I guess he`s exporting himself and importing Asian trophy brides.

LARSON: Yes! And he actually told neighbors he`s an importer/exporter...

GRACE: That`s not funny, Brett. That was not for you to get a laugh. What I`m talking about is him luring these women into his web. We know this is his second wife. We know that he told neighbors he was into import and export in Asia. And now his wife has turned up not only dead, but dismembered.

As a matter of fact, isn`t it true, Jean Casarez -- I doubt Jean Casarez is going to think this is funny, Brett Larson. Isn`t it true, Jean Casarez, that she was so dismembered that police first thought this was the body of missing Sierra LaMar?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": That is exactly right, a young girl that went missing earlier this year. You know, the timeline is critical here because Lawrence Jones and his wife, Janie Jones, had just had a divorce finalized, just had it. And days later, she went missing. Nobody could find her. But friends said that she said that she had to travel back to Monterey, California, to sign divorce documents. Well, guess what? They were already signed.

GRACE: Yes, we spoke to lawyers, Jean Casarez, and they said there were no documents left for her to sign. And what`s so crazy -- I want to go to Kollin Kosmicki, editor with the "Hollister Free Lance." Kollin, thanks for being with us.

Isn`t it true, Kollin, that their final argument -- this is a post- grad school professor, OK? Their final argument was when he became incensed that his favorite football team, his alma mater, Stanford -- football team lost, so they get into a big argument about Stanford losing a football game. Surprise, surprise. And they get in this argument, he starts burning her clothes.

KOLLIN KOSMICKI, "HOLLISTER FREE LANCE" (via telephone): That`s correct. We understand that`s kind of the last straw in this relationship that was going downhill the last couple years, that he did indeed burn her clothes and that she decided at that point that she was done.

GRACE: Yes, well, I would say that`s a pretty good spot to end the relationship, when you find your husband stirring up a pot of your burning clothes. Yes, that would be a good time to make an exit!

But back to you, Brett Larson. They got married. He was very, very happy. In fact, he had been kind of withdrawn in the neighborhood, not really, you know, outgoing to all of his neighbors, and not in a bad way. But upon this second marriage to this young Asian trophy wife, as he described it, he began telling everybody how happy he was, how great the marriage was, how great she is.

And then suddenly, things took a wrong turn. Where do we get the U- turn in this marriage, Brett Larson?

LARSON: Well, it seems that -- you know, as you said, he was very happy. But it seems about a year ago, things went a little sour. That`s when the neighbors started noticing that there were some domestic violence problems. The cops actually showed up once because he was ramming her car into a truck. And then from there, that`s when friends stepped...

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Are you telling me, Larson, that he`s outdoors ramming his truck into her car, or vice versa?

LARSON: Vice versa, yes. He`s outside. The neighbors had to call cops -- ramming the Lexus car into a truck.

GRACE: OK.

LARSON: And that`s when people (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Hold on. Brett, Brett, hold on. I`m going to take what you just said -- I need to take this to Pat Brown, Pat Brown joining me out of D.C. And pull up Patricia Saunders, too. Patricia Saunders, Dr. Saunders, clinical psychologist out of New York, and Pat Brown, renowned criminal profile, author of "How to Save Your Daughter`s Life," out of D.C.

Ladies -- I`m not seeing them, Liz. Let`s see them, please. This is very significant. And I can`t put my finger on it. I know legally, it`s significant. But even more so to a profiler and a psychologist, when a person is so arrogant, is so beyond above the law that they will actually commit a crime of this nature, which could have been an aggravated assault had she been in the vehicle, in public, in the driveway, out on the street -- the neighbors see him ramming her vehicle with his vehicle. If she`s in the car, that`s attempted murder right there. And he doesn`t care that everybody sees him.

What does that say to you? You`re the criminal profiler, Pat Brown?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, first of all, let`s take a look at this man. We see a domestic abuser here. We see a man who`s obsessed with power and control, and he`s gotten himself this 40-year younger wife. Now, the question is, once she married him, two years into the relationship, that`s when the green card thing is all over. Now he may become very suspicious...

