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NANCY GRACE

Parents Not Ruled Out in Celis Disappearance; New Phase in the Search of 6-Year-Old Isabel Celis; Missing Teen Sierra Lamar`s Mother Says She Won`t Give Up Search For Her Daughter

Aired May 22, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Tucson. A parent`s worst nightmare, Mommy and Daddy tuck 6-year-old Isabel into bed. 8:00 AM, she`s gone. She usually sleeps with her two brothers, but not that night. After a third search at the home and then a landfill, police seize fabric and pillows from the family car. Then a stunning reveal from Tucson police that the parents have, quote, "no sense of urgency."

Mommy, Daddy and one brother back at the home with police to re-create the crime. Mommy and Daddy both take polygraphs, but won`t say if they passed. A secret home security camera trained on the path to Isabel`s window, but it wasn`t working that night.

And in a major twist, Isabel`s father now banned from any and all contact with the two remaining young sons, Isabel`s brothers, Mommy and Daddy now living separately.

We obtain 911 calls that show a stunning contrast between Mommy and Daddy. On with 911, Daddy is calm, cool, even chuckling just moments after he discovers his 6-year-old girl is gone. Mommy, on the other hand, hysterical. And tonight, major development, we learn child services in the home just before Isabel disappears.

Bombshell tonight. At this hour, family and sex offenders ruled out - - some family, not the parents. Isabel`s own mother defends Daddy as police begging neighbors to be their eyes and ears. And tonight, has Daddy lawyered up?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BECKY CELIS, ISABEL`S MOTHER: My husband loves those boys, loves my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a parent`s worst nightmare.

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL`S FATHER: I want to report a missing person, my little girl. I believe she was abducted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) the house. The window was found open and the screen was outside on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We haven`t ruled anything out. We have not ruled anyone out.

911 OPERATOR: So who noticed her gone?

BECKY CELIS: My husband.

A great father to the boys and to Isabel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police are not pointing fingers. They`re not naming him a suspect.

SERGIO CELIS: We want you back. We`re looking for you. We will not stop looking for you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now her mother is speaking out, defending her husband.

BECKY CELIS: My husband`s a great father.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) good time (ph) (INAUDIBLE)

SERGIO CELIS: We`re not allowed to speak about that, and we`re not allowed to answer specifics on those type of investigative questions.

BECKY CELIS: At the end of the day, when Isabel comes home, everybody`s questions will be answered.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still no sign of Isabel.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And in another bombshell, breaking news, San Jose area. A 15- year-old cheerleader set to leave for school that morning never makes it to the bus stop, never seen again, cell phone thrown into a field, favorite little Juicy couture bag abandoned with favorite top neatly folded inside, 15-year-old Sierra grabbed in the sliver of time between Mommy leaving for work that morning and her getting to the bus stop.

Breaking now. An arrest goes down.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking developments in the disappearance of 15- year-old cheerleader Sierra LaMar.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detectives took 21-year-old Antolin Garcia-Torres to the county main jail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As the person responsible for the kidnap and murder of Sierra LaMar.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why police have this 21-year-old behind bars right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her property and the bag, we found DNA from Antolin Garcia-Torres.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seized his car, matching a red Volkswagen Jetta spotted on surveillance cameras on the morning of LaMar`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Been looking at him for quite a while now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: High school cheerleader vanished on her way to school.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detectives questioned Garcia for two hours about the missing teenager, trying to find out her location.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lead us to Sierra, say where she is and end this nightmare for us as a family.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. At this hour, some family and sex offenders ruled out, but not the parents. Isabel`s own mother defending Daddy as police are begging neighbors to be their eyes and ears. And tonight, has Daddy lawyered up?

We are taking your calls, but before I go to the calls, I want to go to Paul Birmingham, news director KNST. Paul, thank you for being with us. What`s this business about -- has Daddy got a lawyer, a defense lawyer?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, KNST (via telephone): Right now, police are not saying whether or not, in fact, Sergio Celis has, in fact, gotten a lawyer, whether that`s a defense lawyer or anything along those lines. They are not certain about that. It would be interesting and I think add a new twist to this case because he`s not been charged with anything at this point. Nobody has.

