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NANCY GRACE

Tennis Umpire Charged With Murdering Husband

Aired August 24, 2012 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live to Woodland Hills. An elite tennis star, straight off the prestigious U.S. Open, drives home to the multi-million-dollar luxury condo she shares with her husband. Inside a shocking scene, her husband lying dead in a blood-soaked bed. But she says he has a heart attack. And falls down the stairs?

Bombshell tonight. Hold on, lady! What about that pool of blood in the bed, lacerations on your husband`s head? And how does a shattered coffee mug fit into this scenario? As we go to air, we uncover an alleged love triangle.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shocking story about the U.S. Open umpire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lois Ann Goodman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the victim you`re looking at right now, Alan Goodman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Prosecutors say his wife, Lois, beat him with a coffee mug, stabbed him with broken shards.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lois allegedly told police her husband had fallen down the stairs, but after an investigation...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The story of him falling down the stairs just didn`t fit the evidence that was at the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Strange story.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With killing her 80-year-old husband, Alan Goodman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Personally used a deadly and dangerous weapon, to wit a coffee cup, to bludgeon her husband.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To find her husband dead in their bed with pools of blood throughout the house. The coroner concluded his injuries didn`t match with her story. Authorities launched an investigation.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. Woodland Hills, an elite tennis star straight off of the prestigious U.S. Open, drives home to the multi-million-dollar luxury condo she shares with her husband. Inside, a shocking scene. She finds her husband lying dead in a blood-soaked bed.

But she says he has a heart attack. And falls down the stairs? Uh- uh. Hold on, lady! What about that pool of blood in your bed, lacerations in your husband`s head? And how does a shattered coffee cup fit in? As we go to air, is there a love triangle involved in this scenario?

We are taking your calls. I want to go straight out to Brett Larson, investigative reporter. Look, I`ve seen my father have heart attacks, and they do not involve lacerations to the head, a bed that`s covered in blood, soaking the sheets, the bedsheets with blood, and a shattered coffee cup.

What happened, Brett Larson? Because I noticed one thing. When Lois Ann "Lolo (ph)" Goodman was asked if she loved her husband, there was a long pause, a very -- a deadly long pause, Brett.

BRETT LARSON, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via telephone): Yes, a deadly long pause and which she finally answered, I really can`t answer any questions. My lawyer told me not to talk. Which is a little suspicious. Last time somebody asked me if I loved someone, if I really loved them, I didn`t hesitate at all before saying it.

But this is an interesting -- it`s this woman who, you know, says her husband had a heart attack. And you`re right, Nancy. Since when do you have a heart attack, fall down a flight of stairs, hit your head on a coffee cup, get back up and get yourself into bed? These sorts of things just don`t happen.

And it was so much of a red flag that when the EMS showed up and took a look at the -- you know, the supposed scene of the heart attack, they kind of thought something`s not right here. And that`s -- that`s when they jumped in.

Now, she says to the cops that the husband had a heart attack while she was off at her work doing her -- her judging on tennis games. And then it`s not until the body is literally lined up to go in to be cremated that the police step in and say, Wait a second. We got to take a look at this body and see what`s going on here.

That`s when they find parts of the coffee cup in the guy`s head, blunt force trauma to the guy`s head and really no signs of a heart attack.

GRACE: Well, what`s interesting, Brett Larson, is that she tells police that he had a heart attack and fell down the stairs, but all the blood is in the bed. Now, this is a tennis star. She is a tennis star. She has taken on the likes of Andre Agassi, Connors, McEnroe, done battle with all of them, and was just off the U.S. Open.

So how did it all play out, Brett Larson? Where was she when the body was discovered?

LARSON: Well, she says that she was at work when this all went down. She came home -- she`s actually the one who called 911, so she discovered the body. And she`s telling cops once they get there, and repeatedly, as they ask her more and more questions, that she thinks maybe -- maybe somebody broke in and maybe there was a fight and maybe he had a heart attack and fell down the stairs and that`s when I found him. He must have gotten himself back in bed.