GRACE: What`s the green card thing? What`s that?

BROWN: Well, the fact that he married a Filipino woman who came over to the United States...

GRACE: All those Hallmark moments where they`re in a secluded, bucolic setting, singing to each other and having the loaf of bread and the jug of wine, that`s over?

BROWN: Right. Well, we don`t know that. She might have loved him for him. Or she might have had a mixture of the, I have a guy who`s bringing me to America and I have opportunity. We don`t know.

But he`s a suspicious man anyway. He`s a power and control freak. So no matter what reason she married him, even if it was for total love, after a number of years, he`s going to question that because he may be losing that total hold on her once she gets comfortable in the country.

GRACE: It`s interesting to me, Pat Saunders. You`re the psychologist. Typically -- and I learned this prosecuting felonies -- person-on-person violence usually happens behind closed doors.

But this guy -- and he is a post-grad professor, Naval school professor, highly respected. He`s taught in Vienna. He`s taught all over the world. He`s published tons of books and articles.

What does he think, he`s above the law? Is he living in an alternate universe in his mind that he can go out and ram somebody`s -- his wife`s vehicle, and the neighbors have to call police and he gets away with it?

PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, intelligence really has nothing to do with it, Nancy. Yes, Pat Brown is right that it`s power and control. But it`s in the service of his own ego and egocentrism. That`s why he doesn`t give a darn who`s watching it.

To him, the wife moving away from him is such a narcissistic injury that it`s intolerable, and he rises to murderous rage.

GRACE: You know, Jean Casarez, I want to get off the vehicle ramming incident in the driveway for the neighbors to see. I want to get back to the dismembered body of an Asian beauty who`s married to a man 40 years older than her.

I mean, we got the dynamic. He`s got all the power. He`s got all the control. He`s got all the money. I mean, she has an MBA herself, I believe, from the Philippines. And you know, she`s no slouch. So she comes to this country, where, basically, all of her degrees don`t mean anything anymore. So she`s working at places like, you know, Lenscrafters and Starbucks to make a living.

He`s got all the power. He`s got all the control. And new her dismembered body is found just a few feet off the highway by a hiker.

CASAREZ: That right. But she had the guts to leave that Monterey mansion where they lived right on the coast, back to San Jose. She got her own apartment. And there`s still a mystery here why she came back to Monterey. The divorce was finalized. Some believe she was kidnapped. Some believe she was lured for some reason or another. But she had no business and no reason to go back there.

GRACE: Everyone, we are talking your calls. An Asian beauty`s body has been found dismembered and scattered like trash along the highway. Now under suspicion, her much older professor husband. And let me just point out, this is his second trophy wife. I wonder what happened to the first one.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s a 69-year-old well-known professor at Naval post-graduate school. She`s his wife, 40 years younger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Janie was killed inside her ex-husband`s home from multiple gunshot wounds, and then her body was dismembered and dumped.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A hiker finds the body in a heavily wooded area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suspect, her ex-husband, Lawrence Jones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once we went in with Monterey PD, it appeared to us that the scene did happen here. So we were able to put out -- be on the lookout for Mr. Jones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Documents show Janie had recently been granted divorce from Jones and was trying to move on with her life after neighbors and friends reportedly say her relationship with Jones was volatile and included multiple police calls to the home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sixty-nine-year-old professor Lawrence Jones is accused of murdering his 29-year-old wife, Janie Jones, just as their divorce becomes final. Authorities say Janie died from being shot, her body then dismembered., the body so disfigured, authorities initially couldn`t even determine the gender when it was found by a hiker. Why was Janie`s husband arrested hundreds of miles away?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say a Naval post-graduate school professor murdered his ex-wife inside his home, then dismembered her and dumped her body on the side of the road. Cops allege 69-year-old Lawrence Jones is responsible for the brutal slaying of his ex-wife just days after the couple`s divorce was finalized.