GRACE: Well, Paul Birmingham, no offense -- Paul joining me from KNST -- but the fact that police aren`t saying, that`s a little bit a waste of my time because police aren`t saying anything about anything. But reports are that the daddy has been seeking out defense lawyers. Now, very often, we hear police say when we ask them a question, I don`t know anything about that. Other times, they`ll say something like, We cannot confirm that, which means they know about it, but they`re not going to comment on it.

Which one of those tacks did police take on Daddy getting a defense lawyer?

BIRMINGHAM: It was the, We don`t know, you`d have to ask him if he has a lawyer, type tack. And so much so with the information that they`re not being -- that they`re not releasing at this point, that they have called off the regularly scheduled press briefings in this case.

They say now, If something comes out, we`ll let you know. We`ll send an e-mail. We`ll send a press release. But as far as the knowing when the press briefings are going to happen, that`s ended because they say the information they have is so sensitive that it`s not going to be publicly shared. So there`s a lot they know that they`re not revealing at this point.

GRACE: You know, it was asked just a couple of hours ago at a press conference to the sheriff about the father and whether he had gotten a lawyer. Joining me, Paul Birmingham, KNST, there live in Tucson.

Ellie Jostad, what do we know?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, the question came up in this last police briefing, and the sheriff -- or rather, Lieutenant Pacheco (ph) said, We don`t know. And then he went on to say, We have had cooperation from the family up to this point and we certainly hope that continues.

GRACE: OK, so bottom line, we did not get an answer.

JOSTAD: Correct.

GRACE: We are also hearing -- out to you, Greg Overzat, who`s been on the scene pretty much from the get-go. Greg Overzat, I`m also hearing that parents (SIC) are coming out and stating they have ruled out various sex offenders -- that`s a pretty tall order to rule out a sex offender living in the neighborhood -- and that they`ve ruled out some family members but refuse to say whether Mommy and Daddy have been ruled out.

What about it, Overzat?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. It is a very tall hard to say that they`re ruling out sex offenders. There are approximately 540 within the area, and police are now saying that they are, for the most part, clear. They`re following up with about 257 of them, just circling back to a follow-up, and they haven`t ruled out as suspects.

And they also said that some of the family has been, but they are not saying the parents are simply because they`re not ruling out any and all possibilities in this case.

GRACE: To Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. We noticed at the vigil the other night, Mommy was defending Daddy, while Daddy -- let`s see that footage, please -- Daddy was in a distance looking over a fence at everything that was going on.

What were her words to defend the father?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: This is the first time that she has spoken out since the child protective services has come to this agreement with the dad that he cannot see the little boys. And she said he`s a wonderful father, he`s a wonderful husband and that he loves his children. She said it separately -- he loves the boys, and he loves little missing Isabel. So this is her first speaking out and defending him.

But you`re right. He was not allowed to come to this press conference because -- or to the vigil because he`s not allowed to see the little boys. He`s not allowed to have contact with them. And one of them wanted to go. So he had to peek over the side. I guess he knew that this was the certain amount of distance that he had to stay from them.

GRACE: This is the first time that the mother, Rebecca or Becky Celis, has spoken out without her husband standing right there with her.

As a matter of fact, we`re going to take a look back. As a matter of fact, every other time, they`ve been sitting together. Before she will even speak, she turns and looks at him, and either she doesn`t speak or she kind of gets guidance from him before she speaks.

Let`s bring in Aaron Brehove, body language expert, renowned in his field, joining me out of D.C., along with Susan Constantine, body language expert, nonverbal communications specialty, out of Orlando.

Aaron and Susan, let`s all three take a look at what Becky Celis had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BECKY CELIS: My husband is a great father. The kids -- the -- my husband loves those boys, loves my daughter, is a great husband, a great -- a great husband -- a great father to the boys and to Isabel. And you know, at the end of the day, when Isabel comes home, everybody`s answers -- or everybody`s questions will be answered.

We don`t have anything to hide, so...

SERGIO CELIS: Nothing.