But then they find blood all over the apartment. They find it in the linen closet. They find it in the -- in the ceiling of the -- of the -- of the garage, in the -- in the outside. It`s all very suspicious.

And then the cops get her when she`s -- you know, she`s getting ready to judge the U.S. Open! They get her at a hotel.

GRACE: To you, Matt Zarrell. This is a tennis star. And there had been, allegedly, no prior problems between her and her husband. I know that they had bickered some in the last couple of weeks. Do we know what they had argued about?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): No, Nancy. We`re still trying to work on that, although there are reports that there was a possible love triangle, and we`re still trying to learn more about that at this point.

GRACE: A possible love triangle. Joining me right now, Richard Winton, crime reporter with "The LA Times." Richard, what`s this about a love triangle?

RICHARD WINTON, "LOS ANGELES TIMES" (via telephone): Well, there`s some discussions amongst detectives that the motive may have been that there was someone else involved. But it seemed as much as that, it seems that she just didn`t seemingly get along with her husband anymore. That`s what the suggestion is.

GRACE: But Richard, you know, not getting along -- I`ve never -- I`ve never heard of just not getting along anymore as being grounds for a coffee mug to the head.

WINTON: She liked to -- she liked to hit -- it was pretty obvious that she hit the road a lot on the tennis circuit, and he -- she may have - - because what I`ve heard from detectives, she may have considered him to be almost excessive baggage.

GRACE: Really? Excessive baggage in what way?

WINTON: In terms of, like, basically, you know -- she would have to stay home. He would -- look after him sometimes, and that was part of the problem for her. She liked to be on the road. She used to be -- she was - - basically lived her life on these tennis events. And she`s not really, like, a heavily (ph) paid tennis umpire, but this is basically her lifestyle.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Susan in California. Hi, Susan. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Ms. Grace. I have a question. How in the world can someone kill somebody with a coffee mug? And how are they able to know that that was the weapon used? I just -- it blows my mind. I mean, I look at my coffee mugs, and I could never think that they would be strong enough to take someone`s life out.

GRACE: Well, you know, Susan in California, I never thought of it, either, death by coffee mug. I`ve never -- I mean, I`ve heard of death by microwave, death by washer or dryer, but I`ve never heard of death by coffee mug.

But Dr. William Morrone, medical examiner, forensic pathologist, expert toxicologist joining me from Madison Heights -- Dr. Morrone, number one, I was going to ask you what the signs in his body would be post-mortem if he had had a heart attack.

But let`s go with Susan in California`s question. There were shards, shards of the coffee mug in his head.

DR. WILLIAM MORRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER/FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Here`s what`s really important. You have to remember coffee mugs generally are ceramic. They`re hard. It`s stone. It`s a weapon. And in blunt force trauma, when you connect a coffee mug with somebody`s head, you`re tearing away veins and arteries and crushing the brain. And if you hit them hard enough, you could be breaking a neck. This is a weapon.

GRACE: Dr. Morrone, when you say crushing or severing arteries, would that include the carotid artery?

MORRONE: The arteries and the veins are the ones that are actually in the brain, and the carotids are in the neck.

GRACE: Right.

MORRONE: But the amount of force to hit can do a lot of different damage. And like I said, this is a stone. And if shards of this mean that it was broken hard enough when the head was hit, that`s really hard. That`s 60 miles an hour, hitting the head at 60 miles an hour with a stone.

GRACE: The autopsy report says deep, penetrating blunt force trauma. Dr. Morrone, I`ve seen blunt force trauma many, many times on an autopsy report, but "deep, penetrating" -- those words are very rarely used.

What does that mean to you Dr. Morrone, deep, penetrating blunt force trauma to the head, possibly the brain, the skull?

MORRONE: What it means is that not only was the skull crushed and broken, but that on the other side of the skull, there`s bruises and damage in the brain. So you have damage to the skin, you have damage to the muscles, you have damage to the bone, and you have damage to the brain.