According to reports, the victim, Janie Jones, had moved out of the home with her ex-husband, but told friends she had to return to Monterey to sign the final divorce papers. But a legal assistant working on the divorce reportedly says there was nothing for her to sign. Police are reportedly investigating how Janie Jones ended up back in the home with her ex-husband.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Tonight, we are learning of a story of a highly distinguished professor, a post-graduate professor. That means, you know, you go to high school, you go to four years of college, then you`re getting a post-graduate degree, such as a PhD, a JD, an MD. Another post-graduate degree Naval school professor. He`s 69, his wife in her 20s.

This is his second trophy wife. This one ends up dead, dismembered, her body parts scattered along the freeway, along a highway, when an early morning hiker stumbles upon them.

We`re taking your calls. Out to David in California. Hi, David. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, I`ve been listening to the show. I don`t understand, why does his age matter? I feel like you`re being prejudiced against him just because he`s old. I mean, automatically you`re against him. Maybe it was self-defense and -- I mean, his age shouldn`t even be brought into the equation, or her age.

GRACE: OK. Just keep David in California for one moment. David in California, you`re accusing me of being prejudiced against him because of his age, which is age 69. No, David in California. I`m not angry about his age. I`m angry about his dismembered trophy wife. That`s what I`m angry about.

And you shouldn`t be focused on the age difference as much as the possibility of murder and dismemberment. And not only that, if it were self-defense, why not call police? Do I really believe that this young Asian woman, an MBA, now working at Lenscrafters, killed him?

No, she told her friends she had to go back to his place to sign papers for their divorce. She left him. So why would she come all the way over there to pick a fight with him, and then he kill her in self-defense, and then he dismembers her?

Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Becca Crumrine, family law attorney, Brian Claypool (ph), defense attorney, LA, Darryl Cohen, defense attorney, Atlanta.

Let`s kick it off with you, Brian Claypool. This is not a defense case nor can it be construed as that. When the police honed in on his beachfront home, they find signs of murder, which can only be, in my mind, blood spatter. I believe she was shot multiple times. Multiple times does not suggest to me self-defense, nor does dismemberment, Claypool.

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I hate to break up your bashing club over there, but can you spell insane? I-N-S-A-N-E. The defense here is insanity, not that he didn`t commit the murder. This is not the prototypical person who`s just going to murder somebody. This is insanity.

And you would be my first witness at trial to establish that he has everything going for him. He`s got a post-graduate degree. He`s very well regarded in the community. He has no prior history of violence. And he has everything to live for.

So that is not the type of person that`s going to shoot somebody with a shotgun and then dismember her body and throw it all over the highway. This guy is mentally insane. That`s his defense.

GRACE: Put him up! OK, Brian Claypool -- says you. All right, Darryl Cohen, I know that you typically will take the defense side. But if you could just take off your defense hat and your prosecution hat. Is there anything in his history that says insanity?

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: What I do say, and I agree that he is absolutely insane. This guy, he has tempers. He has problems...

GRACE: Pat Saunders, weigh in on that, what Cohen just said.

SAUNDERS: This is about manipulation. There is no indication -- we know the definition of insanity. You guys know what that is. It`s really a crock!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Law enforcement officials say Janie was killed inside her ex-husband`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well-known professor at the Naval post-graduate school.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From multiple gunshot wounds.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s his wife, 40 years younger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brutal slaying of his ex-wife.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just as their divorce becomes final.

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GRACE: We are back and taking your calls. The dismembered remains of this young Asian beauty, an MBA star, recently married to a 69-year-old professor here in the States -- dead. As a matter of fact, she was -- her body was in such a state, she was first misidentified as possibly being missing teen Sierra Lamar.

We are taking your calls. Out to James in Montana. Hi, James. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, Nancy. I just want to say I watched "Dancing With the Stars" last night, and I missed seeing you there.