BECKY CELIS: ... go for it. Say what you want to say. But in the end, we are confident we had nothing to do with it and -- and go ahead. Go for it. And the people who know us, who -- who have known us as a -- as a family know us and know that we have nothing to do with this.

And for everybody else, you know, people accuse as much as they want. Go for it. Go right ahead. We are strong enough to take it, and there`s nothing that you`re going to find on us. And go for it.

And at the end of the day, Isabel will be home and we`ll know who did this. And that`s all I`m waiting for.

We just wanted to let you guys know we have tremendous gratitude toward Detective Sabori (ph) and his elite team, our community and the Little League community and the TMC (ph) family crew and the millions of people around the world who continue to pray and volunteer their time and efforts (INAUDIBLE) efforts in finding Isabel!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to you first, Aaron Brehove. Let`s focus first on what she said the other night. This is just in the last hours, where she was at a vigil and she was speaking. Her husband was very apparent. He was looking over a fence at the vigil, as he is now banned from any and all contact with the two younger sons. So he was within eyeshot and most likely earshot.

What is your analysis, first, Aaron, of her comments defending the father?

AARON BREHOVE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, she first refers to her boys as "those boys," a little bit of distancing language, a little bit odd to see that she isn`t thinking so closely about her boys that (INAUDIBLE) our boys, or use the language that would be more bringing them together.

But it`s -- she does defend her husband very well, and she actually goes back and corrects herself a few times, which is something we typically don`t see with people that are very deceptive. They don`t want to correct themselves. So that is actually as -- some people may see that as a negative thing. Actually, it does give her a little bit of more genuine attitude. Does bring you a little bit closer to her that she does want to give the clear picture of what she wants to say.

GRACE: You know, all along -- to you, Susan Constantine, joining us out of Orlando -- the mother has seemed to be, to me, very forthcoming. But I did notice that the bulk of her comments were about defending the husband, not as much about bringing Isabel home.

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Yes, it reminds me of that song "Stand by Your Man," Nancy. And what I noticed when I looked at the tape -- and Aaron, you`re right on point -- at a point 43 seconds to 50 seconds, when she`s talking about, you know, I know from my heart that she is -- you know, that she`s out there, it`s just taking a little bit longer -- what you`ll notice is that she has a very quick little micro-expression of self-doubt in her mouth at the same time that she has these very large shoulder shrugs, nothing the micro ones that we would find in deception.

So overall, what I saw is that the words that she was speaking and the level of confidence that she was using in her words, that her body language betrayed that, that she didn`t feel quite so confident that they were quite on top of things here.

GRACE: A lot of developments as we go to air tonight in the search for little Isabel Celis. Number one, police say they have eliminated some family members, but not ruling out the parents.

Out to you, Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. I want to hear your opinion.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, the whole idea -- when she says that everybody`s questions will be answered, almost seems like she`s got -- they`re holding back secrets that we`re going to have to discover.

But listen, law enforcement is going to continue to look at the family members because, number one, that`s where statistics take you. Number two, the last person to see the little girl was the father.

Number three, he has been removed from his other boys by CPS. And it makes it very difficult. And number four, the fact that he`s been so reluctant to talk to the press over this whole time. He`s been marginalized and really isolated from everybody else. And I think that he probably should lawyer up at this point.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Little Isabel, 6 years old and abducted.

BECKY CELIS: It`s tough because we`re already under a lot of stress because we don`t have Isabel here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother did not see Isabel before she went to work.

911 OPERATOR: How tall is she?

SERGIO CELIS: She is 5-2.

911 OPERATOR: No, I`m sorry, your daughter.

SERGIO CELIS: Oh, my daughter.

(INAUDIBLE) Isabel, protecting my boys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The father has been banned from seeing their other children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isabel`s mother has made it clear she stands by her man.

BECKY CELIS: My husband`s a great father. The kids -- the -- my husband loves those boys, loves my daughter.

SERGIO CELIS: Tell us your demands. Tell us what you want.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Still talking about an abduction, inner circle, out of the family.

BECKY CELIS: End of the day, when Isabel comes home, everybody`s questions will be answered.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Straight back out to Tucson, standing by, Paul Birmingham, KNST. Paul very, very telling that the police say they have eliminated sex predators, certain sex predators, and certain family members, but not the mother and daddy.