There`s a translation of force all the way -- and sometimes, it`s called contra croup (ph) injuries, where you`re hit here, and the damage goes all the way across to the other side.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And prosecutors say his wife, Lois, beat him with a coffee mug.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arrested in her U.S. Open uniform.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: While she was preparing for the upcoming tennis tournament.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The following day of the murder, she was back to her regular schedule.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Allegations that well-known tennis umpire Lois Goodman murdered her husband, Alan, with a coffee mug.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That death and the story that we got from his wife...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lois allegedly told police her husband had fallen down the stairs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a radio call of a death of an older gentleman named Alan Goodman. That death and the story that we got from his wife, Lois Goodman, did not seem to match at the time.

We got the LA County coroner`s office involved. And fairly quickly, they had explained to us that they thought that it was a suspicious death. And that adding up with the fact that the statements that we got from the wife that evening, the LA County coroner`s office declared this a murder.

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GRACE: Let me see that perp walk again, the one where she`s (INAUDIBLE) you see that giant Polo emblazoned on her chest. No, not that one. Just keep it going because there`s one we just showed of her and she`s, like, shaking her head. It`s that one as she`s walking, shaking her head no, like, This isn`t true, this isn`t for real, this is all wrong.

You know, Dr. Bethany Marshall, this is the Monday following the death. What does that say to you?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: It says to me that this woman is extremely arrogant. She thinks she can call the shots in real life, as she does on the court. She believed that she could control the police, that she could bludgeon him with a coffee mug, push him down a flight of stairs, have blood all over the house, and tell the police calmly that he must have had a heart attack in bed. So this woman is used to being in charge.

You know, one of your reporters said that he believed that the husband had become excess baggage. When we look at domestic abuse -- look at a man who abuses a woman. He wouldn`t abuse her because she`s excess baggage. He would abuse her because he`s lost control over her.

So as this man became elderly, was he pulling the purse strings? Was he trying to rein her in, in some way? Did he have needs that she didn`t want to take care so she lost control over him, went into a rage, bludgeoned him?

GRACE: There`s also evidence, according to the LA cops, that not only did she smash her hubby on the noggin with the mug, that she actually then stabbed him with those razor-sharp shards after the cup was shattered.

What do we know about that? Out to "LA -- Los Angeles Times" crime reporter Richard Winton. Richard, what do we know about her actually stabbing him with the shards of the coffee cup?

WINTON: Yes, my understanding is, after she bludgeoned him with the coffee cup, the cop obviously broke and you have the handle piece, which is obviously -- has the sharp -- sharp edge of a broken handle. And then she`s inflicting more -- sounds like more numerous blows to his head. That`s what the investigators believe occurred because that`s how those shards became embedded, they believe, in his head.

GRACE: Oh! OK, out to the lines. Scarlett, Tennessee. Hi, Scarlett. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, what did he do to provoke her to hit him in the head with the coffee mug? And my other question is, is she locked up?

GRACE: What was your second question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she locked up? Is the psychopath locked up?

GRACE: Scarlett, don`t go. Why do you assume that he did anything to provoke her to hit him in the head with a coffee cup?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because nobody just walk up to somebody and hit them in the head with a coffee mug. Nobody in their right mind, shall I say!

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GRACE: OK, now, Scarlett in Tennessee, I see where you`re going with this. But what does it say to you, Scarlett, that he`s lying in bed, obviously, when she attacks him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God! She`s...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s more to the story.

GRACE: I know! So you know, normally, when I hear that a woman has pushed her husband out of a window, or she hit him, or she tried to run over -- you remember the dentist`s wife that ran over her husband with a Mercedes and killed him? I`m like, What did he do? Well, it turns out he had been having an affair with the receptionist, I think. Yes. So he got run over! What are you going to do?