GRACE: Thank you. Thank you, very much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not the same without you. My question is, why do we think he did it? Could she have been having an affair with a younger boyfriend? I mean, look at her and look at him. I think it`s totally possibly.

GRACE: OK, James in Montana, what, if anything, in the facts have suggested to you that she`s having an affair?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, nothing in the facts. But look at their age difference.

GRACE: Nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, why not go with a younger guy?

GRACE: Well, you know, younger guys, James in Montana, are often plagued with a lot of relationship problems., just FYI. You sound like a younger guy yourself. So you know, I don`t know that a 29-year-old MBA grad necessarily wants a younger guy.

Maybe she wanted stability. Maybe she wanted the lifestyle this guy could give her. Maybe she really loved him. All I know is she`s dead and dismembered. And there`s no suggestion that she was having an affair, no suggestion whatsoever. In fact, she only left after he burned up all of her clothes following a loss by the Stanford football team.

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GRACE: We are back and taking your calls. This young Asian beauty, MBA grad in Singapore, as I recall, comes to the U.S., marries a much older post-grad Naval professor. This is his second so-called trophy wife. She`s found dead, her body dismembered, thrown along the highway.

We are taking your calls. Very quickly, back to you Pat Brown. Also, the fact that he discards, allegedly throws her remains along the side of a highway, and they happen to land along this hiking path in this densely wooded area -- what does that say to you about the killer himself?

BROWN: Well, I think hew as just trying to dismember the body enough so that the pieces wouldn`t be found, so she couldn`t be identified. After all, who`s going to be the number one suspect here? Obviously, the recently divorced husband or recently estranged husband.

GRACE: We are taking your calls and I want to go quickly to John Lucich, former criminal investigator, president E Forensics.

John, thanks for being with us. The police are convinced that the home is the murder scene. His beach front home there near Monterey. What would they have found in the home to convince them of that?

JOHN LUCICH, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR, PRESIDENT, E FORENSICS: It could be a lot of things, including the murder weapon. The shotgun that was used. You know, if they do an analysis of that shotgun, they`re going to be able to take a look at not only the pattern analysis on her body but also the different types of metals that were -- make up those shotgun pellets, whether they`re steel, (INAUDIBLE), titanium composite, and they can compare that to the shells that he had.

Also on those little pellets is often the wadding that comes off, some remnants can be found on these pellets. We can trace to the manufacturer and see if he had those shotguns. So in addition to that -- if he had that shotgun from that manufacturer and those shells. Well, in addition to that, fingerprints, blood spatters on his clothing, a variety of things that`s going to link him to this murder. And there is no doubt so far, it looks like he did it.

GRACE: And very often, of course, that blood splatter can be such a fine mist, it would be make into -- it would be invisible to the naked eye. But police could find it through -- suggested usages of, for instance, luminal where you spray luminal on to a surface, and it is like a black light effect. Blood of any degree will shine out. Spatter on clothes. On any other object.

Even if he has washed clothing that had blood on it. That doesn`t necessarily get rid of it. Get rid of DNA or blood.

To Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining me tonight out of Philadelphia. Dr. Manion, another issue is since he obviously dismembered her body, would we be able to get a good cause of death? Do you believe that they found one of the bullets still lodged in her body? And also, would they be able to determine trajectory path, the angle in which the bullet entered and exited her body?

DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Yes. They will be able to determine trajectory. When they bring the -- all the parts back to the ME`s office, I`m sure they x-rayed everything first. They would be looking for bullets, they would be looking for the tips of a knife, for instance. Sometimes knives are broken off in a homicide case. And once they located the bullet, you know, hopefully she was shot in the head and killed instantly. Or if they were shotgun pellets, she was shot in the head and killed instantly.

They`d also look, you know, for the heart. The heart and head are vital organs. And if they are hit with bullets or pellets, you`re going to -- you`re going to die pretty quickly.