We also learn police are insisting they have told the parents to cooperate and work with the media, the parents still telling the story that, Police won`t let us talk. We can`t tell you if we passed a polygraph.

First, I want to go to the sex predators. Is it true, Paul Birmingham, KNST, that police are now focusing on sex predators whose victims have been 10 years old or younger? What do you know, Paul?

BIRMINGHAM: That`s right. They have about 250-plus level two and level three sex offenders who have that proclivity to be involved with kids aged 10 and younger. As far as the family, they have said they have eliminated some of them as suspects, but again, very telling that they are at this point saying they have not eliminated the parents as potential suspects.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Randy in Washington. Hi, Randy. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As a mom, why would you defend your husband while your child is missing when we are put on this earth to defend our children?

GRACE: You know, Leslie Austin, psychotherapist, New York, let`s address what Randy says. I`ve never had a case where the mom did not stand behind husband, boyfriend, lover, live-in.

LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right. Well, the wife is -- the wife is part of the system. If it`s a strong marriage, a strong family, she`s going to defend him until proven otherwise. There`s a disbelief there.

GRACE: Well, also, I think that it touches on the mother`s own judgment.

AUSTIN: Yes. Women often bond with the husband over the children, unfortunately, where they should be protecting their children.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We indicated that we have external component to this investigation -- certainly looking at continuing to investigate the stranger abduction possibility in this -- and also internal, looking at the possibility that this is extended family or family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Within 10 minutes, 911 was called.

SERGIO CELIS: I even was in the living room watching the Diamondbacks game at midnight, and I fell asleep.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tucson Police Department said, and I quote, "I don`t get the feeling that they have the sense of urgency."

SERGIO CELIS: I never heard anything weird. So I was, like, just on the other side of the wall from her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Law enforcement sources tell NBC News that Sergio`s statements about the night Isabel disappeared have been, quote, "inconsistent."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: This on top of learning police refuse to say they have ruled the parents out in the hunt for little Isabel. This as they do say they`ve ruled out certain sex offenders, as well as certain family members.

Also, Ellie Jostad, they are begging the neighbors to be their eyes and ears. Explain, Ellie.

JOSTAD: Right, Nancy. They are making a renewed effort to go out and ask all these neighbors -- they`re actually giving them a questionnaire that has questions like, Did you see any strange vehicles in the neighborhood? Do you have surveillance cameras on your home? Do you know if any of your neighbors do? Did you see any delivery people, construction workers, anything out of the ordinary in the neighborhood?

GRACE: What do you know about it, Paul Birmingham? I`ve got the questionnaire right here in my hand -- Did you observe anything that struck you unusual, out of place, out of ordinary? Were there delivery people or solicitors in the two weeks before or since the incident, construction in your area, yard sales, parties, large gatherings, unusual vehicles or vehicles you didn`t recognize? Do you have surveillance cameras in your home or around your home? Do you know of any neighbors that have surveillance cameras in use?

Well, I, for one, Paul Birmingham, have my place security surveilled up the ying-yang (SIC) -- you know, the street, the driveways, everything. So I imagine other people do, too, Paul.

Why are they resorting to this questionnaire? They are telling neighbors, If you get this questionnaire in your mailbox, we want to talk to you.

BIRMINGHAM: Right. There were about 30 homes that they weren`t able to make contact with, and also homes that they felt they were able to get some information from the so-called lead sheets.

So they are hopeful that somebody may have not been home or perhaps just not had the time to fill out the questionnaire, now that we`re a month-plus into this case, that they`ll now re sort of trace (SIC) their steps and see maybe there was something that they didn`t think about early on as this time has elapsed.

That would be strange, given the fact that, usually, memories fade. But again, they`re just hopeful for anything. They say that this is not a case where they -- it`s a cold case. They say they`re still pursuing these possible leads. So at this point, they say they are not back to square one, even though these are questions that presumably would have been asked very early on in the investigation.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NANCY GRACE, HOST, NANCY GRACE: A new phase in the search for 6-year-old Isabel Celis. We are taking your calls, out to Kelly in Arkansas.