But here, the guy apparently was asleep, Scarlett in Tennessee, asleep in his bed!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was asleep! But what did he do before he went to sleep?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A tennis umpire who was preparing for the U.S. Open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s an arrest warrant for murder listing her as the suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you do it? Did you hurt your husband?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "The New York Times" reporting that Goodman not only allegedly beat her husband with that coffee cup, but also stabbed him with pieces of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stabbed him with broken shards.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arrested for murder now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The LA County district attorney`s office issued an arrest warrant for murder.

-- that we learned from other people and that sort or stuff led us to believe that there might have been some sort of an argument at the location.

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GRACE: OK, I`ve just had our chief editorial producer, Ellie Jostad, in my ear saying, We don`t know he was asleep. Hello? Brett Larson, investigative reporter, he was stabbed in his bed, all right? I think he was asleep.

LARSON: Hit with a coffee cup. They think -- now they think he was asleep while he was beaten? Now, the one thing that we -- that we should point out -- I mean, and we`ve mentioned they don`t have a history of domestic abuse. But some of the neighbors have said that she was a little bit abrasive, which doesn`t seem as a surprise.

I mean, she has to put up with all these tennis celebrities. That`s got to give you a bit of an ego and a little bit of an abrasion -- but also that they did occasionally fight, but not necessarily to the point that it was, you know, domestic abuse, where she would feel like her only way out was to do this, but you know, hit him over the head with a coffee cup and then stabbed him with what was -- what was left, while he was there in bed, not something that happened at the morning breakfast table.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Christine Grillo, prosecutor, New York, Darryl Cohen, Greg McKeithen, defense attorneys, Atlanta.

Weigh in, Christine.

CHRISTINE GRILLO, PROSECUTOR: Well, I mean, we`re talking about domestic abuse here. We really don`t know what this is. In my experience in domestic violence for the past 11 years, this doesn`t appear like a woman who was being abused by anyone and tried to fight back. It seems to me she got annoyed and she whaled him over the head with a coffee mug.

But again, we are all surmising, and you know, just seeing what we have with what`s been released to us so far. But actually, the most important part about this is that other pieces were found in him that someone stabbed -- that she continued to stab him.

GRACE: Darryl?

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Are you talking about the same woman that I saw on the video, this woman who can hardly walk, looks -- if ever I wanted to defend someone, that`s the woman. Where does she have the strength to hit him as hard as she did? How does she have the strength to drag him to the stairs and push him down? Didn`t happen, Nancy, not by her.

GRACE: McKeithen?

GREG MCKEITHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree. There`s no evidence of motive. Is there evidence that she had the means and is there evidence that she had the opportunity to commit this crime? There`s no restraining order, and there`s no history of violence between the parties.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shocking story about the U.S. Open umpire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lois Ann Goodman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the victim you`re looking at right now, Alan Goodman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Prosecutors say his wife, Lois, beat him with a coffee mug, stabbed him with broken shards.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lois allegedly told police her husband had fallen down the stairs, but after an investigation...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The story of him falling down the stairs just didn`t fit the evidence that was at the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Strange story.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With killing her 80-year-old husband, Alan Goodman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Personally used a deadly and dangerous weapon, to wit a coffee cup, to bludgeon her husband.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To find her husband dead in their bed with pools of blood throughout the house. The coroner concluded his injuries didn`t match with her story. Authorities launched an investigation.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. A tennis star who traveled the tennis circuit, who has taken on the likes of Connors, Andre Agassi, John McEnroe -- she says her husband died after she gets home to their luxury multi-million-dollar condo of a heart attack. But then cops realize he`s lying a pool of blood in his own bed with shards of a coffee cup still in his head and other parts of his body, according to "The New York Post."

We are taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers again. Kristen Grillo (ph), Darrell Cohen, Greg McKeithen.

But then the story begins to change. That`s the kiss of death right there for a defense lawyer.

Out to you, Darrell Cohen, then she forgets about the heart attack and says, oh, well, he fell down the stairs.

DARRELL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, he probably did fall down the stairs as if she announced that she came in and saw him at the bottom of the stairs, who`s to say she did anything other than report what she found, nothing more, nothing less.