We can tell postmortem injured from pre-mortem injuries. In other words, if someone is dead, and their body is dismembered, there`s no bleeding or vital reaction. There is some chemical test that can also be done. We`re going to try to see if there was any inflammatory reaction.

GRACE: OK. Explain that -- whoa, whoa, whoa. You just kind of glossed over that. What did you just say?

MANION: There are also chemical reactions. There is a chemical leukotriene, an inflammatory reaction, that we can can demonstrate at a wound site. If that`s present, then the person was alive when the wound was inflicted. We do have to be careful here though because she was out in the woods and there may be -- you know, may be post mortem injuries from animals and insects. And we have to be careful to distinguish them. I know some people said she was mutilated but maybe this was due to animal activity or insect activity.

GRACE: Well, wait a minute, I get what you are saying about mutilated. We can`t necessarily tell that. But wouldn`t you think dismembering a body would constitute mutilation, Doctor?

MANION: Well, yes. You`re right. It`s abuse of a corpse. I guess I have a different image of it.

GRACE: You`re thinking of her being mutilated before death?

MANION: Yes. Or sometimes people are mutilated after death, you know, depending on the anger of the individual. And that -- you know, there can be very violent, graphic mutilation of both pre and postmortem.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. I`m looking online and we`re getting just -- I can`t even count how many comments, that only a crazy woman would marry a grandpa.

All right. Why are we focusing on the victim?

Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer, this guy in some circles would have been considered quite a catch, Professor Lawrence Jones.

Explain, Ellie.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Well, right, Nancy. He is an international recognized business expert. He taught there at naval post graduate school. He also taught at a college in Italy. Also one in New Zealand. He was also working in Manila, in the Philippines. It`s not clear if that`s where he met Janie Jones. But she too had an interest in an international business. So that could have been what brought them together.

Not any other sort of, you know, hope that this guy was going to be some sort of sugar daddy. She was a very accomplished business person herself.

GRACE: OK, put Ellie back up, please. Ellie, also, of the people that are calling in and writing in, are saying she only married him to get this country. I don`t believe that that`s true. I mean, as we pointed out, she was a superstar herself. She got her MBA in the Philippines. She was highly accomplished.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: And also, this concept -- I mean, Ellie, you`re now a married woman. I can attest to that. I was at the wedding. It`s not every woman is out looking for a knight in shining armor on a horse to be rescued.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: You know a lost us really don`t need to be rescued.

JOSTAD: I agree.

GRACE: We find someone that you love, that you respect. That you can look up to. That you can can count on. And by all accounts, this guy, at least on paper, would have fit in. Would have met those qualifications, I think.

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GRACE: She genuinely loved him.

JOSTAD: Yes. And she was also very independent. Now this is a woman, who as a volunteer, Nancy, set up the whole data base and computer system for the library. She gathered 1200 books for kids there at the library as a volunteer.

GRACE: We`re going to go to our one of our (INAUDIBLE) networking experts, Kyle Pelts. What kind of comments are popping up online tonight regarding this case, Kyle?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, Nancy. Facebook is blowing up right now. And a lot of people seem to be questioning the young wife. I`ll read you one. Janaya (ph) says, "What the heck, she`s crazy women -- or crazy woman who`s going to marry grandpas." Nicole, says that women are going to marry gold diggers they expect payback.

GRACE: Well, I appreciate, Kyle Pelts, all of that. I do, I understand the sentiment where they are coming from. But understand the law, as you will recall, Kyle Pelts, lady justice is blindfolded. So she is blind as to, for instance, the race, the gender, the age of the defendant and the victim. And I find this attacking the victim to be misplaced and also the state, as you know, Kyle Pelts, and as you know, Becca Crumrine, does not have to prove motive.

So whatever her motive was, or his motive, it doesn`t matter. Looking at this case, analytically, coldly, objectively, I am looking at the murder and dismemberment of a young woman. That`s all the state has to prove. Is it not, Becca?