Hi, Kelly, what`s your question?

KELLY, CALLER FROM ARKANSAS: Yes. You know this phase is what bothers me from the get-go, especially with the father.

He`s just really calm, cool and collected and what I`ve learnt too -- especially with different cultures and stuff like that, the teens like their mom, you know she is defending the father, which is fine.

I understand that, but it seems like, you know, he still has too much of a hold within the household.

So my question is, has CPS thought about perhaps throwing in another element of perhaps removing the two sons from the home element to give the chance to where -- that maybe something else will come forward.

Because it seems like when everybody is together there`s a unity and if they leave a few different element in and try to break him up, and there`s something in the cracks because I believe the answer is within those four walls.

Because there should have been evidence and stuff now that -- you know that they`ve processed that would have led them somewhere else.

GRACE: Let`s answer Kelly in Arkansas question. About what she says the dad was calm, cool and collected, take a listen to this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The screen was on the ground outside?

SERGIO CELIS, FATHER, ISABEL CELIS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s your address? What`s your name, sir?

CELIS: My name is Sergio, middle initial D. Last name is C-e-l-i-s.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: S as in Sam?

CELIS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, what`s her name?

CELIS: Isabel, I-s-b-e-l -- I-s-a-b-e-l. M as in man is the middle initial.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, same last name?

CELIS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, what`s her actual birth date? OK, is mom there, also?

CELIS: Yeah, she had just left for work, I just called her and I told her to get her butt home.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REBECCA CELIS, MOTHER, ISABEL CELIS: He`s a great father. The kids -- my husband loves those boys, loves my daughter, he`s a great husband, a great -- a great --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Sue Moss, New York, Daniel Horowitz, (INAUDIBLE) Defense Attorney San Francisco, Hugo Rodriguez, Defense Attorney, former Fed with the FBI. All right, Sue Moss, weigh in.

SUSAN MOSS, LAWYER, CHEMTOB MOSS FORMAN & TALBERT LLP: Dad can`t see his two boys yet he makes no legal noise? That speaks volumes. He just lost his daughter, now the authorities have made him come to this deal where he can`t see his boys.

One would think if he had nothing to hide, he would be in court immediately against CPS or ACS or whatever they call it in that jurisdiction, and he would demand to see his children.

Maybe he`s afraid that a hearing on that issue might produce something that he doesn`t want the police or the public to know.

GRACE: Daniel Horowitz, do you think any court to make these voluntarily, leave my twins? Over my dead, cold body, holding a knife and gun.

DANIEL HOROWITZ, LAWYER: Well Nancy, they`re basically trying to kill this man in the media. The police are working the system --

GRACE: I`m not trying to kill him. I want him to live, so he could get more facts.

HOROWITZ: Right. But the facts are that nobody has any evidence he did anything wrong. People don`t like --

GRACE: It`s not what I asked you.

HOROWITZ: The way he made the phone call and says sex offenders --

GRACE: Not what I asked you.

HOROWITZ: That phone call means nothing but you just played it --

GRACE: That`s not what I asked you.

HOROWITZ: And made him look like he didn`t care. I`m telling you that you`re setting him up --

GRACE: All right, one more time.

HOROWITZ: Along with the police.

GRACE: Strike three. Can you please answer the question? Why is he voluntarily going along as Sue pointed out with a court telling him to stay away?

This the CPS telling him, it`s not even a court telling him. You don`t have to do what CPS says.

HOROWITZ: Why don`t you get your viewers, give them a $100,000 to hire a top attorney and maybe then he can fight back. What resources does this poor fellow have to fight, the media, the police and all these investigators, he`s got nothing, he can --

GRACE: Hold on.

HOROWITZ: Barely hold on.

GRACE: Hold on. Legal thought, Hugo Rodriguez --

HUGO RODRIGUEZ, LAWYER: This is unusual that --

GRACE: Just step away, let me ask you a question. If police or CPS tell you, you can`t see your children, it would be a cold day in h-e-l-l when a cop --

RODRIGUEZ: And they would be ripping --

GRACE: When a cop could tell me --

RODRIGUEZ: I will be ripping the door --

GRACE: To stay away from my children.