GRACE: How did the blood get in the bed upstairs, Darrell?

COHEN: Doesn`t mean she did it, Nancy. It could have anyone that they knew that did it. They`re trying to set her up.

GRACE: No.

COHEN: Absolutely.

COHEN: That might work with someone who`s just tuned in. They just heard a part of the story, but you can`t have your cake and eat it, too, all right? You can`t put it in a zip lock bag and put it in a freezer for later and eat it today. All right, that`s what that mean.

So, you can`t say she sees him at the bottom of the stair. He`s fallen after a heart attack, you can`t have that. Plus, somebody else could have murdered him in his bed. All right, you can`t have both.

So, let`s just pick, go ahead and pick one. Which one makes the most sense to you? They are mutually exclusive.

COHEN: No, they`re not, Nancy.

GRACE: Yes, they are.

COHEN: Absolutely not. With all due respect of the law.

GRACE: Then how did he get up into the bed upstairs if she finds him dead at the bottom of the stairs of a heart attack?

COHEN: A third party, stab, hit him with the coffee cup. Third party takes him, drags him to the top of the stairs and pushes him down. She comes in. Both done. Not mutually exclusive.

GRACE: Kristine, please help me.

KRISTINE GRILLO (PH), DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`m just thinking of Miss Palm (ph) would be candle stick and what have you. But the more I`m thinking is my focus is on her actions after the event and her consciousness of guilt in cleaning up the crime scene and the actual changing of the story actually is contradict of guilt.

GRACE: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of deal breakers, let`s hear it.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR, DEAL BREAKERS: Well, I was thinking about elder abuse and was he a dependent engulf? Was he having a disability? What he did -- he have any medical issues that were going to impinge on her freedom? We know that when a wife or husband beats or kills a dependent adult, often is when that person is lying bed and I have heard many cases of domestic abuse where the woman does beat up the man while he`s sleeping. Victims have come into my office and said, I woke up in the middle of the night and she was kicking me. And the reason we hear that is that when someone with a personality disorder is ragefull (ph). The rage - ragefullness (ph) continues on even sometimes without provocation.

GRACE: To Matt Zarrell, who has studied all the facts as we - as we know them tonight.

Isn`t it true that Goodman says she continued up the stairs to follow more blood to her bedroom, where she claims she there discovered in the bedroom her husband unconscious and not breathing in a blood soaked bed. Matt Zarrell.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via phone): Yes, that`s correct.

GRACE: All right, Darrell, that`s her statement. Now, let`s go back to her scenario of, intruder comes in for no reason, kills him by beating her in the head with her coffee cup. Then he has a heart attack and falls down the stairs. And now, how do you reconcile that with her say, she follows the blood upstairs and finds him in the bed.

COHEN: are either of those statements under oath? It seems to me that she was probably in shock at some point, she said one thing, said another thing. What is she to do? She finds her husband dead. You think this woman had the strength, the woman you saw in the video to hit and hit him with a coffee cup and he`s laying there again. Come on, Nancy, this woman, look at her, she`s a perfect victim.

GRACE: I`m looking at her. Have you seen her out on the tennis court? For Pete`s sake. Yes, this woman has enough energy to take on the like of Connors, McEnroe, Agassi, she`s straight off the U.S. open.

You know, to you, C.W. Jensen, retired police captain, joining me out of Cade creek.

C.W., the reality is her victim was asleep lying bed, how much strength does it take?

C.W. JENSEN, RETIRED POLICE CAPTAIN: You know, Nancy, it doesn`t take much, especially with a weapon. And I think the lawyers tonight, the defense attorneys tonight are awesome, because they are just disregarding common sense.

Remember, throw away everything you have all right talked about. This cat isn`t even in the ground and what does she do? She splits and goes to New York to go to a tennis match? Is that what any normal wife would do faced with this kind of an event in her life? Of course not. She`s guilty as sin. By the chip mate, everybody happy. There`s three or four attorneys that you talk to that will defend him.