BECCA CRUMRINE, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Absolutely. And it`s just so unfortunate that people are looking at her and making her the fault for this. She was in an abusive marriage. She fell in love with somebody. She -- by all accounts friends called her the angel that you meet in life.

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Back in 60 seconds.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Sixty-nine-year-old professor Lawrence Jones is accused of murdering his 29-year-old wife, Janie Jones.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Then dismembered her and dumped her body on the side of the road.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The hiker finds the body in a heavily wooded area.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Neighbors and friends reportedly say her relationship with Jones was volatile and include multiple police calls to the home.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls with a plethora of evidence seemingly a post grad naval professor murders and dismembers his much, much younger wife. She`s in her 20s. He is 69. And then throws her body, what`s left of it, throws it away like trash along a highway.

We are taking our calls. Out to Rose in Connecticut. Hi, Rose, what`s your question?

ROSE, CALLER FROM CONNECTICUT: Hi, Nancy. I pray for your son to get better. I guess the power of prayer.

GRACE: First of all, Rose in Connecticut, we`ve gotten good news and so far, and we are still awaiting a firm diagnosis. And I want it thank you very much for that. And please, please keep praying for my son, John David.

OK. What`s your question?

ROSE: I love you, and you know, I always talk about you. Well, why is this happening again? Every week I watch men -- I mean husbands killing wives? This is ridiculous.

GRACE: You know --

ROSE: They don`t believe in divorce? They don`t believe in just leaving her alone? I mean I don`t understand it.

GRACE: I don`t understand it either. And I`m going to have to cross lines of vacation and bring in not only the doctors but the lawyers.

Becca Crumrine, Brian Claypool, Darryl Cohen. Also with us psychologist Patricia Saunders and criminal profiler Pat Brown.

You know, Pat, weigh in.

BROWN: Well, Pat Saunders was correct earlier about the ego thing. That is what causes a lot of these domestic abuse and murder situations. This guy has expectations. He wants this woman to be his. And he thought he`d got one to be his. And eventually she didn`t like the situation. And he couldn`t take it. That`s why he kills her. Not because he is going it lose any money. She didn`t even want any money apparently. But she was going to leave him and that ego crushing, too much for him.

GRACE: All right. Darryl Cohen, what happens to just good plain old, good old-fashioned D-I-V-O-R-C-E? What, was he burned in the first divorce so now he decided murder is cheaper than divorce?

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I think it`s hard to say. It`s my understanding he`s the one that filed for divorce. What`s more, it tell me that this guy is just stark raving crazy and he does not know how to handle himself. And because of that --

GRACE: Claypool --

COHEN: Has murdered her.

GRACE: Claypool.

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And, Nancy, may -- yes, and Nancy, may I have the honor of asking you a question? Have you ever been in a bad relationship where you broke up with the man?

GRACE: Yes.

CLAYPOOL: OK. Did you burn his clothes?

GRACE: No.

CLAYPOOL: Probably not. Probably not, right? You`re a rational woman. This man burned --

GRACE: I thought of it.

CLAYPOOL: -- her clothes.

GRACE: I thought of it.

CLAYPOOL: He is irrational.

GRACE: I thought of it.

CLAYPOOL: He`s irrational.

GRACE: Repeat.

CLAYPOOL: He`s insane.

GRACE: I thought of doing a lot of things.

CLAYPOOL: And -- OK.

GRACE: And you know what, I appreciate that sentiment. But to you, Becca Crumrine, I imagine that most wives often consider doing certain things to their husbands clothing, maybe, you know -- I don`t know. Putting salt in their coffee, burning their clothes. But you think of things like that in relationships, a lot of people do. They don`t actually do them. The fact that he burned her clothing, you know, that doesn`t mean he is crazy.

How many times have you heard of a woman -- I mean didn`t you people see "Waiting to Exhale"?