HOROWITZ: Right.

GRACE: You got to have a court order, but he is doing it. Why is he doing it? Sue brought up a good point, think about it. Think, people. This is not a court order, why is he doing it?

RODRIGUEZ: I will be ripping the door down from the courthouse because that`s just me. But I have to agree with John, I believe that he has sought some counsel and he has taken a different approach. I don`t appreciate it, but that`s the approach he`s taken.

GRACE: You know what, you and Daniel Horowitz may have a valid point on that. I`m not fighting you, I`m just saying, I agree with Sue that it doesn`t make sense to me.

We are taking your calls. I want to go right back out to Paul Birmingham, KNST.

Paul, a lot happening in the last hours, I`m trying to wade through here.

Number one, are police back at square one? They`re going back to the neighbors with this questionnaire I`ve got right here in my hand asking the neighbors to be the eyes and the ears for them.

They`re rehashing right now, the father is out of the home. At the vigil we see him peering over a fence because his son chose to attend the vigil.

The mom spends most of her time defending daddy. This as police say they have eliminated sex predators in the area but not mommy and daddy. I mean, do you get a sense there`s something unbalanced with that?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, JOURNALIST, KNST: I do and my sense is that police are probably, as strange as it may sound, probably about 90 percent there in the investigation and they don`t want to screw it up.

They don`t want to do something inappropriate or that would lead a defense attorney to have something that they could then use at trial. I know that`s a long way off but that`s just my sense.

Police do not feel that they`re at square one, they just want to make sure that they leave no stone unturned in the investigation.

GRACE: Out to the lines is Georgina, California. Hi, Georgina. What`s your question?

GEORGINA, CALLER, CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy. I just wanted to say -- it`s more of a comment. I see right through Sergio Celis. He is fake. His stories don`t add up since I first heard about this on your show. I mean, it`s just one lie after another.

This family is full of secrets and everything is going to come out and when it does, I just hope that Isabel is home safe or she`s with somebody who`s safe because this family is just full of secrets.

GRACE: OK, Steve Moore, formerly felony, FBI violent crime investigator. Steve, what do you make of it? Were you ever stationed in the Tucson area?

STEVE MOORE, FORMER CRIME INVESTIGATOR, FEDERAL BEREAU OF INVESTIGATION: I`ve worked in the Tucson area --

GRACE: Yeah, what do you make of all this?

MOORE: I`ve done a lot of great investigations.

MOORE: I think that your newscaster was correct. I think the police have a lot of scrabble tiles they`re not sharing with us. Mr. Horowitz says, well, they don`t have evidence. Well, yeah, they do, or they wouldn`t be doing these things.

I think the fact that the husband is not contesting the stay-away order indicates that he probably doesn`t want to contest it because he wouldn`t want the scrutiny.

That -- I`ve used that several times on people. I`ve said, listen, you can do it this way or I can do it that way.

I think he`s between a rock and a hard place right now.

GRACE: OK, explain to me one more time.

MOORE: Well, if you have somebody that you think is good for one crime and you have something else on him on another crime, you can use the first crime or the second crime as a wedge to get him to behave a certain way in an investigation on another one.

So if he is -- if he`s got CPS on him and he knows that by defending himself in front of CPS, he`s going to give away things that would incriminate him on a disappearance.

GRACE: Yeah.

MOORE: He`s going to shut up about the CPS stuff.

GRACE: Got it, got it.

Back to the lines, Tiffany, Arizona. Hi, Tiffany, what`s your question, dear?

TIFFANY, CALLER, ARIZONA: Hi, Nancy. First of all, Nancy Grace for president. And my question is, I drove by the Celis home on Friday.

And just as a newcomer coming into this neighborhood and looking, if I am a criminal, why would I pick the most complicated house to go into and steal a child from?

This house in this neighborhood is one of the only houses that has that layered wall around it.

GRACE: You know what --

TIFFANY: Why would you choose the most complicated house?

GRACE: You`re right, Tiffany.