GRACE: To Greg McKeithen, what about her behavior, her demeanor following her husband`s death?"

GREG MCKEITHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, in any criminal case as you aware Nancy, behavior before and after the commission of a crime may be relevant. But that is a question that the jury has to give its appropriate weight for. That in and of itself in my mind legally speaking is not conclusive evidence that she did anything wrong. People react differently in different circumstances. And in this case the evidence does not necessarily prove that she did anything wrong based on her post conduct.

GRACE: All right. To you Brett Larson, investigative reporter, you have come to the facts as well, what evidence do we have of guilt?

BRETT LARSON, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, I mean, she -- there`s no signs of forced entry in this house, so if she`s trying to say she is trying to say that - and she didn`t do it, if she found him on this position and he was beaten where a coffee cuff and there`s shards of that coffee cup in his head. There were no signs of forced entry. It`s a gated community that they live in, so it would be very odd that someone would be able to get in there. And though, I can understand her being in shock and not able to, you know, get her story straight.

GRACE: In shock? There were blood stains on the refrigerator, Brett Larson. She had a snack, everybody.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Neighbors are stunned tonight over allegations that well known tennis umpire 70-year-old Lois Goodman murdered her husband Allen with a coffee mug. This is exclusive KJLA video of detective serving a search warrant at the coupled within his home.

When they began their homicide investigation, detective say she originally reported to them that she had come home to find her husband dead in their bed with pools of blood throughout the house.

When the Coroner concluded his injuries didn`t matched with her story. Authorities launched an investigation and served several search warrants to the couple`s home. She was picked up outside her hotel. And now she`s waiting to be extradited.

Meantime, detectives aren`t saying much about the motive.

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GRACE: A lot of people are asking tonight how a coffee cup could be a murder weapon.

Well, typically you don`t think of a coffee cup being a murder weapon. But what about one that looks like this? When it turns into basically a switchblade with a handle? The victim found dead in a blood soak bed upstairs in a multimillion dollar condominium, after his tennis star wife comes home and says he died of a heart attack and fell down the stairs.

We are taking your calls. Out to Raquel in Virginia. Hi, Raquel. What`s your question?

RAQUEL, CALLER, VIRGINIA: Hi, Nancy. First of all, I just say that I love your show.

GRACE: Thank you.

RAQUEL: And my question is, did they find any fragments of the coffee cup at the bottom of the stairs?

GRACE: Good question, Raquel.

Out to you, Matt Zarrell. I don`t believe they found any coffee cup fragments anywhere except around the bed and in his skull. And Matt Zarrell, we have obtained a search warrant. First, answer Raquel`s question. And then tell me what they know about that search warrant that they uncovered.

ZARRELL: OK. As far as the coffee mug is concerned, she goes up the stairs and that`s where she finds the coffee mug covered in blood.

As far as the emails, the "New York Daily News" is reporting that Goodman, the wife, allegedly was communicating with a male individual through the internet. Cops have these damaging e-mails. Apparently, if there is the contents of the e-mails say that Goodman was terminating a relationship. And that alternate sleeping arrangement should be made in Los Angeles.

Now, police decline to identify the mystery man or say whether Goodman was terminating her nearly - her very long marriage or taking on a new partner. But we are still trying to get a hold of those e-mails so we can show them.

GRACE: Everybody, we`re taking your calls that, search warrant reveals a lot. We know now that there was in fact a love triangle. We don`t know the identity of the third party though.

Do we, Brett Larson, do we know who the third party is?

LARSON: We don`t. And police are actually being really tight lipped about this. They`re saying on a couple of different occasions that they have some interesting leads on a possible third person, but they don`t want to say anymore because they don`t want to taint the case, as it were. But there were some e-mail that they found and I even read reports that there was a letter that they found from this possible other person.

GRACE: To crime reporter with "L.A. Times," Richard Winton.