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GRACE: Don`t you remember? The husband comes home and didn`t she burn all of his clothes, Clark? I mean he was cheating so she burned up all of his clothes. Throw all his stuff in the garage sale. Hey, he asked for it. And he got it. That doesn`t mean she was crazy. Becca?

CRUMRINE: As a family law attorney, I see all sorts of things like this. But what was really sad about this is that, you know, I`ve been on your show enough that everybody screams insanity. This isn`t insanity. This woman is a victim. And unfortunately in our country we see too many victims that are blamed for this.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Cops allege 69-year-old Lawrence Jones is responsible for the brutal slaying of his ex-wife.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Authorities say Janie died from being shot. Her body then dismembered.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. I want to go back to Jean Casarez. Now police almost immediately honed in on the professor`s beach front property. Do we have any idea what they found there that says murder? I mean, come on, Jean. Her body was dismembered and strewn along the highway in a wooded area found by a hiker. That`s not natural causes, that`s not accidental causes.

It`s going to be tough for a defense lawyer to claim it was self- defense and then he dismembered her.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": No, I think you`re right. And I think we`ve been seeing this video of the forensic investigators the whole hour there in their white protective suits.

Nancy, 20 of them converged inside the home. And they were there for two days with a blue tent outside. You know what it means when they have white protective suits on. There had to be massive amounts of blood. So I think common sense tells us dismemberment in the home.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He`s a 69-year-old well known professor at the Naval Post Graduate school. She`s his wife. 40 years younger.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Janie was killed inside her ex-husband`s home from multiple gunshot wounds. And then her body was dismembered and dumped.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A hiker finds her body in a heavily wooded area.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The suspect, her ex-husband Lawrence Jones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once we went in with the Monterey PD, it appeared to us that the scene that happened here, so we`ve got to -- be on the lookout for Mr. Jones.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Documents show Janie had recently been granted a divorce from Jones and was trying to move on with her life. After neighbors and friends reportedly say her relationship with Jones was volatile and included multiple police calls to the home.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Sixty-nine-year-old professor, Lawrence Jones, is accused of murdering his 29-year-old wife Janie Jones. Just as their divorce becomes final. Authorities say Janie died from being shot. Her body then dismembered. The body so disfigured authorities initially couldn`t even determine the gender. It was found by a hiker.

Why was Janie`s husband arrested hundreds of miles away?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police say a naval post graduate school professor murdered his ex-wife inside his home, then dismembered her and dumped her body on the side of the road. Cops alleged 69-year-old Lawrence Jones is responsible for the brutal slaying of his ex-wife just days after the couple`s divorce was finalized.

According to reports, the victim Janie Jones had moved out of the home with her ex-husband but told friends she had to return to Monterey to sign the final divorce papers. But a legal assistant working on the divorce reportedly said there was nothing for her to sign. Police are reportedly investigating how Janie Jones ended up back in the home with her ex- husband.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Back to Kollin Kosmicki, editor with the "Hollister Freelance," joining me from California.

Kollin, again, thanks again for being with us. Their relationship, you know, seemed to be very happy until it took a U-turn. Is there suspicion that the professor actually kidnapped his much younger wife and brought her back to the home?

KOLLIN KOSMICKI, EDITOR, THE HOLLISTER FREELANCE: That`s one of the questions out there right now among many, just very unclear because of the authorities have been fairly tight lipped in this case. But we really don`t know the answer to that at this point.

GRACE: Jean Casarez, I`ve tried a ton of cases and covered a ton of cases. You`re a lawyer as well as a correspondent. You know in response to the defense lawyers claiming that he was insane, to the contrary you would think that this guy is so degreed and so knowledgeable and so educated he would know better as opposed to someone that never really had any education or any chance in life. Of course they know right from wrong. But this guy had options. A lot of people don`t have options.

CASAREZ: He had options and he obviously didn`t clean up the house if he did this and he was found in southern California 300 miles away.

GRACE: Hiding out in L.A. Jean Casarez, as usual, thank you.

Everyone, "DR. DREW" up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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