And liz, let`s pull up that video of Greg Overzat there about to jump over the wall. He couldn`t quite make it. Let me get that video, I`ve got Greg with me.

But Leslie Austin, I hear what Tiffany is saying and I agree with her, on the other hand if a predator has his eye on a certain girl, i.e. Elizabeth Smart, Danielle Van Dam, they`ll get in the home.

Look at this wall, people. Go ahead, Leslie.

LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right, and if there`s a wall, then he might have even thought it might be protective and it wouldn`t be seen. Look, there`s a real smelly issue here, there`s smoke and there`s going to be fire.

If CPS asked the husband to stay away, they know something somewhere. We have to back up to square one.

So if the predator wanted to get in, we don`t know if he was involved with the father or not. He might have seen that wall as protective. It doesn`t matter that it`s a complicated house.

GRACE: Greg Overzat, to you, tell me about the wall?

GREG OVERZAT, JOURNALIST: Well, Nancy, as you`ve seen from my video with it, it`s a rather tall wall. It`s about 5 feet 8 inches tall. There are several different entry points though.

There was a meter box in the back, a very large trash can, but this is not the easiest wall to get over. It`s a concrete -- it seems way too complicated for a simple abduction.

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GRACE: A break, an arrest goes down in the search for 15-year-old Sierra Lamar. Take a look at this girl, we had hope for a break in the case and it came. After we learnt police were trying to find a red VW Jetta and now an arrest.

A 21-year-old man in custody, linked to the kidnapping and murder of the missing 15-year-old girl. It`s all based on DNA, found in her bag. That little juicy couture bag, I kept showing you.

Straight out to Henry .K. Lee, reporter with the "San Francisco Chronicle". What do we know Henry?

HENRY LEE, REPORTER, SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE: Well breaking news indeed Nancy. Mr. Antolin Garcia-Torres, 21 years old, is a complete stranger to Sierra Lamar who the police believe is unfortunately killed and murdered.

We do not know where her body sure is at this time and her mom is asking the suspect please give us information so we can bring Sierra home.

GRACE: The mom has joined us on many occasions in the search for her little girl, Sierra. Also with us Vivian Ho, reporter, "San Francisco Chronicle" . Why are they so sure that the little girl is dead Vivian?

VIVIAN HO, REPORTER, SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE: They`re saying that there`s a lot of forensic evidence leading to the believe that she`s dead. But unfortunately -- you know the family doesn`t quite believe that she is dead.

A lot of her friends and family are taking to twitter, taking to facebook, saying please keep hope alive.

Please keep looking for her, it`s not over until we find her.

GRACE: To Matt Zarrell, our producer of the story, what do we know about this guy, Antolin Garcia-Torres?

MATT ZARRELL, PRODUCER, NANCY GRACE: OK, well, the reason that they were able to link him so quickly is his information is in CODA, which is the VNA database.

He has a prior arrest for police interference and when they ran the DNA of the items found in the purse it immediately linked to him. Now they were actually able to link this Nancy, about six weeks ago.

They have been surveilling him 24 hours a day hoping that he would lead them to the body, unfortunately he has not yet.

GRACE: Or he`s gone back and forth by it, the way Scott Peterson used to go out and look at San Francisco bay and we don`t know it yet.

Straight out to Keith Lamar, special guest joining us. This is little Sierra`s cousin. Keith, what is the family`s reaction to the arrest of Garcia-Torres?

KEITH LAMAR, COUSIN, SIERRA LAMAR: Hi, Nancy. I`d say confusion would be the best word to describe it right now. We`ve got an arrest and we`ve got a statement from the Sheriff that Sierra is no longer alive, but we don`t have a body.

GRACE: So the confusion is that the family believes Sierra may still be alive somewhere.

LAMAR: I suppose so. For a Sheriff to make a statement like you know Sierra is no longer alive, that`s pretty bold. And I just don`t know -- I mean, perhaps it`s because I`m a cousin, so I`m outside of the immediate circle, or they just -- I mean I don`t know.

That`s where the confusion lies. Why are they saying that she`s dead?

GRACE: To Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining us from Philadelphia. What about it, Bill?