Richard, regarding the third person, are they keeping that under wraps because a, it has no relevance, or b, is there the possibility that a second party was involved? Was it a conspiracy of some sort?

RICHARD WINTON, LOS ANGELES TIMES REPORTER (via phone): It`s more likely they just want to try and hold some cards back. There are a lot of cards being held back right now as you can see. You know, we`re already hearing shards of the cop in the skull, we`re hearing details about, you know, pretty much everything that went on, search warrants in recent months. And I think they`re trying to hold one or two cards back and that maybe who this person is. Maybe this person has already helped them in some way and provided them some information as well.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Laura in Ohio, Hi, Laura, what`s your question?

LAURA, CALLER, OHIO: Hi, Nancy, you are one of my favorite people I watch continuously.

GRACE: Thank you.

LAURA: I just want to say there seems to be a lot of contradiction. I hear that he was found in the bed now, I just heard that. I heard that he had a heart attack and fell down the stairs. I have heard that they found shards of the coffee mug in his skull. I would like to know one, where was he found? Two, where was as you called it the dagger with a handle. Where was that piece found along with all the other parts of the coffee cup? I`m just curious about that.

GRACE: Good question, Laura in Ohio. What about it Matt Zarrell?

ZARRELL: The coffee mug - the broken coffee mug was found up the steps, Nancy. And the one thing I want to point out about the position of the body. The wife says that she found him in the blood soaked bed. After numerous questions, the second or third time they questioned her, she allegedly gave conflicting accounts of what he found, describing the death scene as was violent and suggesting that her husband`s body looked positioned by an intruder.

GRACE: Right now CNN heroes.

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JONNY IMERMAN, CNN HERO: All of a sudden, it was like someone took a syringe and stabbed me directly in my left testicle. At 26, I was diagnosed with cancer. In the hospital, I saw these people by themselves, I could see the fear, my goal was to get in there and motivate patients so that they wanted to jump out of their chemo bed and start swinging at this thing.

My name is Jonny Imerman. I`m a two-time testicular cancer survivor. And I created and organization to make sure that people that are diagnosed with cancer able to reach a survivor.

Listen to your body, it will tell you what you need to do.

It started with just a few survivors sharing one to one with somebody diagnosed with the exact same cancer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At 29-year-old, helping the young adult. Cancer is not a part of our language. I`m really very happy that we have this community that Johnny has built.

IMERMAN: We have helped people in over 60 countries. We matched over 8,000 totals to perfection.

It`s a brotherhood and a sisterhood, and that`s for sure. We help people of all ages, care givers, spouses, we help the parents to get hooked up with other parents, and we just get a ton of young adults. We share stories, we listen, we learn.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was 30 years old when I was diagnosed and I wanted to make it until my son was at least five and I`m here today.

IMERMAN: Was with each other.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s the kind of information that you need to hear from someone who through it. There is really no other way.

IMERMAN: I don`t really need to count the days I have cancer because every day is a good day, like you`re happy you got out of bed this morning, life`s amazing.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Julie asked about the husband and said, oh, yes, they are trying to accuse me of murder, you know. And I just thought what kind of attitude is that? Oh, yes, they took some clothes. They took this, they took that. You know my computer, my cell phone this and I just said well, you know, they have to take that kind of stuff if they suspect something, you know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But she was just very defensive?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The original radio call, the one that she put out was that he must have fallen down the stairs. And like I said, the evidence at the scene didn`t necessarily match that as closely as it could have, that`s why we started an investigation. At the location, we recovered a lot of evidence. We put together what we believe the murder scene to be involved and other objects that may have caused his demise that day.

Like I said, the story of him falling down the stairs although, it may have occurred, it just didn`t fit the evidence at the scene.

The L.A. county district attorney`s office issued an arrest warrant for murder. The stuff that we learned from other people and that sort of stuff led us to believe that there might have been some sort of argument at the location.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls, death by coffee mug?

An elite tennis star now suspected in the murder of her husband. Matt Zarrell, the stories change drastically from all fall down the stairs, a heart attack, to a violent confrontation in the bedroom. But what about having the rugs cleaned? What can you tell me about that?

ZARRELL: OK, Nancy. Neighbors reportedly say that the wife had the rugs cleaned soon after the death. Two different neighbors say that Goodman called the cleaning crew to deal with the carpets and actually, that she didn`t act upset at all while she was doing this. Now, what police asked in their follow-up warrant, they were reportedly on the hunt for things, including receipts to cleaning companies.

GRACE: To Doctor Bethany Marshall and also unleash the lawyers, Grillo, Cohen, McKeithen, what you don`t want to do is have your carpets cleaned. I just love it when people clean their carpets.

MARSHALL: You know what tells me, Nancy, she was thinking about killing him for a long, long time because when somebody wants to kill somebody, as opposed to like a temporary snapping or crime of passion, they are enormously relieved when that other person is gone.

And that`s what we see in her behavior. She was happy. She was cleaning up her house, re-inhabiting it, griping to the neighbors. She didn`t think she had done anything wrong. She was just happy to be rid of him.

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GRACE: Tonight, a special thank you to everyone at "drop dead diva." I will be making another guest appearance on the Lifetime show this Sunday, 9:00 Eastern.

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GRACE: Does the right to privacy truly exist in today`s celebrity culture? Let`s unleash the lawyers. To my right, the man who took on big tobacco, big oil, big insurance, the Lawrence Brandt.

LAWRENCE BRANDT, LAWYER: Always nice to be here, Nancy.

GRACE: And also with us, a guest that`s new to the program, Joan Bingham.

JANE BINGHAM, ATTORNEY: It`s Jane.

GRACE: Jane. Joan. Whatever. More than ever, celebrities are whining their privacy is being violated. Today`s big question, do celebs really have the right to gripe?

BINGHAM: Well, I believe that everyone in society is entitled to --

BRANDT: Once in the public eye, you can`t ask the public go blind.

BINGHAM: Right. But the rights --

BRANDT: Celebrities can`t have their star-studded cake and eat it, too.

GRACE: Don`t have to raise your hand.

BINGHAM: Well, clearly, I do I think we can all agree that photographing Naomi Campbell when she is leaving rehab is a violation of --

BRANDT: Stop right there.

BINGHAM: Excuse me?

BRANDT: Your premise, we can agree? It`s presumptuous.

BINGHAM: Let me tell you something, Larry.

BRANDT: I believe these celebrities erase the line between public and private with every tweet, facebook post and sex tape they release.

GRACE: Joan, response?

BRANDT: Not much of a response.

BINGHAM: Oh, no, yes, I do have a response. In Bernard V, Iowa board of education, you successfully argued that the school had no right to search students` lockers because, and I quote, "a democratic society requires that privacy be a concrete right, not a flexible one." Oh, my goodness.

BRANDT: She`s right.

GRACE: What? I did just hear Lawrence Brandt concede a point? But frankly, I don`t recall that case. I think the both of are you making it up.

BINGHAM: It was squeezed between Mr. Brandt`s asbestos class action and product liability against the baby food company.

BRANDT: Mr. Bingham, seems I know more about me than my ex-wife.

BINGHAM: Linda Brandt, that woman you met as a young law student at Harvard. Oh, my goodness. Oh, I`m so sorry. I`m so sorry.

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GRACE: Let`s stop and remember marine corporal Matthew Lemke, 22, Oregon, served, Iraq, lost his life, Bethesda Naval hospital, family by his side. Third tour. Purple Heart. Navy and Marine Corps achievement medal, combat action. A veteran of foreign wars hall named in his honor. Leaves behind parents dale and Claudia, sister Carolyn.

Matthew Lemke, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us, a special good night from the New York control room.

And Liz is back. There`s Brett, Rosie, Dana and that`s just the front deck.

Jane Velez up next, everyone. I will see you tomorrow night you 8:00 sharp Eastern.

And until then, good night, friend.

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