DR. BILL MANION, MEDICAL EXAMINER: Well, if they found blood or her hair in the car, if they found a significant amount of blood, they may feel that she`s been hurt badly and bled out some.

I`m also wondering if they found -- when they say his DNA on the clothing, I wonder if they found the semen or saliva. They must have found something significant to link him up.

GRACE: Marc Klaas, when we refer to CODA, how they linked him up to the DNA found in the juicy couture pocketbook, do you know what we`re referring to? Please explain.

MARC KLASS, CHILD ADVOCATE: Well, what I know is that he was arrested for a felony assault some years back, and that enabled them under California law to collect his DNA, and they were able to match that up with whatever items of DNA were found in the juicy couture bag.

Nancy, they`ve had this guy under surveillance since the 28th of March. They`ve had the vehicle in their possession since the 7th of April.

They`ve been conducting tests on it, they don`t have all of those results back but they`re able to put him with Sierra, in her bag and with Sierra in the car.

So it looks like they`ve got a pretty tight case at this point. The only thing that`s missing is Sierra`s body. And I can tell you that her parents and her sister will never give up hope until it`s proven one way or the other.

So they need Sierra`s remains before they will be completely convinced that she is no longer alive.

GRACE: Henry .K. Lee, how is Sierra`s mother?

LEE: Well, she made a tearful plea at this news conference, Nancy, saying we will not give up hope and the statement to the suspect killer, "Please, tell us any information you have that will lead us to Sierra".

So whether or not Sierra is alive or dead, they want to know where she is so that they can bring her home, Nancy.

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MARLENE LAMAR, MOTHER, MISSING TEEN: I do have a plea to the perpetrator to please, please give the information that you can have -- that you have to lead us to Sierra, to help end this nightmare. I would like you to come forward.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is Sierra`s mother begging for the end to the hell the family has been in since their daughter went missing. Now we believe kidnapped by a complete stranger. As everyone is -- we go to break.

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GRACE: Breaking news in the search for 15-year-old Sierra Lamar.

Unleash the lawyers. Sue Moss, Hugo Rodriguez, Daniel Horowitz. Horowitz, what`s your advice tonight to Garcia-Torres?

HOROWITZ: Well if he`s guilty, he should get an attorney and make a deal right away. The deal should be a very reduced plea to maybe a manslaughter like they offered Hans Reiser, rather than face the death penalty.

In cases with the missing body, when the family is so distraught, a lot of bargaining can be done early.

GRACE: Rodriguez?

RODRIGUEZ: I agree, whether he`s guilty or not, he needs to get himself a lawyer. Obviously they`ve surveilled him, they were waiting to see if he took them to the body, obviously he didn`t. He needs somebody on his behalf in there if he plans to mitigate this at all.

GRACE: Sue Moss, would you cut a deal?

MOSS: No. Leaving your DNA in a bag is like leaving an identification tag. No deal, they`ll convict him.

GRACE: Well put in Marc Klaas --

RODRIGUEZ: They didn`t have the body.

GRACE: I`d like to hear your analysis.

KLASS: Well you know they will convict him and that`s why it`s important for people to continue to volunteer to search for this little girl so that we can find her body.

With law enforcement, so that we can find her body so that that deal is no longer on the table and this guy can go to the death house where he absolutely belongs.

GRACE: Yeah, one stop before, hell.

KLASS: Yeah.

GRACE: Let`s stop and remember army captain Rob Yllescas, 31, Lincoln Nebraska killed in Afghanistan. Two bronze stars, purple heart army commendation, army achievement.

Loved boating, wakeboarding, favorite team, Cornhuskers. Leaves behind parents Barb and Otto, brother, Chris, sisters, Jenny and Natalie. Widow, Dina. Daughters, Julia and Eva. Rob Yllescas, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us and everyone, the stroller brigade. Hundreds of moms, nurses, cancer survivors take on Capitol Hill to protect children from toxic chemicals.

Please help. Go to saferchemicals.org and demand your senators and reps get off their thumb and join the fight.

Happy birthday to one of our stars, Norm. Father of three, he loves the Yankees and his mother`s curry chicken.

Stay tuned for Dr. Drew coming up next.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night.

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